Group 1 - Descendants of a John "Jacob Zimmerman" Carpenter-177771-
A Carpenter line associated with Dutchess County, New York circa 1740

Notes

2. Phillip Carpenter

NOTE:
Lineage update by: Ed Carpenter by  "ENCarpenter" <1ecarp@mchsi.com> in October 2010.
Group 34 Y-DNA
Further info, additions and corrections by John R. Carpenter (JRC).

ARTICLE:
GeneRecord-PhillipCarpenter-1756-1838--NoDate-RIN94706.pdf
A Genealogical Record of Phillip and Mary (Rhodes) Carpenter and some of their Descendants. No date given, no author given. Typed report.
This record cites:
Gazetteer of Jefferson County, New York by Hamilton Child, published July 1890, page 295.
TOWN OF BROWNVILLE.
Jacob Carpenter, a native of England, emigrated to Washington County during the French and Indian war. * His children were Jacob, Philip, Peter, and Rhoda.     * The French and Indian War (1754-1763)
*** Philip Carpenter came to this town in 1813, and located at Pillar Point, where he died, aged 72 years. He served in the Revolutionary war. He married Mary, daughter of Nathan Rhodes, of Rhode Island. And their children were Daniel, Asahel, Nehemiah, Rhoda, Polly, Levi, Rebecca, Daniel, Orson, Cynthia, and Permelia. Levi was born in Plattsburgh, (now CLINTON COUNTY) N. Y., December 10, 1799, where he lived several years, and in 1813 located in this town, at Pillar Point, where he now resides, at the age of 89 years.
He married Eunice, daughter of Abijah and Sally (Wilder) Ayer, of Hounsfield, who bore him children as follows: Lovina, Lucy, Mary, Wellington L., Rosetta, Absalom, Winfield, Orville, La Fayette, and Bruce.
His wife is now living, aged 83 years. Their sons Wellington, Winfield, Orville, and La Fayette served in the late war.
Mr. Carpenter is the oldest one of the first settlers now living in the town, and he draws a pension.
SEE:
https://ia802605.us.archive.org/7/items/geographicalgaze00chil/geographicalgaze00chil.pdf

PARENTS:
Many online genealogies claim parents as Jacob Carpenter and Deborah Denton. Where is the proof?  And the closest birth record found so far is below.

LOCATION:
Jefferson County was created out of Oneida County in 1805.
Oneida was created out of Herkimer in 1798.
Herkimer was created out of Montgomery in 1791.
Montgomery was created out of Albany in 1772, but was known as Tyron until 1784.
Albany was the original county created in 1683.
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Washington County was created in 1772 from Albany.
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Dutchess County was the original county created in 1683.

BIRTH:
I have 29 Mar 1765 from the PRF and Grave info. Where is the proof of that? I also found the following. Which is right?
CHR:  THE FOLLOWING BIRTH DATE DISPROVED - this is for Philip Henry Zimmerman Carpenter-222362
Name: Philip Carpender
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 23 Oct 1768
Christening Place: ROUND TOP LUTHERAN, PINE PLAINS, DUTCHESS, NEW YORK
Birth Date: 11 Mar 1766
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Jacob Carpender
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C51046-1
System Origin: New_York-ODM
GS Film number: 533471
Reference ID:
Citing this Record:
"New York, Births and Christenings, 1640-1962," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FDPX-Q96 : accessed 11 June 2015), Philip Carpender, 11 Mar 1766; citing , reference ; FHL microfilm 533,471.

MILITARY:  1782
This per the following article:
A Genealogical Record of Phillip and Mary (Rhodes) Carpenter and some of their Descendants.  It cites a Revolutionary War Pension Claim # J4278? - very hard to read.
Phillip Carpenter, born March 29, 1765 at Nine Partners, Dutchess, NY (Should be of Washington County, NY), son of Jacob Carpenter. Enlisted May 31, 1782 at Salem, Washington, NY and was given a pension in 1832 while living in Brownsville. He died 13 Nov 1836 age 71 years.

In a deposition dated 3 Oct 1838, Nathan Rhodes of Dresden testifies that he was present when his sister Mary Rhodes married Phillip Carpenter on "the Jan 1790, she then being between 17 and 18 years of age."

The soldier's widow, Mary (Rhodes) Carpenter married about 1841 Jacob Brazee (Brizee, Berzil, Breeze, etc). Jacob Brazee died 26 Dec 1860 in Jefferson County, NY, buried at Hounsfield. He received a land warrant for his service in the War of 1812.

MARRIAGE:  1790
Married 1 Jan 1790 at Granville in her father's house. This per the following article:
A Genealogical Record of Phillip and Mary (Rhodes) Carpenter and some of their Descendants.  It cites Revolutionary War Pension Claim # J4278? - Very hard to read.

CENSUS: 1800 US Census - - THE FOLLOWING DISPROVED - otherwise not found
Name: Philip Carpenter
Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Greenbush, Rensselaer, New York
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44: 1
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 2
Number of Household Members Under 16: 4
Number of Household Members Over 25: 1
Number of Household Members: 5
Source Citation
Year: 1800; Census Place: Greenbush, Rensselaer, New York; Series: M32; Roll: 26; Page: 15; Image: 21; Family History Library Film: 193714
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1800 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Second Census of the United States, 1800. NARA microfilm publication M32 (52 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
Second Census of the United States, 1800: Population Schedules, Washington County, Territory Northwest of the River Ohio; and Population Census, 1803: Washington County, Ohio. NARA microfilm publication M1804 (1 roll).

CENSUS: 1810 US Census - - THE FOLLOWING DISPROVED - otherwise not found
Name: Philip Carpenter
Home in 1810 (City, County, State): Greenbush, Rensselaer, New York
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 15: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 3
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 2
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over : 2
Number of Household Members Under 16: 7
Number of Household Members Over 25: 3
Number of Household Members: 10
Source Citation
Year: 1810; Census Place: Greenbush, Rensselaer, New York; Roll: 35; Page: 478; Image: 00095; Family History Library Film: 0181389
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1810 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Third Census of the United States, 1810. (NARA microfilm publication M252, 71 rolls). Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.

CENSUS: 1820 US Census
Name: Philip Carpenter
Home in 1820 (City, County, State): Brownville, Jefferson, New York
Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 15: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 18: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 2
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over : 1
Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture: 4
Free White Persons - Under 16: 5
Free White Persons - Over 25: 2
Total Free White Persons: 8
Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 8
Source Citation
1820 U S Census; Census Place: Brownville, Jefferson, New York; Page: 360; NARA Roll: M33_72; Image: 199
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1820 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fourth Census of the United States, 1820. (NARA microfilm publication M33, 142 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.

CENSUS: 1830 US Census
Name: Philip Carpenter
Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Brownville, Jefferson, New York
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 14: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 60 thru 69: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 15 thru 19: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 60 thru 69: 1
Free White Persons - Under 20: 2
Total Free White Persons: 4
Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 4
Source Citation
1830; Census Place: Brownville, Jefferson, New York; Series: M19; Roll: 92; Page: 293; Family History Library Film: 0017152
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1830 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fifth Census of the United States, 1830. (NARA microfilm publication M19, 201 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.

PENSION:  Pension Roll 1835 NY
Name: Philip Carpenter
Rank: Private
County: Jefferson Co.
Annual Allowance: 66 66
Description of service: New York continental
When placed on the pension roll: 22 Apr 1833
Commencement of pension: 4 Mar 1831
Source Information
Ancestry.com. New York Pensioners, 1835 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1998.
Original data: United States Senate. Report from the Secretary of War, in Obedience to Resolutions of the Senate of the 5th and 30th of June, 1834, and the 3d of March, 1835, In Relation to the Pension Establishment of the United States. [New York Section]. Washington, D.C.: Duff Green, 1835.
SEE ALSO: image
Name: Philip Carpenter
Rank: Private
Age: 69
Birth Year: abt 1762
Pension Enrollment Date: 4 Mar 1831
Residence Place: Jefferson, New York, USA
Service Description: New York Cont'l
Source Information
Ancestry.com. U.S., The Pension Roll of 1835 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
Original data:
United States Senate.The Pension Roll of 1835.4 vols. 1968 Reprint, with index. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 1992.

GRAVE: - Images - See image: RIN 94706 Phillip Carpenter GRAVE.jpg
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=41899269
Philip Carpenter
Birth:  Mar. 29, 1765
Dutchess County,  New York, USA <---  should be: of, Washington County, NY.
Death:  Nov. 13, 1836  <---- military replacement marker has 30 Nov 1836
Pillar Point
Jefferson County
New York, USA
Son of Jacob Carpenter.
Husband of, Mary Rhodes.
Father of, Daniel, Asabel, Nehemiah, Rhoda, Polly, Levi, Rebecca, Daniel, Orson, Cynthia, and Permelia Carpenter.
Served in the Rev. War.  
Family links:
 Spouse:
 Mary Rhodes Brazee (1769 - 1871)
 Children:
 Levi Carpenter (1799 - 1890)*
*Calculated relationship   
Burial:
Stone Cemetery
Jefferson County
New York, USA
 
Created by: Mary Sowles
Record added: Sep 13, 2009
Find A Grave Memorial# 41899269
Added by: Anne Cady  
Philip Carpenter served as a private in New York Continentals. He was placed on pension rolls March 4, 1831. War Department, Washington, D.C., Pension Department
- Bruce Coyne  Added: Oct. 26, 2011

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Notes from merged person.

BIRTH:
By comparing the 1800 through the 1840 US Census, the age estimates work out to have a birth about 1761/1765.

ANCESTRY:  Annikann - Eddington Family Tree
http://person.ancestry.com/tree/68830120/person/30322648470/facts

Ancestry Sources
1800 United States Federal Census
1810 United States Federal Census
1820 United States Federal Census
1830 United States Federal Census
1840 United States Federal Census
New York, Tax Assessment Rolls of Real and Personal Estates, 1799-1804
New York, Tax Assessment Rolls of Real and Personal Estates, 1799-1804
U.S., Revolutionary War Pensioners, 1801-1815, 1818-1872

Parents
Unknown Father
Unknown Mother

Spouse & Children
Mary                   -1841
Mary Carpenter 1783-
John Carpenter 1789-1858

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REVWAR:
Revolutionary War citations for Phillip Carpenter
1)
https://www.fold3.com/page/630281757_phillip_carpenter/   <--- just a name
2)
Carpenters in American Revolution by Anita White May 08, 2012
http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/carpenter/10003/   
Compilation of Carpenters in the American Revolution - added parents in ( ) and spouses maiden names
Sources for these names:
DAR Patriot Index
Max Ellsworth Hoyt's Index to Rev. War Pension Applications
Francis B Heitman's Historical Register of Officers of the Continental Army during the War of the Revolution
...
Phillip Carpenter (birth and death dates unknown); Soldier in
a New York unit; married to Mary Bersil.
3)
http://www.nnygenealogy.com/pages/cemetery/burialdetail.php?page=1&burialid=95060&cnflct=1
Philip Carpenter

Mary Rhodes

GRAVE:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=41899360
Mary Rhodes Brazee
Birth:  Apr. 4, 1769
Death:  Jun. 22, 1871
New York, USA
Daughter of, Nathan Rhodes.
Wife of, 1. Philip Carpenter, 2. Jacob Brazee.
Mother of, Daniel, Asabel, Nehemiah, Rhoda, Polly, Levi, Rebecca, Daniel, Orson, Cynthia, and Permelia.
Unknown whether she is buried under the name Brazee or Carpenter.  
Family links:
 Spouse:
 Philip Carpenter (1765 - 1836)*
 Children:
 Levi Carpenter (1799 - 1890)*
 Orson Carpenter (1811 - 1899)*
 Cynthia Carpenter Elmer (1811 - 1887)*
*Calculated relationship   
Burial:
Stone Cemetery
Jefferson County
New York, USA
 
Maintained by: kathy sowles
Originally Created by: Mary Sowles
Record added: Sep 13, 2009
Find A Grave Memorial# 41899360

3. Philip Henry Zimmerman Carpenter

COMMENT:  Maybe of ...
WIKIPEDIA:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Nine_Partners_Patent
The Little Nine Partners Patent was a land patent granted in 1706 in Dutchess County, New York, United States. It was the last of fourteen patents granted between 1685 and 1706 which came to cover the entirety of historic Dutchess County (which until 1812 included today's Putnam County).
The first ten, granted between 1685 and 1697, covered almost all of Hudson River shoreline in the original county, with three - Rombouts, the Great Nine Partners, and Philipse Patents, extending significantly inland. The eleventh, and smallest, Cuyler, 1697, was the first to contain solely inland territory, just in from the Hudson. The twelfth, and next smallest, Fauconnier, in 1703, completed the Hudson River shoreline. The last two, Beekman, 1705, and the Little Nine Partners, 1706, laid claim to the remaining interior lands.

IMAGES: See Picture Gallery at:
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/109180070/person/280072733247/gallery

BIRTH:
The oft claimed 29 Mar 1765 birth date is for Phillip Carpenter-94706.
CHR:
Name: Philip Carpender
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 23 Oct 1768
Christening Place: ROUND TOP LUTHERAN, PINE PLAINS, DUTCHESS, NEW YORK
Birth Date: 11 Mar 1766
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Jacob Carpender
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C51046-1
System Origin: New_York-ODM
GS Film number: 533471
Reference ID:
Citing this Record:
"New York, Births and Christenings, 1640-1962," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FDPX-Q96 : accessed 11 June 2015), Philip Carpender, 11 Mar 1766; citing , reference ; FHL microfilm 533,471.

CENSUS: 1790 US Census

TAX: images 1799 to 1803
Name: Phillip Carpenter
Assessment Year: 1799 to 1803
Assessment Place: Greenbush, Rensselaer, New York, USA
Residence Year: 1799 to 1803
Residence Place: New York, USA
Source Information
Ancestry.com. New York, U.S., Tax Assessment Rolls of Real and Personal Estates, 1799-1804 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
Original data: New York (State), Comptroller's Office. Tax Assessment Rolls of Real and Personal Estates, 1799–1804. Series B0950 (26 reels). Microfilm. New York State Archives, Albany, New York.
NOTE:
Frederick Carpenter is adjacent on the tax list for each image from 1799 to 1803.

CENSUS: 1800 US Census
Name: Philip Carpenter
Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Greenbush, Rensselaer, New York
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44: 1  <--- b. abt 1756 to 1774
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 2
Number of Household Members Under 16: 4
Number of Household Members Over 25: 1
Number of Household Members: 5
Source Citation
Year: 1800; Census Place: Greenbush, Rensselaer, New York; Series: M32; Roll: 26; Page: 15; Image: 21; Family History Library Film: 193714
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1800 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Second Census of the United States, 1800. NARA microfilm publication M32 (52 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
Second Census of the United States, 1800: Population Schedules, Washington County, Territory Northwest of the River Ohio; and Population Census, 1803: Washington County, Ohio. NARA microfilm publication M1804 (1 roll).
SEE ALSO:
Name: Philip Carpenter
Residence Date: 1800
Residence Place: Bush, Greenbuck, Rensselaer, New York, United States
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Source Citation
Reel 26, 1800 Federal Census of New York, Microfilm Series M32; Publisher: National Archives, Washington, DC.; Page Number: 15
Source Information
Ancestry.com. New York, Genealogical Records, 1675-1920 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.
Original data:
For individual sources please see the source information listed with each record. Many of the source documents are available in the Genealogical Research Library collection or at the Family History Library.

CENSUS: 1810 US Census
Name: Philip Carpenter
Home in 1810 (City, County, State): Greenbush, Rensselaer, New York
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 15: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1  <-- b. abt 1765 or before
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 3
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 2
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over: 2
Number of Household Members Under 16: 7
Number of Household Members Over 25: 3
Number of Household Members: 10
Source Citation
Year: 1810; Census Place: Greenbush, Rensselaer, New York; Roll: 35; Page: 478; Image: 00095; Family History Library Film: 0181389
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1810 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Third Census of the United States, 1810. (NARA microfilm publication M252, 71 rolls). Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.

CENSUS: 1820 US Census
Name: Phillip Carpenter
Home in 1820 (City, County, State): Sand Lake, Rensselaer, New York
Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1  <---- b. abt 1775 or before
Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over: 2
Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture: 1
Free White Persons - Under 16: 1
Free White Persons - Over 25: 3
Total Free White Persons: 5
Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 5
Source Citation
1820 U S Census; Census Place: Sand Lake, Rensselaer, New York; Page: 63; NARA Roll: M33_68; Image: 284
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1820 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fourth Census of the United States, 1820. (NARA microfilm publication M33, 142 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.

CENSUS: 1830 US Census
Name: Philip Carpenter
Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Sand Lake, Rensselaer, New York
Free White Persons - Males - 60 thru 69: 1  <----- b. abt 1761 to 1770
Free White Persons - Females - 50 thru 59: 1
Total Free White Persons: 2
Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 2
Source Citation
Year: 1830; Census Place: Sand Lake, Rensselaer, New York; Series: M19; Roll: 105; Page: 324; Family History Library Film: 0017165
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1830 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fifth Census of the United States, 1830. (NARA microfilm publication M19, 201 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.

CENSUS: 1840 US Census
Name: Phillip Carpenter
Home in 1840 (City, County, State): Sand Lake, Rensselaer, New York
Free White Persons - Males - 70 thru 79: 1   <-------- b. abt 1761 to 1770
Free White Persons - Females - 70 thru 79: 1
Persons Employed in Agriculture: 1
Total Free White Persons: 2
Total All Persons - Free White, Free Colored, Slaves: 2
Source Citation
Year: 1840; Census Place: Sand Lake, Rensselaer, New York; Roll: 333; Page: 224; Family History Library Film: 0017204
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1840 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Sixth Census of the United States, 1840. (NARA microfilm publication M704, 580 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.

Frederica Gramerin

NAME:
Common name given as Frederica Gramerin but last name also seen as "Cramer."

PARENTS:
Parents
Johann Samuel Cramer
Anna Catharina Schillingin

BIRTH:
Name: Johanna Friederica Magdalena Cramer
Gender: Female
Baptism Age: 0
Birth Date: 19. Feb 1764 (19 Feb 1764)
Baptism Date: 19. Feb 1764 (19 Feb 1764)
Baptism Place: Kupferzell, Württemberg, Germany
Residence Place: Kupferzell, Württemberg, Germany
Father:
Johann  Samuel Cramer
Mother:  Eva Katharina
FHL Film Number: 1340218
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Germany, Select Births and Baptisms, 1558-1898 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
Original data: Germany, Births and Baptisms, 1558-1898. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.

BAPTISM1:  image
Name: Friederica Crahmere
Gender: weiblich (Female)
Event Type: Taufe (Baptism)
Baptism Date: 1 Jun 1765
Baptism Place: Dresden, Sachsen (Saxony), Deutschland (Germany)
Father: Johann Christoph Crahmere
Mother: Anna Catharina Schillingin
Signatur: 2.1.3.C.XXI.20-37
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Dresden, Germany, Weekly Church Reports of Births, Marriages, and Deaths, 1685-1879 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016.
Original data: Kirchliche Wochenzettel, 1685/1703-1902. Stadtarchiv der Landeshauptstadt Dresden, Dresden, Deutschland.

BUT ... Same parents but different surname - see also:
BURIAL: image
Name: Friederica Schillingin
Gender: weiblich (Female)
Event Type: Beerdigung (Burial)
Birth Date: abt 1765
Death Date: abt 1765
Burial Date: 15 Jul 1765
Burial Place: Dresden, Sachsen (Saxony), Deutschland (Germany)
Burial Age: 1/12
Father: Johann Gottlob Cramern
Mother: Anna Catharina Schillingin
Signatur: 2.1.3.C.XXI.20-37
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Dresden, Germany, Weekly Church Reports of Births, Marriages, and Deaths, 1685-1879 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016.
Original data: Kirchliche Wochenzettel, 1685/1703-1902. Stadtarchiv der Landeshauptstadt Dresden, Dresden, Deutschland.

THEN we have ...
BAPTISM2: image
Germany, Lutheran Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1518-1921
Name: Magdalena Cramer
Event Type: Taufe (Baptism)
Baptism Date: 27 Okt 1765 (27 Oct 1765)
Baptism Place: Judtschen, Gumbinnen, Ostpreussen, Deutschland (Germany)
Father: Johannes Cramer
Mother: Anna Catharina Cramer
Page Number: 184
Author: Evangelische Kirche Ischdaggen (Kr. Gumbinnen)
City or District: Judtschen
Source Citation
Film Number: 1812667; Page Number: 184
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Germany, Lutheran Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1518-1921 [database on-line]. Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2017.
Original data:
Mikrofilm Sammlung. Familysearch.org
Originale: Lutherische Kirchenbücher, 1518-1921. Various sources.

21. Johannes Carpenter

BIRTH: image - Born as a Zimmerman later became a Carpenter
Johannes Zimmerman
BRN: 19 May 1794
CHR:  1 Jun 1794
Relationship: Son
Parents
Philip Zimmerman
Frederica
Serial # 00242-6
Lutheran Church, West Sand Lake, Rensselaer, New York
Birth or Christenings (1784-1868)
Bath # C51048-1
Page 127
See image at:
https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/collection/1030/tree/109180070/person/280072733247/media/447dc05f-0323-4733-9970-e2e5b48c79f5?_phsrc=QSF2874&usePUBJs=true

22. Abraham Carpenter

BIRTH: image - Born as a Zimmerman later became a Carpenter
Abraham Zimmerman
BRN: 11 Jul 1796
CHR:   7 Aug 1796
Relationship: Son
Parents
Philip Zimmerman
Frederica
Serial # 00242-6
Lutheran Church, West Sand Lake, Rensselaer, New York
Birth or Christenings (1784-1868)
Bath # C51048-1
Page 127
See image at:
https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/collection/1030/tree/109180070/person/280072733247/media/447dc05f-0323-4733-9970-e2e5b48c79f5?_phsrc=QSF2874&usePUBJs=true

23. Catharina Carpenter

BIRTH: image - Born as a Zimmerman later became a Carpenter
Catharina Zimmerman
BRN:  13 May 1798
CHR:   20 May 1798
Relationship: Daughter
Parents
Philip Zimmerman
Frederica
Serial # 00242-6
Lutheran Church, West Sand Lake, Rensselaer, New York
Birth or Christenings (1784-1868)
Bath # C51048-1
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24. Jacob Carpenter

BIRTH: image - Born as a Zimmerman later became a Carpenter
Jacob Zimmerman
BRN:  19 Jan 1801
CHR:  15 Feb 1801
Relationship: Son
Parents
Philip Zimmermann
Foderreich Gramerin
Serial # 00242-6
Lutheran Church, West Sand Lake, Rensselaer, New York
Birth or Christenings (1784-1868)
Bath # C51048-1
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25. Magdalena Carpenter

BIRTH: image - Born as a Zimmerman later became a Carpenter
Magdalena Zimmerman
BRN:  30 Sep 1803
CHR:    1 Jan 1804
Relationship: Daughter
Parents
Philip Zimmermann
Friederica
Serial # 00242-6
Lutheran Church, West Sand Lake, Rensselaer, New York
Birth or Christenings (1784-1868)
Bath # C51048-1
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26. Elisabeth Carpenter

NOTE:
First in the family to be recorded as a Carpenter at birth.

BIRTH: image - Born as a Carpenter!
Elisabeth Carpenter
BRN:   1 Nov 1806
CHR:    8 Mar 1807
Relationship: Daughter
Parents
Philipp Carpenter <----- He had been a Zimmermann prior to this birth!
Friederica
Serial # 00573-7
Lutheran Church, West Sand Lake, Rensselaer, New York
Birth or Christenings (1784-1868)
Bath # C51048-1
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27. Maria Christina Carpenter

NOTE:
Second in the family to be recorded as a Carpenter at birth.

BIRTH: image - Born as a Carpenter!
Maria Christina Carpenter
BRN:   
CHR:   13 May 1810
Relationship: Daughter
Parents
Philipp Carpenter  
Friederica
Serial # 00677-8
Lutheran Church, West Sand Lake, Rensselaer, New York
Birth or Christenings (1784-1868)
Bath # C51048-1
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28. John Hendrick Carpenter

BIRTH: image - Born as a Carpenter!
John Hendrick Carpenter
BRN:   2 Apr 1812
CHR:   7 Jun 1812
Relationship: Son
Parents
Philipp Carpenter  
Friederika
Serial # 00734-5
Lutheran Church, West Sand Lake, Rensselaer, New York
Birth or Christenings (1784-1868)
Bath # C51048-1
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4. Frederich Zimmerman

UPDATE:  
Frederick Zimmerman married an Anna.  By 1799 Frederick was using the surname of Carpenter.
While many children were born as Zimmermans, they too began using the English Carpenter surname.
JRC July 2021

OLD NOTES:
Frederick Carpenter - In Schenectady City, Schenectady County, New York, in 1830, a Fredrick Carpenter lives next door or in the same household as Abraham my GG Grandfather.  Frederick's age is listed as 50-60.  There's no way to tell of course, but Frederick could be Abraham's father, brother or uncle -- or he could be unrelated I suppose.

Lineage submitted by William Lee Carpenter - e-mail: barncarp@gmail.com - Group 1

UPDATED NOTES:

NOTE:  Regarding Group 1 members of the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project
Schenectady County, New York was created in 1809 from Albany County.  Albany County was the orginal County created in 1683.  
COMMENT:
Rensselaer County is adjacent to Albany County in 1800. The second county south is Dutchess County.
Saratoga County until 1809 is just north of Albany County.Now it is just north of Schenectady County.
All of these counties border the Hudson River which runs north to south.
The exception is Montgomery County created in 1772 from Albany County but was named Tyron County until 1784. Hint: Where the Christopher Carpenter-16895 line is from!
NOTE:
Just north of Albany, NY the Mohawk River flows into the Hudson.
The Mohawk River flows eastward through Montgomery County then by Schenectady, Schenectady County, NY.
North of the Mohawk River is Saratoga County. The Mohawk River goes through Montgomery County threw Schenectady County before it enters the Hudson River.
Schenectady, NY to Albany, NY is about 20 miles.

COMMENT:
The 1800 to 1840 US Census records cited below have a male Frederick Carpenter born about 1770 to 1774.

QUESTION:
Are their two (2) Frederick Carpenters in this area?

TAX:  images - 1799 to 1801
Name: Frederick Carpenter
Assessment Year: 1799 to 1801
Assessment Place: Paulings, Dutchess, New York, USA
Residence Year: 1799 to 1801
Residence Place: New York, USA
Source Information
Ancestry.com. New York, U.S., Tax Assessment Rolls of Real and Personal Estates, 1799-1804 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
Original data: New York (State), Comptroller's Office. Tax Assessment Rolls of Real and Personal Estates, 1799–1804. Series B0950 (26 reels). Microfilm. New York State Archives, Albany, New York.

TAX: images 1799 to 1803
Name: Frederick Carpenter
Assessment Year: 1799 to 1803
Assessment Place: Greenbush, Rensselaer, New York, USA
Residence Year: 1799 to 1803
Residence Place: New York, USA
Source Information
Ancestry.com. New York, U.S., Tax Assessment Rolls of Real and Personal Estates, 1799-1804 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
Original data: New York (State), Comptroller's Office. Tax Assessment Rolls of Real and Personal Estates, 1799-1804. Series B0950 (26 reels). Microfilm. New York State Archives, Albany, New York.
NOTE:
Phillip Carpenter is adjacent on the tax list for each image from 1799 to 1803.

CENSUS: 1800 US Census - 2 entries - maybe the same person and family? - The difference is one male under 10.
Speculation: a move with the bith of a son being the difference?
1)
Name: Frederick Carpenter
Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Pawling, Dutchess, New York
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44: 1
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 2
Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1   <-------  b. abt 1756 to 1774
Number of Household Members Under 16: 4
Number of Household Members Over 25: 2
Number of Household Members: 6
Source Citation
Year: 1800; Census Place: Pawling, Dutchess, New York; Series: M32; Roll: 21; Page: 45; Image: 50; Family History Library Film: 193709
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1800 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Second Census of the United States, 1800. NARA microfilm publication M32 (52 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
Second Census of the United States, 1800: Population Schedules, Washington County, Territory Northwest of the River Ohio; and Population Census, 1803: Washington County, Ohio. NARA microfilm publication M1804 (1 roll).
2)
Name: Frederick Carpenter
Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Greenbush, Rensselaer, New York
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 3
Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44: 1   <-------  b. abt 1756 to 1774
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 2
Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1
Number of Household Members Under 16: 5
Number of Household Members Over 25: 2
Number of Household Members: 7
Source Citation
Year: 1800; Census Place: Greenbush, Rensselaer, New York; Series: M32; Roll: 26; Page: 15; Image: 21; Family History Library Film: 193714
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1800 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Second Census of the United States, 1800. NARA microfilm publication M32 (52 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
Second Census of the United States, 1800: Population Schedules, Washington County, Territory Northwest of the River Ohio; and Population Census, 1803: Washington County, Ohio. NARA microfilm publication M1804 (1 roll).

CENSUS: 1810 US Census
Name: Frederick Carpenter
Home in 1810 (City, County, State): Greenbush, Rensselaer, New York
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 15: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44: 1  <------- b. abt 1766 to 1784
Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1
Number of Household Members Under 16: 4
Number of Household Members Over 25: 2
Number of Household Members: 6
Source Citation
Year: 1810; Census Place: Greenbush, Rensselaer, New York; Roll: 35; Page: 477; Image: 00095; Family History Library Film: 0181389
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1810 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Third Census of the United States, 1810. (NARA microfilm publication M252, 71 rolls). Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.

CENSUS: 1820 US Census

CENSUS: 1830 US Census
Name: Frederick Carpenter
Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Schenectady, Schenectady, New York
Free White Persons - Males - 50 thru 59: 1  <--- b. abt 1771 to 1780
Free White Persons - Females - 60 thru 69: 1  <--- b. abt 1761 to 1770
Total Free White Persons: 2
Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 2
Source Citation
Year: 1830; Census Place: Schenectady, Schenectady, New York; Series: M19; Roll: 116; Page: 209; Family History Library Film: 0017176
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1830 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fifth Census of the United States, 1830. (NARA microfilm publication M19, 201 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
NOTE:
Frederick Carpenter - In Schenectady City, Schenectady County, New York, in 1830, a Fredrick Carpenter lives next door or in the same household as Abraham my GG Grandfather.  Frederick's age is listed as 50-60.  There's no way to tell of course, but Frederick could be Abraham's father, brother or uncle -- or he could be unrelated I suppose.
Per William Lee Carpenter -  e-mail: barncarp@gmail.com

CENSUS: 1840 US Census
Name: Frederick Carbentin  [Frederick Carpenter]
Home in 1840 (City, County, State): Schenectady Ward 3, Schenectady, New York
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 14: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 60 thru 69: 1 <--- b. abt 1771 to 1780
Free White Persons - Females - 60 thru 69: 1
Persons Employed in Manufacture and Trade: 1
Free White Persons - Under 20: 1
Total Free White Persons: 3
Total All Persons - Free White, Free Colored, Slaves: 3
Source Citation
Year: 1840; Census Place: Schenectady Ward 3, Schenectady, New York; Roll: 337; Page: 380; Family History Library Film: 0017205
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1840 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Sixth Census of the United States, 1840. (NARA microfilm publication M704, 580 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.

CENSUS: 1850 US Census

ANCESTRY:  Carpenter Family Tree by Paul Carpenter
A Paul Carpenter originally shared this information and provided images on 25 Mar 2019.
SEE TREE at:  
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/109180070/family/familyview?cfpid=280072733111&dtid=100
The Frederick page is at:
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/109180070/person/282151636621/facts
Ancestry Sources
1800 United States Federal Census
1810 United States Federal Census
New York, Tax Assessment Rolls of Real and Personal Estates, 1799-1804
New York, Tax Assessment Rolls of Real and Personal Estates, 1799-1804
New York, Tax Assessment Rolls of Real and Personal Estates, 1799-1804
New York, Tax Assessment Rolls of Real and Personal Estates, 1799-1804

Parents
John Carpenter *SPECULATIVE*  1755-
Unknown mother

Spouse & Children
Anna
Johannes Carpenter/Zimmermann  1793-
Abraham Carpenter/Zimmermann  1796-

29. Peter Carpenter

CENSUS: 1830 US Census
Name: Peter Carpenter  [Betsey Carpenter]  [Betsey Carpenter]
Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Sand Lake, Rensselaer, New York
Free White Persons - Females - 15 thru 19: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 30 thru 39: 1  <--- b. abt 1791 to 1800
Free White Persons - Under 20: 1
Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 1
Total Free White Persons: 2
Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 2
Source Citation
Year: 1830; Census Place: Sand Lake, Rensselaer, New York; Series: M19; Roll: 105; Page: 323; Family History Library Film: 0017165
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1830 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fifth Census of the United States, 1830. (NARA microfilm publication M19, 201 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.

30. Johannes "John" Zimmerman Carpenter

ANCESTRY:  Carpenter Family Tree by Paul Carpenter
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/109180070/person/282151698754/facts
Sources
No sources

Parents
Frederick Carpenter/Zimmermann *SPECULATIVE* 1756–
Anna

Spouse
Unknown spouse

31. Frederick N. Zimmerman

CENSUS: 1830 US Census
Name: Frederick N Carpenter
Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Stanford, Dutchess, New York
Free Colored Persons - Males - Under 10: 1
Free Colored Persons - Males - 24 thru 35: 1  <--- b. abt 1795/1804
Free Colored Persons - Females - Under 10: 2
Free Colored Persons - Females - 10 thru 23: 1
Free Colored Persons - Females - 36 thru 54: 1
Total Free Colored Persons: 6
Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 6
Source Citation
Year: 1830; Census Place: Stanford, Dutchess, New York; Series: M19; Roll: 104; Page: 409; Family History Library Film: 0017164
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1830 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fifth Census of the United States, 1830. (NARA microfilm publication M19, 201 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.

33. Michael Carpenter

BIRTH: image - Born as a Zimmerman later became a Carpenter
Michael Zimmerman
BRN: 14 Jul 1800
CHR: 20 Jul 1800
Relationship: Son
Parents
Frederich Zimmerman
Anna Frierin
Serial # 00242-6
Lutheran Church, West Sand Lake, Rensselaer, New York
Birth or Christenings (1784-1868)
Bath # C51048-1
Page 128
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34. Philipp Carpenter

BIRTH: image - Born as a Zimmerman later became a Carpenter
Philipp Zimmerman
BRN: 14 Jul 1800
CHR: 20 Jul 1800
Relationship: Son
Parents
Frederich Zimmerman
Anna Frierin
Serial # 00242-6
Lutheran Church, West Sand Lake, Rensselaer, New York
Birth or Christenings (1784-1868)
Bath # C51048-1
Page 128
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