34.
Hans Christoph Zimmerman
39.
Zimmerman
23.
Johannes Caspar "Hans" Zimmermann
59.
Anna DUPLICATE of 104577 Ruchty
27.
Hans Zimmerman Jr.
28.
Christian Zimmerman
71.
Johannes Zimmerman
30.
Peter Zimmerman
NOTE:
Birth info found - but no immigration or death info found in America.
The death date of 1750 Pequea, Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA has been removed. See material and questions below.
BAPTISM: Provided by Larry Zimmerman on
Baptism of Peter Zimmerman
Source: LDS Film 2005787
Steffisburg, Switzerland
Kirchenbuch, Evangelisch-Reformierte Kirche
Image 94/564 ------------------------------------------> See image: RIN 143085 Peter Zimmerman Bap.jpg
Sunday, the 23rd of August 16681 Peter was baptized.
Parents: Hans Zimmerman, Barbli [Barbara] Gilgen zu (?) Guggisperg [Guggisberg]2.
Witnesses: Hans Zaggeler3, Michel Garfner (?) im Goldiwil4 [?], Lucia Bächer.
Notes:
1. August 23, 1668 was a Sunday on the Julian calendar.
2. Richard Warren Davis spelled the family name of Hans Zimmerman’s wife as Gilgan, but I read it as Gilgen in this and other records for the same couple. Barbli Gilgen named in this record was indentified with “Guggisperg,” which I take to be a reference to Guggisberg, a Gemeinde in the district of Schwarzenburg. (The Amish Hochstettler family originated in Schwarzenburg.) Delbert Gratz included a “Gilg/Gilgen” in his collection of Swiss names, Was Isch Dini Nahme?, and linked the name to Schwarzenburg, Canton Bern. However, no one of that name is found in Gratz’ Bernese Anabaptists. J. Virgil Miller mentioned three persons named Gilgen in Both Sides of the Ocean. Gilgen also was a given name at the time. Joe Staker wrote about a Gilg or Gilgen Stüker/Staker in early 16th century Hilterfingen records, and Joe had a footnote (Part 1, p. 90) about the 8th century Saint Gilgen as the probable source of the given name.
3. The Zaggeler family name of the first witness is not found in Gratz or Miller or any Anabaptist source I have seen. However, there are some genealogical references online: (1) a listing of a Jakob Zaggeler and children from Frutigen, Canton Bern, http://www.frutigergeschlechter.ch/humo-gen/family.php?database=humo_&id=F15970&main_person=I50466, and (2) references to a Salome Zaggeler on RootsWeb (SKAndersonFamilyTree) at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=:2947178&recno=3295. No birthplace is given but she married Ulrich Vogt and had children in Erlenbach im Simmental.
4k. Witness Michel Garfner (?) is named as “im Gold_wyl.” This probably is a reference to the Gemeinde of Goldiwil, which was spelled Goldiwyl in the past. Goldiwil was a separate Gemeinde until it was incorporated into Thun in 1913. Goldiwil, today known as Goldiwil (Thun), lies just to the southeast of Steffisburg and southwest of Homberg. The Steffisburg scribe who wrote this document generally made his letters “i” with a distinct dot, and I do not see that here between “Gold” and “wyl.” Indeed, the letter does not appear to be formed as an “i.” Nevertheless, I think this word likely refers to this witness residing in Goldiwil.
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From: Robert Carpenter
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 3:22 PM
To: John R. Carpenter 2 ; Terry Carpenter ; Bob Carpenter
Cc: John Chandler ; ngibson176@comcast.net
Subject: Re: New DNA Test Results Posted for Kit number 218243 in Group Carpenter Cousins - Group 5
Dear John, Terry, and all,
I thank you for letting me in on the discussions about my book and research! I think I can clear up some of the issues you pose.
First of all, I was incorrect in Carpenters A Plenty that our Zimmermans descended from the Heinrich Z. family of Wattenwil, GROUP 9. All researchers had previously assumed that and failing documentation I also made that assumption. Insert DNA: The DNA test of course proved that the two families are in fact genetically distinct.
Over the past 10 years or maybe longer (? time flies) I have discovered the extensive Zimmerman family in Steffisburg, Canton of Bern. This family village is the location of our Zimmerman family. We are GROUP 5. That is our distinct Zimmerman group. Quite a number of Zimmerman descendants now relate to one another. The problem: Our Zimmermans of Steffisburg were Mennonite and Amish; therefore, they did not get their infants baptized. I have traced numerous Zimmermans from 1590 or so in Steffisburg only to have a gap around 1700. At that time many of these Zimmermans migrated to Alsace. In Alsace a Peter Zimmerman became a fellow preacher with Jakob Ammann and converted to the Amish sect. Which Peter? There are two in Alsace. There were four Hans Zimmermans in Alsace in the 1700-1720 range. Which one is which?
I am copying this to Bob Carpenter of Lompoc, California. He has done a superior job of keeping our Group involved and in following up on the most recent research and information.
Quickly here is what we know: Hans Zimmerman of the 1732 Pink Plaisance is directly related to members of the Zimmerman family of Germana colony in northern Virginia. Early members of that family left Steffisburg and settled in the German States before coming to America. Nicholaus Zimmerman and his two sons, Hans and Christian, arrived in 1733 on the ship Hope. They were from Steffisburg, to Alsace, to America. They also match genetically. Of the North Carolina Zimmermans the following match genetically--Peter, Jacob, Johannes, and Christian. We suspect all are children of Hans of the Pink Plaisance and the DNA seems to indicate that.
Enter Barto Hilton or Helton: Bob notified me of him and the genetic connection. I had been unable to locate him in my book (I think it is too long). I am delighted that you have indicated his ancestry. He apparently was a son of Joshua P. Carpenter; I even wrote in my book that he moved to Asheville but I had no idea he changed his last name. Joshua P. with Barto, Ailey (Alice), Pinckney, and a granddaughter Mamie were living in Burke County in 1880. I lost them there. Joshua P.'s wife was not in that household in 1880.
So I hope I have helped: Carpenters A Plenty Zimmermans are GROUP 5; GROUP 9 is the Wattenwil Zimmermans of Lancaster Co, PA. Everyone in Group 5 are genetically related and most descend from Pink Plaisance, Hope, and Germana immigrants. Let me know if this is too confusing; also, Bob Carpenter, please jump in with your comments.
Let me know if this has helped, Robert Carpenter
Peter Zimmerman was a follower of Jacob Amman in Alsace in 1693. Hewas an Anabaptist living in
Markirch, Alsace in 1703 and 1708. He maybe the father of the Zimmermans who came over in 1732
and 1737. Thiswas as recorded by Richard Davis. The DNA results from EarlZimmerman, FTDNA No.
53199 that match me prove that this Peter Zimmerman was and is the father of Hans Zimmerman
who came to the United States in 1732!
Bob Carpenter writes:
Richard Warren Davis, he is the author of the book, "Emigrants, Refugees and Prisoners - An Aid to Mennonite Family Research". He began his research in 1983 and published his book in 1995. (He met and worked with Robert Baecher in Alsace.) He later upgraded his book with various family reports. In his book, he covers both Peter Zimmermans, the Peter Zimmerman, b. 1668 is shown in his "Family B", and the Peter Zimmerman, b. c1640 is shown in his "Family D". The later one is the Peter who was married to Verena Stahli on 23 Mar 1666 and died in a freak accident in 1697 at Petite Liepvre, Alsace. In addition, he shows Hans Zimmerman, b. 7 Dec 1635 and Barbara Gilgan as the parents of Peter Zimmerman, b. 23 August 1668.
Bob Carpenter writes:
Davis also records in his reconstructed census for 1709 the following: "There is no Mennonite Census for the year 1709, but I have gone through all of my family files and reconstructed a Census" for Markirch (German for Ste. Marie-aux-Mines). Below he shows Peter Zimmerman, b. 1668 and five of his children. However, no wife is shown, which brings up the question, did she die during child birth of Adam? I believe that the Hans Zimmerman shown as being born in 1702 is the same Hans Zimmerman who arrived in Philadelphia on 21 September 1732 at the age of 30. Household 34 (I added this column) Peter Zimmerman, age 41 1709-41 = 1668 wife Niclaus Zimmerman, age 9 1700 Hans Zimmerman, age 7 1702 Peter Zimmerman age 5 1704 Ulrich Zimmerman, age 4 1705 Adam Zimmerman, age new born 1709 Joseph Peter Staker also records a Peter Zimmerman, b. 23 Aug 1668 as an elder with Ammann and as being the son of Hans Zimmerman, b. 7 Dec 1635 in his article "Amish Mennonites in Tazewell County, Illinois - Part One, page 10".
NOTE: No Christian b. abt 1698/1708 listed.
E-MAIL:
From: Larry Zimmerman
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 8:59 PM
To: Robert Carpenter
Cc: Bobby Carpenter ; John R Carpenter ; Richard (Dick) Zimmerman ; john schmeeckle ; John 00 Chandler ; Terry 00 Carpenter
Subject: Re: Untangling the Web
Robert
I appreciate your kind words, but I want to be clear that I did not independently uncover the information about Peter Zimmermann, the one who died on the forest slope near Sainte Marie-aux-Mines/Markirch, and who I wrote about in my book. I relied largely on the published work of Robert Baecher, an independent scholar in France who has done groundbreaking research on Anabaptist history in Alsace and Switzerland. Finding and translating land and tax records in the Alsace and Bern archives is beyond my skills. Anyway, Baecher wrote an article in 1996 for an edited book published by the Association française d'histoire anabaptiste-mennonite. His article, “The Patriarche of Sainte-Marie-aux-Mines,” was subsequently translated into English for the Mennonite Quarterly Review, January 2000. Here is an excerpt:
Yet another hint of Jacob Ammann's discreet presence [at La Petite Lièpvre near Sainte-Marie-aux-Mines] emerged around a tragic accident. Following a fatal accident while working in the fields, the Amish community buried a certain Peter Zimmermann, a man who had been part of the original schism and a companion of Ammann when the group of ministers from the Alsace made their fateful visit to Switzerland in 1693. While working in the woods, a woodcutter had unintentionally felled a large tree, which hit Zimmermann on his side, killing him. Several hours after his death, Zimmermann was buried at the edge of a grove of trees at La Petite Lièpvre. This intrigued the police, who then ordered an autopsy. They found that the body had been simply wrapped in a burial cloth. The people who had gathered for the occasion, including family and friends of the deceased, confirmed in Jacob Ammann's presence that the death had truly been accidental, caused in part by the victim's deafness, which prevented him from hearing the falling tree. Thereupon the woodcutter Hans Weiss was declared innocent of any wrongdoing and the authorities noted that all "had forgiven" his unfortunate mistake. [end of quoted passage]
The original source cited by Baecher indicates that the accident happened in 1697.
Remember too that the Peter Zimmermann who participated in the events of 1693 that precipitated the Amish Division was a minister and purportedly a designated elder in the Amish congregation at that time. The Peter born in 1635 would have been about 58 in 1693, perhaps a decade older than Jakob Ammann. The Peter born in 1668 would have been only 25, very young to be an elder.
Robert Baecher also had an excellent article called “From Steffisburg to Ste. Marie-aux-Mines: The Exodus of Those Who Became Amish” in the January 2004 and April 2004 issues of Mennonite Family History. He had more information about Peter Zimmermann (b. abt. 1635) and his family in that article.
Based on the historical record as analyzed by Baecher, I think we can say with certainty that the Peter Zimmermann who supposedly said, “There you have it,” as the contentious meeting between Ammann’s dissident group and the Swiss Mennonite ministers broke up in discord and who tragically died four years later was the older Peter of the two we have been discussing. The Peter born in 1668 was not the close associate of Ammann. But even if that is the case, it still leaves the possibility that the younger Peter was the father of 1832 American immigrant Hans Zimmerman—and, maybe, the father of Christian Zimmermann of Denzlingen.
Regarding the Niclaus Zimmermann who married Verena Spring, I believe he was born in 1669, the son of Hans and Magdalena Blanck Zimmermann. Hans, Niclaus’ father, was the brother of Peter Zimmermann (b. 1635), according to my notes. Therefore Niclaus was Peters’ nephew.
My book, Ancestral Traces: Zimmerman and Beer Family Journeys From Switzerland to America (ISBN 9781312327245) is available through Lulu Press at lulu.com . I describe it as more than a genealogy because I tried to relate some of the social, political, economic, and religious events of the times in which the families lived, beginning in the 16th century and continuing to modern times. I really wanted to learn more about who my ancestors were and what motivated them to leave their ancient homeland for America. I would be happy to send a complimentary copy of the book to you, Bobby, John Carpenter, or anyone in our small group of cousins exchanging emails—I have already sent copies to Dick Zimmerman and John Schmeeckle. Just send me your mailing address if you are interested.
I did not do the original research on Peter Zimmermann, but I may perhaps brag just a little about some of the research I did for Ancestral Traces, particularly in uncovering a trove of civil records from Saint-Valentin in Indre, France, records that illuminated a previously unknown story of an Amish community there in Central France between about 1827 and 1839, including my Zimmerman ancestors. The Amish families were tenants on large estates owned by General Henri-Gatien Bertrand and other high-ranking associates of Napoleon. It is a fascinating tale. That story is told in some detail in the book and summarized in an article that I co-authored with Joe Staker for the January 2015 issue of Mennonite Family History.
Larry
QUESTIONS:
Robert C. Carpenter asked:
Robert wrote this:
I need some help with the Peter Zimmerman listed as a possible ancestor of some of our group. I have not seen information on this Peter Zimmerman. He is clearly not the Peter of the Friendship, whose birth would have been about 1704 per ship passenger list and died 1790 per will and Orphan's Court records.
1. Where was this new Peter born in 1668? What is the source?
2. What is the source for his death record in Pennsylvania in 1750? I have not seen records of a Peter Zimmerman dying in Pennsylvania this early. Where did he die? Lancaster County? What is the record?
3. What is the source for this Peter Zimmerman? Is he listed on Pennsylvania tax lists? Where and which years?
4. How does this Peter Zimmerman relate to Nicholaus Zimmerman of Switzerland and Alsace?
I am very confused about information concerning this new Peter Zimmerman.
Could someone provide some documentation?
Larry Zimmerman responds:
These are some of the same questions I raised in an email on 2/14/15, “Untangling the Web.” I am still very new to the CC/Group 5 material, but I don’t see why the provisional genealogy seems to emphasize Peter Zimmerman (b. 1668) as a direct ancestor. I haven’t seen evidence to support that view, and nor have I seen anything to show that the Peter born in Steffisburg in 1668 immigrated to Pennsylvania.
The primary source for documenting the Steffisburg Zimmerman family is the Kirchenbuch, the registers maintained by the Evangelish Reformierte Kirche at Steffisburg, which are available on microfilm and now online. There is a record for the baptism of Peter Zimmerman on 23 Aug 1668 at the Steffisburg church, the son of Hans Zimmerman and Barbara Gilgen. We know he existed. But so far, I have not seen anything to show that Peter was directly related to the 18th century Pennsylvania immigrant brothers Hans and Peter Zimmerman. And there is no reason to think that Peter himself immigrated to America as far as I am aware.
I spent time today going through some of the Steffisburg records with the aim of verifying or refuting the information published by Sharman Meck Carroll in the January 2005 issue of MFH. (By the way, I did get an email response from Mr. Carroll, but it was of no help, and I fear he may not be well.) Anyway, here is some of what I discovered today in reviewing FHL Film 2005787. It largely agrees with what Sharman Carroll had, but I have corrected a few details he had wrong.
Children of Hans Zimmerman (b. 1667) and Cathrin Spring (b. 1669) who were married at Steffisburg 25 Nov 1698
Verena, bpt. 17 Nov 1700 (As I suspected her name was Verena, not Verna as was printed in the MFH article.)
2. Barbara, bpt. 2 Apr 1702
3. Hans, bpt. 11 Nov 1703
4. Hans, bpt. 4 Jan 1705 (This son was not included in the Carroll article, and I will have more to say about him later.)
5. Peter, bpt. 6 Aug 1708
I have saved images of each of these christening records.
It seems likely that Sharman Carroll was correct in his claim that Hans born in 1703 in Steffisburg probably was the Hans Zimmerman who lived in Cocalico Twp, Lancaster Co. Hans arrived on the Pink Plaisance on 21 Sep 1732, and his age was recorded as 30, close to the actual age of (almost) 29. I have looked at enough passenger lists to know that the recorded ages were often off, sometimes wildly so. Furthermore, the Peter Zimmerman who arrived on the Friendship on 3 Sep 1739 at recorded age 35 was reasonably close in age to Hans’ brother Peter born in 1708 in Steffisburg—he was actually 31 in 1739 according to the birth record.
Regarding the Hans Zimmerman baptized on 4 Jan 1705, no one as far as I know has noted that person before. As I said, he was not included in the Carroll genealogy. It’s an intriguing discovery, and I have some preliminary thoughts, but I will hold off until I check a few more things in the Steffisburg records. The fact that he was christened with the same name as his older—and still living—brother is not all that surprising. The Amish Mennonites often used the same given name and differentiated the children with another name in the home. Now what might they have called the younger Hans?
Larry
A Tenuous Hypothesis:
From: Larry Zimmerman
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 6:08 PM
To: Robert C. Carpenter ; Bobby Carpenter ; John R. Carpenter ; John Schmeeckle ; Richard (Dick) Zimmerman
Cc: John 00 Chandler ; Terry 00 Carpenter
Subject: A Tenuous Hypothesis
Colleagues
After a thorough review of the Steffisburg Kirchenbuch, I have been unable to find anything pertaining to Peter Zimmerman (b. 1668), our purported ancestor, beyond his baptismal record. My file on that entry is attached, but in summary it shows that Peter was baptized at Steffisburg on 23 August 1668, the son of Hans Zimmerman and Barbara Gilgen. But there is nothing recorded for him after that event.
I see no record that Peter married in Steffisburg. I looked at marriages between 1686 (when Peter would have been only 18) and 1705. Moreover, I find no baptisms of any children for Peter Zimmerman at Steffisburg. I also checked entries in the Schwarzenegg Kirchenbuch: Schwarzenegg—which lies just east of the Steffisburg and Homberg Gemeinden—became a separate parish from Steffisburg in 1693. Richard Warren Davis suggested the possibility that Peter might have been the father of: (1) Nicholas, b. c1700—immigrant on the Pink Plaisance in 1732; (2) Hans, b. 1702—immigrant on the Pink Plaisance in 1732; (3) Peter, b. 1704, immigrant on the Friendship in 1739; (4) Ulrich, b. 1705—immigrant on the Pink Plaisance in 1732; and (5) Adam, b. 1709—immigrant on the Pink Plaisance in 1732.
To be clear, Davis did not make any definitive claims that Peter Zimmerman (1668) was the father of any of the individuals on the list, because there is no documentation, but he offered that hypothesis for the five individuals known to have immigrated. He seems to have calculated all the birthdates from the ages stated at the time of arrival in Philadelphia. And in the case of Nicholas, Davis proposed that the recorded age of 50 on the passenger list was wrong, arguing that Nicholas was probably about 30, therefore born about 1700.
I can think of several explanations as to why there is no record of Peter marrying or having children at Steffisburg/Schwarzenegg.
1. The Anabaptists resisted having children baptized in the Swiss Reformed Protestant Church, so it’s possible Peter had children at Steffisburg who were not recorded. That would not explain why there is no marriage record, although there too, some Anabaptists may not have recorded a marriage at the state church. Still, it is unlikely that Peter could have skipped the church marriage and have hidden the births of up to five children over the span of nearly a decade without the Bern church authorities discovering it. The parish pastors were agents of the state and required to report any breaches of the laws regarding religious practice. Canton Bern threatened to take children away from parents who did not comply with the law requiring baptism, and did so at times; consequently, many Anabaptist families reluctantly allowed their children to receive baptism. Could Peter really have avoided the law for numerous children over an extended period of time?
2. He perhaps left Steffisburg when a young man, presumably going to Alsace. He might have married and had children there. The Catholic parishes in Alsace did not record Anabaptist marriages and births.
3. Peter Zimmerman may have died before marriage. I find no record of his death, but many deaths were not formally recorded.
Until we have better evidence to support the hypothesis that Peter Zimmerman, son of Hans Zimmerman and Barbara Gilgen, was a direct ancestor of the Zimmerman immigrants of the 1730s, it seems to me the lineage suggested by Davis is extremely tenuous.
There may be alternative theories that better fit the known facts.
Larry
Follow up based on a comment by JS ...
From: Larry Zimmerman
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:08 AM
To: john schmeeckle
Cc: Robert C. Carpenter ; Bobby Carpenter ; John R. Carpenter ; Richard (Dick) Zimmerman ; John 00 Chandler ; Terry 00 Carpenter
Subject: Re: A Tenuous Hypothesis
John
Your idea about a father and son named Christian at Sexau and Denzlingen is intriguing, and coincidently I have something underway that might help us test that hypothesis.
A little background first. One of the happy outcomes of the articles published in the January issue of MFH was that I received several emails from readers. That was the genesis of our wonderful little Carpenter/Zimmerman Cousins correspondence group. I also heard from Helmut Gingerich who read the article in Germany. Helmut is another descendant of Amish Mennonites and an avid genealogical researcher. We have struck up a friendship and are collaborating on some Zimmerman family history. About ten days ago, I asked Helmut if he could obtain copies of the original leases signed by Christian Zimmermann at Sexau and Denzlingen. I referred to those leases in Ancestral Traces, but I never saw the primary documents, relying instead on the accounts of John Hüppi and Michaela Schmölz-Häberlein. Those authors cited specific archival files, and I asked Helmut if he could request copies from the Baden-Württemberg archives. Turns out, Helmut has a friend with access, and that friend is supposed to be getting them for us. I have not received anything yet, but I’m hopeful the leases may shed light on our Christian Zimmermann. My intent was to look for any clues that John Hüppi might have missed regarding Christian’s parentage. Seems unlikely that I would see anything overlooked by Hüppi, but one never knows. Anyway, it’s always better to have primary documents. I trust researchers such as Hüppi, but never 100 percent. With your email, we now have another reason to carefully examine the leases. I assume Christian signed each one, beginning at Sexau in 1728, and continuing with several leases over the years at Denzlingen. Do all signatures match, or is there evidence to support your hypothesis about a father and son—two individuals named Christian Zimmermann with different signatures? Assuming we get our hands on the leases, we can then decide.
You raise a good point about whether Christian was old enough to enter a lease at Sexau in November 1728. I addressed that issue in my book when I tried to estimate Christian’s birth year. I felt he had to be at least 20 when he took the Sexau lease, but more likely a little older. I settled on “born about 1705” and tried to make clear that this was conjectural. But I also recognized that this raised a question about the age of Christian’s wife, who we think was a Rupp, given name unknown. I wrote this: “Based on the birthdates of her children, so far as they are known, she may have been born about 1715. That would make her approximately 10 years younger than her husband. Age differences of that magnitude between husband and wife were common.” But your email is making me question all this again. I took the 1759 birth of son Heinrich (who died in 1761) and by assuming his mother gave birth at 44, the outer limit of fertility, I came up with the 1715 birth date for Christian’s wife. But that resulted in a large difference in an age between husband and wife. I think that is all possible, but your “out-of-the-box” idea has me wondering if there is another explanation.
Let’s keep our fingers crossed that we get something out of the Karlsruhe archives on those old leases.
Thanks for contributing this thought-provoking idea.
Larry
76.
Adam Zimmerman
31.
Niclaus "Claus" Zimmerman
They were Anabaptists and moved out of Steffisburg on 26 May 1695.
He may have been the Nicholas who purchased a house in Fortelbach,Alsace with Peter Joder in 1699.
He was living at Markirch in 1703 and 1708 with the Amish.
He arrived in Philadelphia on 28 August 1733 on the ship Hope with alarge group of Mennonites.
He was listed as age 63 and had his younger children with him, Hans16, Christian, age 14, Barbara, age 20 and Anna, age 18.
He died intestate in Lancaster County in 1739, He probably left his older children in Europe.
BOOK:
Zimmerman, Ezra and Maria, compilers. A Branch of the Zimmerman OFF SPRING of Glause Zimmerman in Europe and His Children Who Came from Europe: Records of 12 Generations, Records of Births of over 325 Years, over 12,000 Families. Second Edition., Printed in 1988 by Gordonville, Penna. Print Shop 17529.
SEE: Page 3, Family No. 1
NOTE: This book propagates the error of using the wife's maiden name as the middle name for each child. This is wrong and without documentation. Where all initials are the same in the family, they should be ignored.
NOTE: The index uses family numbers and not page numbers.
No sources or documentation provided. This is a family listing by family numbers and with minimal location information. It shows DOB & DOD when known.
E-MAIL:
From: Robert Carpenter
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:10 AM
To: John R Carpenter ; Terry 00 Carpenter
Cc: Bobby Carpenter ; John 00 Chandler
Subject: Re: A Branch of the Zimmerman OFF SPRING of Glause Zimmerman in Europe and His Children Who Came from Europe
John and all,
Kit #53199 and #196674 belong to this Claus Zimmerman. I have seen that book and a more recent book by an Earl Zimmerman. I have another more recent book by Philip Roth about the family, in which he does a marvelous job documented the family's history. This Claus or Glaus is the nickname or shortened form of Nicholaus Zimmerman. Nicholaus was in Steffisburg and moved to Alsace. He came to America as a very old man with sons Christian and Hans on the ship Hope in 1733. Hans and Christian purchased their land from our ancestor, Hans Zimmerman, who went bankrupt in Pennsylvania and subsequently moved to NC. Their homeplaces are well known in Earl Township, Lancaster Co, PA. Many of their descendants remain Mennonite. They are both buried in the Lichty Cemetery which is across the road from the Christian Zimmerman homeplace and behind the family barn. I visited that area many years ago and I hope all is still there that I remember.
Bob has postulated that Nicholaus (Claus/Glaus) was the uncle or I suspect grand-uncle of our Hans Zimmerman. Since both families were Mennonite and later Amish, they failed to have their children baptized and moved away from Steffisburg, Switzerland to Alsace for religious freedom and then to America when the French cracked down on dissenters in Alsace. I was over-joyed when the kits of these descendants were posted on the site. That proved our connection to Steffisburg once again.
By the way very few Zimmermans remained in the Steffisburg area after 1720 or so. I have read the parish records and have a digitized copy of them. Most moved away.
Thanks John for all your hard work!! Robert C. BOOK: Full cite
https://familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/printing/titledetailsprint.asp?titleno=360575
Title A branch of the Zimmerman offspring of Glause Zimmerman in Europe and his children who came from Europe : records of 12 generations, records of births of over 325 years, over 12,000 families
Stmnt.Resp. compiled by Ezra and Maria Zimmerman ... [et al.]
Authors Zimmerman, Ezra S. (Ezra Sensenig), 1914- (Main Author) Zimmerman, Maria K. (Mary Kurtz), 1917- (Added Author)
Notes To view a digital version of this item - see the following link . NOTE: Protected Book - limited viewing in FHCs only. Cover title: Zimmerman's family history, 1720-1988. Hans Zimmerman (1720-1786) and a brother, Christian Zimmerman (d.1787) were two of the sons of Glause Zimmerman of Europe. They were Mennonites who emigrated from the Palatinate to Philadelphia in 1732, but probably were descendants of Swiss immigrants to the Palatinate. Hans married Anna K. Webber and settled in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. Descendants and relatives lived in Pennsylvania, New York, Virginia, Ohio, Iowa, Nebraska, California and elsewhere. Some descendants immigrated to Ontario, and progeny lived in Ontario, British Columbia and elsewhere in Canada. Includes index. Includes Brubaker (Brubacker, Brubacher), Burkholder, Good, Hoover, Horst (Hurst), Martin, Nolt, Sensenig, Shirk, Stauffer, Weaver and related families.
ASIN: B0006EVKT0 Call Number - Location - Status - High Density 929.273 Z65ze - FHL FAM HIST Book - Available -
Format Books/Monographs
Language English
Publication Gordonville, Pennsylvania : Gordonville Print Shop, 1988
Physical 1486, [147] p.
Edition 2nd ed