Descendants of Group 5 Zimmermans / Carpenters
Notes
171.
Frederick Zimmerman
On December 10, 1804 Frederick Zimmerman was riding his horse to Lexington when he was thrown and killed.
173.
Michael Carpenter
Noted in will dated 11 Dec 1824.
174.
Johann "Jacob" Timmerman
PRF:
For many years now, 'researcher' Connie (Timmerman) McNeill of
Abbeville, SC has claimed that Jacob ZIMMERMAN was born AFTER the
Palatinate group of 1764-65 arrived in Charles Towne. This appears to
come from a family history letter written by Washington Hodges
Timmerman in the early 1900s. In that letter, WH states “… my
grandfather was named Jacob Timmerman who died before my recollection.
He had two brothers, Henry and Peter. Peter never married but lived
and died on Sleepy Creek in Edgefield County on the premises of my
grandmother. He was a small man and had the German brogue as did also
his brother Henry….".
The information of "two brothers"caught our eye, because wills and
other documents supported a total of 'three' brothers; rather than
four that Connie has as of this date (2/11/2011) posted to the
internet. This information provided by the grandson descendant of
Jacob (WH) guided us to analyze the data more closely.
After a period it became abuntly clear that the 'George' recorded on
the SC Council records, and the 'Henry Wilhelm Timmerman, Sr. ' Connie
has 'plugged' into the family data, were one and the same. Also Jacob
was the unidentified child that was with the family on arrival from
London in 1764, age under 2 years; determined by the author of the
book 'Palatine Roots' Gordon Rampy.
Applying these discoveries to the 300 acres land grant for the father
Friederich Wilhelm ZIMMERMAN perfectly matched (100) for head of
family; 50 acres for wife Margarteha Elizabetha, 50 acres daughter
Anna; 50 acres for son 'George' (see Heinrich Jeorge ZIMMERMAN for
details); & 50 acres for age under 2 (Johann Jacob),
signed 2/11/2011: Chuck & Carrol Timmerman; 8th generation grandson
of FW ZIMMERMAN.
Jacob ZIMMERMAN, 2nd oldest son of Friederick Wilhelm and Margaretha
Elizabetha (unk) ZIMMERMAN, arrived in Charles Towne, SC in Dec. 1764
as a member of the Palatine group who immigrated from the Palatinate
region of Germany to come to the 'New World'. He married Elizabeth
CLEGG, daughter of Samuel 'Campbell' and Barbara Maria (FLICK) CLEGG.
1790 census: Does not reflect Jacob. However there are 2 males of 16
and up in the house of Peter, along with 2 females ... see 1800 report
for source. Jacob did not marry until after 1790; thus the 2nd
'adult' male is recognized as being Jacob. The 2 females represent
Peter's wife and young daughter; see 1800 census for source of
daughters age range.
1800 census: Jacob is now occupying the former house his older
brother Henry occupied in 1790. Family included 3 males under 10;
Jacob at 26-44; 1 female of 26-44, likely wife Elizabeth.
1810 census: Jacob at 45 plus with 3 males under 10; 2 males 10-15; 1
male 16-25; 2 females under 10; and wife (Elizabeth) 26-44.
1820 census: Jacob 45 and up; 2 males under 10; 2 males 10-16; 1
female under 10; 1 female (Elizabeth-wife) 26-45.
1830 census: Jacob has died. Elizabeth (CLEGG) TIMMERMAN is now head
of house as sole female; with 2 males 15-20.
Jacob Timmerman's Will:
Proved by the oath of Richard Berry, Witness to the will on the 11th
of Dec, 1826.
Frederick W Timmerman (Son),Executor.
Jacob Timmerman, South Carolina:
I, Jacob Timmerman, of the District of Edgefield and State
aforesaid,being weak in body tho of sound and disposing mind and
memory and knowing that it is appointed for all men once to die, wish
to dispose of my worldly goods wherewith almighty God has blessed me,
do devise and dispose of them as follows:
First, I request my body to be buried in a Christian like manner and
the expense thereof paid out of my estate.
Secondly, I give and bequeath to my beloved Wife, Elizabeth Timmerman,
one bay horse, Bost, one Negro girl, Nina, and one Featherbed and
furniture, five hundred weight of Pork, one hundred fifty bushels of
corn and 2 stacks of blade Fodder, also my Plantation and tract of
land whereon I now live, situated in the District and State Aforesaid
on the South west side of Sleepy Creek all of which she is to have,use
and enjoy during her natural life. And then to be sold and equally
divided between my children, Jonathan, Frederick, one share to the
child or children of my deceased son John, David, Fanny Utze, Ransom,
Permelia Shaffer, Jese, Maddison and Polly.
Thirdly, all the residue and remainder of my personal estate of every
Description I wish my Executrix and executors to sell and credit of
Twelve Months and the proceeds to be equally divided amongst my above
named children.
Fourthly, I leave at the descretion of my Executrix and Executors
either to rent out or sell all my land that lies on the Northeast side
of Sleepy Creek and the proceeds of either rent or sale to be divided
amongst my above named children, equally.
Lastly, I nominate, constitute, and appoint my beloved wife, Elizabeth
Executrix and my sons Jonathon and Frederick, Executors and in the
event of the Death of either of my aforesaid sons, I nominate and
appoint the next oldest of their brothers as Executor or Executors to
this my last will and testament. I hereby disallow and revoke all
other wills, hereby confirm this my last will and testament.
In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affix my seal this
fifth day of October in the year of our Lord one thousand eight
hundred and twenty six and the fifty first year of the Independence of
the United States of America.
Signed, Sealed and acknowledged in the presence of: James Blocker,
Richard Berry and William McDowell, Jacob Timmerman (his mark).
After the death of Elizabeth Clegg Timmerman, in 1860, the estate was
appraised on Dec 10, 1860. The homestead Tract of land, containing
260 acres more or less was appraised at $7 per acre for a value of
$1,820. also 1 bed, bedstead and furniture appraised at $15.00.
Negroes: River and Brook, $900; Mansfield $800; Pickens $1,000;
John$1,050; Ann and child $1,200; Jim $1,200; Savannah $800. Total
value of Real and Personal Property = $8,785.
See .....Date: 1826/12/15
Description: TIMMERMAN, JACOB OF EDGEFIELD DISTRICT, WILL TYPESCRIPT
(2 FRAMES) (MSS WILL: BOOK C, PAGES 220-221; ESTATE PACKET: BOX 29,
PKG 1038).
.... for accounting of estate auction.
AFGS
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Sources (1)
Letter of genealogy written by Washington Hodges TIMMERMAN in 1906
Citing This Record
"Pedigree Resource File," database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/33Q1-6WK : accessed 2014-05-12), entry for Johann Jacob /Zimmerman/.
Submission
submission id:MMD8-W22
contributor: date:10/30/2013 SEE ALSO:
Wife Elizabeth Clegg and father Peter Timmerman
"Ancestral File," database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/MCCF-G99 : accessed 2014-05-12), entry for John TIMMERMAN.
Elizabeth Clegg
PRF:
In 1850 Edgefield Census, Elizabeth is 70 years of age, a widow, with
one child, J W age 37 a farmer at home.
In 1860 Edgefield Census, Elizabeth is 82 years of age, a widow with
Real Estate valued at $4,520 and Personal Estate of $25,700. Living
in the Meeting Street Section of Edgefield Co. Living with her is her
son Jesse W age 48.
"Departed this life August 10, 1860 in Edgefield District, Mrs
Elizabeth Timmerman, aged 84 years. She was baptized at Little
Stevens' Creek Church about the year 1801 by the Reverend Mr M King
and remained an orderly member of the same church until her death.
She left children, grandchildren and great grandchildren." The
Edgefield Advertiser, August 29, 1860
Citing This Record
"Pedigree Resource File," database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/33Q1-6DB : accessed 2014-05-12), entry for Elizabeth /Clegg/.
Submission
submission id:MMD8-W22
contributor: date:10/30/2013
175.
Philipp Zimmermann
ANCESTRY:
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/39109691/person/19326249353
Parents
Johann Paul Zimmermann 1779 – 1813
Anna Margaretha Mucklin 1783 – 1853
Spouse1 & Children
Catharina Charlotta Breusch 1810 – 1853
Carolina Rosina 1834 –
Johannes Jakob Friedrich 1837 –
Wilhelm Paul Jacob 1839 –
Carl Philipp 1842 – 1843
Johann Carl 1845 – 1845
Auguste Catharina 1851 –
Spouse2 & Children
Margarethe Feltiner 1809 – 1864
Spouse3 & Children
Mary A. Wittamen 1832 – 1900
Karoline Henriette Zimmerman 1866 – 1940
Martin Julius Zimmerman 1868 – 1946
MESSAGE BOARD:
http://boards.ancestry.ie/surnames.hetzler/62/mb.ashx
Mary Hetzler Scotia, Nebraska
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Mary Hetzler Scotia, Nebraska
by: Zimmerman_Marvin
Posted: 2 Aug 2003 8:32
Classification: Query
My great grandmother Mary Hetzler is buried at the Fish Creek cemetery near Scotia, Nebraska. Mary was Philipp Zimmerman's (my great grandfather) second wife. They had a son, Martin Julius Zimmerman (my grandfather) on 5/18/1874 in Crown Point, Indiana, Philipp passed awazy, and apparently Mary remarried (Hetzler?). We blieve she followed her son Martin to Nebraska, but there is not more information known about her. The remarkable thing is that she is buried in a cemetery that has not been used since 1918 and someone tends to her grave occasionally. I would be grateful for any information or mleads I can find on her.
Bottom of Form 1
SEE ALSO:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/zimmerman/messages/3235.html
Philipp Zimmermann Dyer, IN / Richen, Baden, Germany
Posted by: Marvin Zimmerman (ID *****1498)
Date: May 28, 2007 at 03:58:25
I have been very fortunate in my research and have managed to ascertain with certainty the data of these four children from Phillip Zimmermann's first marriage in Germany. All four emigrated with him to the US in 1853. From there I can only find Auguste's confirmation record in Dyer, Indiana. I recently found proof that Philipp had a nephew, John (Johann) Zimmerman who preceded him to the US in 1845. John wound up being a pillar of his new community in Wooster, Wayne County, Ohio. He became a successful businessman and bank owner there. It would stand to reason that Phillip and family emigrated through Ohio to Indiana due to John's presence there. John, in 1852 established himself in the drug business in Wooster. Philipp arrived in the US in August 1853, thus the timing seems right. I believe it is possible that Phillip's older children may have stayed in Ohio and only the youngest daughter accompanied her father to Indiana. I would love to hear from anyone who may have some information that might fit in this part of my family puzzle. Marvin Zimmerman The four older childrens' data: Carolina Rosina Born: 06/Mai/1834 in Menzingen, Baden, Germany Johannes Jakob Friedrich Born: 12/Feb/1837 Menzingen, Baden, Germany Wilhelm Paul Jacob Born: 22/Dez/1839 Menzingen, Baden, Germany Auguste Catharina Born: 18/Okt/1851 in Menzingen, Baden, Germany
177.
Johannes "John" Zimmermann
ANCESTRY:
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/39109691/person/19326249340
301.
Louise Zimmermann
SPOUSE:
Morris Lyon Buchwalter 1846 – 1924
179.
John Nicholaus Carpenter
"I believe that the (weight of the evidence) is that John Carpenter, wounded Tory at Ramsours Mill, did take his wife Elizabeth Deppen and small son to Shelbourne."
181.
Christopher "Christian" Carpenter
Born c1745, died after 1810 Christian Co. KY or perhaps in MO.
182.
Jacob "Fallston" Carpenter
He was called "Falston" Jacob apparently because he lived nearFallston and to distinguish him from other Jacob Carpenters.
Susannah "Susan" Finger
CENSUS: 1850 US Census - with son Daniel
334.
Daniel "Fat" Carpenter
CENSUS: 1850 US Census
Name: Daniel Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1850
Event Place: Cleveland county, Cleveland, North Carolina, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 36
Race: White
Race (Original):
Birth Year (Estimated): 1814
Birthplace: North Carolina
Household ID: 862
House Number: 862
Line Number: 11
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M432
Affiliate Film Number: 625
GS Film Number: 444638
Digital Folder Number: 004181072
Image Number: 00353
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Daniel Carpenter M 36 North Carolina
Susan Carpenter F 85 North Carolina
Milly Young F 38 North Carolina
Caty Dorothy F 48 North Carolina
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4Y1-QVS : accessed 5 May 2015), Daniel Carpenter, Cleveland county, Cleveland, North Carolina, United States; citing family 862, NARA microfilm publication M432 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).
185.
Peter "Hairy" Carpenter
GRAVE: image
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=149169921
Peter "Hairy Peter Zimmerman" Carpenter
Birth: 1762
Lincoln County
North Carolina, USA
Death: 1845
North Carolina, USA
Known as Peter Zimmerman and Peter "Hairy" Carpenter, his Lincoln County, North Carolina will is dated March 3, 1838. He was married to Susannah Cox ca. 1790.
Family links:
Parents:
Christian Carpenter (1720 - 1800)
Mary Kiser Carpenter (1725 - 1815)
Spouse:
Susannah Cox Carpenter (1773 - 1845)
Children:
Thomas Carpenter (1791 - 1862)*
Mary Carpenter Bess (1792 - 1850)*
Siblings:
Mary Carpenter Whisenant (1743 - 1836)*
Jacob Carpenter (1753 - 1830)*
Peter Carpenter (1762 - 1845)
Fredrick Carpenter (1772 - 1829)*
*Calculated relationship
Burial:
Beaver Dam Cemetery
Dallas
Gaston County
North Carolina, USA
Created by: Rita Wehunt-Black
Record added: Jul 13, 2015
Find A Grave Memorial# 149169921
Susannah Cox
GRAVE: - sort of - she is believed to be buried near her husband.
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=57804775
Susannah Cox Carpenter
Birth: Mar. 24, 1773
Monmouth County
New Jersey, USA <--------- maybe - proof lacking
Death: 1845
Lincoln County
North Carolina, USA
Susannah is the daughter of John Cox and Margaret Morris. [Margaret's brother is Robert Morris of whom it is said financed the American Revolution]
Family links:
Parents:
John Cox (1727 - 1782)
Margaret Morris Cox (1732 - 1799)
Spouse:
Peter Carpenter (1762 - 1845)*
Children:
Thomas Carpenter (1791 - 1862)*
Mary Carpenter Bess (1792 - 1850)*
Siblings:
John Morris Cox (1751 - 1804)*
Mary Cox Sullivan (1761 - 1847)*
Susannah Cox Carpenter (1773 - 1845)
*Calculated relationship
Burial:
Unknown
Created by: Sheri Fenley
Record added: Aug 28, 2010
Find A Grave Memorial# 57804775
186.
Henry Carpenter
From: Bobby Carpenter
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 2:32 PM
To: John R Carpenter 2
Subject: Samuel Carpenter
Hi John, I thought that I had already sent the following info regarding your previous email. However, when checking my email sent it was apparent that I had not. This is an additional input on Samuel as being the son of Henry or Christopher Carpenter, again from "CAP". Robert states on page 244, "I have been unable to locate a great deal of information about Henry and his descendants. In fact I do not have actual proof that the Henry Carpenter of Christian and Todd Counties, Ky., is identical to Henry, son of CZ. I do believe the weight of evidence is compelling." "One important source for Henry Carpenter is Census Analysis: 1790 Lincoln Co., NC Henry Carpenter 2-1-3, p-111 1800 Christian Co., Ky., Tax List 7-22-1800 - Henry Carpenter 1810 Christian Co., Ky., Census 1-3-1-0-1/2-1-1-9-1-2 slaves, p-612 1820 Todd Co., Ky., Census H. Carpenter 0-1-0-0-0-1/0-0-0-0-0-1 1830 Todd Co., Ky. Census 1 male 60-70 /1-0-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-1 ?1840 Benton Co., Mo., Census Henry Carpenter 1 male 60-70 /1-0-0-0-1-0-0-1 p-49" "The extra male in 1790 census over 16 is probably not a son. the 1810 Ky., census shows a family of 5 sons & 4 daughters. I assume the H. Carpenter in 1820 is Henry but am very unsure whether the Henry Carpenter in Benton Co., Mo., is the same person as Henry son of CZ." "The major problem in researching this family is the scarcity of data. My wife and I traveled through Christian & Todd Counties, Ky., a number of years ago." "It's possible that Henry could have removed to central Missouri where many other Carpenters of Kentucky had removed. Also on p-49 of the 1840 Benton Co., census was Jacob Carpenter, whom I have assumed to be Henry's son. If it was Henry in Mo., his age was listed in the census incorrectly. Unfortunately, proof has not been found." Robert goes on to say, "Data concerning Henry Carpenter has come from my research, the research of Mrs. Esther Bigham of Vista, CA.; census records; and the research of Nona Caine of 611 N. Monroe, Versailles, Mo." In answer to your question, The Samuel (of Henry) married ________ (Who?). Any ideas? I believe if we consider Robert C. Carpenter's assessments above along with his previous statements, we would have to rule in favor of Samuel Carpenter, b. 1793 as being the son of Christopher. Bob Carpenter