Probably the son of William R. - see father's notes.
MARRIAGE: First United Methodist Church.
Notes for ETHEL A.NASH: She left 5 young children upon her death ,the youngest was 1 month old. Most went to foster homes. (info source:) Marjore S. ( Nash) Dresden,103 Kendale St. , Bowling Green,Kty 42103-3430.
28504. William Thomas Carpenter
This descendancy line submitted by Debra Carpenter dcarpen253@aol.com in May
1999.
This family line supplied by John L. Carpenter (born 1945) of NH. (11/96)
Frank was an accountant in Bellrose, LI, NY for Triboro Coach Bus Company ,Queens N.Y.
U.S. Citizen.
33265. Beatrice "Betty" Carpenter
Notes for BEATRICE CARPENTER:
BIRTH: Birth year not known. Month and day ok.
Also Known as " Betty"
1930 US Census indicates she was 5 yrs old and probably born in 1925
Marriage Notes for BEATRICE CARPENTER and RICHARD DANA:
1 REFN 5028
28508. Leslie Wilbur Carpenter
This family line supplied by John L. Carpenter (born 1945) of NH. (11/96)
33269. Carole Christine Carpenter
This family line supplied by John L. Carpenter (born 1945) of NH. (11/96)
Not in the Carpenter Family in America book (1901).
Information supplied by Barbara Elizabeth Kardos (no date).
She married twice. Her first husband died in World War two.
Residence: Elmont, LI, NY.
A musician before the war. He was in the U.S. Army when he died.
He is listed as "Dutch".
REF: 1910 census T-624-roll #678-Vol 91- ED #295-sheet #9A-page #219
dwelling #177-family #177-date of census May 10th, 1910
Census shows her father born in CT, mother born in NYREF: Birth certificate shows date of birth as August 13, 1882, father Edwin
Place, (age at last birth day was 25), mother Emma Carpenter
(age 21), documents that Pearl was their first child.She is buried in the Proctor family plot in Northview Cemetery, Dearborn, MI
Pearl, my grandmother, was from the Place family, who go back
to an American Indian grandmother (Eunice Josephine Long, and to
the John Aldin family who was one of the Mayflower founders.She was born in Petoskey, MI, her father, Edwin Ona Place had worked as a
lumerman during the white pine era. After the white pine had been cut over
her father moved into Petoskey and became a builder. He was involved in
building subdivision type homes. Some time after 1882 he moved his family
to CA. This lasted only one year, they moved back to MI,
purchasing property in Greenfield Township MI. He tried to do some farming
however was not a very good farmer, but apparently had sufficent money from
his home building in Petoskey that he could live on what he had saved.
This family line submitted by John E. Proctor (brn 1933) of Stillwell KS 4/96
REF: 1910 census T-624-roll #678-vol 91-ED #295-sheet #9A-page #219.
dwelling #177-family #177-date of census May 10th, 1910.
Census shows that his father was born in MI mother born in France.FARMS: lived on and worked by Harvey Peter Proctor from 1902 to 1944.
According to Stanley they usually moved by the first of April, this was due to
the fact that feed was running out by then and the spring planting season
was fast approching in that section of the country. Additionally farms
usually were sold in the spring of the year, Harvey would move onto a farm that
someone wanted to sell, stay that summer, or longer, then for whatever reason
could't or wouldn't pay the asking price, and then if the owner had a buyer
they would have to move to a new place.
Pommischackle1903 This is the farm where Stanley was born.
Louis 1904
Padgett 1905
Lathers 1906 Livonia Twp. Plymouth MI.
Truesdale 1908 Plymouth MI.
Smith 1910 Plymouth MI.
Miller 1911 west edge of Plymouth MI.
Murray 1912 Washtenaw Co half way between Plymouth and Ann Arbor
on a dirt trail, now called Curtus Rd. by McCormick lake.
Harvey tried to purchased this farm, but apparently
couldn't pay the full price. I have a contract showing
the price of this farm. Harvey paid $1,000.00 down, and
was to pay $5,000.00 in April of 1912, but apparently he
didn't have the money, they rented for 4 more years.They had
an Ann Arbor mailing address, across road was Plymouth RFD
Harvey had an attack of appendicitis in 1914, recovered in
a few days. Left Murray farm on April 1, 1916, moving to
the Bailey house, on Elm Street, in Trenton MI.
Bailey House 1916 Started a Watkins Liniment Route, this was at the prompting
of his father-in-law, Ed Place, that selling this line of
goods would be a good way to make a living. He never did
have any sucess in this endevour. This only lasted 1 yr.
In Jan 0f 1917, Ira Wilson (Harveys wifes brother in law)
gave him a milk route, as they, the Wilsons, had a large
farm, and had a contract from the Detroit Creamery Co. to
haul milk to the creamery from the stations where the
farmers brought it in. Harvey couldn't start on Jan. 1st
as he was still obligated to the Watkins line, so he hired
the hauling. The first of April, 1917, he finished that
effort and started driving the milk truck himself.
Tents (June 1917) Moved into tents, on Telegraph Road, one-half mile north of
Flat Rock, alongside the RR tracks. It was a wooded area
and Telegraph was then a sand and dirt road. They lived
there until September of 1917. The reason they had to do
this was because he couldn't find a house to live in. The
war was on and housing was so tight they couldn't get a
place to live. (This related by Stanley)
Halls house 1917 Harvey moved the family into this house in September
It was on Huron River Drive, halfway between Flat Rock and
Rockwood. He hauled milk and was doing well, until Jan. 1
of 1918, when a creamery opened up in Monroe, and they took
half of his load. He kept going until April, in mid April
he had a bad attack of apendicitis he wouldn't go to the
hospital, even though the doctor told him he would die. It
broke in a few days, and he was taken to the hospital.
Stanley had to drive the milk truck for a week, until
Harveys wife, Pearl, could make arrangments to have the
truck driven by a neighboring farmer. Harvey was in the
hospital for three weeks, and returned home. The First
World War was going on then and he went down to the Detroit
Ship Building Co, Wyandotte, and got a job as a watchman.
He was still not fully recovered, but could set down and
check the men in and out on this job. He did this for 3
months (received .50 cents per hour), then got a job
maintaing and coaling the steam cranes and locomotives.
He worked from 11:00 PM until 7:00 AM and got paid .70
cents per hour, this was a top wage in the shipyard. He
worked there until April of 1920. He had moved to the
Knight farm in 1919, but didn't do any farming, as Stanley
was by then old enough to do most of the work necessary.
Knight 1919 George Knight farm two miles west of Trenton on West Road
VanSickle 1921 George VanSickle farm on 6 mi. rd. one mile east of Salem MI
It was on this farm that Stanley found many Indian
artifacts, in a field having a large maple tree, he found
many of them under this tree.
Mason 1925 Mason farm on Townline road which is now Joy Road, just
around the corner from the Murray farm that he had once
tried to purchase. On Jan. 1st of 1929, Stanley left this
farm and went to MI State Agricultural College to
enroll in the Short Course of Agriculture, which was a 2
year course in Agriculture.
Munn 1929 Hershel Munn farm on Six mile road one mile west of Salem.
Spaulding 1932 On the Chelsea Manchester Road, now M-52.
Lamming 1935 On Kemner road, north of Manchester
Occidental 1941 On M-50, one mile west of Tecumseh
HOME 1944 Final home, built a house just north of Manchester, on
corner of an 80 acre farm. He never farmed it, was working
as a carpenter, and then was injured in an auto accident,
in 1947, and then quit work alltogether. Subquently sold
the land, retaing a few acres along the road and a small
wooded area, approx. 14 acres. This is now the site of
the Manchester Bank.Harvey was killed in a single vehicle auto accident. He went off the road in
a curve near Grass Lake and was killed. The family did not want an atopsy, at
that time it was not manditory, so none was preformed. There was disagreement
however as to why he died. Some felt that another car, that didn't stop, ran
him off the road, others felt he had a heart attack, while others felt that he
may have been going too fast and couldn't take the curve. No one knows!
Vera was born at Samuel Proctors (her grandfather) farm, he was then living on
Ford road, Plymouth, on March 26, 1907. The Harvey Proctor family was then
living on the Truesdale farm.My father, Stanley, never told me how Vera died, but I was told by Aunt
Florence that it was in child birth.
Her husband, Harold Carley, had wanted to take
her into the hospital but her father, my grandfather Harvey Proctor, exerted
enough control that he didn't do it. She apparently died at birth in the
home. Grandpa Proctor, Harvey, blamed Harold for her death and appar-
ently some very harsh words were exchanged. Harold left soon after the funeral
and was never heard from again according to Stanley and Aunt Florence. I never
heard any reference to Harold Carley aside from this information from Aunt
Florence, and no one talked very much about Aunt Vera.
Harvey, her father, had her maiden name (Proctor), placed on the tombstone and
wouldn't recognize her husband Harold. Harold later moved back to Canada where
he was from, no one ever admitted they heard for him again although Aunt
Florence had his death date.
They were married May 1, 1929 in Salem, Washtenaw MI
Harold Carley married Vera Mae Proctor on May 1, 1929, in Salem, MI
For all practical purposes no one admits ever hearing of Harold
after Veras death. Aunt Florence seemed to have some knowldge about him. It
would seem appropate that with Vera being Florences older sister, 3 or 4 years
apart, that they may have been close enough so that when she died, Florence
kept in touch with Harold Carley, but wouldn't admit it to anyone? Who knows?
except Aunt Florence, see her notes for clues.
Born November 11, 1923, when family was living on the George VanSickle farm,
located on Six mile road, one mile east of Salem, Mi.Harvey was called Junior
by everyone, and I can remember him as he was the youngest and would always
play with me and other cousins when we visited Grandma and Grandpa Proctor.
He drowned in the Manchester mill pond the week before he was to graduate from
high school, May 16, 1943. He had been out in a boat with two other boys fool-
around in the water. No one knew why, but the boat turned over and Jr. coundn't
swim well enough in the very cold water and he never made it the 30 or 40 yards
to shore.
He is buried in the Proctor and Place family plot in Northview Cemetary,
Dearborn MI.This family line submitted by John E. Proctor (brn 1933) of Stillwell KS 4/96
Flora married George Maynard on April 16th, 1913 in Plymouth MI
In his memories Stanley Proctor relates that during the winters of 1925/26 &
1926/27 he and his girlfriend, Lucile Latson, went to visit Aunt Flora and
Uncle George. Stanley was going to MAC at that time taking Agriculture Short
Courses. They lived on a farm about six miles from East Lansing, on Grand
River Avenue. "Aunt Flora loved to eat fish, but Uncle George wouldn't eat
them. Occasionally Sunt Flora would invite Lucile and I over for a fish
dinner. We always had a good time with them."