Group 1 - Descendants of a John "Jacob Zimmerman" Carpenter-177771-
A Carpenter line associated with Dutchess County, New York circa 1740

Notes


451. James Lawrence Carpenter

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Ancestry Sources
1880 United States Federal Census
1900 United States Federal Census
1910 United States Federal Census
1920 United States Federal Census
1930 United States Federal Census
1940 United States Federal Census
New York, State Census, 1875
New York, State Census, 1905
New York, State Census, 1915
U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995
U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007

Parents
Theodore Augustus Carpenter  1845–1928
Emma A. Kelly  1845–1882

Spouse & Children
Francis M. Carpenter  1868–
Bryan L Carpenter 1899–


452. Jesse T. Carpenter

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Ancestry Sources
1870 United States Federal Census
1880 United States Federal Census
1900 United States Federal Census
1910 United States Federal Census
1930 United States Federal Census
1940 United States Federal Census
New York, State Census, 1875
U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007

Parents
Theodore Augustus Carpenter  1845–1928
Emma A. Kelly  1845–1882

Spouse & Children
Sarah Vanderpool  1870–
Jesse Carpenter Jr. 1890–
James Russell Carpenter 1893–1984
Helen M Carpenter 1902–1994

CENSUS: 1940 US Census - 3 generations
Name: Jesse T Carpenter
Respondent: Yes
Age: 70
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: New York
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: Bennington, Bennington, Vermont
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Street: Safford Street
House Number: 102
Farm: No
Inferred Residence in 1935: Bennington, Bennington, Vermont
Residence in 1935: Same House
Sheet Number: 5B
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 120
Occupation: President
House Owned or Rented: Rented
Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 35
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: High School, 4th year
Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 54
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in private work
Weeks Worked in 1939: 52
Income: 5000
Income Other Sources: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jesse T Carpenter 70
Sahra V Carpenter 70
James Russel Carpenter 46
Catherine Carpenter 47
James Russel Carpenter 12
Source Citation
Year: 1940; Census Place: Bennington, Bennington, Vermont; Roll: T627_4229; Page: 5B; Enumeration District: 2-9
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1940 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2012.
Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Sixteenth Census of the United States, 1940. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1940. T627, 4,643 rolls.


Sarah Vanderpool

Parents
Isaac Van Derpool  1847–
Helen Hubbell  1846–

CENSUS: 1900 US Census - EXTRACT
Name: Sarah Carpenter
Age: 30
Birth Date: Jan 1870
Birthplace: New York
Spouse's Name: Jesse Carpenter
Marriage Year: 1888
Years Married: 12
Father's Birthplace: New York
Mother's Birthplace: New York
Mother: number of living children: 2
Mother: How many children: 3


454. Charles Agustus Carpenter

BIRTH:

CENSUS: 1880 US Census - with parents
CENSUS: 1890 US Census - burned
CENSUS: 1900 US Census - with parents

MARRIAGE: 1901
Name: Charles A Carpenter
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1874
Birth Place: Hudson, New York
Marriage Date: 19 Jan 1901
Marriage Place: Bennington, Vermont, USA
Marriage Age: 27
Card Type: Groom
Father Name: Theodore
Mother Name: Emma A Kelly
Spouse Name: Bessie E Upham
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Vermont, Vital Records, 1720-1908 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2013.
Original data: State of Vermont. Vermont Vital Records through 1870. New England Historic Genealogical Society, Boston, Massachusetts.
State of Vermont. Vermont Vital Records, 1871–1908. New England Historic Genealogical Society, Boston, Massachusetts.

CENSUS: 1910 US Census
Name: Charles A Carpinter  [Charles A Carpenter]
Age in 1910: 35  [33]
Birth Year: abt 1875  [abt 1877]   
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1910: Bennington, Bennington, Vermont
Street: Lyons Disttric St
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Bessie E Carpenter
Father's Birthplace: New York
Mother's Birthplace: New York
Native Tongue: English
Occupation: Merchant
Industry: Bldg Ticket St
Employer, Employee or Other: Own Account
Home Owned or Rented: Own
Home Free or Mortgaged: Free
Farm or House: Farm
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Years Married: 9
Out of Work: N
Number of weeks out of work: 0
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles A Carpinter 35  [33]
Bessie E Carpenter 33
Carleton H Carpenter 8
C Kenneth Carpenter 6
Source Citation
Year: 1910; Census Place: Bennington, Bennington, Vermont; Roll: T624_1612; Page: 18A; Enumeration District: 0023; FHL microfilm: 1375625
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1910 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006.
Original data: Thirteenth Census of the United States, 1910 (NARA microfilm publication T624, 1,178 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C. For details on the contents of the film numbers, visit the following NARA web page: NARA.

DRAFT:  WWI - 1918
Name: Charles Agustus Carpenter
County: Bennington
State: Vermont
Birth Date: 5 Jul 1874
Race: White
Age:  44
Occupation:  Lunch or Lanch Dealer
Nearest Relative: Wife Bessie
Height/Build:   Medium/slender
Color of Eyes/Hair: Brown/brown
Signature: Yes - View image
Source Citation
Registration State: Vermont; Registration County: Bennington; Roll: 1984059
Source Information
Ancestry.com. U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005.
Original data: United States, Selective Service System. World War I Selective Service System Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration. M1509, 4,582 rolls. Imaged from Family History Library microfilm.

CENSUS: 1920 US Census
Name: Charles Carpenter
Age: 45
Birth Year: abt 1875
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1920: Bennington, Bennington, Vermont
Street: Dins District
House Number: X
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Bessie Carpenter
Father's Birthplace: New York
Mother's Birthplace: New York
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Instructor
Industry: Builder
Employment Field: Own Account
Home Owned or Rented: Own
Home Free or Mortgaged: Mortgaged
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Carpenter 45
Bessie Carpenter 42
Karlton Carpenter 18
Kenneth Carpenter 16
Lewis Carpenter 8
Elizabeth Carpenter 5
Source Citation
Year: 1920; Census Place: Bennington, Bennington, Vermont; Roll: T625_1870; Page: 3B; Enumeration District: 25; Image: 616
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1920 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fourteenth Census of the United States, 1920. (NARA microfilm publication T625, 2076 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C. For details on the contents of the film numbers, visit the following NARA web page: NARA.

CENSUS: 1930 US Census
Name: Charles N Carpenter  [Charles A Carpenter]
Birth Year: abt 1875
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: New York
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1930: Bennington, Bennington, Vermont
Map of Home: View Map
Street address: Lyon District
Dwelling Number: 58
Family Number: 70
Home Owned or Rented: Owned
Home Value: 5000
Radio Set: Yes
Lives on Farm: No
Age at First Marriage: 25
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: New York
Mother's Birthplace: New York
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Lumber dealer
Industry: Own business
Class of Worker: Employer
Employment: Yes
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles N Carpenter 55
Bessie E Carpenter 53
Lewis C Carpenter 18
Elizabeth J Carpenter 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Source Citation
Year: 1930; Census Place: Bennington, Bennington, Vermont; Roll: 2426; Page: 3B; Enumeration District: 0011; Image: 784.0; FHL microfilm: 2342160
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1930 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2002.
Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Fifteenth Census of the United States, 1930. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1930. T626, 2,667 rolls.

CENSUS: 1940 US Census
Name: Charlotte Carpenter
Respondent: Yes
Age: 65
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Race: White
Birthplace: Vermont
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: Bennington, Bennington, Vermont
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Street: Lyons District Continued
Farm: No
Inferred Residence in 1935: Bennington, Bennington, Vermont
Residence in 1935: Same House
Sheet Number: 6B
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 118
House Owned or Rented: Owned
Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 2000
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 8th grade
Weeks Worked in 1939: 0
Income: 400
Income Other Sources: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charlotte Carpenter 65   <---------- Charles
Bessie Carpenter 63
Louis Carpenter 28
Source Citation
Year: 1940; Census Place: Bennington, Bennington, Vermont; Roll: T627_4229; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 2-12
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1940 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2012.
Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Sixteenth Census of the United States, 1940. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1940. T627, 4,643 rolls.

DEATH:
Name: Charles Augustus Carpenter
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 1874
Birth Place: Hudson, NY
Residence Place: Bennington, Vermont
Death Date: 19 Oct 1951
Death Place: Brattleboro, Windham, Vermont, USA
Father:           Theodore A Carpenter
Mother: Emma A  [Emma A Kelley]
Cause of Death: General Arteriosclerosis
Veteran: Not applicable
Vital Event Type: Certificate of Death
Source Citation
Vermont State Archives and Records Administration; Montpelier, Vermont; Vermont Death Records, 1909-2008; User Box Number: PR-01561; Roll Number: S-31130; Archive Number: M-1984326
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Vermont, Death Records, 1909-2008 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Original data:
Vermont. Vermont Death Records, 1909-2003. Vermont State Archives and Records Administration, Montpelier, Vermont.
Vermont. Vermont Death Records, 2004-2008. Vital Records Office, Vermont Department of Health, Burlington, Vermont.

SSAPP:
Name: Charles Agustus Carpenter
SSN: 008017232
Birth Date: 5 Jul 1874
Claim Date: 15 Jul 1939
Type of Claim: Life Claim
Notes: 24 May 1976: Name listed as CHARLES AGUSTUS CARPENTER
Source Information
Ancestry.com. U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2015.
Original data: Social Security Applications and Claims, 1936-2007.

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Ancestry Sources
1880 United States Federal Census
1900 United States Federal Census
1910 United States Federal Census
1920 United States Federal Census
1930 United States Federal Census
1940 United States Federal Census
New York, State Census, 1875
Troy Record (Troy, New York)
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Vermont, Death Records, 1909-2008
Vermont, Vital Records, 1720-1908

Parents
Theodore Augustus Carpenter  1845-1928
Emma A. Kelly  1845-1882

Spouse & Children
Bessie E Upham  1877-1953
Carleton Upham Carpenter 1902-1986
Charles Kenneth Carpenter 1903-1932
Lewis Cedric Carpenter 1911-2003
Elizabeth Janet Carpenter 1914-2006


672. Charles Kenneth Carpenter

BIRTH:

MARRIAGE: 1928
Name: Charles K Carpenter
Gender: Male
Age: 25
Birth Date: abt 1903
Marriage Date: 27 Aug 1928
Marriage Place: Monroe, New York, USA
Father: Charles Carpenter
Mother: Bessie Upham
Spouse: Margurite A Stevensky
Film Number: 000831372
Source Information
Ancestry.com. New York, County Marriages, 1847-1849; 1907-1936 [database on-line]. Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016.
Original data: Marriage Records. New York Marriages. FamilySearch, Salt Lake City, UT.

DEATH:
Name: Chas Kenneth Carpenter
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 4 May 1903
Birth Place: Bennington, VT
Residence Place: Bennington, VT
Death Date: 29 Sep 1932
Death Place: Vermont, USA
Father: Chas Carpenter
Mother: Bessie
[Bessie Upham]
Spouse: Sto Margaret
Cause of Death: Pulmonary Tuberculosis
Vital Event Type: Certificate of Death
Source Citation
Vermont State Archives and Records Administration; Montpelier, Vermont; Vermont Death Records, 1909-2008; User Box Number: PR-01920; Roll Number: S-30684; Archive Number: M-1984233
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Vermont, Death Records, 1909-2008 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Original data:
Vermont. Vermont Death Records, 1909-2003. Vermont State Archives and Records Administration, Montpelier, Vermont.
Vermont. Vermont Death Records, 2004-2008. Vital Records Office, Vermont Department of Health, Burlington, Vermont.


Marguerite A. Stevensky

CENSUS: 1915 New York State Census
Name: Margureite Stevensky
Birth Year: abt 1906
Birth Place: United States
Age: 9
Gender: Female
Residence Place: Greece, Monroe
Relationship: Daughter
Color or Race: White
Number of Years in US: 9
Assembly District: 04
House Number: 33
Line Number: 9
Page Number: 04
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Stevensky 35
Theressa Stevensky 29
Margureite Stevensky 9
Francis Stevensky 8
Annastacig Stevensky 5
Source Citation
New York State Archives; Albany, New York; State Population Census Schedules, 1915; Election District: 05; Assembly District: 04; City: Greece; County: Monroe; Page: 04
Source Information
Ancestry.com. New York, State Census, 1915 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2012.
Original data: State population census schedules, 1915. New York State Archives, Albany, New York.


674. Elizabeth Janet Carpenter

MARRIAGE: 1937
Name: Elizabeth Janet Carpenter
Gender: Female
Age: 22
Birth Date: abt 1915
Father: Charles
Mother: Bessie
Marriage Date: 28 Aug 1937
Marriage Place: Bennington, Bennington, Vermont, USA
Spouse: Ethan Evans Crawford
Spouse Gender: Male
Vital Event Type: Certificate of Marriage
Source Citation
Vermont State Archives and Records Administration; Montpelier, Vermont; Vermont Marriage Records, 1909-2008; User Box Number: PR-01920; Roll Number: S-30684; Archive Number: M-1984233
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Vermont, Marriage Records, 1909-2008 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Original data:
Vermont. Vermont Marriage Records, 1909-2003. Vermont State Archives and Records Administration, Montpelier, Vermont.
Vermont. Vermont Marriage Records, 2004-2008. Vital Records Office, Vermont Department of Health, Burlington, Vermont.

SSAPP:
Name: Elizabeth Carpenter Crawford  [Elizabeth C Crawford]   [Elizabeth Carpenter Carpenter]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Date: 8 Sep 1914
Birth Place: Bennington, Vermont
Death Date: 19 Nov 2006
Father: Charles A Carpenter
Mother: Bessie E Upham
Type of Claim: Original SSN.
Notes: Mar 1956: Name listed as ELIZABETH CARPENTER CRAWFORD; 25 Nov 2006: Name listed as ELIZABETH C CRAWFORD
Source Information
Ancestry.com. U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2015.
Original data: Social Security Applications and Claims, 1936-2007.

SSDI:
Name: Elizabeth C Crawford
Gender: Female
Age: 92
Birth Year: abt 1914
Residence Place: Spokane, Washington, USA
Death Date: 19 Nov 2006
Death Place: Spokane, Washington, USA
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Washington, Death Index, 1940-2014 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2002.
Original data:
Washington State Department of Health. State Death Records Index, 1940-1996. Microfilm. Washington State Archives, Olympia, Washington.


Ethan Evans Crawford

BIRTH:
Name: Ethan Evans Crawford
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 8 Dec 1906
Birth Place: North Adams, Massachusetts, USA
Father: Joseph W Crawford
Mother: May Townsend
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Massachusetts, Birth Records, 1840-1915 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2013.
Original data: Massachusetts Vital Records, 1840–1911. New England Historic Genealogical Society, Boston, Massachusetts.
Massachusetts Vital Records, 1911–1915. New England Historic Genealogical Society, Boston, Massachusetts.

CENSUS: 1940 US Census
Name: Ethan E Crawford
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1906
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Massachusetts
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: Rome, Oneida, New York
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Street: W Thomas Street
House Number: 313
Farm: No
Inferred Residence in 1935: New York City, New York, New York
Residence in 1935: New York City, New York, New York
Resident on farm in 1935: No
Sheet Number: 12A
Institution: Robinson Colony-lines 17-32
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 283
Occupation: Order Clerk
House Owned or Rented: Rented
Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 35
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: College, 5th or subsequent year
Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 40
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in private work
Weeks Worked in 1939: 52
Income: 1481
Income Other Sources: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Ethan E Crawford 34
Elizabeth Crawford 25
Source Citation
Year: 1940; Census Place: Rome, Oneida, New York; Roll: T627_2701; Page: 12A; Enumeration District: 33-66
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1940 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2012.
Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Sixteenth Census of the United States, 1940. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1940. T627, 4,643 rolls.


470. Pearl Florence Place

REF: 1910 census T-624-roll #678-Vol 91- ED #295-sheet #9A-page #219
dwelling #177-family #177-date of census May 10th, 1910
Census shows her father  born in CT, mother  born in NY

REF: Birth certificate shows date of birth as August 13, 1882, father Edwin
Place, (age at last birth day was 25), mother Emma Carpenter
(age 21), documents that Pearl was their first child.

She is buried in the Proctor family plot in Northview Cemetery, Dearborn, MI

Pearl, my grandmother, was from the Place family, who go back
to an American Indian grandmother (Eunice Josephine Long, and to
the John Aldin family who was one of the Mayflower founders.

She was born in Petoskey, MI, her father, Edwin Ona Place had worked as a
lumerman during the white pine era.  After the white pine had been cut over
her father moved into Petoskey and became a builder.  He was involved in
building subdivision type homes.  Some time after 1882 he moved his family
to CA.  This lasted only one year, they moved back to MI,
purchasing property in Greenfield Township  MI.  He tried to do some farming
however was not a very good farmer, but apparently had sufficent money from
his home building in Petoskey that he could live on what he had saved.


Harvey Peter Proctor

This family line submitted by John E. Proctor (brn 1933) of Stillwell KS 4/96

REF: 1910 census T-624-roll #678-vol 91-ED #295-sheet #9A-page #219.
dwelling #177-family #177-date of census May 10th, 1910.
Census shows that his father was born in MI mother born in France.

FARMS: lived on and worked by Harvey Peter Proctor from 1902 to 1944.
According to Stanley they usually moved by the first of April, this was due to
the fact that feed was running out by then and the spring planting season
was fast approching in that section of the country.  Additionally farms
usually were sold in the spring of the year, Harvey would move onto a farm that
someone wanted to sell, stay that summer, or longer, then for whatever reason
could't or wouldn't pay the asking price, and then if the owner had a buyer
they would have to move to a new place.
Pommischackle1903   This is the farm where Stanley was born.
Louis        1904
Padgett      1905
Lathers      1906   Livonia Twp.       Plymouth MI.
Truesdale    1908                      Plymouth MI.
Smith        1910                      Plymouth MI.
Miller       1911   west edge of       Plymouth MI.
Murray       1912   Washtenaw Co  half way between Plymouth and Ann Arbor
                   on a dirt trail, now called Curtus Rd.  by McCormick lake.
                   Harvey tried to purchased this farm, but apparently
                   couldn't pay the full price.  I have a contract showing
                   the price of this farm.  Harvey paid $1,000.00 down, and
                   was to pay $5,000.00 in April of 1912, but apparently he
                   didn't have the money, they rented for 4 more years.They had
                   an Ann Arbor mailing address, across road was Plymouth RFD
                   Harvey had an attack of appendicitis in 1914, recovered in
                   a few days.  Left Murray farm on April 1, 1916, moving to
                   the Bailey house, on Elm Street, in Trenton MI.
Bailey House 1916   Started a Watkins Liniment Route, this was at the prompting
                   of his father-in-law, Ed Place, that selling this line of
                   goods would be a good way to make a living.  He never did
                   have any sucess in this endevour. This only lasted 1 yr.
                   In Jan 0f 1917, Ira Wilson (Harveys wifes brother in law)
                   gave him a milk route, as they, the Wilsons, had a large
                   farm, and had a contract from the Detroit Creamery Co. to
                   haul milk to the creamery from the stations where the
                   farmers brought it in.  Harvey couldn't start on Jan. 1st
                   as he was still obligated to the Watkins line, so he hired
                   the hauling.  The first of April, 1917, he finished that
                   effort and started driving the milk truck himself.
Tents (June 1917)   Moved into tents, on Telegraph Road, one-half mile north of
                   Flat Rock, alongside the RR tracks.  It was a wooded area
                   and Telegraph was then a sand and dirt road.  They lived
                   there until September of 1917.  The reason they had to do
                   this was because he couldn't find a house to live in.  The
                   war was on and housing was so tight they couldn't get a
                   place to live.  (This related by Stanley)
Halls house  1917   Harvey moved the family into this house in September
                   It was on Huron River Drive, halfway between Flat Rock and
                   Rockwood.  He hauled milk and was doing well, until Jan. 1
                   of 1918, when a creamery opened up in Monroe, and they took
                   half of his load.  He kept going until April, in mid April
                   he had a bad attack of apendicitis he wouldn't go to the
                   hospital, even though the doctor told him he would die.  It
                   broke in a few days, and he was taken to the hospital.
                   Stanley had to drive the milk truck for a week, until
                   Harveys wife, Pearl, could make arrangments to have the
                   truck driven by a neighboring farmer.  Harvey was in the
                   hospital for three weeks, and returned home.  The First
                   World War was going on then and he went down to the Detroit
                   Ship Building Co, Wyandotte, and got a job as a watchman.
                   He was still not fully recovered, but could set down and
                   check the men in and out on this job. He did this for 3
                   months   (received .50 cents per hour), then got a job
                   maintaing and coaling the steam cranes and locomotives.
                   He worked from 11:00 PM until 7:00 AM and got paid .70
                   cents per hour, this was a top wage in the shipyard.  He
                   worked there until April of 1920.  He had moved to the
                   Knight farm in 1919, but didn't do any farming, as Stanley
                   was by then old enough to do most of the work necessary.
Knight        1919  George Knight farm two miles west of Trenton on West Road
VanSickle     1921  George VanSickle farm on 6 mi. rd. one mile east of Salem MI
                   It was on this farm that Stanley found many Indian
                   artifacts, in a field having a large maple tree, he found
                   many of them under this tree.
Mason         1925  Mason farm on Townline road which is now Joy Road, just
                   around the corner from the Murray farm that he had once
                   tried to purchase. On Jan. 1st of 1929, Stanley left this
                   farm and went to MI State Agricultural College to
                   enroll in the Short Course of Agriculture, which was a 2
                   year course in Agriculture.
Munn          1929  Hershel Munn farm on Six mile road one mile west of Salem.
Spaulding     1932  On the Chelsea Manchester Road, now M-52.
Lamming       1935  On Kemner road, north of Manchester
Occidental    1941  On M-50, one mile west of Tecumseh
HOME          1944  Final home, built a house just north of Manchester, on
                   corner of an 80 acre farm.  He never farmed it, was working
                   as a carpenter, and then was injured in an auto accident,
                   in 1947, and then quit work alltogether.  Subquently sold
                   the land, retaing a few acres along the road and a small
                   wooded area, approx. 14 acres.  This is now the site of
                   the Manchester Bank.

Harvey was killed in a single vehicle auto accident.  He went off the road in
a curve near Grass Lake and was killed.  The family did not want an atopsy, at
that time it was not manditory, so none was preformed.  There was disagreement
however as to why he died.  Some felt that another car, that didn't stop, ran
him off the road, others felt he had a heart attack, while others felt that he
may have been going too fast and couldn't take the curve.  No one knows!


678. Vera Mae Proctor

Vera was born at Samuel Proctors (her grandfather) farm, he was then living on
Ford road, Plymouth, on March 26, 1907.  The Harvey Proctor family was then
living on the Truesdale farm.

My father, Stanley, never told me how Vera died, but I was told by Aunt
Florence that it was in child birth.
Her husband, Harold Carley, had wanted to take
her into the hospital but her father, my grandfather Harvey Proctor, exerted
enough control that he didn't do it.  She apparently died at birth in the
home. Grandpa Proctor, Harvey, blamed Harold for her death and appar-
ently some very harsh words were exchanged.  Harold left soon after the funeral
and was never heard from again according to Stanley and Aunt Florence. I never
heard any reference to Harold Carley aside from this information from Aunt
Florence, and no one talked very much about Aunt Vera.
Harvey, her father, had her maiden name (Proctor), placed on the tombstone and
wouldn't recognize her husband Harold.  Harold later moved back to Canada where
he was from, no one ever admitted they heard for him again although Aunt
Florence had his death date.
They were married May 1, 1929 in Salem, Washtenaw MI


Harold Carley

Harold Carley married Vera Mae Proctor on May 1, 1929, in Salem, MI
For all practical purposes no one admits ever hearing of Harold
after Veras death.  Aunt Florence seemed to have some knowldge about him.  It
would seem appropate that with Vera being Florences older sister, 3 or 4 years
apart, that they may have been close enough so that when she died, Florence
kept in touch with Harold Carley, but wouldn't admit it to anyone?  Who knows?
except Aunt Florence, see her notes for clues.


687. Harvey Proctor Jr.

Born November 11, 1923, when family was living on the George VanSickle farm,
located on Six mile road, one mile east of Salem, Mi.

Harvey was called Junior
by everyone, and I can remember him as he was the youngest and would always
play with me and other cousins when we visited Grandma and Grandpa Proctor.
He drowned in the Manchester mill pond the week before he was to graduate from
high school, May 16, 1943.  He had been out in a boat with two other boys fool-
around in the water.  No one knew why, but the boat turned over and Jr. coundn't
swim well enough in the very cold water and he never made it the 30 or 40 yards
to shore.
He is buried in the Proctor and Place family plot in Northview Cemetary,
Dearborn MI.

This family line submitted by John E. Proctor (brn 1933) of Stillwell KS 4/96


471. Flora May Place

Flora married George Maynard on April 16th, 1913 in Plymouth MI

In his memories Stanley Proctor relates that during the winters of 1925/26 &
1926/27 he and his girlfriend, Lucile Latson, went to visit Aunt Flora and
Uncle George.  Stanley was going to MAC at that time taking Agriculture Short
Courses.  They lived on a farm about six miles from East Lansing, on Grand
River Avenue.  "Aunt Flora loved to eat fish, but Uncle George wouldn't eat
them.  Occasionally Sunt Flora would invite Lucile and I over for a fish
dinner.  We always had a good time with them."


472. Addie Dell Place

Addie was married three times:
1. Materia, Joseph on 19 Feb. 1902, B: Mar. 1880 New Boston MI D:14 Dec 1915
2. Westfall, Frank on 12 Jul. 1926, B: 13 Mar 1883 Perrenville MI D:12 Aug 1939
3. Rice, William on 18 Nov 1943, B: 1871 Romulus MI  D: 7 Jun 1946


Joseph Matevia

Joseph Matevia married Addie Dell Place, she was the sister of Pearl
Florence Place.  Pearl was the mother of Stanley Proctor,
making Joseph his uncle.  They had a son, Glenn, (see notes), who was
one year older than Stanley, cousins, and they often played together during
visits with the familes.

Joe Matevia was the person that got Harvey Proctor into the Watkins
Liniment business.  According to Joe a person could make a lot of money selling
Watkins products, this was probaly true if you spent enough time at it.
However Uncle Joe, who always seemed to have a lot of money and was a big
talker, didn't get his money from selling Watkins products, he had a full time
bar tending job, that no one knew about untill much later.  He only sold
Watking products on the side.  When Harvey tried to get into selling Watkins
products full time he soon learned that there wasn't much money in it.  (Refer
to the detailed Memories by Stanley Proctor for information on this part of the
Proctor family life.)

Joe was killed in an accident with a street car in 1915 or 16.  Aunt Addie and
their boys lived in Plymouth for several years.


474. Grover Cleveland Place

Grover was married twice:
1. Wilson, Anna
2. Cort, Hazel from Southfield MI on 3 Mar 1925 B:28 Jul 1904 D:23 Aug 1988

This family line submitted by John E. Proctor (brn 1933) of Stillwell KS 4/96


475. Carrie Elizabeth Place

obituary "Mrs Carrie Wilson (Carrie E. Place), age 79, wife of Charles L.
Wilson, chairman of the board of Ira Wilson & Sons Dairy Co., died Saturday,
Jan 17th, 1970, in her Birmingham home after a lengthy illness.  She was active
in civic and chariety affairs for many years.  Mrs. Wilson was a member of the
Women's City Club, Colony Town Club, Palmer Woods Garden Club and Order of the
Eastern Star.  In addition to her husband, she is survived by a daughter, Mrs.
Donald Dunnabeck; three sons, Stanley L.; Charles L. Jr.; and Ira II;  two
sisters; 12 grandchildren and one great-grandchild.  Services will be at 1 PM
wednesday, Jan 21st, 1970, in William R. Hamiltons Co.'s Bell Chapel,
Birmingham.  Entombment will be in Woodlawn Cemetery Mausoleum,  Memorial
tributes bay be sent to the American Cancer Society (from the Detroit News of
19 Jan 1970, page 16 A)

Services for Mrs. Carrie Place Wilson, wife of the chairman of the board of
Ira Wilson & Sons Dairy, will be at 1 PM, wednesday at the Bell Chapel of the
William R. Hamilton Co., 820 E. Maple Road, Birmingham.
Mrs. Wilson, 79, died Saturday at her home, 211 Merrill, Birmingham, after a
two year illness.  She was a native of Nankin Township. (Detroit Free Press
Monday 19 Jan 1970, 6-c)


Charles Louis A. Wilson

Charles was on the farm with his father and then continued in the
establishment of the Wilson Dairy Co. Even though his father, Ira kept the
purse strings on the operation, Charles became the real driving force behind
the expansion and success of the Creamery.  It became one of the biggest
in Detroit during the 1930s into the 1950s, finally bought out by Sealtest.
He became a very wealthy person during this time, however there was not much
contact between him and the rest of the Proctor family.  Some of the Proctors
did go to Wilson activities every time they had a chance, and when Pearl
Proctor died, Charles son came to the funeral and everyone thought that it was
very nice that he did, as Charlie was too old to make the trip.

obituary: Charles L. Wilson Sr. age 84, a prominent dairyman and former
Automobile Club of MI president, died yesterday, March 9th, 1975 in the
Georgian Bloomfield Nursing Home, Bloomfield, MI.
Mr. Wilson was former president and chairman of the board of Ira Wilson & Sons
Dairy Co. of Detroit.  He retired from the Automobile Club of MI's board
of directors in 1974, after serving for 29 years.  He was Auto Club president
from 1956 to 1957 and was president of the National AAA in 1960-61.
As a dairmany, he was credited with developing the first bulk tank truck to haul
milk for long distances to processing plants.  This achievement helped change
the dairy industry from small, processing plants to modern and efficient
production facilities.
Mr. Wilson was born on April 30th, 1891, in Livonia Township.  He was the
former board chairman of the Wayne County Road Commission.  He helped direct
the construction and administration of the Detroit Metropolian Airport.  He was
also a civic leader, a past commander of Detorit Commandery 1, Knights Templar,
past Potentate of the Moslem Temple of the Shrine of Detroit, former member of
the MI State Fair board, a member of the Detroit Rotary Club, the Detroit
Athletic Club, the Detroit Yacht Club and past president of the Detroit Golf
Club.
Survivors include three sons, Stanley L., Ira Wilson II, and Charles L. Jr., 12
Grandchildren, and four great-grandchildren.
Services will be held at 1 PM on March 11th, 1975 in the William R. Hamilton
Bell Chapel, Birmingham,  burial will be in Woodlawn Cemetery.  Memorial
tributes may be sent to the Christian Youth, Detroit Commandery 1, 500 Temple
St., Detroit, or the Shrine of Crippled Children, Moslem Temple of the Shrine
of Detroit, 434 Temple St., Detroit.  (Detroit News March, 10th, 1975, E-7)


476. Myrtle Gertrude Place

Myrtle was married 3 times:
1.Chilson, Elmer on 9 Aug 1911 B: 19 Dec 1889; D:22 Oct 1974 (in Florida)
2.Horne, Edward
3.Thompson, William