NOTE: Y-DNA has indicated a mismatch with Group 2 of the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project.
Descendants of this Thomas are listed in ...
Group 13 via sons Burwell C#5349 and John C#5351. AND
Group 8 via son William C-5455 and his son William "Buck" C-13296 and grandson Creed C-13302.COMMENT:
The possibilities of why this maybe include the following reasons.
1) We have two Thomas Carpenters confused with each other.
2) Formal or informal adoption via marriage or some other means. For example: a woman marries and has two children then is widowed. She remarries a Carpenter and her sons assume the Carpenter surname.
For such an event to happen say twice in a row is unlikely. This assumes the twice widow remarries a Carpenter not related to the other Carpenter. That is stretching it. JRC
* Thomas Carpenter-5337 (this person) was first listed as a son of Solomon Carpenter-5330 and Sudnah or Sudrah Hughes but this has been disproved. Solomon Carpenter-5330 has been proved as from being in Group 2 genetically.NAME:
John Carpenter's father Thomas Carpenter was not called "Jack" -- another artifact from copying mistakes in an old and very poorly done genealogy by a fraudulent genealogist discredited in the 1980s after she was shown to be copying Virginia data for a North Carolina ancestor in an attempt to connect to New England ancestors and impress her friends. Y-DNA has disproved a connection between this set of NC Carpenters and the VA Carpenters to whom Thomas "Jack" Carpenter belonged.
According to testimony of a descendant of Thomas in the 1920s, "the Carpenters came from England to America about the time of the Revolutionary war, settling in North Carolina." There is no data showing Thomas was born in VA -- that was another product of the fraudulent genealogy.
Terry Lee Carpenter (TLC)PARENTS:
Biological parents unknown - maybe adopted? Either way the Y-DNA does not come from Solomon Carpenter-5330 of the Providence, RI Carpenter (Group 2) lines!DEATH:
Either he or his wife died either 6 Aug. 1803 or 6 Oct. 1803.*
He was identified as the "eldest son of solomon" in a court case om 5 May 1791
and served during Lord Dunmore's War in Captain John Lewis' company of
Botetourt Volunteers in 1774 with brothers; John, Solomon and Jeremiah. He
was wounded at the Battle of Point Pleasant in westeren Virginia on
10 Oct. 1774, the first battle of the Revolutionary War.
(This was for a different Thomas of VA)
* In the 1800 US Census - His wife is listed as head of house this indicating he was deceased. BUT,
There is another record that matches his information, seemingly indicating he is still alive.
Confusing! See Census data below.BOOK: See page 40 (for notes) of the Mowrey 1997 book. See book information
below:
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY. Terry Lee Carpenter disagrees with the ancestry of
Thomas "Jack" Carpenter. He believes there are 2 Thomas Carpenters confused.
NOTE: Y-DNA Proves TLC was correct!
Page 46: Children of Thomas (16) Carpenter, of Solomon (15), of Joseph (14);
1. John (17) Carpenter presented Solomon's discharge in Botetourt
County court in February of 1780 and proved Solomon (15)'s Ranger service. He
was identified as "son of Thomas Carpenter and heir of Solomon Carpenter" on
this date and was issued a warrant for 60 acres of land as such. This
relationship was restated in another Botetourt County court case on 5 May 1791.
2. William (17) Carpenter - no further information.
3. Thomas (17) Carpenter - no further information.
4. Ruben (17) Carpenter - no further information.
5. Burwell (17) Carpenter - no further information.
Others?
Thomas (16) Carpenter is found in the Nash county, North Carolina censuses
of 1790 and 1800. Reuben and Thomas Jr. are also found in both surveys.
William is in the 1800 census. Burwell is found in the adjoining county of
Wake in 1790 and Nash county in 1800.
After Thomas's demise in 1803, these sons vascillate between
Pendleton and Edgefield Counties in South Carolina and those
counties surrounding Nash in North Carolina through 1840.
This writer (of the above book) has summaries of all of the Carpenters
living in the United States 1790 through 1840 by census and finds them very
helpful at times.COMMENT:
Nash County was created in 1777 from Edgecombe County.CENSUS: 1782 North Carolina State Census
Name: Thomas Carpenter
State: NC
County: Nash County
Year: 1782
Database: NC Early Census Index
Source Information
Ancestry.com. North Carolina, Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index, 1790-1890 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999.
Original data: Jackson, Ron V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp.. North Carolina Census, 1790-1890. Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.
SEE ALSO: Tax List
Name: Thomas Carpenter
State: NC
County: Nash County
Township: Early Tax List
Year: 1782
Database: NC Early Census Index
Source Information
Ancestry.com. North Carolina, Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index, 1790-1890 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999.
Original data: Jackson, Ron V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp.. North Carolina Census, 1790-1890. Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.CENSUS: 1790 - See also wife's notes. - Two Thomas Carpenters next to each other on the same census page.
1)
Name: Tho Carpenter
Home in 1790 (City, County, State): Nash, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - Under 16: 3
Free White Persons - Males - 16 and over: 1 <--- b. 1774 or before
Free White Persons - Females: 5
Number of Slaves : 1
Number of Household Members: 10
Source Citation
Year: 1790; Census Place: Nash, North Carolina; Series: M637; Roll: 7; Page: 6; Image: 19; Family History Library Film: 0568147
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1790 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: First Census of the United States, 1790 (NARA microfilm publication M637, 12 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
2)
Name: Tho Carpenter [Thos Carpenter] - who is this? An undocumented son? *
Home in 1790 (City, County, State): Nash, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - 16 and over: 1 <---- b. 1774 or before
Number of Household Members: 1
Source Citation
Year: 1790; Census Place: Nash, North Carolina; Series: M637; Roll: 7; Page: 6; Image: 19; Family History Library Film: 0568147
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1790 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: First Census of the United States, 1790 (NARA microfilm publication M637, 12 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.CENSUS: 1800 - This is NOT the undocumented son. See also Thomas wife's notes.
Name: Thomas Carpenter
Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Hallifax, Nash, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1 <---- b. 1755 or earlier.
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 2
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over: 1
Number of Slaves: 1
Number of Household Members Under 16: 2
Number of Household Members Over 25: 2
Number of Household Members: 5
Source Citation
Year: 1800; Census Place: Hallifax, Nash, North Carolina; Series: M32; Roll: 32; Page: 95; Image: 104; Family History Library Film: 337908
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1800 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Second Census of the United States, 1800. NARA microfilm publication M32 (52 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
Second Census of the United States, 1800: Population Schedules, Washington County, Territory Northwest of the River Ohio; and Population Census, 1803: Washington County, Ohio. NARA microfilm publication M1804 (1 roll).E-MAIL: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 From: Terry Lee Carpenter "diluvius@flash.net"
WFT is a big problem -- they just copy it and sell it, and they do put
on a warning to check out the data but it is most often ignored
completely. The disclaimer keeps them from being legally liable, but
they know darn good and well what people are doing with the information
and don't care as long as there is a buck to be made from the
unsuspecting customer.
A genealogy faker put together a fake lineage from Thomas Carpenter of
Nash Co. NC back to Thomas "Jack" Carpenter and Joseph
(SEE HIS SON JOHN AND THE NOTES!)
Carpenter of Botetourt, that has been circulating for well over 20 years now.
All attempts to correct it have so far gone largely ignored because many of
the descendants don't want it challenged and have actively tried to
discredit anyone who tried to help them correct it. But in the long
run, the truth will come out and the fakers will be discredited
themselves. There are several others similar to that one that are also
circulating widely at present. Just beware of the undocumented data out
there! Regards, Terry Lee Carpenter.
MARRIAGE:
Marriage either 1760 or 1767. Birth either 1740 or 1747.NAME: AF has name as "Mary Lee Leigh Carpenter."
Carpenter is married name. "Lee" is the commonly accepted last name, however
one record has last name as "LEIGH".DEATH:
See husband's notes.Submitted by Donna Carpenter in April 1998.
FROM LEE FAMILY TREE
MARY LEE d/o JAMES LEE & FRANCES ___
d. 1829 Nash County, NC
m. THOMAS CARPENTER before 1771
d. August 6, 1803 Nash County, NC
ISSUE: (From division of T. Carpenter's estate, February, 1804,
Nash County, N. C.
1. 'BURWELL CARPENTER
2. JOHN CARPENTER
3. REUBEN CARPENTER
4. WiLLIAM CARPENTER
5. FANNY CARPENTER m. WILLIAM MANOR
6. BETSY CARPENTER m. ABRAHAM WINBOURN
7. POLLY CARPENTER m. THOMAS BRYANT
8. JAMES CARPENTER
d. Before 1804
ISSUE: Patsy CARPENTER, POLLY CARPENTER
Mary Carpenter's estate was settled August. 1832, Nash County, N. C.
CENSUS RECORDS 1790 NASH CO. N.C.
THOMAS CARPENTER over 16
1 m under 16 wife & 1 boy 16+ & 1 girl -16
2 f
(1 slave)
1800 NASH CO. N.C.
THOMAS CARPENTER - over 45 b. bfr 1755
1 f - over 45
b. bf 1755
2 f - 10-16 wife and 2 girls
10 to 16yrs
(1 slave)
ROBERT LEE, s/o JAMES LEE & FRANCES____________
November 1, 1777: ROBERT LEE of Anson County, North Carolina
sold to THOMAS CARPENTER, 100 a. on E/bank of Mocassin Creek.
Wit: JAMES LEE ...TRAVIS LEE (Edgecomb County, N. C. Deed Book 3, p. 296).***************
CENSUS: 1800 US Census
Name: Mary Carpenter <--- This is Mary Lee-5339
Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Hillsborough, Wake, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Males -10 thru 15: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 1 <--- b. 1775 to 1884
Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44: 1 <--- b. 1756 to 1774
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over: 1 <--- b. 1755 or before <-----------
Number of Household Members Under 16: 3
Number of Household Members Over 25: 3
Number of Household Members: 7
Source Citation
Year: 1800; Census Place: Hillsborough, Wake, North Carolina; Series: M32; Roll: 32; Page: 724; Image: 725; Family History Library Film: 337908
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1800 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Second Census of the United States, 1800. NARA microfilm publication M32 (52 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
Second Census of the United States, 1800: Population Schedules, Washington County, Territory Northwest of the River Ohio; and Population Census, 1803: Washington County, Ohio. NARA microfilm publication M1804 (1 roll).
CENSUS: 1786 North Carolina Census
Name: Samuel Carpenter
State: NC
County: Warren County
Township: Coleloughs District
Year: 1786
Record Type: State or colonial census
Page: 004
Database: NC Early Census Index
Source Information
Ancestry.com. North Carolina, Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index, 1790-1890 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999.
Original data: Jackson, Ron V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp.. North Carolina Census, 1790-1890. Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.CENSUS: 1790 US Census
Name: Saml Carpenter [Samuel Carpenter]
Home in 1790 (City, County, State): Wake, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - Under 16: 3
Free White Persons - Males - 16 and over: 2 <--- Born 1774 or before - adjustment for 3 males & 4 females say 14 years say b. 1760 or before
Free White Persons - Females: 5
Number of Slaves : 1
Number of Household Members: 11
Source Citation
Year: 1790; Census Place: Wake, North Carolina; Series: M637; Roll: 7; Page: 244; Image: 147; Family History Library Film: 0568147
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1790 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: First Census of the United States, 1790 (NARA microfilm publication M637, 12 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.LAND: 1799 - image
Name: Samuel Carpenter
Issue Date: 15 Feb 1799
Residence Place: Wake, North Carolina, USA
Certificate Number Range: 1222-1505
Description: Wake 1222-1505
Source Information
Ancestry.com. North Carolina, Land Grant Files, 1693-1960 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016.
Original data: North Carolina Land Grants. Microfilm publication, 770 rolls. North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh, North Carolina.
NOTE:
Grant No. 671, Issued 15th Feb 1799.
Entered 10 Sep 1793, Book No. 100, Page # 422.
Location: On the rosters of Neils Creek.CENSUS: 1800 US Census - not found in the area
MORE WAKE COUNTY CARPENTERS in 1790 US CENSUS
A)
Name: Burwell Carpenter
Home in 1790 (City, County, State): Wake, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - Under 16: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 16 and over: 1
Free White Persons - Females: 5
Number of Household Members: 7
Source Citation
Year: 1790; Census Place: Wake, North Carolina; Series: M637; Roll: 7; Page: 246; Image: 148; Family History Library Film: 0568147
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1790 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: First Census of the United States, 1790 (NARA microfilm publication M637, 12 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
B)
Name: William Carpenter
Home in 1790 (City, County, State): Wake, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - Under 16: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 16 and over: 1
Free White Persons - Females: 4
Number of Household Members: 7
Source Citation
Year: 1790; Census Place: Wake, North Carolina; Series: M637; Roll: 7; Page: 276; Image: 163; Family History Library Film: 0568147
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1790 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: First Census of the United States, 1790 (NARA microfilm publication M637, 12 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
C)
Name: Benjamin Carpenter [Benjamen Carpenter]
Home in 1790 (City, County, State): Wake, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - Under 16: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 16 and over: 1
Free White Persons - Females: 1
Number of Household Members: 4
Source Citation
Year: 1790; Census Place: Wake, North Carolina; Series: M637; Roll: 7; Page: 244; Image: 147; Family History Library Film: 0568147
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1790 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: First Census of the United States, 1790 (NARA microfilm publication M637, 12 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
4. Temp "Read Notes" Carpenter
This is a Temporary "Temp" person - name unknown. Likely born in North Carolina but unknown which county in NC. Maybe leaning slightly towards the Nash County, NC cluster and descendants of Thomas C-5337.