Descendants of Group 5 Zimmermans / Carpenters

Notes

51. Johann Peter Zimmerman

PARENT:  SPECULATED!!!
Was he (165135) related to RIN 154586 Johann Petrus Zimmerman of Group 5 lineage? (b. 1672 d. 1673 Sulzfeld, Baden, Germany) - Maybe through the father or one of the siblings?

Descendants submitted by William Everett Timmerman  e-mail: djswisher201@verizon.net

52. Johannes Paul Zimmermann

ANCESTRY:
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/39109691/person/19326249341

Parents
Hans Caspar ZIMMERMANN  1702 – 1771
Elisabetha KISTLER  1690 – 1730  

Spouse & Children
Maria Catharina STEIN  1749 – 1786
Anna Catharina Zimmermann  1773 – 1827
Elisabetha ZIMMERMANN  1775 –
Johann Paul Zimmermann  1779 – 1813

Christian DUPLICATE of 104583 Deppen

Christian Deppen came to America in 1736 on the ship Princes Augusta.He was naturalized in 1734 and took the oath of allegiance to Coloniesin 1778. His will was written on 27 September 1775 and probated on 24September 1782.

68. Christian Zimmerman

He may be the Christian Zimmerman who was an Anabaptist living on thelow ridge near Fortelbach, Markirch, Alsace in 1737.

72. Hans "John" Zimmerman

NOTE: See other Hans "John" b. abt 1702 (RIN 90467)

NOTE:
Hans Zimmerman is the tentative agreed upon common ancestor of Group 5 with RCC caveat; The
DNA provides evidence and all other data strongly suggests this link. No proof has yet to be discovered
and may never be discovered. I am about ready (Bob has already) to conclude this link without the
hedge. RCC Jul 2012

BOOK: "Carpenters A'Plenty" by Robert C. Carpenter.
Following is the drop-down lineage from the immigrant ancestor to Bob, using Robert C. Carpenter's
CAP numbering system:
John Carpenter, surname anglicized from Hans Zimmermann, b c1702 Switzerland, d 1794 NC:
#C. Christian 'CZ' Carpenter, b c1721, d 1800:
#C(10). Frederick Carpenter, b c1772, d 1829:
#C(10)3. Joseph Carpenter, b c1795, d aft1850:
#C(10)31. John T. Carpenter, b c1820-5, d 1895:
#C(10)316. Noah Z. P. Carpenter, b 1877, d 1955:
#C(10)3165. George B. Carpenter, b 1909, d 1980
#C(10)31652. Bob Carpenter - Living

NAME: aka John or Hans Carpenter

From: Robert Carpenter
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 10:59 AM
To: John R. Carpenter 2
Subject: Re: Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project - Group 5
John,
... I can verify the lineage from Barto Charles Carpenter through Jacob Zimmerman. I do believe that he
was the son of Hans of the Pink Plaisance which you have as the next generation. The DNA provides
evidence and all other data strongly suggests this link. No proof has yet to be discovered and may
never be discovered. I am about ready (Bob has already) to conclude this link without the hedge.
Trash the rest! We do not know who the father of Hans is. I have a candidate in Steffisburg--Hans and
Caterina Spring Zimmerman; Bob of CA adheres to the ideas of Richard Warren Davis that Hans was
the son of the Amish Preacher Peter Zimmerman of Alsace, migrating from Steffisburg. One of us or
neither of us may be correct. I do think that one of us is correct.
I am cautiously optimistic that something may be discovered in Swiss records to prove or disprove one
of these lines. There were so many Zimmermans in Steffisburg and so many in Alsace! Sorting them
with out consistent parish baptismal records is a challenge (to say the least).
Let me know if this makes sense!
Robert C.

In America Hans Zimmerman was also known as John Carpenter.

Zimmerman, a Mennonite family name found in West Prussia and South Germany, is also found regularly
in North America as well. It is most probable that the West Prussian Zimmermann family was
originally called Timmermann (Dutch for Carpenter) and that Timmermann was the form used until the
18th Century in the Danzig area.

The Deeds of Lancaster Co., PA prove that the elder Hans Zimmerman of the Pink Plaisance was the
brother of Peter Zimmerman of Cocalico Twp., who arrived on the Ship Friendship.

Richard Warren Davis wrote in his book, "Emigrants, Refugees and Prisoners", on page 06: 212. [?]
Hans Zimmerman, b. 1702. He was age30 when he arrived in 1732 on the ship Pink Plaisance. He was
marriedfirst to Salome who was age 34 in 1732 and secondly, Sarah between1750 and 1752.

He bought large tracts of land in Cocalico Township and Earl Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania
beginning in 1733. (Deed  C-89,Lancaster)
He was taxed at Cocalico twp., Lancaster County in 1751.
He was not taxed at Cocalico in 1756. Hans was the administrator of the estate of Ulrich Zimmerman
who died in 1738.
He also posted bond for Nicholas Zimmerman's estate in 1752.
He had a number of deed transactions in Lancaster County. In a deed dated 1748, Hans Zimmerman
and his wife Salome, sold 85 acres of land in Earl Township to Christian Zimmerman and his wife
Barbara.Christian Zimmerman sold that land on 9 January 1752 to his brother Hans Zimmerman. (Deed  
F-276, Lancaster).
In the deed dated 1752 it referred to Hans as late of CocalicoTownship. Hans apparently left Cocalico
by 1752. Hans was probably related to the Christian and Hans Zimmerman of Earl Township )deed
of1752), but was not their father.
In a deed dated 17 May 1750, Hans Zimmerman and his wife, Salome conveyed part of 1042 acres they
patented in 1739 in Cocalico Township to Hans' brother Peter Zimmerman. (Deed  A-159, Lancaster).  

The land was next to Ulrich Zimmerman's land. He was last of Cocalico in a deed dated 16 May 1753.
(Deed D02, Lancaster).
In 1755 Hans' lands were sold to Peter Bricker to pay off debts. At that time Hans failed to appear at a
hearing. (Deed  D-303,Lancaster).
In 1757 more land of Hans Zimmerman was sold by the sheriff to pay debts and it was stated in the
deed that Hans "was late of my county". He apparently moved from Lancaster County by 1757.  Above
from "EMIGRANTS, REFUGEES AND PRISONERS" by: Richard Warren Davis.

Benjamin Franklin in 1732 began publication of "Poor Richard's Almanack".

NOTE:
Wattenwil is a municipality in the administrative district of Thun in the canton of Bern in Switzerland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wattenwil

Sarah Salome

NAME:  
Hans Zimmermans wife's surname remains unknown. It may be Ruffner but no documentary evidence has proven that surname.  For this reason it has been removed. JRC May 2014.

73. Nicholas Zimmerman

Nicholas was listed as age 50 when he arrived in Philadelphia with a large group of
Mennonites in 1732 on the ship Pink Plaisance with his wife Elizabeth, age 30.
He was closely related to Hans Zimmerman of Cocalico Twp., who also arrived on the
same ship, but he was not Hans' father so I am assuming that they listed his age
wrong on the ship list and that his age may have been closer to the age of his wife
Elizabeth.
He was probably the brother of Hans Zimmerman.
He was taxed at Cocalico in 1751 and on 6 Feb 1755 at the Orphan Court of Lancaster
County his wife Elizabeth was listed as the administrator of the estate of Nicholas
Zimmerman. It stated that he had two daughters.

74. Peter Zimmerman

Peter Zimmerman was born on 6 April 1708 and arrived on the ship"Friendship" on 3 September 1739. Ref: Harold Quin, 5300 Hudson Rd.,Lake ?Wylie, SC 29710-9506.  (803) 831-2440.

Emigrants, Refugees and Prisoners, (An Aid to Mennonite FamilyResearch), Volume 1, Richard Warren Davis - page 407-408
2143 [?] Peter Zimmerman, b. 1704 (actually on 6 April 1708). He diedin 1790 at Cocalico twp., Lancaster County, PA. He was married to Annaas his seocnd wife. He had three daughters by his first wife and oneson by his second wife. He is probably the Peter Zimmerman who arrivedon the ship Friendship on 3 September 1739, age 35, the same day alarge group of Mennonites on ship Robert and Alice landed. He wastaxed at Cocalico in 1751. He bought land in Cocalico twp., from hisbrother Hans in 1747, 1750 and 1753. He sold the land he bought fromhis brother Hans (in 1747) to George Wohlfart in 1767 (Ref: DeedH-386, Lancaster Co., PA.
21431 Elizabeth Zimmerman
21432 Anna Zimmerman
21433 Barbara Zimmerman
21434 Peter Zimmerman, b. c 1755

Robert C. Carpenter wrote this essay:  "Peter Zimmerman Sr. of Cocalico Township"
On September 3, 1739, Better (Peter) Zimerman arrived on the Friendship in Philadelphia with Wm. Vitery, Commander. Peter joinedhis kinsmen, other Zimmermans (variously spelled Zimerman, Zimmerman,Zimmermann(, who had previously settled in Cocalico and EarlTownships, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.  On November  27, 1745,Peter Carpenter received a warrant for 50 acres in Lancaster County.In addition "his brother" Hans Zimmerman, the immigrant on the PinkPlianance arriving September 21, 1732, deeded Peter property inCocalico Township where Peter made his home. On June 12, 1747, Hansdeeded Peter 603 acres; on May 16 1753, he deeded him additional 42acres. Hans and Peter also received a warrant together for 100 acreson May 18, 1750. Proof that Peter and Hans were brothers may be foundin the deed between Hans and wife Salome to Frances Bowes' widowRachel. This deed, dated May 17, 1750, involved two tracts in CocalicoTownship. ["Pennsylvania Archives, 3rd Series, Volume 24, Warrantiesof land 1730-1898, Lancaster Co., Vol. I pp376-391, Vol. I pp567-568.Lancaster Co. Deeds Bk-C, p-89; Bk-D, p-1. Pa. German Pioneers Vol. 1,pp-78-83. Deed Bk-A, p-159 details that Hans and Peter wereBrothers."]

Erle C. Zimmerman Notes:
Indenture June 12, 1747 (Lancaster Co., Deed Book C, page 89)
John Carpenter of Cocalico Township and Salome. his wife of one partand Peter Carpenter of the same township, yeoman, of the other part,conveyed two tracts of land to Peter Carpenter, one tract containing603 acres and the other containing 36 acres from original tracts of903 acres and 1023 acres. Consideration 266 pounds.

Indenture June 4, 1767 (Lancaster Co., Deed Book H, page 386
Peter Zimmerman and Anna, his wife, of Cocalico Township, of one partand George Wohlfarht of the other part. Conveyed tract of 116 acreswhich was part of a tract patented to John Zimerman, alias Carpenter,on February 13, 1733. Consideration 180 pounds.

Peter Zimmerman wrote a will in 1785 and died in 1790. In his will,peter mentioned Ann, his wife, Peter, Mary, Elizabeth, Anna andBarbara as children of his first wife and Jacob as child of his secondwife.

Robert C. Carpenter's

COMMENTS: May 2014 - Concerns regarding this lineage.
Peter Zimmerman of Cocalico TWP, PA: The lineage is a bit confused. The DNA has proven that Bernhard Zimmerman (the son of this Peter) does not match our DNA despite at least one descendant to indicate a family connection. That descendant, whom I have attempted a number of times to contact, did locate the Steffisburg records for our Zimmermans and gave me some leads into that family. I have no idea the name of Bernhard's father but strongly suspect that it was not Peter of Cocalico, based upon the DNA. By the way this Peter was the brother of our Hans, which tends to suggest that Amish Preacher Peter of Alsace was not the father of Hans since he died in 1697; our Hans and his brother Peter were born in early 1700. Also this Peter's first wife was named Anna but I have never seen that he married Anna Wohlfahrt. Peter had a daughter who married a Wohlfahrt. Some have speculated that his first wife was a Weber.

Robert C. Carpenter added (2/2015)
1. Peter of Cocalico left a will dated 1785 and probated 1790. He listed some but not all of his children. Within the ones he listed he did not include Bernhardt.
2. In 1791 Peter Zimmerman, his son, filed a lawsuit against a number of the "appellant[s]". He was listed as a resident of Cocalico Township and as a son of Peter.
Bernhardt was not listed on this list.
3. Peter was married twice to two Anns. His second wife wrote a will August 24, 1816 and did not name Bernhardt as a son.
4. May 1, 1821 John Loos, an attorney for "ten of the heirs of Peter Zimmerman" filed a release in the Lancaster County Register of Deeds. None of these heirs included Bernhardt.
5. Bernhardt appears not to be one of "our Zimmermans" for a couple of reasons. He enlisted as a Revolutionary soldier; so he either repudiated his Anabaptist beliefs or did not have them. He resided some distance from Lancaster County with no indication that he ever attempted to receive his inheritance from Peter of Cocalico. Others lived as far away as Virginia and sued to get their share. If he was a son, he surely would have done so. Family names in Bernhardt do not match ours as closely as ours match each others!
Using the documentation listed above, plus church records and tax records, I have created a family listing for Peter Zimmermann of Cocalico. I am going to list some basic information and if you want more details, write me:
Peter Zimmermann b. abt 1704; d prior to Oct 7, 1790 married (1) Anna (Weber possibly); (2) before July 8, 1775 Anne Bricker. Children 1st marriage:
1. Elizabeth m. Feb 7, 1748 George Wahlfahrt;
2. Ann m. -?- Martin;
3. Barbara m. prior to 1797 Dr. George Keller of the Ephrata Cloister. She had a family in Shennandoah Co, VA
4. Mary m. Christian Wenger (Wingert)
5. Peter m. Elizabeth and had one child baptized by Rev. Waldschmidt in Lancaster Co, PA in 1781
2nd marriage:
6. Christian m. and had at least one child named Elizabeth;
7. Salome m. Peter Geistweith;
8. Jacob m. Apr 3, 1785 Anna Rettloff or Rettloss from the Waldschmidt records.

Anna Weber

NAME:
Surname possibly Weber. Daughter Elizbeth married a Wohlfarht.

Dr. George Keller

... of the Ephrata Cloister.

Anna Rettloff

NAME:
Rettloff or Rettloss