Descendants of Group 5 Zimmermans / Carpenters

Notes


93. Michael Carpenter

SPECULATED link to parent.


94. Friedrich Willhelm Zimmerman

PRF1:
Frederick Wilhelm Zimmerman
Imigrated to Charleston, South Carolina in January, 1764
Greenwood Sketches
Raymond Tidwell Timmerman, Jr.
Parents
Hans Jacob & Anna Barbara (Isliker) Zimmerman  (both b. abt 1710 Germany)
Citing This Record
"Pedigree Resource File," database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SR6H-LQJ : accessed 2014-05-12), entry for Frederick Wilhelm /Zimmerman/.

PRF2:
Friedrich Wilhelm /Zimmermann/
Notes (2)
Friedrich Wilhelm ZIMMERMAN of Germany, born about 1728, arrived with
family in the port of Charles Town South Carolina Dec. 16th, 1764
aboard the privately owned ship UNION.  Source:  BOOKLET-‘PROCEEDINGS
OF THE COMMITTEE APPOINTED FOR RELIEVING THE POOR
GERMANS’/LONDON/1765; SC Council records of December 1764.

His family included wife Margaretha Elizabetha ??,  also born about
1728; female child Anna, age 9; son 'George', age 2; and unknown
infant less than 2 years of age.  Source: SOUTH CAROLINA COUNCIL
REPORT DATED JAN. 31, 1765, DISCUSSING THE PAYMENT OF FEES OWED TO
SHIP CAPTAINS; WITH LISTING OF IMMIGRANTS; PALATINE ROOTS, author
Gordon A. Rampy, printed 1988, Library of Congress card number
88-61207 (1st edition)..

3 days after the UNIONs arrival, Johann Peter ZIMMERMAN was born Dec.
19th, 1764; christened Dec. 20th, 1764 at St. John’s Lutheran Church
by Pastor Hahnbaum.  Source:  1946 TRANSCRIBED CHURCH RECORDS BOOKLET
ON FILE AT LDS LIBRARY IN SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH.

'Loyalists in the Southern Campaign of the Revolutionary War'; author
Murtie June Clark; Vol I;  Official Rolls of Loyalists Recruited from
North and South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Mississippi and Louisiana;
Baltimore, Genealogical Publishing Co, Inc.; Copyright 1981
Muster, Captain Faight Risingers Company, SC Royalists, Savannah, GA,
1 Dec 1779:
Sergeants:
2 Strum, Henry*
Privates:
1 Henn, Nicholas*
4 Shelnut, George, Sr.*
5 Shelnut, Thomas*
11 Zimmerman, Henry*
18 Shelnut, George, Jr.*-unfit
21 Seng, Jacob*, died 19 Nov 1779
23 Dern, George*, died 15 Sept 1779
25 Male, Peter*, died 10 Oct 1779****
26 Zimmerman, Frederick*, died 29 Oct 1779
(PAC, RG8I "C" SERIES, VOL 1890)
Image copy attached of document from film on file with LDS in Salt
Lake City, Utah; Loyalists of the Southern Campaign; PAC - RG81 - "C"
SERIES; VOL. 1890.
*All of these listed here (and others as well in main list) were
recorded members of the Palatinate group of 1764 and residents of
Edgefield along the Sleepy Creek region.
****Peter Male (MEHL) and wife Ana Maria  were sponsers of the
Christening of Johann Peter ZIMMERMAN, 3rd son of Friederich and
Margaretha, on Dec. 20, 1764 in Charles Town at St. John's Lutheran
Church by Pastor Hahnbaum...another one of my ancestors (Chuck).

Closing note:  There are internet postings by a 'researcher' named
Connie that reflects Frederich Wilhem ZIMMERMAN being born IN 1730 in
Switzerland with parents of Hans Jacob ZIMMERMAN and Barbara ISLIKER.

With the historical records showing that the group of immigrants
stranded in London in 1764 were all from the Rhine River region of
Germany, this Switzerland claim was deeply researched, and
subsequently proven to be false, by using the same film source
(IGI-FamilySearch.org)  film of Switzerland 1770s church records
Connie used; which merely reflected birth and christening (1730) data
of an individual with the same name.

Upon our research, the individual that Connie 'adopted' (FW ZIMMERMAN)
from Diessen Hofen Thurgau, Switzerland, born 7/30/1730, was found to
have DIED shortly after having reaching the age of one (1) year;
proving without any doubt that this 'adoption' as being totally
inaccurrate.

At the same time, while we have been successful in locating many of
the original 'home villages' of the 1764-65 Palatinate group, the
parents of immigrant Frederich Wilhelm ZIMMERMAN, of Charles Town in
1764, and eventually Edgefield, have unfortunately not yet been
determined; but we remain 'on the hunt'.
Jan, 2011; Chuck Timmerman

UPDATE:  JANUARY 2012

See image attached for specific reference.
In 2011, the author of the 'PALATINE ROOTS' booklet, Gordon Ramsey,
advised that while cleaning out his research collection from the time
he was in Germany doing research on his family (RAMPI), he came across
a document that reflected an apparent transcription of a 1700s
document addressing an individual named Friedrigh Wilhelm ZIMMERMANN.
At that time, he felt this 'find' was addressing the Friederich
Wilhelm ZIMMERMAN that was recorded, along with his family members, in
the Committee booklet and subsequently Charles Towne records.

Upon our comparing this data, village namely, we discovered that the
region of the village (Wachenheim) was abundantly present in our
research, and findings, of the villages as mentioned above for members
of the Palatine group.  One member's location, namely the family of
MEHL-MALE), just happened to have been the sponser (God parents) for
FW's son (Johann Peter) who was born shortly after the ship Union
arrived in Charles Towne in 1764.  The source of this 'sponsor-ship'
status comes from the 1765 Christening records of St. John's Lutheran
church in Charles Towne ... which remains standing these days.

The document that Gordon provides reflects, or connects to, the
following:
1.  Gordon ... at that time and 'on-site' ... felt that the individal
addressed in the document was the FW ZIMMERMAN addressed in his
booklet.
2.  The ancient (transcribed) document, in naming Friedrich Wilhelm
ZIMMERMANN, states that his original destination was New England
America ... which at the time of 1764, was all part of King George II
territory ... aka Novia Scotia, Canada these days.
3.  Through unknown further documents relative to this transcripted
document, FW is stated as ultimately having settled in "Carolina",
date of 1777.
4.  Being (former) German Lutheran's ourselves, it is knowledge that a
close member of the family is used as the 'Sponsor' ... aka God
Parent' ... for a new-born baby.
WHY?  Because of the hope that the 'God father-mother' will oversee
how well the parents of the child are attending to the child's well
being, and if need be, to perhaps become more involved themselves.
5.  A family from the same village were the 'God parents' of the child
born shortly after arrival in America.
6.  Ironically, this child was also named the same as the father
depicted on the document for Friederich Wilhelm ZIMMERMANN ... Johann
Peter ZIMMERMANN.

The one thing lacking in this document is the dob or age of the FWZ
being discussed.  Therefore, our 'adoption' of this individual as the
specificlly FWZ ancestor, is PRELIMINARY ... until further research
proves ... or disproves ... our position.

So PLEASE ... if you are doing research for my (and your) ancestor
(Friederich Wilhelm ZIMMERMANN), PLEASE do not adopt the untrue data
that reflects him as being from Switzerland.

He ... like us ... was a GERMAN !!!!!
Chuck Timmerman
2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wachenheim#History
(1/16/2012)
The first traces of settlement in the Wachenheim area come from the
early Iron Age (550 BC to 1). At this time, Celts were settling in the
Upper Rhine Plain area. About 60 BC, Germanic tribes, presumably the
Nemetes, pushed into the region and drove the Celts out. The Romans
intervened in the disputes between the Germanic peoples and the Celts,
and after their victory over Ariovistus (57 BC) subdued the Nemetes
and ruled the region for the next 400 years. Under Roman influence,
crop farming was improved and also fruitgrowing and winegrowing began.
Supposedly running through what is now Wachenheim’s municipal area was
a Roman road: from Mußbach along the Haardt and through Rhenish Hesse
to Bingen.

After a brief invasion by the Huns about AD 450, the Alamanni advanced
into the area, although by the late 5th century, they were being
driven out of the region by the Franks.

Wachenheim’s first documentary mention – as Wackenheim – dates from
Carolingian times and is found in the Lorsch codex. There, on 30 March
766, the donation of a Wachenheim vineyard is noted.

In the 11th century, Wachenheim’s lords were the Salians. The town
passed on Emperor Heinrich V’s death to the House of Hohenstaufen.
From this time comes the castle complex, which nowadays is only ruins,
but which at one time belonged to a system of castles planned and
built by the Hohenstaufens.

On 24 June 1341, Wachenheim was granted town rights by Emperor Louis
the Bavarian. In 1436, Emperor Ruprecht III’s (1398–1410) son, Duke
Stefan built a mint, which was in operation until 1471. In that year,
Wachenheim, after hitherto having been under Duke Louis the Black’s
ownership, was taken over by Frederick I, Elector Palatine. At the
time of this conquest, Wachenheim Castle was burnt down and mostly
destroyed, with only partial reconstruction taking place later. The
castle and town weathered the War of the Bavarian-Palatine Succession,
emerging relatively unscathed. During the German Peasants' War, the
castle was used by marauding peasants as a base for their raids.
[edit] Modern times

During the Thirty Years' War, Wachenheim was occupied beginning in
1621 by Spanish troops, who were driven out in 1631 by Swedish troops
under King Gustav II Adolf. After the Swedes’ defeat in 1634, little
is known about the years that followed. There are, however,
indications that the townsfolk had to flee several times to the nearby
Hardenburg (castle) near Dürkheim.

Even after the Thirty Years' War, the region was time and again beset
with war. One of the highlights was the Nine Years' War (known in
Germany as the Pfälzischer Erbfolgekrieg, or War of the Palatine
Succession, 1688–1697), in the course of which Wachenheim was
completely burnt down.

In the 18th century, Wachenheim was newly built and was developing
favourably when along came the turmoil of the French Revolution with
its attendant hardships and destruction. In 1794, French troops
invaded the village and plundered it. Thereafter, and until 1815,
Wachenheim belonged to the Department of Mont-Tonnerre (or Donnersberg
in German), the Arrondissement of Speyer and the Canton of Durkheim
(without the umlaut) in the French Empire. After Napoleon’s downfall,
the Palatinate on the Rhine’s left bank, and thereby Wachenheim as
well, was governed by the Kingdom of Bavaria beginning in 1816. In
both the Franco-Prussian War and the First World War, Wachenheim was
spared further destruction and was occupied by France at the end of
the latter war, until the French pulled out of the Rhineland on 1 July
1930.

Late in the Second World War, on 18 March 1945, parts of the Old Town
were destroyed by several Allied air raids, as parts of the German
Army Command had stopped in town.
AFGS
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Citing This Record
"Pedigree Resource File," database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/33Q1-8N2 : accessed 2014-05-12), entry for Friedrich Wilhelm /Zimmermann/.

Submission
submission id:MMD8-W22
contributor: date:‎10‎/‎30‎/‎2013

DEATH:
Siege of Savannah Oct 1779
Strong likihood at or near Revo. War (Siege of Savannah) historical site of Spring Hill Redoubt, Savannah, Ga.; or nearby Georgia Central RR yards of yester year.


95. Johann Paul Zimmermann

ANCESTRY:
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/39109691/person/19326249335

Parents
Johannes Paul ZIMMERMANN  1738 – 1805
Maria Catharina STEIN  1749 – 1786

Spouse & Children▼
Anna Margaretha Mucklin  1783 – 1853
Philipp Zimmermann  1807 – 1874
Johannes ZIMMERMANN   1810 – 1861
Paul ZIMMERMANN  1813 – 1866


98. Johann Paul Zimmermann

ANCESTRY:
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/39109691/person/19326249334


109. Christian "CZ" Carpenter

The earliest record for Christian in NC is as a member of the Captain Samuel Cobrin Militia list.  Filed at
the Archives under Bladen-Anson Militia Returns 1748-1750 the militia list is the earliest record of settlers
in the Old Tryon Co. area. The company was raised to counter the threat from the Spanish in NC, known
as the "Spanish Alarm." Listed as "maried men" were "Cristin Sumirman" and "John Simerman" and as
"young men" was "Jacob Simerman."  These three Zimmerman pioneers had made the long and arduous
journey from PA to the Piedmont frontier of NC.

As did many other pioneers, Christian lived on the land a few years before receiving legal title to it. The
journey to the Anson Co. Courthouse was long, and the specie money necessary to pay for the land was
scarce. On 11 June 1754, Christian Simerman had 302 acres surveyed on Beaverdam Creek "Including
the place where he now lives. "Chainbearers were "Christian Simmerman and Michael Hostater."
The warrant for the land was dated 18 May 1754, describing the property as "below Ackers Entry."  On 27
March 1755, the grant was approved.

Christian Zimmerman supported the Patriot cause during the Revolutionary period. The first record of his
allegiance was when he signed the Tryon Resolves. On August 14, 1775, inhabitants of Tryon Co. met at
Christian Mauney's home, the temporary courthouse, to discuss the sending of delegates to the NC
Provincial Congress.  CAP pg. 23.

The Annals of Lincoln County:  Sessions for the Tryon county Court were organized at the home of
Christian Carpenter in 1773 and 1774.,pg-14.

Kiser-Carpenter Chronicle: "We should acknowledge that although weknow from Christian (CZ)
Carpenter's will that his wife's name was Mary and that the children mentioned are those listed below,
we do not have ironclad evidence that the Mary mentioned in the will was the daughter of Pioneer
Laurence and Sara Kiser. However, this was the conclusion reached long ago by A.B.K. on the basis of
his visits to relatives and his studies. Other genealogists have agreed with this conclusion.  There are
several bits of circumstantial evidence:
a) the original grant of land to Christian (C.Z.) Carpenter adjoined that of Lawrence Kiser,
b) Christian (C.Z.) Carpenter and Mary Carpenter were two of the three witnesses of Laurence Kiser's
Last Will and Testament, and
c) of the four daughters of Christian and Mary Carpenter, two had the same names as two of the
daughters of Pioneer Laurence (Mary and Catherine).

Tryon Co., NC Court of Pleas & Quarter Sessions, and Lincoln Co. Court Minutes.

October 1770 - Grand Jury - Christian Carpenter

1772 - Jury Duty - Christian Carpenter

1773-1774 - The Tryon Co. Court was held at the home of Christian Carpenter during this time because
no official location for the courthouse had been determined.

1774 - William More, John Walker, Abram Kuykendall, Charles McLean, Christopher Carpenter, & John
Hill were appointed Commissioners to find a location for a permanent courthouse.

July 26, 1774 - The above committee reported to locate the "Court House, Prison and Stocks...[at] the
'Cross Roads' on Christian Mauney's land, between the heads of Long Creek, Muddy Creek and
BeaverDam Creek in the county aforesaid, is most central and convenient..."Building of the Courthouse
was postponed, and the home of Christian Mauney was used until Lincoln Co. was formed.

1774 - Jury Duty - Christopher Carpenter

1774 - Christy Carpenter, Lawrence Kiser, Jacob Ramsour, Adolphus Reep, & John Eaker to lay out a
road from Burke Co. line to Ramsour's Mill, then to Tryon Co. Courthouse.

1774 - "Ordered by the Court that Christopher Carpenter have license to keep Ordinary at his now
dwelling house in Tryon County for complying with the act of assembly in that Care made and Provided
he proposes for securities William Moore & John Dunn, Esqr. Accepted.

1774 - Christian Carpenter, Jacob Carpenter, & others to lay out a road from Beateys old Wagon Ford
to Henry Dellingers.

Christian Zimmerman supported the Patriot cause during the Revolutionary period. The first record of his
allegiance was when he signed the Tryon Resolves. On August 14, 1775, inhabitants of Tryon Co. met at
Christian Mauney's home, the temporary courthouse, to discuss the sending of delegates to the NC
Provincial Congress.

Christian "CZ" Zimmerman with the exception of Hans Sr. was the oldest Zimmerman to migrate to NC

1778 - Christian Carpenter, Jacob Ramsour, & Robert Ferguson were to collect taxes for Capt.
Carpenter's District.

1778 & 1779 - Christian Carpenter served Jury Duty a number of times.

1779 - Christopher Carpenter, Valentine Mauney, James Reid, John Patrick, & William Grimes were
made Commissioners to purchase 100 acres to serve as courthouse, prison, & stocks for the newly
created Lincoln Co. They did not succeed.

January 1780 - Jury Duty - Christian Carpenter

1780 - "Henry J. Isinghart came into Court & Choosed Christian Carpinter for his Gardin & Said Carpinter
Gave bond according to law."

July 1781 - Henry Iseinhart again chose Christian Carpenter his guardian.

1786 - Christian Carpenter proved the Last Will & Testament the Estate of Larrence Kiser.

1787 - "Christian Carpenter Came into Court and Settled the Estate of Joseph Goode he being Admr.
and there Remains in his hand the Sum of three pounds."

1787 - Christy Carpenter vs. William Ramsey

1789 - The court gave Christian Carpenter £40 which he lent to James Holland for the use of a public
building.
Ref: C.A.P., page 22 & 23


Mary F.

NAME:
The wife of Christian Carpenter/Zimmerman has no proven surname. In fact I strongly believe that it is not Kiser. The Kiser connection appeared in North Carolina and Christian and wife had children in Pennsylvania. The Kiser family resided some distance from the Zimmermans in PA and the Kisers in MD.
I concur and removed the surname. JRC May 2014.


114. Jacob Zimmerman

PARENTS:
WHich parents is which?  Both claimed by two factions. No proof given either which way. More information needed.

Jacob Zimmerman was a Blacksmith

Jacob served during the Spanish Alarm, 1748-50 in Capt. Cobrin's Company of N.C. Militia, where he was listed as a "young man" (unmarried).


Catherine Ramsaur

NAME:
Ramsour/Ramsaur/Ramseur


Martin Friday

CEMETERY:
http://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=44431
"Old White Church" Cemetery / " Old White Church "
By Stanley and Terrie Howard, May 19, 2011
Inscription.
"Old White Church" Cemetery
First Burying Ground in Lincolnton ca. 1787 Has been placed on the National Register of Historic Places by the United States Department of the Interior
" Old White Church"
Lincolnton's original house of worship was erected by Emmanuel Lutheran and Emanuel Reformed Congregations CA.1787 and stood on the north west corner of a two acre site. This German meeting house was known as the "Old White Church" and was shared with all denominations. Following its destruction by fire December 23, 1893 Emmanuel Lutheran's congregation erected a brick church on the same site. In 1920 the present church was built diagonally across South Aspen Street.
Location. 35° 28.187′ N, 81° 15.364′ W. Marker is in Lincolnton, North Carolina, in Lincoln County. Marker is on S. Aspen Street just from S. Church Street. Click for map. Marker is in this post office area: Lincolnton NC 28092, United States of America.


115. Peter Zimmerman

NAME:  Zimmerman becomes Carpenter.

Peter Carpenter's Will can be found in "Lincoln County Loose Wills,File C.R. 060.801, North Carolina Department of Archives and History,Raleigh.

Peter Zimmerman was a blacksmith by trade, in his will he left hissmith's tools to two of his sons, William and Samuel. His son Jacobwas also a blacksmith.

Peter was a Captain in the effort to push the Cherokees west in 1775.He was the first gunsmith in the area (Lincoln Co., NC) and was ablacksmith. He later chose the Tory side and was elected a Captain forthe Battle of Ramsour's Mill (Lincoln Co., NC) 20 June 1780. after theTory defeat, Capt. Peter was found by his family lying severelywounded on the south bank of the South Fork River (where Laboratory isnow). He was shot through the body, and a silk handkerchief was drawnthrough the wound to cleanse it. In 1782, the victorious Whigs beganconfiscating Tory land. they were lenient with Peter; he had to giveup 520lbs. of dried beef as a penalty. Cornwallis's troops haddestroyed a rail fence on a boundary of his property on the South sideof Indian Creek, where he had 1200 acres of land. Peter replaced itwith a stone fence which still stands.

Peter and Barbara removed to North Carolina sometime between 1758 and1762.

Carpenters A'Plenty (CAP) #P.