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Descendants of William Carpenter of Providence (Pawtuxet section, now in Cranston), Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, now part of Providence County, RI

Notes

439. Isaac Carpenter

ISAAC the 2nd, IS LISTED AS # 11-2 TIMOTHY CARPENTER DESCENDANTS. HE MARRIED
JANE PURDY, SISTER OF PETER PURDY. JANE HAD 8 KIDS OF WHICH ONLY 4 ARE LISTED.
ISAAC WAS DEVISED 5 SHILLINGS FROM HIS FATHER'S WILL 4 DEC 1787 AND PROBATED
15 FEB 1806. ISAAC SETTLED AT "AUSTIN FARM" AND MOVED WITH BROTHER JOSIAH TO
CHAUTAUQUA COUNTY, N.Y. ABOUT 1816. PROBABLY PURCHASED ORIGINAL TRACT (T-1,
R-13, LOT 8) IN HARMONY TWP IN FEB. 1816.

A reunion record indicates that Jane was a sister to a Peter Purdy. An old
record indicates daughter Phebe was 10 to 15 years older than Israel (second
son), that Anderson was the eldest son and Abraham was the youngest.
Isaac had 8 children, only four names given however.
8209001 24 BATCH AND SHEET 0884787 LIBRARY CALL NUMBER

HARMONY & NORTH HARMONY
This synopsis incompasses both Harmony and North Harmony.
HARMONY was taken off from Chautauqua, Feb 14, 1816. A part of Busti was taken
off in 1823. It comprised townships 1 and 2 in range 13, together with two
tiers of lots in townships 1 and 2 in range 12, from PA line to Chautauqua
Lake, and two additional lots in township 2, 12th range, south of the lake,
which included the village of Ashville. Making it the largest town in the county.
NORTH HARMONY was taken off from Harmony on Jan 1, 1919. Due to this late date.
The pioneer information of these two towns remains combined for this synopsis.
Original Purchases in Harmony- Township 1, Range 13.
1811. Israel Carpenter, 8.
1816. Isaac Carpenter, 47. Elijah Terry, 7. Zaccheus Hurbut, 7.
1817. Clark C. Carpenter, 31. Joel Powers, 16.
1823. Cyrenus Glass, 23. David Tierce, 23. David Preston, 15. Elihu Carpenter,
28. Almon Lewis, 15.

LAND: See brother Josiah's notes under LAND:

1006. Phebe Carpenter

Number 50-3 in the Timothy Carpenter book.

440. James Carpenter

BOOK- GENEOLOGY: Charles Lorain Carpenter, Rear Admiral, USN-Ret.,
THE DESCENDANTS OF TIMOTHY CARPENTER OF PITTSTOWN, RENSSELAER CO., NEW YORK.
Published 1976 - 200 copies By: The News-Journal - P.O. Box 398 Machias, Maine
04654. Page 87. JAMES listed as 12-2.
Will: JAMES was devised 5 shillings in accordance of his father's will,
dated Dec. 4, 1787 and probated Feb. 15, 1806.
He married SUSANNA SUTHERLAND on or before 1772, with offspring. There
are various spellings of "SUSANNA". I am using the spelling used on her will
executed April 19, 1812 and probated at Troy, N.Y. on Sept. 13, 1813.
SEE: 8209001 24 BATCH AND SHEET NUMBER / 0884787 LIBRARY CALL NUMBER.

LAND: See brother Josiah's notes under LAND:

Susanna Sutherland

BOOK- GENEOLOGY: Charles Lorain Carpenter, Rear Admiral, USN-Ret.,
THE DESCENDANTS OF TIMOTHY CARPENTER OF PITTSTOWN, RENSSELAER CO., NEW YORK.
Published 1976 - 200 copies By: The News-Journal - P.O. Box 398 Machias, Maine
04654. Page 87.

WILL- SUSANNA'S will was executed on 19 April 1812 and probated at Troy, N.Y.,
13 Sept. 1813 (Vol. 4, Pg. 419, courthoouse at Troy); friends NATHAN NICHOLS,
JOONATHAN HALL AND HANNAH MOSHER were named executors. The will mentions
second son FRANCIS, third son SILAS and his wife PHEBE, and youngest son, ELIHU
and his wife, PATIENCE. Witnesses were ABRAHAM MOSHER, JONATHAN HALL and
HANNAH MOSHER. Troy Monthly Meeting records indicate SUSANNA was very active
in the women's affairs there. Some old records list her husband as JANE S.
instead of JAMES.

1010. Elizabeth Carpenter

#58 in T. Carpenter book.

1012. Margaret Carpenter

#60 in the T. Carpenter book.

1016. James Carpenter

#64 in the T. Carpenter book.

443. Phebe Carpenter

PHEBE is listed as # 15-3 in the book TIMOTHY CARPENTER DESCENDANTS. She
married PETER PURDY in 1767. PHEBE is listed as PHOEBE in several old records.
PURDY issue listed on page 140. SEE 8209001 25 BATCH AND SHEET NUMBER then
0884787 LIBRARY CALL NUMBER.

PHEBE was devised 5 shillings in accordance with her father's will, dated
12-4-1787 and probated 2-15-1806 inn Troy, N.Y.

Peter Purdy

PETER PURDY'S will, executed 2-2-1815 and probated 5-25-1816, is on file at
Troy, N.Y. (Vol. 5, P.322). Son JAMES was named executor; will mentions wife,
PHEBE, sons STEPHEN, SILAS, JAMES & JOSIAH (deceased), and married daughters
BETSEY (SLY) & HANNAH (PURDY); witnesses were WILLIAM AUSTIN, NATHAN NICHOLAS
and NICHOLAS EYCLESHMEN.

1017. Elizabeth Purdy

ELIZABETH married a Mr. SLY. NFD - 1976.

1020. Hannah Purdy

HANNAH married a Mr. PURDY, a relative. NFD - 1976.

1023. James Purdy

JAMES is recorded to have died 2-4-1870 on page 140 of the T. Carpenter book.
However, on the same page it indicates he is deceased before 2-2-1815 per his
father's will.
On page 56 of the same record, under 244-4, "In the 1860 census is an uncle,
James Purdy, age 80."

445. Josiah Carpenter

BATCH 8209001 SHEET 25, LCN FOR SOURCE DOCUMENT 0884787
Number 17-2 in the Timothy Carpenter book.
PROBATE-FATHER: JOSIAH WAS NAMED ONE OF THREE EXECUTORS OF HIS FATHER'S
(TIMOTHY) WILL, DATED 12-4-1787 AND PROBATED 2-15-1806. JOSIAH WAS DEVISED
THE SOUTH-WESTERN PORTION OF HIS FATHERS FARM, ACCORDING TO METES AND BOUNDS
SET FORTH IN THE WILL.

OCCUPATION: JOSIAH SERVED IN THE REVOLUNTIONARY WAR ON TWO OCCASIONS. THE
NATIONAL ARCHIVES, WASHINGTON, D.C., AND THE HISTORICAL SECTION, NEW YORK STATE
ARCHIVES, ALBANY, CONTAIN DATA INDICATING HE WAS A PRIVATE IN CAPT. CORNELIUS
WILTSE'S CO., COL. YATES' 14TH ALBANY REGT., FORMED FROM THE
HOOSICK-SCHAGHTICOKE AREA. A MUSTER ROLL DATED 3-27-1780 SHOWED HE SERVED FROM
3-25-1780 TO 3-27-1780. ANOTHER MUSTER IN 1785 (DATE BURNED OFF) INDICATED HE
RECEIVED A PAY CERTIFICATE FOR SIX SHILLINGS, TEN PENCE.

NOTE: JAMES' PERSONAL BILE IN POSSESION OF MRS. VERNITA (GREEN) KVASHAY
OF SUGARTOWN, PA IN 1964, WHICH CONTAINED VITAL DATA.
Copy of which is microfilmed; 913,004 CARPENTER FAMILY Item 2: Vol. 140 New
York State - Page 29. The following diferences are noted: 1) JOSIAH born 10
April 1756 instead of 20 April, 2) SARAH born 11 Mar 1766 instead of 12 Mar,
3) Son DANIEL spelled DANNEL, 4) ISAAC born 11 Feb 1793 instead 10 Feb, 5)
Daughter JAMINA spelled JAMIMA C. born 7 Jun 1795 instead of 4 Jun, and
6) SALLY born 10 Apr 1802 instead 16 Apr.

PROBATE: JOSIAH'S WILL EXECUTED 12-15-1815 AND PROBATED 11-27-1819 AT
MAYVILLE, N.Y..

BOOK- GENEALOGY: Charles Lorain Carpenter, Rear Admiral, USN-Ret.,
THE DESCENDANTS OF TIMOTHY CARPENTER OF PITTSTOWN, RENSSELAER CO., NEW YORK.
Published 1976 - 200 copies By: The News-Journal - P.O. Box 398 Machias, Maine
04654. - JOSIAH is listed as 17-2. Much detailed information in that record.

See also 913,004 Carpenter Family, Item 2: Vol. 140 - Page 29 (NY State) which
has microfilmed bible records of Josiah's family.

Harmony History from web site:
at:http://www.rootsweb.com/~nychauta/HISTORY/HISTORY.HTM
CARPENTER family- Josiah came from Pittstown, Rensselaer Co., NY in 1808 and
bought 1,000 acres. He bought Lots 55,56, 64 lying from 1-2 miles Southwest from Ashville. His son James settled on part (lot 56) of this land in 1808- James and young wife stayed first in Thomas Bemus cabin, where son was born that year- first birth in town. In 1811, Josiah returned and built a home on Lot 64. He came with with 4 sons- Daniel B., Isaac, Josiah Jr, and Timothy- his 7 daus md respectively: Israel Carpenter, Orange Phelps,
Gilbert Ward, Oliver Pier, Samuel Green and Henry Hosier- Mary was unmarried.
MORE:
The first town meeting for election of officers was held in 1816- No record of
those elected is available. Although Palmer Phillips is recorded as
representing town at suprvisors meetings.
On April 1, 1817 the following were elected officers:
Supervisor- Palmer Phillips Town Clerk- Orange Phelps Assessors- Wm. Matteson,
Daniel B. Carpenter, Joseph S. Pember. Com'rs of Highways- Palmer Phillips,
Wm. Matteson, D.B. Carpenter. Com'rs of Schools- Palmer Phillips, Joseph
Pember, Orange Phelps. Collector- Wm. Matteson Jr. Canstables- Noah Chapman,
Wm. Matteson Jr. Overseers of Poor- Obadiah Morely, Israel Carpenter. Pound
Masters- Wm. Matteson, Israel Carpenter, Josiah Palmeter. Fence Viewers-
Thomas Bemus, Nicholas Webber, Timothy Jenner. Sealer- Jonas Lamphear.
The first saw-mill was built by Reuben Slayton Jr. in Ashville, in 1811- to
which a grist-mill was soon added. Israel Carpenter, with Oliver Pier and
Stephen Groom built about 1820 a saw-mill and grist-mill at Blockville. A saw-mill was built
around 1825 by Francis W. Mather- 3 miles south of Panama. Isaac Carpenter
built a mill in 1828 a mile below Blockville. A saw-mill was also built by Harvey and
Theron Bly in 1847 on Goose Creek.

LAND:
http://matteson.us/mattesons_in_chautauqua_ny.shtml
HARMONY
Original Purchases in Harmony.—Township 1, Range 13. ... ...Township 1, Range 12.1808. July, Josiah Carpenter, 55, 56, 64....1823. December, Silas Carpenter, 54. Isaac Foster, 54.1825. October, Reuben Benedict, 63. November, Truman Terry, 62. December, Heman S. Matteson, 62. Josiah Carpenter, 61....
The earliest settlements in the town of Harmony, were made in that part of it which lies in the 12th range. The first settlement in this town is said, in the State Gazetteer, to have been made by Reuben Slayton, from Otsego Co., in 1806, on lot 43; Daniel B. Carpenter, the same year, on lot 64:Jonathan Cheney, on lot 52, in 1807; Theron Bly, from Otsego Co., on lot 44, and Wm. Matteson on lot 52, both in 181 1; and James Carpenter on lot 56, in 1816. This statement is not only very indefinite, but in nearly every particular incorrect. There are in Harmony three lots with each of the numbers 43, 44, 52, 56, and 64, namely: one in each of the two entire townships in range 13, and one in the strip from range 12. The dates of settlement, above mentioned, are believed to be misstated in the case of every person named, except one. (Pg. 431)
In 1810, came Thomas Matteson; also Wm. Matteson, Jr., and his brother Estys, who were followed in 1811 by their father, Wm. Matteson, Sr., who died in 1858, in his 99th year. He was the last surviving Revolutionary pensioner in this county; having served, when quite young, during the last two years of the war. His son Victor M.[Matteson], and daughter Mehetabel, [ne Matteson] widow of Isaac Carpenter, are the only surviving children living in this county. _ James Carpenter, as will be seen hereafter, came seven years earlier than the year stated in the Gazetteer. (Pg. 432)
In the east part of the town. . . John H. Matteson settled on lot 62, near where his son Elisha [Matteson] resides. (Pg. 433)
The annual town-meeting was held at Eleazar Fletcher's, April 1, 1817,when the following officers were elected: Supervisor��Palmer Phillips. Town Clerk—Orange Phelps. Assessors— Wm. Matteson, Daniel B. Carpenter, Joseph S. Pember. Cofn'rs of Highways— Palmer Phillips, Wm. Matteson, Daniel B. Carpenter. Corners of Schools—Palmer Phillips, Joseph S. Pember, Orange Phelps. Collector— Wm. Matteson, Jr. Constables—Noah Chapman, Wm. Matteson, Jr. Over-seers of Poor—Obadiah Morley, Israel Carpenter. Poundmasters— Wm. Matteson, Israel Carpenter, Josiah Palmeter. Fence Viewers—Thomas Bemus, Nicholas Webber, Timothy Jenner. Sealer—Jonas Lamphear. (Pg. 436)

Sarah Benedict

SARAH DID NOT MARRY A JOESPH CARPENTER BUT JOSIAH CARPENTER.
SOME RECORDS LIST 14 MAR AS BIRTH DATE BUT JOSIAH'S BIBLE LISTS IT AS 12 MAR.
Checking microfilmed Bible has the date as 11 Mar 1766. 12 Mar may be calandar adjusted.

SARAH DIED BEFORE HER HUSBAND'S WILL WAS PROBATED 11-27-1819 AT MAYVILLE
NY. (VOL. "ZERO" OF MISCELLANEOUS RECORDS. P. 78)- 12-15-1815 WILL WRITTEN
*** SEE PAGE 103 OF TIMOTHY CARPENTER DESCENDANTS

SARAH WAS A DAUGHTER OF THOMAS AND JANE (GUNN) BENEDICT. HER FATHER WAS A
BAPTIST MINISTER. SEE BENEDICT GENEALOGY, PAGE 67.

1028. Mary Carpenter

MARY IS LIVING WITH HER BROTHER (Daniel) BENEDICT (# 75) IN THE HARMONY 1850 CENSUS OF
NEW YORK. 1855 CENSUS LISTS HER AGE AS 65 AND BORN IN RENSSELAER COUNTY.
BURIED IN THE SAMUEL GREEN PLOT IN PIONEER CEM.
Number 76-3 in the Timothy Carpenter book.
!8212607 3 BATCH AND SHEET NUMBER
0884810 LIBRARY CALL NUMBER
Microfilm 913,004 item 2, pg 29 (Carpenter Bible) gives birth date as
4 Mar 1790.
CENSUS: 1860 US Census - Living with brother Daniel B. Carpenter. Both siblings would die within a year.

446. Mahab Carpenter

MAHAB is number 18-2 in the book TIMOTHY CARPENTER DESCENDANTS. She married
WILLIAM STANTON and had children. WILLIAM STANTON is NOT listed in the STANTON
GENEOLOGY.
MAHAB was devised 5 shillings in accordance with her father's will, dated
12-4-1787 and probated 2-15-1806. Family Tradition records her son BENJAMIN
STANTON probably was the grandfather of EDWIN STANTON, President LINCOLN'S
Secretary of War. Research (1976) on the STANTON line does not substantiate
this family folklore.

William Stanton

SEE WIFE'S NOTES.

1038. Carpenter Stanton

Yes, this person was known as CARPENTER STANTON.

1039. Stanton Stanton

Yes, Really! This person was known as STANTON STANTON. I had a hard time
accepting it also.

448. Jeremiah Carpenter

This line updated by John Larid via email < johnlarid9@aol.com > in May 2013.

2013 UPDATE. See 25 May 2013 email below and Carpenter Executive Summary also below.

SEE: Under Articles subfolder & BOOK: Timothy Carpenter's Descendants - Jeremiah Carpenter 2013 Update:

RIN 0065 Jeremiah Carpenter - Family_Chronicle_Article_draft.doc

SEE: Under BOOKS subfolder - Timothy Carpenter's Descendants - Jeremiah Carpenter 2013 Update:

Jeremiah Carpenter Register Report - Jan 27 2013.jpg (See below also)

2014 UPDATE: With the TC Descendants book, under the subfolder JC 2013 Update is the final Family Chronicle article and Reister report. See E-MAIL dated 3 May 2014 below.

JEREMIAH is listed as 19-2 TIMOTHY CARPENTER DESCENDANTS. He married a JANE SHEARS who died prior to 1810. SECOND MARRIAGE to MRS. MARY HARMON, A WIDOW.

Issue by first wife only. The widow had one child (ELIOT) from her previous marriage.
He was devised the remainder of his father's estate, as to moveables, as per will dated 4 DEC 1787 and probated at Troy, N.Y. on 15 FEB 1806.

He served in the Revolutionary War with the 14th Albany Regt. of NY. The REVOLTIONARY WAR APPLICATION on record is in the files of the NATIONAL ARCHIVES in WASHINGTON DC, but he died before receiving final action.

Page 95 lists his service record and attempts by his widows to collect a War pension. He resided in Wales, Erie county since 1818 to be near his sons and probably died there.
JEREMIAH'S gravestone was in a deterioated, undecipherable condition in 1968 when visited by the compiler of T. Carpenter Descendants, and even worse condition in 1974.

His gravesite is being registered with the National Cemetery System, Veterans Administration, Washington, D.C. 20420, in an attempt to obtain a new grave marker for the site. Please see Page 94 and 95 for more details (in the T. Carpenter book).

E-MAIL: Thu, 11 Jan 2001
From: "bonbon"
Dear John:
I just noticed that you mentioned that your CD is in the final stage. I
had no idea you were that far along. I would appreciate it very much if
you would make a comment in my lineage. As you know I have found some
errors in Charles L. Carpenter's book "Descendants of Timothy Carpenter."
I sent you one of the corrections. I am still working on the next
generation. My line goes as follows:
                       1) Bonnie J. Shanklin Huser
                       2) Mary J. Carpenter Shanklin
                       3) Frank Carpenter
                       4) William Carpenter
                       5) William Carpenter
                       6) Jeremiah Carpenter (possibly). I am still working on this line.
I have proven that (#5) William Carpenter migrated to Wales, Erie Co., New
York from Pompey, Onondago Co., New York in 1811. He was the first
Carpenter to purchased land from the Holland Land Company and settle in the
Wales area. I have proof up to this transaction. However, I also believe
that Charles L. Carpenter has many mistakes in that next generation. I
have about 30 wills for all the Carpenters in the Wales, Erie Co., NY area.
I believe my William is the son of Jeremiah Carpenter. In William, Sr.'s
probate will there is mention of Abraham Carpenter, Harriet Carpenter,
Lydia Carpenter, Joseph Carpenter, and George W. Carpenter.
Would you please note in this generation there are possible errors if you
are using the data from Charles L. Carpenter's book.
Thanking you. Please advise. Bonnie Huser.

E-MAIL2:
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 8:37 PM
Subject: [CARPENTER] Sylvanus Carpenter
> The post to the Carpenter list yesterday by Jack Frosty about the ancestry of
> Sylvanus Carpenter, cites past sources that list three possible fathers for
> him -- Jeremiah, Joseph, or Copeland Carpenter, all listed as sons of
> Jeremiah Carpenter, son of Timothy Carpenter of Pittstown in Rensselaer
> County, New York -- featured in the Charles Lorain Carpenter book about
> Timothy and his descendants. Yesterday's post suggests that while Sylvanus
> was originally listed as a descendant of Joseph, he now should be considered
> possibly a descendant of Copeland -- as Joseph and Jeremiah Jr. don't seem to
> fit.
>
> I am a descendant of Joseph, who died in 1869 in McHenry County, Illinois.
> Joseph left a will that does not include Sylvanus -- but does list nine other
> children still living at the time of his death. Jeremiah Jr., shown in New
> York through the 1855 state census and was in Fillmore County, Minnesota by
> the 1860 federal census -- and appears to have had three sons, Warren, Niles,
> and William. Sylvanus never appears to have been with him. The only
> Copeland Carpenter shown in New York records is John Copeland Carpenter, son
> of Jeremiah Sr.'s son George W., born about 1823. The only one of his three
> known children that was a son was Henry, born ca 1856. Sylvanus does not
> appear to be tied into this line. All of Jeremiah's male children seem to
> have moved to Erie County by the 1820's from Onondaga County, New York -- and
> there is no Solomon, listed as Sylvanus' father, in this line.
>
> The Charles L. Carpenter book is, with regard to Copeland and Niles being
> sons of the original Jeremiah, quite probably in error. There is no record
> of either in any New York records that place them at an age that would make
> them old enough to be sons of Jeremiah. Copeland was Jeremiah's grandson by
> George W., and Niles was his grandson by Jeremiah, Jr. I have text notes on
> these families if anyone is interested, and believe that Sylvanus must be of
> another entire Carpenter line. I'd be happy to consider any alternative
> theories about what I've said, but I believe it's the best analysis of the
> facts I have. I'm pleased it was brought up on the list, because there's
> been no where to post this information about this issue.
> John Laird

E-MAIL3:
From: johnlaird9 >
To: jrcrin001 >
Sent: Sat, May 25, 2013 2:43 pm
Subject: Carpenter Update
John - I have been in touch with you over the years, as I descend from the Timothy Carpenter line through his son - the Revolutionary War veteran Jeremiah Carpenter - who lived in Dutchess, Rennselear, Onondaga, and Erie Counties in New York from 1760 to his death in 1840. Charles L. Carpenter's book on Timothy Carpenter and descendants, and some records submitted also for your Carpenter encyclopedia, are not correct as to Jeremiah's family. You responded to one of my requests to correct the record by indicating that only completing a GEDCOM file would do the trick.
I, and two other Carpenter researchers, have done just that. The Register Report is attached for Jeremiah, his correct children, and the next four generations. There is also an executive summary on the proving of the children. There is also a companion document - not attached - that has 225 pages of the raw documentation, the recording of every known record for those early generations.
I would hope that you would include the attached documents in any future Carpenter encyclopedias. The incorrect information is all over the internet, and I am going to try some ways to see if we can get the correct version out. Any advice you have would be welcomed. This is a truly monumental research effort, and one that has followed the best practices in researching and presenting the information. Thanks for your consideration. I would be happy to answer any questions.
John Laird
Santa Cruz, CA
CARPENTER EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:
Jeremiah Carpenter Revolutionary War Veteran and His Family -
Executive Summary
Overview.
Jeremiah Carpenter was a Revolutionary War veteran from New York who lived from 1760 to 1840 in Duchess, Rensselear, Onondaga, and Erie Counties in New York. He was one of the children of Timothy Carpenter and Elizabeth Anderson - who descended from early Carpenters in Massachusetts and Rhode Island.
Jeremiah was chronicled in the 1976 book that Charles Lorain Carpenter compiled, “The Descendants of Timothy Carpenter of Pittstown, Rensselaer County, New York”, a valuable genealogical resource. However, the book is not correct about the ages and members of Jeremiah’s family, but has been picked up without question and posted on Internet and family tree websites. This summary will briefly set forth the facts contained in a long companion research document that proves the correct members of Jeremiah’s family - a family that is different from that listed in the Charles L. Carpenter book.
Linking Jeremiah to his children is difficult because Jeremiah left no probate, he was not in any property transactions in the last twenty-five years of his life, there is no marriage record that appears to exist for either of his marriages, his revolutionary war pension record lists only his second wife Mary and mentions none of his children, and he lived during a time when U. S. census records did not name people but only listed them by age.
This necessitates more focused research using any fact that can be gleaned from other sources. These sources suggest five known children for Jeremiah - with the link for each based on unique sets of facts. There is a likelihood of as many as four additional female children - who could have married and remain unknown because of the absence of marriage and probate records for Jeremiah and his family members.
This summary seeks to briefly demonstrate the facts on who Jeremiah’s children really were. A much longer text document compiles all available information from census, probate, marriage, property, cemetery, and other records - starting with Rev. War veteran Jeremiah Carpenter and his children, with an especially large section on his son Joseph and family, my ancestral line. Information will also be listed about Carpenters in the immediate areas where our Carpenters were, with the presumption that some can eventually be placed with the family somehow, or used to separate them from our own if that is the case. There is also a brief section on Jeremiah's ancestry.
I also have been in touch with other Carpenter descendants who are researching this line, and they have been incredibly skilled and helpful in this research. I have mentioned them in the narrative for the contributions they had made, and for where they connect.
Proving Jeremiah’s Children
The place to start this discussion is with the Charles Lorain Carpenter book on the descendants of Jeremiah’s father, Timothy Carpenter. Charles L. Carpenter lists ten children for Jeremiah. He lists eight children by name: Jeremiah Jr. (1783); Joseph (1785); Copeland (1787); Niles (1789); John (1791); William R. (1793); Nancy (1795); and George Washington (February 2, 1801). He listed a ninth unknown female as born in 1797, and a tenth child with no gender or birth year listed.
I believe there are five known children of Jeremiah and Jane - Nancy, William, Joseph Jeremiah Jr., and George W. Based on later census and tombstone information where it exists - Nancy was born ca 1782/83; William ca 1784; Joseph ca 1789/1790; Jeremiah Jr. ca 1795/1798; and George W. ca 1800/1801. There are as many as four other unnamed female children.
It is safe to assume that any children that Jeremiah and Jane had who lived past childbirth were listed in the 1790, 1800, 1810, or 1820 censuses. Jeremiah and Jane probably married in the 1780 time frame, and Jane was dead by Jeremiah’s remarriage ca 1816. I’ll recount those four censuses:
1790. Jeremiah Carpenter is shown in Pittstown, then in Albany County, in the 1790 census with one male over sixteen (Jeremiah), two under sixteen (Joseph and William), and three females (Jane, Nancy, and an unidentified third female).
1800. The 1800 census listing for Jeremiah (shown as “Jedediah” in the actual record) in Pompey, Onondaga County shows a man and woman between twenty-six and forty-five (Jeremiah and Jane); one female between sixteen and twenty-six (Nancy); two males and one female between ten and sixteen (Joseph, William, and one unknown female); and two females and one male under ten (Jeremiah Jr. and two unknown females).
1810. The 1810 census listing for Jeremiah in Pompey, Onondaga County, shows one man and one woman over the age of forty-five (Jeremiah and Jane), one woman between sixteen and twenty-six (Nancy reportedly had a son in December, so was probably married and out of the house - she was over twenty-six this year, so this appears to be one of the unknown girls from 1800), one man and one woman between ten and sixteen (Jeremiah Jr. and the other unknown girl from 1810), and one boy and one girl each under the age of ten George W. and unknown girl). William and Joseph had their own entries in the 1810 census. I have yet to find a listing for Pardon Case and Nancy in this census - but as stated it is likely they were out of this house, and their three person family in this year does not fit into this census entry.
1820. Jeremiah Carpenter is shown in the 1820 census in Wales, in Niagara County (pre-Erie County, Erie was formed in this location in 1821), with a man over forty-five (Jeremiah), a woman between twenty-six and forty-five (second wife Mary, who was born ca 1793-94 according to her 1854 pension filing), one man and one woman between sixteen and twenty-six (George W. and unknown woman), and two boys under ten (Elliot, Mary’s son, and unknown second boy). William, Jeremiah Jr. and Joseph - as well as Pardon Case and Nancy - each have their own entries nearby in the 1820 census.
These census entries together with facts from other records clearly identify the five children of Jeremiah and Jane:
1) Nancy is linked by a number of researchers, and is shown in Erie County in the 1855 census with a Carpenter, her son was named Jeremiah (and according to Charles Carpenter he was named Jeremiah Carpenter Case), one of her two daughters was named Jane (her mother’s name) and her county of birth was shown in a census record as Rensselaer.
2) William was in Erie and Onondaga Counties at the right place and time. His 1810 Onondaga census entry is with a cluster with our Carpenters. George W. Carpenter’s 1882 obituary shows that he walked from Pompey to Wales ca 1813 and lived with his brother William there until 1822. William was in a deed with a nephew of Jeremiah in 1816 in pre-Erie Niagara County. His wife Polly is shown with him in the 1816 deed. Philo lists his father’s birth (John Carpenter, oldest son of William) as in Pompey Hill in 1808, placing this William there. William died intestate in 1827 in Erie County, listing widow Polly and five children. His wife Polly Carpenter remarried Stephen Searles, as stated in his obituary years later. Stephen is shown to have two stepchildren, Lydia and William. The death certificates of both in Michigan list William Carpenter and Polly Cobb as their parents. John Carpenter, son of William, is shown in the 1830 census in Erie County next to Stephen Searles.
3) Joseph’s 1869 will in McHenry County, Illinois ties him to nine children. His daughter Viletta, tied to him by his will, died in Illinois in 1879 where her death record lists that she was born in Pompey, Onondaga County, New York in 1814. Joseph’s oldest son was named Jeremiah, and showed Onondaga County as the County of his birth. Joseph was listed as his father Jeremiah’s agent in 1818. Joseph is listed in deed records with fellow family members in Erie County. A biography of Joseph’s son David in a Wisconsin county history lists his father as Joseph and places him outside of Buffalo in 1827 when David was born, where Joseph was shown next to his son-in-law Squire Blodgett in the 1840 Erie Co. census. Joseph also married Caroline Case, and it is possible that she was the sister of the Case who married Nancy - indicating that it is possible a brother and a sister married a brother and a sister. Joseph and Carolina Carpenter are shown signing deeds by these names - both in Erie County and in McHenryCounty, IL.
4) Jeremiah Jr. is linked by name, records with family members, and proximity was listed in the 1855 Erie County census as having prior residence in Onondaga County.
5) George W. is shown as son of Jeremiah in a biography of his son. He is also in the right locations with other Carpenters in other records.
The census entries of 1790 through 1820 for Jeremiah match the above five children.
The only issue not completely resolved with the census entries is the issue of the unknown women in these early census entries of Jeremiah. There is an extra female in the 1790 entry, although it could have been a sister or mother to either Jeremiah or Jane as that year’s census listing did not list ages for women. In 1800, there was an unknown female between ten and sixteen (which is of the age to be the extra female of 1790); and two unknown females under the age of ten. In 1810, there is an unknown woman between sixteen and twenty-six, and an unknown girl under the age of ten - the older one being of the age to have been one of the unknown females in 1800. In 1820, there is an unknown woman between sixteen and twenty-six, old enough to be the unknown younger female from 1810. The fact that there were three unidentified females together at once in the 1800 census, and one in 1810 that had been born since 1800, means that there were at least four female children in this family in addition to daughter Nancy.
[By numbering the unknown females and matching them to the census entries, and making Nancy “Girl 1” - Girl 2 was born before 1790 and shown in 1790 and 1800; Girl 3 was born between 1790 and 1800 and was shown in 1800; Girl 4 was born between 1790 and 1794, and was shown in 1800 and 1810; and Girl 5 was born between 1800 and 1804, and was shown in 1810 and 1820. Given that the last known male child was born ca 1800/1801, the ages of these unknown daughters fit with the other children’s ages. These ages also generally fit with the women marrying and leaving the household, rather than dying. So it is likely that there were other related families that were in the vicinity of Jeremiah and the identified children.]
Once it is established that these are the five identified children of Jeremiah, we can work back through their census entries to identify their ages. Nancy was listed in censuses in 1850 and after place her birth year as 1781 or 1782. William’s census entries with Jeremiah and in 1810 and 1820 would place his birth year about 1784. Joseph’s census records in 1850 or after place his birth year as 1789 or 1790. Jeremiah Jr.’s future census records put his birth year in the 1795/1798 range. George W.’s son’s biography lists George W. Sr.’s birth year as 1800, but other records suggest 1801.
Now that the children of Jeremiah have been identified, placed in birth order, and assigned general dates for their birth - this family can be compared to the family that Charles L. Carpenter listed.
Charles listed Niles and Copeland as sons of Jeremiah. They were not. John C. (Copeland) was born June 1, 1823 and was a son of George W. Carpenter and grandson of Jeremiah Sr. (Charles has an entry for both Copeland and John Copeland, even though they were one person in the grandchild generation); Niles was born in May 1825, a son of Jeremiah Jr. and grandson of Jeremiah Carpenter Sr.
Charles listed John Carpenter as a son of Jeremiah. There were two John Carpenters in the Erie County region. One was the John Carpenter born June 25, 1808, the son of William Carpenter and the grandson of Jeremiah. The other was an older John who was born in Pennsylvania and is not of our Carpenters. Charles L. Carpenter combined the two, gave that John the birth year of the Pennsylvania-born John and made them a son of Jeremiah. There was not a son of Jeremiah named John.
Charles L. Carpenter does list a William as a son of Jeremiah. However, he listed William R. (Rodman) Carpenter, who was not the William that was the son of Jeremiah, but was William Rodman Carpenter, the son of James Carpenter and Anna Rodman - and who died in 1868, forty years after the William who was the son of Jeremiah died.
Charles L. Carpenter also listed Nancy as having married Paulon Cose. That was probably an error in record reading, as Nancy, in fact, married Pardon Case. Joseph and Jeremiah Jr. were born later than Charles Carpenter had listed.
Charles had one unnamed female born in 1797 and another child of unknown age or gender. There were as many as four female children other than Nancy in this family, and one could have been born in the 1797 period, but there is no evidence as to what year any one of them was born.
In summary, Charles Carpenter named eight children of Jeremiah, and noted unnamed women. He was off on the ages of the children, and the fact that John, Niles, and (John) Copeland were grandchildren and not children of Jeremiah. He was also off on which William he suggested as a son of Jeremiah, which John is the grandson, and that Nancy married Pardon Case rather than Paulon Cose.
There are five children of Jeremiah that fit public records and can be named. There is a companion document that is over 220 pages that lists all public record entries for Jeremiah, his children and descendants to about 1900. It is the backup for the summary that is listed here.
John Laird
Santa Cruz, CA
JohnLaird9@aol.com
January, 2013
E-MAIL4: 3 May 2014 to John Laird
John,
I like it. It was a journey of discovery, correction and education. You covered the problems, solutions and summary very well. It was not easy, but the results were well worth it.
You do know that you could have used my name? But the way it was done was fine also.
With your permission, I will use the your current pdfs – as is – to help others with Jeremiah’s line, show how to correct so called accepted genealogies and to generally educate others.
For the notes heading of Jeremiah Carpenter-65, I currently list ...
This line updated by John Larid via email < johnlarid9@aol.com > in May 2013.
2013 UPDATE. See 25 May 2013 email below and Carpenter Executive Summary also below.
SEE: Under Articles subfolder & BOOK: Timothy Carpenter's Descendants - Jeremiah Carpenter 2013 Update:
RIN 0065 Jeremiah Carpenter - Family_Chronicle_Article_draft.doc
SEE: Under BOOKS subfolder - Timothy Carpenter's Descendants - Jeremiah Carpenter 2013 Update:
Jeremiah Carpenter Register Report - Jan 27 2013.jpg (See below also)
JEREMIAH is listed as 19-2 TIMOTHY CARPENTER DESCENDANTS. He married a JANE SHEARS who died prior to 1810. SECOND MARRIAGE to MRS. MARY HARMON, A WIDOW.
... I of course will update this a bit to tout your 2014 work!
Congratulations on the hard work, well done!
John R. Carpenter
Carpenter Cousins Project

From: johnlaird9@aol.com
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 12:12 PM
To: jrcrin001@cox.net
Subject: Jeremiah Carpenter Article
John - Hope this reaches you in good spirit. You and I had corresponded last year about the Jeremiah Carpenter family issue and the article I was writing for Family Chronicle on the issue. The magazine has finally run the article, copies his mailboxes this week, and I have attached the article FYI - which, while having been revised since you and I had our exchange, still includes the language you suggested about our interactions. I have posted a GEDCOM file to ancestry.com, and included notes for Jeremiah and each of his family members - but not for the subsequent generations, although they are all there in complete format. It was a really good exercise.
Just wanted to keep you up to date.
Best, John

Jane Shears

Sometimes known as JANE SHEAR. She was not listed in the census on 1810.

1044. 8 Carpenter

#95 in the T. Carpenter book. Probably died as a infant.

1046. 10 Carpenter

#97 in T. Carpenter book. Not Ledgible. Not noted in later records
indicating death as a young child or infant.

Mary Harmon A Widow

Age 60 in 1854.

449. Hannah Delong Carpenter

HANNAH is listed as #21-2 in the book TIMOTHY CARPENTER DESCENDANTS.
She is also listed in TIMOTHY'S C. will.
8209001 26 BATCH AND SHEET NUMBER      0884787 LIBARY CALL NUMBER

Per the T. Carpenter book:
HANNAH is recorded in some old records as HANNAH CARPENTER DELONG. Until proven
otherwise, we accept it as given above (ie a child of the first marriage). She
was devised the northern portion of her father's farm; his will records it was
his "will and pleasure that HANNAH's spouse NEHEMIAH enjoy the tract during his
natural life."      Later, this family moved westward to Steuben, N.Y.
The compiler was unable to find any conveyance having been made by HANNAH and
her spouse in the Pittstown area.      Gravesites inspected by the compiler in
1974, were in a dilapidated state. This cemetery is practically bushed over,
with many stones down. NEHEMIAH'S stone is standing, but about to topple,
while HANNAH'S already had. There were other WALLACE stones there.

HANNAH DELONG married NEHEMIAH WALLACE In 1782. He is sometimes listed as
"NICHOLAS" - They had children. NEHEMIAH served in the Revolutionary war
with brother-in-laws JOSIAH and JEREMIAH in the 14th Albany Regiment of milita.

Nehemiah Wallace

NEHEMIAH WALLACE'S name is sometimes recorded as NICHOLAS WALLACE. He was the
son of NATHANIEL and PATIENCE (EARLE) WALLACE and was named one of the
executors of TIMOTHY CARPENTER'S will. He served in the 14th Albany Regiment
of Milita in the Revolutionary War, as did his brother-in-law, JOSIAH and
JEREMIAH. This regiment was formed from the Hoosick-Schaghticoke areas.
His gravesite in Beechville Cemetery inspected by C.L. Carpenter, the compiler
of TIMOTHY CARPENTER DESCENDANTS in 1974, indicated his stone was about to
topple and the area about bushed over. His stone indicated he was AGE 78 YR.,
5 MO., 4 DAYS. There were other WALLACE stones there, but only two are
decipherable: THOMAS R. WALLACE, D. 8-6-1882, AGE 74, and PRUNDIA ANN WALLACE,
WIFE OF JOHN ROSE WALLACE, D. 8-23-1889, AGE 70 YR., 2 MO., 20 DAYS.
NEHEMIAH'S gravesite is being registered by the above compiler with the
National Graves Commission, Washington, D.C.

1048. Patience Wallace

#99 in T. Carpenter book. She married a ELI CARRINGTON. NFD 1992.

1049. Elizabeth Wallace

#100 in T. Carpenter book.

1050. Timothy Wallace

#101 in T. Carpenter book. Married a Elizabeth Blanchard. NFD 1992.

1051. Phoebe Wallace

#102 in T. Carpenter book. She married a "FEBA" ? LOUK. NFD 1992.

1052. Mehitabel Wallace

#103 in T. Carpenter book.

1053. Evalina Wallace

#104 in T. Carpenter book.

1054. Orvilla Wallace

#105 in T. Carpenter book.

460. Henry Carpenter

Number 139 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901.
He married and had six children, one of whom was Robert who was living in 1848
at Fitchville, Huron county, Ohio. Robert stated that at that time there was
37 grandchildren of Henry, but fails to give any further information. He also
said there are none of his family living near him.

Subj: Re: Henry Carpenter Date: 99-03-16 22:51:48 EST From: SEvans50
To: JRCRIN001
Dear John,
What a thrill to get this information from you! Thank you so much. I can't
handle GEDCOM, but would love to have any further information you could send
me. If necessary, I will send you my postal address.
Can you tell me how I could obtain the Daniel H. Carpenter book, or the
Carpenter Historical Journal? Both sound like something I would love to be
able to reference.
The information below is what I have on Henry Carpenter on down. Obviously,
some lines are more complete than others. The DeGarmo information is well
documented. The Sutton information...I am trying to get documented. The
Sutton/Carpenter link is quite new to me, and was sent by Gil Leach, a
Stoughtenburg/Ring researcher who had it in his family records. He had dates
only. His email address is: gilbleach@aol.com
He has been a gem in terms of sharing his knowledge. He would probably love to
hear from you, as well. I will send him a copy of what you sent to me.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Thank you again (so very much!),
Stefani Evans

DESCENDANTS OF HENRY CARPENTER
Compiled by Stefani Evans 3-3-1999
HENRY CARPENTER, b. 8-6-1741, d. 1-22-1784, m. 3-1-1768 PHEBE _____, b.
3-30-1747, d. 4-7-1784 (36)
1.
SOPHIA CARPENTER, b. 3-18-1769, m. 3-25-1789, DANIEL SUTTON, b. 2-13-1768 (36)
1.1.
PHEBE SUTTON, b. 12-3-1791, m. Dutchess Co., NY, ROWLAND DE GARMO, b.
11-29-1785, Dutchess Co., NY, d. 6-6-1838, Dutchess Co., NY, son of PETER DE
GARMO, b. 9-2-1751, Pompton Plains, NJ, d. 8-4-1840, Dutchess Co., NY, and MARY
D. ROBINSON, b. 11-12-1763, NY, d. 6-3-1839, Dutchess Co., NY (2,3,36,41)
1.1.1.
MARY DE GARMO, b. cir. 1812 , m. JON HAIGHT (2,41)
1.1.1.1.
WILLIAM H. HAIGHT of Poughkeepsie, Dutchess Co., NY (2)
1.1.1.2.
MARY C. HAIGHT, m. _____ STOCKBRIDGE (2)
1.1.1.3.
ELIZABETH HAIGHT, m. _____ AYERS, Central Valley, Orange Co., NY (2)
1.1.2.
DAVID S. DE GARMO, b. 3-5-1818, d. 5-30-1875, m. PHOEBE H. LAWRENCE (2)
1.1.2.1.
SMITH LAWRENCE DE GARMO, b. 10-10-1842 (2)
1.1.2.2.
MARY H. DE GARMO, m. _____SMITH (2)
1.1.2.3. (SHOULD BE: 1.1.3 Elias)
ELIAS S. DE GARMO, d. 1-25-1887, m. CAROLINE _____ (2)
1.1.2.4. (SHOULD BE: 1.1.4 Eliza)
ELIZA DE GARMO, m. _____ CARPENTER (2)
1.1.2.5. (SHOULD BE: 1.1.5 Henry)
WILLIAM HENRY DE GARMO (2)
1.1.3.
ELIAS S. DE GARMO
1.1.4.
ELIZA DE GARMO
1.1.5.
WILLIAM HENRY DE GARMO
1.2.
ANNA SUTTON, b. 2-21-1795, m. 11-25-1818, DAVID D. DE GARMO, b. cir. 1791,
Dutchess Co., NY, d. 5-3-1845, Rochester, Monroe Co., NY, son of PETER DE
GARMO, b. 9-2-1751, Pompton Plains, NJ, d. 8-4-1840, Dutchess Co., NY, and MARY
D. ROBINSON, b. 11-12-1763, d. 6-3-1839 (1,2,3,36)
1.2.1.
PETER DE GARMO, b. cir. 1815, NY, d. 3-18-1880, Rochester, Monroe Co., NY
(2,41)
1.2.2.
ELIAS DE GARMO, b. 11-1816, NY, d. 2-8-1872, Milton, Ontario Province, Canada
(2,41)
1.2.3.
EDDY ANN DE GARMO, b. cir. 1820, d. cir. 12-23-1898, Rochester, Monroe Co., NY
(2,41)
1.2.4.
WILLIAM ELLSWORTH DE GARMO, b. cir. 1821, NY (2,41)
1.2.5.
DANIEL DE GARMO, b. 4-10-1911, Rochester, Monroe Co., NY, m. 11-8-1861,
Pittsford, NY, EMMILINE L. (Emily) SAUNDERS (2,41)
1.3.
ELIZABETH SUTTON, b. 5-3-1797, m. 2-8-1817, HARMON STOUTENBURGH, b. 2-26-1794,
d. 4-13-1868 (36)
1.3.1.
PHEBE STOUTENBURGH, b. 4-13-1818, m. THEODORE HORTON (36)
1.3.2.
SOPHIA STOUTENBURGH, b. 9-24-1820, d. 5-15-1827 (36)
1.3.3.
JACOB M. STOUTENBURGH, b. 6-25-1822 (36)
1.3.4.
DAVID STOUTENBURGH, b. 11-27-1824 (unmarried) (36)
1.3.5.
MARY STOUTENBURGH, b. 5-22-1827 (unmarried) (36)
1.3.6.
ELIZA STOUTENBURGH, b. 11-20-1829, d. 2-25-1865 (36)
1.3.7.
ANN STOUTENBURGH, b. 7-14-1832, m. _____ THURSTON (36)
1.3.8.
CAROLINE STOUTENBURGH, b. 7-26-1835, m. OSCAR RING (36)
1.3.9.
JAMES HENRY STOUTENBURGH, b. 2-22-1838, m. ELLEN BUDD, niece of Oscar Ring (36)
1.4.
PHILENAR SUTTON, b. 12-16-1800 (36)
1.5.
HENRY C. [Carpenter?] SUTTON, b. 1-4-1804, NY, m. 3-24-1824, Hyde Park,
Dutchess Co., NY, ELIZABETH DE GARMO, b. cir. 1806 (4-8-1801-(3)), Oswego,
Oswego Co., NY, daughter of PETER DE GARMO, b. 9-2-1751, Pompton Plains, NJ, d.
8-4-1840, Dutchess Co., NY, and MARY ROBINSON, b. 11-12-1763, d. 6-3-1839.
Henry C. Sutton and family in 1850 census, Rush, Monroe Co., NY; and 1860
census, Jefferson Twp, Cass Co., MI (1,2,3,27,34,36)
1.5. 1.
MARY ELIZABETH SUTTON, b. 12-30-1825, Dutchess Co., NY (1,2,3,27,34)
1.5. 2.
JOHN SUTTON, b. 8-12-1828, Dutchess Co., NY (1,2,3)
1.5. 3.
ROWLAND SUTTON, b. 3-26-1830, Dutchess Co., NY (1,2,3)
1.5. 4.
SOLOMAN (Sol) SUTTON, b. 3-1-1832, NY, m. MARY _____, in 1860 census, Jefferson
Township, Cass Co., MI (1,18,27)
1.5. 5.
PETER DEGARMO SUTTON, b. 6-6-1834, Ulster Co., NY, d. 4-18-1924, Overland Park,
Johnson Co., KS, Sergeant, Company H 113th Illinois infantry, wounded at
Vicksburg and the battle of Arkansas, member, G.A.R., Custer Post, St. Joseph,
MO, m. 10-18-1857, Edwardsburg, Cass Co., MI, MARY (Aunt Mollie, Grandie) ALDEN
ALLEN, b. 2-28-1841, Dublin, Wayne Co., IN, d. 3-31-1920, Kansas City, MO.
Married by Rev. Elisha B. Sherwood, with Hiram Norton and Mary Sheldon as
witnesses. Both residents of Jefferson Township, Cass Co., MI, at the time of
their marriage. Mother of Mary Alden Allen died at the birth of this child.
She was reared by her mother's sister, Jane Van Vliet Hull, b. cir. 1804, NY,
d. 8-27-1879, Franklin Twp., Sacramento Co., CA, wife of Sewell Hull, b.
8-12-1798, Danville Twp., Caledonia Co., VT. Hulls were neighbors of Suttons
in 1860 Cass Co. census. Mrs. Hull was an editorial writer for Horace Greeley
on his Tribune. Mary Alden Allen had two brothers, Wilbur Allen, and Henry
Allen; and two sisters, Matilda (Mattie) Dodson, who lived in San Diego, and
Leah Margaret (Mrs. George Richardson) Smith (mother of Senator George Alden
Smith, from MI).   Removed family in 1871 to Deer Creek, Atchison Co., KS,
where he was a farmer. Peter Sutton in 1860 census, Jefferson Township, Cass
Co., MI, as a farmer. P.D. Sutton in 1870 census, Shannon Township, Atchison
Co., KS (1,2,3,14,15,17,18,19,20,21,26,27,34)
1.5. 5. 1.
CLYDE ALLEN SUTTON, b. 7-30-1857, MI, m. 9 times, mother of children deserted
the family (1,15,27,30)
1.5. 5. 1.1
CLAUDE SUTTON, b. cir. 1877, d. 6-8-1943, Kansas City, Jackson Co., MO (1,35)
1.5. 5. 1.2
MAYBELLE (Mabel) SUTTON, b. 1-31-1883, St. Joseph, MO, d. 9-29-1955, Kansas
City, Jackson Co., MO, m. 1903, ROBERT BIRON NUSSER, b. 1-18-1881, d. 5-6-1963,
Kansas City, Jackson Co., MO. Raised in Catholic orphanage from the age of
two. (1,17,30,33,35)
1.5. 5. 1.2.1.
RALPH WAYNE NUSSER, b. 6-6-1905, Kansas City, Jackson Co., MO, d. 4-29-1991,
Raymore, Cass Co., MO, buried Mt. Moriah Cemetery, Raymore, Cass Co., MO,
Ivanhoe Masonic Lodge, m. 6-8-1929, Kansas City, Jackson Co., MO, ANNABEL
HARRIETT WING, b. 9-29-1903, Kansas City, Jackson Co., MO, d. 5-1985
(1,17,29,33)
Ralph Wayne Nusser m. 1988, Raymore, MO (2) ELIZABETH MCCARTNEY      (33)
1.5. 5. 1.2.1.1
BARBARA ANN NUSSER, descendant information deleted for privacy.
1.5. 5. 2.
FRED ELLSWORTH SUTTON, b. 6-10-1860, MI, d. 10-4-1937, Kansas City, Jackson
Co., MO, m. (1) MARGARET GRAHAM, daughter of WILLIAM GRAHAM and MARY _____, m.
(2) VIRGINIA (Ginny) COX, m. (3) Lillie B. _____ . He was one of David L.
Payne's 500 Boomers, who opened OK to white settlement, and author of Hands Up!
, with A.B. Madconald (Bobbs Merrill Company, Indianapolis, 1926), a book about
border life in the 1880's. 1893 first man to stake a 160-acre claim near Perry,
OK. Foreman C Bar Ranch, AZ; banker in Oklahoma City (1,14,15,17,28)
1.5. 5. 2.1.
EDWIN B. SUTTON, b. 1-2-1884, lived in Holland, MI and TX, d. 7-1967, McAllen,
Hidalgo Co., TX (1,6,14,15,28,)
1.5. 5. 2.2.
MONTE COCHRAN SUTTON, d. 1940 (1,14,15,28)
1.5. 5. 2.3.
INEZ EUDORA (aka GRAHAM) SUTTON, b. 3-17-1894, d. 12-1986, Greeley, CO, m.
JOSEPH (Josef) SLABOTSKY, b. 3-10-1894, d. 1-1972, Shawnee Mission, KS, son of
ABRAHAM SLABOTSKY (1,14,15,28)
1.5. 5. 2.3.1.
MARY GRAHAM SLABOTSKY, Descendant Information deleted for Privacy.
1.5. 5. 3
LEON (Lee) SUTTON, b. 11-7-1864, MI, worked in brick mills and at Luzier
Cosmetics, m. ANNA (Annie) WOODS, d. Atchison, KS (1,14,15,37)
1.5. 5. 3.1.
MARGARET (Maggie) SUTTON, b. 1-8-(cir. 1893), Atchison, KS, worked with brother
Charlie at H.D. Lee, d. 1-13-1978, Kansas City, Jackson Co., MO, m. ROBERT M.
COPENHAVER, b. 4-1-1891, d. 2-1-1954, Schell City, MO (1,17,37,38,40)
1.5. 5. 3.1.1.
ROBERT MOYER COPENHAVER, b. 7-18-1910, St. Joseph, MO, d. 3-8-1991, Blue
Springs, Jackson Co., MO, buried Mt. Washington Cemetery, Kansas City, Jackson
Co., MO, m. (1) GENEVA PICKETT, mother of children (17,29,37,39)
Robert Moyer Copenhaver m. (2) DOROTHY F. BURGETT (39)
1.5. 5. 3.1.1.1.
ROBERT LEON COPENHAVER, Descendancy information deleted for privacy.
1.5. 5. 3.1.2.
HARRY LEE COPENHAVER, b. 6-7-1916, St. Joseph, MO, m. 12-31-1938, LOVISA (Vi)
HURST (17,29,35,37,38) Descendancy information deleted for privacy.
1.5. 5. 3.2.
JOSEPH SUTTON, b. cir. 1895, supervisor Harraby Hospital, MO, m. (1) _____, m.
(2) _____ (1,37)
1.5. 5. 3.2.1.
LEROY SUTTON, b. 10-15-1916, d. 10-16-1982, Jackson Co., MO (37)
1.5. 5. 3.2.1.1.
GARY SUTTON, (37)
1.5. 5. 3.2.1.2.
JOYCE SUTTON (37)
1.5. 5. 3.3.
CARL SUTTON (1,37)
1.5. 5. 4.
CHARLES OSCAR SUTTON, b. 6-3-1866, Niles, Berrien Co., MI, d. 12-23-1952,
Overland Park, Johnson Co., KS, buried Overland Park, Johnson Co., KS, m.
8-16-1888, Atchison Co., KS, ALICE LEONA BUSH, b. 7-14-1867, Stewartsville,
DeKalb Co., MO, d. 7-30-1968, Centralia, Lewis Co., WA, buried Overland Park,
Johnson Co., KS, daughter of FRANK BUSH and SYRENA THOMPSON. Charles Oscar
moved from Marshall, MI, by covered wagon with family to Deer Creek, Atchison
Co., KS, in 1872. Sheriff, State of KS, U.S. Deputy Marshall, Territory of OK,
Private Investigator for Wells Fargo, Agent for Anheuser-Busch Brewing Co.,
Retired from H.D. Lee Clothing Co., Member, Board of Education, Overland Park,
KS. (1, 10,14,25,)
1.5. 5. 4.1.
PETER DEGARMO SUTTON (aka FRANCIS PATRICK SUTTON), b. 10-25-1890, Atchison Co.,
KS, d. 5-22-1964, Long Beach, Los Angeles Co., CA, m. (1) ETHEL M. ANDERSON,
div. 9-28-1921, Jackson Co., MO, no issue, m. 10-1-1921 (2) HAZEL MAY
HOUSEKEEPER (aka WEISS), b. 2-16-1902, South Bend, St. Joseph Co., IN, d.
10-6-1987, Laguna Hills, Orange Co., CA, daughter of EDMUND FRANCIS THORNTON
HOUSEKEEPER, b. 4-30-1879, d. 1930's, and EMMA T. CLARK, b. 1880, Lakeville,
IN, d. 5-25-1906, South Bend, St. Joseph Co., IN, buried Bowman Cemetery;
adopted 6-1-1906, Circuit Court, St. Joseph Co., IN, Petition #11075, by
GOTLIEB WEISS and DELLA CLARK (sister to Emma T. Clark) (1,4, 10)
1.5. 5. 4.1.1.
EMMA MAY SUTTON, Descendancy information deleted for privacy.
1.5. 5. 4.1.2.
ALICE PATRICIA (Patsy) SUTTON,
(1,4,6,10,11) MOTHER OF Stefani Evans the submitter. *******
1.5. 5. 4.2. WILLIAM (Willie) SUTTON, d. cir. 1980, 11-1972, living in Los
Angeles, CA 90004, 1979 living in Santa Monica, CA (1,31,35)
1.5. 5. 4.3.
EARL E. SUTTON, USN, d. 12-21-1979, San Diego Co., CA, m. ROSE KATHRYN
MCCARTY., b. 3-11-1903, MI, d. 9-16-1979, San Diego, San Diego Co., CA,
daughter of JOSEPH L. MCCARTY and MARY GRADI, MI (1,35)
1.5. 5. 4.4.
WESLEY LANGDON (aka Leonard) SUTTON, b. 6-11-1903, MO, d. 4-14-1996, Centralia,
Lewis Co., WA, m. Independence, MO?, JENNIE (GENEVA?) BENTLEY (1, 13)
1.5. 5. 4.4.1.    Descendancy information deleted for privacy.
1.5. 5. 5.
WILLIAM VAN VLIET SUTTON, b. 10-29-1868, MI, member, Masonic Lodge No. 436,
Overland Park, Johnson Co., KS, m. MRS. JOSEPHINE (JOSIE) WALKER, d.
11-23-1943, buried Mt. Washington Cemetery, Kansas City, Jackson Co., MO. She
had son, Albert A. Walker, 1917 Company F 137th United States Infantry, Fort
Sill. The family lived in Overland Park, KS; he worked for Luzier Cosmetics.
No issue. (1,14,17,28,35)
1.5. 5. 6.
MARGARET (MAGGIE) INEZ SUTTON, b. 11-29-1870, MI, d. 6-15-1950, m. JOHN CURRAN
(1,14,28,35)
1.5. 5. 6.1.
KENNETH CURRAN, d. before 12-1979 (1,4,35)
1.5. 5. 6.2.
VERA CURRAN, worked for Luzier Cosmetics, Kansas City, MO, m. (1) CLARENCE
BOULT, m. (2) _____ LUZIER (1,32)
1.5. 5. 6.2.1.
CLARENCE BOULT, JR. (aka NEAL LUZIER) (1,32)
1.5. 5. 7.
ROY C. (Sonny) SUTTON, b. 7-10-1872 , d. cir. 1954, St. Louis, MO, m. CORA
_____, b. 4-24-1875, d. 7-1972, St. Louis, MO. Invented formula for Oxydol,
sold patent for $15,000, and owned a soap mfg. company. (1,6,14,28)
1.5. 5. 7.1.
DONELIA SUTTON, m. 11-20-1917, STANLEY BLEWETT WAGONER, son of HARRY E. WAGONER
and ADELINE PALMIER MYERS (1)
1.5. 5. 7.1.1.
WALTER D. WAGONER, b. cir. 1918 (1)
1.5. 5. 7.1.2.
JEAN SUTTON WAGONER, b. cir. 1919 (1)
1.5. 5. 8.
EDITH MAY SUTTON, b. 12-18-1878, KS, worked for Luzier Cosmetics, m. (1) _____
FLANDERS, m. (2) SAM HAAS, d. 1932, m. 7-5-1937 (3) CHARLES COBURN
(1,14,17,28)
1.5. 5. 9.
EDNA RAY SUTTON, b. 2-10-1880, KS, m. 6-1906, WILLIAM (Willie) APPLEGATE
BECKWITH PARRY, b. 7-7-1880, d. cir. 1952, son of JOHN PARRY and ANNIE TOLER,
of VA (1,14,17)
1.5. 5. 9.1.
NORMA MARGUERITE PARRY, b. 12-28-1910, worked for Luzier Cosmetics 2 summers,
m. 9-21-1946, ELMER NATHAN PAINTER, d. 8-24-1959, age 45 years (1,14,35)
Descendancy information deleted for privacy.
1.5. 5. 9.2.
RUTH BECKWITH PARRY, b. 1-20-1914, m. EDWARD MCKINLEY WHEAT (1,14)
Descendancy information deleted for privacy.
1.5. 5. 9.3.
ALAN TOLER PARRY, b. 2-9-1918, m. VENITA MITCHELL (1,14)
Descendancy information deleted for privacy.
1.5. 5. 9.3.1.2.
ALAN PARRY (35)
1.5. 5.10
WINNIE B. SUTTON, b. 2-20-1882, d. infant (1,24,35)
1.5. 6.
SMITH SUTTON, b. 11-17-1837, NY, m. cir. 1860, JULIA _____, b. cir. 1841,
Baden, Germany; in 1860 census, Jefferson Township, Cass Co., MI, served with
brother Peter in Company H, 113th Illinois Infantry, organized in Kankakee Co.,
IL, 10-1-1862 to 6-20-1865 (1,2,3,18,27,34)
1.5. 7.
SARAH ANNA SUTTON, b. 10-10(27?)-1839, NY (1,35,41)
1.5. 8.
WILLIAM H. SUTTON, b. 6-26-1841, NY, in 1860 census, Jefferson Township, Cass
Co., MI (1,18,27,34)
1.5. 9.
ALFRED H. SUTTON, b. 4-7-1843, NY (1,27,34)
1.5.10.
CHARLES OSCAR SUTTON, b. 5-20-1845, NY (1,27,34)
1.5.11.
ANNA [Hannah?] SUTTON, b. 1-1-1848, NY (1,27,34)
1.5.12.
ISABEL (Belle) SUTTON, b. 10-5-1851, MI (1,27)
1.6.
SOPHIA SUTTON, b. 1-17-180(7?) (36)
1.7.
DAVID WILLIAM SUTTON, b. 6-17-1811(1819?) (36)
2.
PHILENAR CARPENTER, b. 10-12-1771 (36)
3.
ELIZABETH CARPENTER, b. 10-14-1773 (36)
4.
BENJAMIN CARPENTER, b. 10-14-1775 (36)
5.
ROBERT CARPENTER, b. 7-7-1775 (36)
6.
HENRY CARPENTER, b. 3-4-1781 (36)

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Phebe Dickinson

West Farms now the 23rd Ward of NYC.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywestch/towns/westfarm.htm
History
West Farms was a town originally located in Westchester County, until 1873 when it was annexed by New York city. In 1898 it was incorporated into The Bronx County which is one of the New York City counties/buroughs. When looking for vital records for the town of Westchester, you will need to check both counties, as well as the records located at the NYC Municipal Arhives. See also the Eastchester Historical Society.

Boundaries: "The patent for West Farms was granted to John Richardson and Edward Jessup April 25, 1666. 'Bounded east by the river called by the Indians Aquehung, otherwise Bronks river, westerly by a little brook called by the Indians Sackwrahung, and southward to the Sound at East river, including a certain neck called Quinahung.' Edward Jessup had a daughter Elizabeth, who married Thomas Hunt, and his part came into their possession. The whole was divided in 1669. Thomas Hunt having the part still known as 'Hunt's Point.'"
Source: Early Wills of Westchester County, New York 1664-1784 by William S. Pelletreau, Am. M.; Pub. 1898; page 6, footnote.

462. Thomas Carpenter

Number 141 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901. Family on page 132 & 133.
!MARRIAGE: Westbury Records "Thomas Carpenter of the City of New York, tailor,
son of Joseph Carpenter deceased, of Oyster Bay, mariner, was married to
Hannah, daughter of Richard Alsop of Oyster Bay, 12d, 4mo. 1777."
Thomas was a tailor by trade, residing in New York City. He died after sireing
one child.
Thomas's widow remarried to Job Webb of Pennsylvania per Book A, page
151 of the Westbury Friends' Meeting Records which supplied most of the data
for this record.
Job Webb and his wife Hannah, mother of Alsop Carpenter were living at De
Ruyter, near Skaneateles, NY from 1814 to 1827. Per Adam & Ann Mott, pages
90, 107, & 135.
!Thomas Carpenter was received as a member of Westbury Meeting on 27 Nov. 1776
per Book C, page 164.

463. Lewis Carpenter

Number 142 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901.
Family and notes on page 133 & 134. Four children listed - 3 males and 1 female - Phebe.
"Lewis Carpenter, grocer, of New York, Charles Thorne of Oyster Bay appointed Administrator April 10, 1786."
The Townsend Memorial indicates Lewis and Elizabeth had three children - all males.

E-MAIL:
From: Jan Robison janrobison@yahoo.com
To: Nancy Taylor taylorn@westelcom.com
Cc: John R Carpenter
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002
Subject: Re: Phebe Carpenter
Hi, Nancy,
You wrote:
Dear Jan,
I was reading over your geneology info in Ancestry.com and came upon the information that Phebe "Carpenter" married Nathaniel Wright.The family information I have and according to "Memorial of the Townsend Brothers" pub.in 1875 says that phebe's mother,Betsy Townsend married first Lewis Carpenter by whom she had Thomas,Henry and Townsend.She married second Robert Little by whom she had Phebe,Elizabeth,and Martha.Thus Phebe was in fact Phebe Little from whom I am descended and of whom I have a daguerretype picture.Phebe was born Feb.10,1789 and died Apr.15,1867.Nathaniel Wright was born May 11,1787 and died July 30,1866.
I hope this is some help,and would like to know why our information differs.
Regards,
Nancy Taylor
I have no earthly idea! But, John Carpenter, copied above might now. Hey, John, how about seeing if you have anything. Thanks, Jan
REPLY
Hello Jan & Nancy,
I am sorry for the delay in replying. I wanted to check some things out before answering. I did not get the answer I was looking for however.
In the 1700s, formal adoptions were fairly rare. Legal adoption was mainly used to help designate property or title from a step parent or guardian to the adoptive child or heir. Overwhelmingly adoptions were for males and many were in their teens or older.
How important were "heirs?" The Magna Carta stresses "our heirs for ever" over and over. These "heirs" were designated either by their own loins or by that of others. Just reviewing the Magna Carta and doing a key word search will show you how important this was. See the following web page.
http://eawc.evansville.edu/anthology/magnacarta.htm
It was not until the beginning of the Industrial Revolution that more formal and legal protections were afforded to illegitamate and orphan children. Massachusetts lead the American states in 1851 in standardizing laws for adoption. England didn't do this until 1921. See the following web page for related information.
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/g2699/0003/2699000361/p1/article.jhtml
While some form of adoption has been around for thousands of years to provide for lost, orphan and such children. Many of the noble or great or not-so-great have been adopted. The Babylonian King Hammurabi with his written Code of Hammurabi is the earliest to survive intact with clear definitions of adoption. The following web page has details. I will provide extracts in the following paragraphs.
http://adoption.about.com/library/weekly/aa090699.htm?iam=excite_1&terms=heirs+adopt
"Adoption was very common during the ancient/classical periods, and generally involved adults - to carry on a dynasty, occupation, or family name; to care for a parent in old age, or to protect property rights."
"Perhaps the first well-known reference to adoption (or what we presume to be adoption) is the story of Moses who, as recorded in the Old Testament [Exodus 2:5-10], was adopted by Pharaoh's daughter in the 13th century BC."
"And of course, no adoption story would be complete without mention of Jesus Christ who was adopted by Joseph the Carpenter. According to practices of the times,when Joseph married Mary, he accepted Jesus as his own, which would carry the same legal weight as a modern-day adoption."
"Charles Dickens' 1838 classic wasn't far off the mark. In England, adoption existed, but without standard legal statutes. Other options for orphans, abandoned, and destitute children were workhouses, children's homes, orphanages, and kinship care.
During the time period 1597-1866, it was common for children who had been convicted of crimes to be deported to America or Australia together with adult criminals. And Child Migrants were sent from Britain and Ireland to the colonies as early as 1618. These children, generally between the ages of 5 and 12, were taken from children's homes and orphanages with the express purpose of culturally swamping "the native peoples by increasing the white population." They were often institutionalized or indentured when they arrived, and were notoriously ill-treated."
There is many interesting aspects of adoption. I suggest the following web page for more fascinating reading on the subject.
http://adoption.about.com/cs/historyarticles/index.htm
Now back to the 1700s.
English common law had no codes for adoption. It did for property. For all intents and purposes, people often became property. You could be fined or held liable under the "common law" for your property causing problems. Women were considered property of their husbands.
If you took in a widow, you were responsible for her children. If you took an apprentice (a young child most often), you were responsible for them. The same concept was extended to property, slaves and other indentured children (or adults). Older children often kept their birth surnames. The younger children sometimes were known by both their biological and adoptive surnames.
You could change your name very easily in those times. All you had to do was move to an area where they did not know you and state your version of your name. That was then accepted there.
Elizabeth Townsend-27564 married Lewis Carpenter-22625 on 27 Aug 1775 at St. George's, Church, Hempstead, NY.
On 7 Oct 1786 at the 1st Presbyterian, Church, New York City, NY she married Robert Little later of Horse-Heads, Chemung, NY but noted as of Orange county, NY at that time.
Eleven years had past from her first marriage to her second. The Townsend Memorial says she had three children, all males, during this 11 year time period.
Daniel H. Carpenter who compiled the 1901 "Carpenter Family in America" book states that (page 135 notes) that a Mr. William T. Carpenter of Horse-Heads, Chemung, NY wrote in a letter dated November 1893 that his grandfather was Lewis Carpenter (the one who married Elizabeth Townsend-27564) and that his widowed grandmother married Robert Little.
An earlier letter, dated February 1, 1893 from the same person, indicates that Elizabeth Townsend who married Lewis Carpenter had 3 males and 3 female children. See page 134.
To Daniel H. Carpenter's credit he provides the conflicting data. In my CE CD 2001, I do the same. See the attached jpg pictures of his book.
That Robert Little raised his stepchildren seems highly probable. The 3 male sons of Lewis Carpenter went with Lewis Little to the town of Horse-Heads. There they stayed for many years before they began to go different ways.
If Elizabeth Townsend had a child every 2.5 years in her first marriage she would have had about 4 children. Every 2.0 years she would have had 5 1/2 children.
With the information I have, Robert Little was 35 or so when he married the widow. This was probably his second marriage? Who were the children of his first marriage? Is there duplicate names? The widow may have been slightly older and probably still able to bear a few more children.
Question: Phebe Little or Phebe Carpenter? If the 10 Feb 1789 is birth date for the Phebe who married Nathaniel Wright, then we have the answer. If the 10 Feb 1789 date is when she and others were accepted into a Church, then we need to look some for more supporting data.
I hope my long winded excursion with a basic history into adoption was interesting. The reality is that we may never know on some of our ancestors who was and was not adopted informally. At least with Phebe we have a date and a mild debate!
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA

MORE:
From: Nancy Taylor
To: John R. Carpenter
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 8:27 AM
Subject: re:Phebe's mother
Dear John,
Thankyou very much for all the information you have provided relative to Phebe Carpenter or Little.It will take a while to digest it all.
I have some for you to throw into the mix.I am sending you 3 pages
(RIN 27564 ELIZ TOWNSEND A,B,C IN MISC PICS)
I am scanning written by George Nathaniel Hauptman(1844-1924),brother of my great grandfather,John Clinton Hauptman(1856-1923) and son of John Foster Hauptman(1819-1901).John Foster married Martha Wright(1820-1905),daughter of Phebe Carpenter or Little and Nathaniel Wright.The handwriting is rather difficult to read,but you can glean some interesting information from it.
I also have a daguerretype of Phebe with a handwritten note inserted into the frame saying,"Mother's mother.Phoebe Wright,born May 5,1789,JCH. JCH was my greatgrandfather ,John Clinton Hauptman.
At any rate,I think this information is as reliable as any that other researchers have included in their books.The Hauptman family lived in the New Hempstead area of Rockland County,NY.
Regards,
Nancy Taylor

FINAL:
19 May 2002
Dear Nancy,
Thanks for the copy of the letters.
You wrote: "I think this information is as reliable as any that other researchers have included in their books."
I disagree. You seem to have better information (dates for example) and an excellent source (letter).
I wrote: "If the 10 Feb 1789 is birth date for the Phebe who married Nathaniel Wright, then we have the answer."
Please remember that Daniel H. Carpenter provided conflicting information on Phebe. The further information you have provided, if the 10 Feb 1789 is the birth date, to have settled the matter.
Any chance I can get a scanned copy of the daguerretype of Phebe?
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA

Elizabeth Townsend

See Lewis Carpenter's notes.
SEE: MISC PICS under RIN 27564

467. Thomas Carpenter Jr.

Number 146 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901. Family on page 135 & 136.

BIRTH: The book above lists him probably born near Huntington or Smithtown on Long Island in 1757.
Mr. Carpenter was a very prominent man in religious circles and also
politically. He was for many years a member of the John Street Methodist
Church and of the Sands Street Church in Brooklyn. He was Alderman of the
second ward, New York City, a member of Assembly, warden of the port, et
cetera. He also was largely known as a wholesale grocer, doing business in
Water Street and Fulton Street. Thomas Carpenter and Leffert Lefferts, owners of the brigatine Susan and Polly, petition Congress for commission of duties et cetera. Petition granted. Per Journal of Representatives, 1794, p. 103.
WILL: The will of Thomas Carpenter is an unusual one, very short and to
the point: gives estate to his wife, son Charles, daughter Sarah Russell, and
to William Carpenter's Family. Names Abigail Fowler, and gives his camblet
cloak to Charles Fowler, provides payment to William Dando, Dr. Phoebus and
Abigail Fowler. Will dated 30 Sept. 1824 and proved 30 April 1825.
Per New York Wills, vol. 59, p. 311.
DEATH: He was buried by the side of his first wife in the grounds adjoining
the Sands Street Church in Brooklyn. On the sale of this church in 1888, to
the Brooklyn Bridge, the remains were reinterred in the plot of Mark Fowler,
Greenwood Cemetery. In Wakely's "Lost Chapters of Methodism" may be found an exceedingly interesting account of Thomas Carpenter.

E-MAIL: Mon, 21 Aug 2000
Dear John,
Thank you for the references. However, the plot thickens! From the CD
on Loyalists- the book " Loyalists of the American Revolution, Vol. II,
(Fragments)" Thomas Carpenter is listed as "an Ensign and Adjutant in
General Delancey's 3rd battalion. He went to St. John, New Brunsdwick,
at the peace where he was one of the grantees of that city. He recieved
half-pay." However, unlike most of the other men listed, it does not
say where he came from.
Last year I received a letter from a person which I can't place right
now ( I conveniently forgot about it until it turned up the other
day)and he said that Thomas Carpenter was from England, etc. Here may
be the source of his information which I found last night on the
Loyalists CD.
From "Loyalists in the Southern Campaign, Vol. III, Provincial Officers
who served in the south", p. 351 - there is a list of Gen Delancey's 2nd
battalion who were now serving at half- pay. The list includes Ensign
Thomas Carpenter and further down the list, Adjutant Thomas Carpenter.
Although the exact date for this record is not listed, the next record
is Late Second Battalion, General Delancey's brigade, reduced April 22,
1782.
From the same source, except for the heading which is "British-American
Soldiers in North America" on p. 363, are listed the
British- American officers in Gen. Delancey's 2nd battalion including:
Ensign Thomas Carpenter, born in England, a sergeant in the Guards,
who served 7 years in the Provincial Corps." and on p. 364 is Adjutant
Thomas Carpenter, born in England, an ensign in the regiment."
When they listed the "British-American officers" they included many who
were born in America including many who owned farms, etc. on Long
Island- so they could be considered loyalists but they stated he was
born in England and in looking through the officers of all 3 of Gen.
Delancey's battalion, I didn't notice any who did not have a birthplace
listed.
The letter which I received but cannot find at the moment said his
situation was unique b/c he was a sergeant in an "elite British foot
guard." Apparently, his promotion from NCO to Ensign was uncommon and
only a few NCOs were given this status - However according to the
source from last year, he did not become a lieut- b/c when he was
mustered out, he was still an ensign and received 1/2 pay and a land
grant. Frankly, I question the military records themselves b/c in some
cases there are 2 of them- an ensign and an adjutant and in other
records, they are one and the same!
There are several Thomas Carpenters who filed for land grants but the
one who meets the criteria was a Lieut. Thomas Carpenter in 1784. The
others were filed at later dates- 1816, etc.
I didn't find many Carpenters from Long Island, if any, who were
loyalists. There was an Aechalus ( sp?) from Westchester County. Willet
Carpenter interests me b/c according to the Loyalist index, he settled
in St. John in 1783 and died there at age 77 in 1833. It makes him about
the same age (generation) as Thomas would have been- The name Willet
intrigues me b/c of the fact that Joseph Carpenter m. Mary Willet and
the Thomas that married Anne Stocker had a brother named Willet also. I
have him born in 1736- again too soon to be the one who was a loyalist
but perhaps it was in the next generation which I don't have. Do you
know anything about Willet?
In any event, if the military records I have found to date are correct,
then he was born in England- the only problem I have with that is the
records are unclear as to whether there were 2 or 1 Thomas Carpenter- So
perhaps one was born in England and the other one in Long Island? And
they got them mixed up? Thank you again for your help.
Just keep me in mind if some new information should turn up. I will
probably turn in my research report completed to the best of my ability
at this point- but I am afraid I am not going to be satisfied until I
get to the truth! I am in touch with another direct line of Thomas and
Lucretia's descendants whose information is the same as the genealogy-
in fact, they are sending me a copy of Thomas' picture and they have
already sent me a picture of Thomas and Lucretia's daughter, Lucretia
who was the sister of my ancestor, Elisabeth. However, they don't sound
too interested in "rocking the boat"! I can't say I blame them! I will
at least have a picture of him even if I don't know where he came from
or who his parents were!
Thank you again. Annabel Bixby abixby@home.com
If I ever solve this puzzle, I will let you know right away!

REPLY: Dear Annabel,
The listing of an officer on half pay is for Regular Service Officers
and not temporary troops. You may be on to something.
It would be very hard to be in New Brunswick, Canada and petioning the
US Congress (sucessfully!) circa 1790/1792 from Brooklyn at the same
time. This leads me to think you may be on to something.
Using 1757 as a base and searching online I came up with a Thomas
Carpenter born in England that had also been in the "Caribbean."
He may have been enroute to the colonies?
Thomas CARPENTER
Birth: 15 May 1757
Astley, Worcester, England
Father: Thomas CARPENTER
Mother: Mrs. Sarah CARPENTER
Event(s): A Thomas Carpenter with the birth of 15 May 1757 was noted as
being of Astley, , Caribbean.
A quick search finds ...
A Thomas Carpenter married Sarah HANCOCK on 5 May 1755 in Astley,
Worcester, England.
A Thomas Carpenter was born 6 Nov 1710 Stoke Prior, Worcester, England
Father: Thomas CARPENTER
Mother: Sarah OLIFES
A Thomas Carpenter married Sarah OLIFES 29 Dec 1709
Stoke Prior, Worcester, England
A Thomas Carpenter died 13 Aug 1721 of , Worcester, England.
A Thomas Carpenter married Sarah WAREING 10 Sep 1685 in Northfield,
Worcester, England.
A Thomas Carpenter was born Abt. 1650 in Fockbury, Worcester, England.
Probably the same one born 24 Dec 1652 Dowles, Worcester, England
Father: John CARPENTER
Mother: Frannces
John CARPENTER married Mary WHEELER
Marriage: 6 Apr 1651 Saint Swithin, Worcester, Worcester, England
A Thomas carpenter was born 11 Aug 1650 Bromsgrove, Worcester, England
Father: Richard CARPINTER
A Thomas Carpenter b. Abt. 1636 England>.
OR
You may think of hiring some one to search the British Military
records. See the following as an example of such a researcher:
http://www.btinternet.com/~lawrence.woodcock/
Good Hunting!
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA

Edith Bunce A Widow

She died at age 46. See husband's notes regarding reburial in 1888.

1068. Thomas Carpenter

Number 399a in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901. No family listed.
New York City or Brooklyn.
Could this data submitted by Marcia Buffett be for the Thomas?
Sally Smith wife of Thomas Carpenter, Jr. joined DRC of Saratoga, Oct 29,
1810
Children of above baptisms:
bapt. Dec 14, 1806 Thomas Smith Carpenter born July 15, 1808
bapt May 27, 1810 William Henry Carpenter born Mar 19, 1810
Marriage Thomas Carpenter to Mrs. Sarah Smith at Greenwich by Rev. Samuel
Smith.
Mariage: Clarissa Beckwith widow of Isaac Carpenter was married on Nov. 14,
1814 to Isreal Kimberly.
"Marcia Buffett"

Mary Houseman A Widow

Houseman was former married name.