Group 13 - Descendants of an English line of Unknown Origin
This Carpenter genetic line settled in North Carolina then southward
Notes
44.
William "Buck" Carpenter
NOTE:
Per Carolyn Spence of Trinity, NC in a letter dated 8 Mar 1999.
2. WILLIAM BUCK2 CARPENTER (WILLIAM1)1 was born 1802-1812, and died Bef. 1897.
He married (1) MELINDA RICHARDSON. He married (2) NANCY BRANNOCK May 10, 1876
in Surry Co. NC.
Notes for WILLIAM BUCK CARPENTER:
I uncovered a mystery to me in the NC Marriage records. It may be possible
that "Buck" re-married after Melinda's death. Surry Co. records: William
Carpenter age 59, son of William and Rody Carpenter, both dead, married Nancy
Brannock age 30, daughter of William and Caty Brannock on May 10, 1876.
This same Nancy Brannock Carpenter, daughter of William and Katie Brannock
married at age 50 in Alleghany Co. NC, Ambrose Willey age 65, ( he fibbed about
his age. He was actually 75 or 76 ) father of Thomas Willey. Date was
2/11/1897. 1900 Alleghany Census records show household consisting of Ambrose
Willey, Nancy, and Susan Carpenter Wolfe, step daughter and William Wolfe, son
in law. Susan Carpenter Wolfe was born about 1879. Susan was probably a
daughter of William Carpenter.
Nancy Brannock Carpenter Willey was Thomas Willey's step-mother. If Nancy did
indeed marry "Buck" Carpenter, then Thomas Willey's wife Martha Jane Carpenter
was a step-daughter to Nancy Brannock Carpenter Willey also. This could have
been how Thomas Willey and Martha Jane met.
Buck's children Creed and John's marriage licenses dated 1874 and 1876 state
their mother dead, their father living. If this is the same William Carpenter,
then his parents were named William and Rody.
Information found 2-16-1999 by Carolyn Elliott at the Forsyth County Library: A
marriage license was found for Frances S. Carpenter and W.H. Wolfe who married
on 8-11-1899 says that Susan's parents were Buck and Nancy Carpenter. So this
solves the above mystery. Nancy Brannock Carpenter Willey was step-mother to
both Martha and Thomas Willey. It also proves that Buck Carpenter's parents
were William and Rody (Rhoda?) Carpenter.
MORE NOTES: He went by " Buck " Carpenter.
William was age thirty-eight on the 1850 Surry , NC census. Lydia
was forty-one. Children: Collumbus Age eleven-Jesse age ten-Mary age 9-
Caroline age 8- Creed age 7- John age six- Elizabeth age 10 months.
Buck Carpenter was age sixty-eight on the 1870 Surry census and
Malinda was age sixty. Children: Mary age thirty - Creed age twenty-three
- Caroline age twenty - John age nineteen - Bettie age sixteen - Albert
age sixteen ? -Jane age twelve.
NOTE: AUNT ROSA " Grandpa Carpenter was married 3 times. I don't know who
his second wife was. He married Jeff Brannock's mother. They did not have
children" (then who was Frances age two in the household below?)
NOTE: If in fact he was married three times, there are possibly other
children?
Between 1870 and 1880, Malinda has died and William remarried Nancy
Brannock 10-May-1876. He is age sixty-six and Nancy is thirty. He has a
stepson, Jefferson Brannock, age nine and a new daughter, Francis age
Two. All the older children are in households of their own.This census
taken 17-June-1880, by Wm. H. Wolf, probably a grandfather or uncle of
the William H. Wolf, son of John, who married Susan Francis.
There is also a grandson John T. Carpenter age 9 in his 1880 household,
probably John Thomas, son of Elizabeth.
Nancy Brannock Carpenter married 11- February -1897 Ambrose Willey
therefore, William probably died between 1880 and 1897.
NOTE:There was a William Carpenter age 32, wife Henrietta age 23 and son
Samuel age 7 months on 1860 Wilkes census.
In 1870 Wilkes census William is age 42, Henrietta is age 30, and
still only one child, Samuel age 9.
I haven't placed this William.
CHILDREN: Carolyn does not have a separate Martha or an unknown child as
child number 12. The unknown child probably was Frances Susan Carpenter who
came from the second marriage of "Buck". She is probably correct.
E-MAIL: Tue, 11 Jan 2000
From: "Dillon & Genoal RUSSELL"
Mr Carpenter, your CD about the Carpenters interests me. I have done some
research on my Carpenter family but know only a little more than when I
started the research.
James Ludwell Carpenter born 1776-1793 married 1) Beedy------ 2) Eleanor
Broadway.
He settled in Anson Co. N.C. Now Stanly Co in early 1800's. He died before
Nov.1853 and was buried on his homeplace in what is now Stanly Co. N.C.
Ludwell was my ggggrandfather.
His children were
Thomas b.ca.1802
Lucy b ca.1803
Williamson b. ca. 1810
Gilliam b. ca.1813
Elizabeth
James b. ca.1814
Shelby b.ca. 1815 died Feb.12 1895
John
Beedy
William Doctor
Allen
Eleanor
Nancy
Churchwell
Simeon
Green
We have yet to find James Ludwell's parents. It is believed that William
(Buck) Carpenter that settled in Anson Co. was a brother to James Ludwell.
The father of James Ludwell may have been a son of John Carpenter of Green
Co.Alabama. John was a son of Thomas Carpenter of Nash Co. N.C.
I have some more information on some of these Carpenters.
Just wondered if you had run across any of these Carpenters in your
research.
Thank you Genoal Russell.
Melinda or Malinda Richardson
AFN 77RN-QM (Melinda) and CXR1-6T (Lidia) are the same person.
Per Carolyn Spence of Trinity, NC in a letter dated 8 Mar 1999.
Notes for MELINDA RICHARDSON:
I suspect that Melinda was a sister to Alexander Richardson, who married Martha
Cheek. Alexander Richardson witnessed a deed for Andrew Willey in 1846. The
deed was selling land to Chesley Cheek.
NAME: aka: Lydia, Lidia and Liddie.
135.
Columbus Carpenter
More About COLUMBUS CARPENTER by Caroline Spense of Trinity, NC:
Fact 1: Enlisted 5/3/1862 Wilkes Co. NC 61st Inf.
Fact 2: Not in 1870 census. May have died in CSA.
No information on Columbus. May have died in CSA. Enlisted 3-May-1862 in
Wilkes county NC 61st. Infantry. Possibly missing in action (MIA)?
Civil War MIA!
136.
Jesse Carpenter
Did he fight in the War between the States with CSA forces?
More About JESSE CARPENTER by Caroline Spense of Trinity, NC:
Fact 1: Not in 1870 census. May have died in CSA.
No information on Jesse. Aunt Rosa Carpenter told me that he may have
went to Texas. He may have served in the Confederate Army (CSA) during the
Civil War. Possible Civil War MIA.
138.
Carolina or Caroline Carpenter
No information has been found on Caroline. Some of the older children
of William and Lydia/Malinda Carpenter reportedly went to, possibly
Texas. Caroline may have been one of them. I have found no marriage
record for her.
146.
12 Carpenter
Listed as LIVING in the AF.
Nancy Brannock
Nancy ? Brannock, mother of Jeff Brannock, was the second wife of
William (Buck) Carpenter. They possibly had a daughter, Susan, who
married William Wolf. After Buck Carpenter died Nancy married Ambrose
Willey.
147.
Jeff Brannock
Born before parents were married.
45.
Samuel Carpenter
SPECULATIVE.
CENSUS: 1830 US Census - maybe ... maybe not ...
Name: Saml Carpender [Saml Carpenter]
Home in 1830 (City, County, State): McMinn, Tennessee
Free White Persons - Males - Under 5: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 20 thru 29: 1 <--- b. abt 1801/1810
Free White Persons - Females - 20 thru 29: 1
Free White Persons - Under 20: 2
Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 2
Total Free White Persons: 4
Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 4
Source Citation
1830; Census Place: McMinn, Tennessee; Series: M19; Roll: 178; Page: 146; Family History Library Film: 0024536
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1830 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fifth Census of the United States, 1830. (NARA microfilm publication M19, 201 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
CENSUS: 1840 US Census
46.
John H. Carpenter
BIRTH: 1830 and abt 1816 given for births. John was a blacksmith.
This Carpenter Descendancy line updated by Nanalee Wrenn on Tue, 08 Aug 2000
via E-MAIL. Nanalee Wrenn of Advance, NC.
(NOTE: This email bounces in Nov 2007.)
Are two families mixed here?
CENSUS: 1850 US Census
Name: John H Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1850
Event Place: Skull Camp, Surry, North Carolina, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Marital Status:
Race (Original):
Race:
Birthplace: North Carolina
Birth Year (Estimated): 1820
House Number: 735
Family Number: 735
Line Number: 22
Affiliate Publication Number: M432
Affiliate Film Number: 646
GS Film number: 444659
Digital Folder Number: 004204425
Image Number: 00323
Household Gender Age Birthplace
John H Carpenter M 30 North Carolina
Elizabeth Carpenter F 30 North Carolina
William Carpenter M 7 North Carolina
Benjamin Carpenter M 5 North Carolina
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M4BK-H1S : accessed 13 Jan 2014), John H Carpenter, Skull Camp, Surry, North Carolina, United States; citing dwelling 735, family 735, NARA microfilm publication M432, roll 646.
CENSUS: 1860 US Census
Name: John Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1860
Event Place: Mt Airy District, Surry, North Carolina, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 44
Race: White
Race (Original):
Birth Year (Estimated): 1816
Birthplace: North Carolina
Page: 59
Household ID: 390
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M653
GS Film Number: 803914
Digital Folder Number: 004237520
Image Number: 00513
Household Gender Age Birthplace
John Carpenter M 44 North Carolina
Eliz Carpenter F 40 North Carolina
Wm Carpenter M 15 North Carolina
Ben Carpenter M 13 North Carolina
Ambrose Carpenter M 12 North Carolina
Gidion Carpenter M 8 North Carolina
Jno Carpenter M 6 North Carolina
Wiley Carpenter M 1 North Carolina
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1860," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MD6C-JQV : accessed 13 Jan 2014), John Carpenter, Mt Airy District, Surry, North Carolina, United States; citing "1860 U.S. Federal Census - Population," Fold3.com; p. , family , NARA microfilm publication ; FHL microfilm 803914.
If so, then the following census is not correct.
CENSUS: 1860 US Census - See image: RIN 44619 John Carpenter 1860.jpg
Name: J W Carpenter
Residence: , De Soto, Mississippi
Ward:
Age: 29 years
Estimated Birth Year: 1831
Birthplace: North Carolina
Gender: Male
Page: 166
Family Number: 1194
Film Number: 803581
DGS Number: 4233364
Image Number: 00170
NARA Number: M653
Collection: United States Census, 1860
E-MAIL: Re: Carpenter 2000CD Date: 99-06-01
From: PaW Zake@aol.com To: JRCRIN001
Thanks for responding: We'll try this ...
James W. Carpenter was born about 1861 in DeSoto County, Miss
He married Cass Crow about 1876-1879 They lived in Tate Co.
He died 11/11/1931 In Titus county, TX.
I believe that his father was John W. Carpenter born 1831-1833 in NC
Md Mary C 1853-1855
Died between 1861 and 1865 (in war?)
He was in DeSoto Co, Miss in 1860 as J W, but 1863 Military Tax lists only
show John W.
1860 census shows worth of 4800 and 17,500
John and Mary's children: J.B. male about 1856 WT sex unknown abt 1858
James W. abt 1861
In 1870 DeSoto County Miss they are with J G Worrell and Mary has two new
Worrell children the oldest born about 1866.
If you need more, please contact me--have hit a brick wall. Have been trying
to find military records for a JW and found a Capt. JM Carpenter from
Tishomingo, Co who was killed 7/28/1864 and a JW Carpenter who was found on a
POW list and muster records from2/15/1862-10-1864 from Pontotoc County, but
does not say if he lived or died.
Thank you for any assistance. Have records on descendants if this matches up!!
*****************************************************
E-MAIL: Subject: J.W. Carpenter of DeSoto Co. MISP Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999
From: PaWZake@aol.com
Have been lurking for a while and now feel I can post:
1860 DeSoto MISP Census
J.W. Carpenter, 29 NC
M.C. 23 GA
J.B. 4 MISP
W.T. 1 MISP
He had a personal value of 4800 and 17500. That seems large for
those days and the surrounding valuations by others. Granny said that they
lost a plantation in the War and that a town is now built where it was. Is
this value enough for a small plantation??
1863 Military Tax Lists only a John W. Carpenter so probably is his name.
1870 De Soto Co believe that the following is his wife and new husband. If
this is her, then maybe J.W. was killed in Civil WAr.
J.G. Worrell 42 TN
Mary C 32 GA
J.B. Carpenter 14`` MISP
W.T. Carpenter 12 MISP
J.W. Carpenter 9 MISP
Lilla Worrell 4
Annie Worrell 1
Believe that either the JB or the JW is the following:
1880 Tate County MISP
James Carpenter 24 MISP
Cassa 23 MISP
Willie 1 MISP
James and Cassa(na) were married in Carroll County 2/28/1878.
Cass's father Riley Crow married his second wife Elizabeth Johnson in Carroll
County 1/17/1878.
Believe that J.G. Worrell and Mary may have moved to Caroll County after 1870.
Have not been able to match my James W. Carpenter who married Cassana with
any Carrol County Carpenters.
Am new to this so any leads appreciated.
E-MAIL:
From: Mike Carpenter mikenlooo@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 12:16 PM
To: JR Carpenter
Subject: Notes for John H Carpenter
Hi John,
Are PaWZake@aol.com and wrenn37@yadtel.net still living? They might have some info on my Carpenter ancestors.
I looked over their notes on John H Carpenter, b.1816, Surry, NC that you have on your Carpenter/Zimmerman family tree on Family Search (). I zeroed in on him because I'm researching my greatgreatgrandfather, J W Carpenter.
I'm 90% sure of the following 3 points:
1. John H is not J W Carpenter.
There's at least a 10 yr age discrepancy when you compare them on the 1850 & 1860 US Census.
Death certificates for J W's sons, W T & J B, list his initials as J W, not J H.
2. James W is not Johnny William, the son of J W and brother of J B and WT.
The 1900 US Census lists Johnny William's name as John W. Living next to both of his brothers.
The 1910 US Census lists John W and his family.
His reat grandson says his name was Johnnie W.
3. The correct surname for Mary C Carpenter's second husband was Norvell, not Novvell or Worrell.
The type written death certificates for their daughters, Lillie and Annie, list his name as Norvell.
W T's typed death certificate lists Mary's name as Mary Norvell Carpenter
The 1870 and 1880 US Census show that the name definitely starts with an N.
I'm always open to new information and evidence. I also realize that this is just 1 family out of the many you're trying to keep track of.
Mike Carpenter
Elizabeth Richardson
NAME: Went by Lydie? Possible sister to Malinda Richardson?
151.
Benjamin Carpenter
May have married 1865 Mary A. Howlet in Surry , NC
154.
John B. or W. Carpenter
CENSUS: 1860 US Census - see father's notes
Name: J B Carpenter
Residence: , De Soto, Mississippi
Ward:
Age: 4 years
Estimated Birth Year: 1856
Birthplace: Mississippi
Gender: Male
Page: 166
Family Number: 1194
Film Number: 803581
DGS Number: 4233364
Image Number: 00170
NARA Number: M653
Collection: United States Census, 1860
47.
Lewis Peter Carpenter
SPECULATED PARENT is William C-5455 b. 1770 , Nash, NC - NOPE!- Need to check out others if any info links them more solidly.
MARRIAGE: 1842
Name: Lewis P. Carpenter
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Mary Kirks
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 09 Dec 1842
Event Place: Wake,North Carolina
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M51600-7
System Origin: North_Carolina-ODM
GS Film number: 6330291
Reference ID:
Citing this Record:
"North Carolina, Marriages, 1759-1979," Database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F8BJ-C8H : accessed 19 June 2015), Lewis P. Carpenter and Mary Kirks, 09 Dec 1842; citing Wake,North Carolina, reference ; FHL microfilm 6,330,291.
CENSUS: 1850 US Census
Name: L P Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1850
Event Place: Murray county, Murray, Georgia, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 31
Race: White
Race (Original):
Birth Year (Estimated): 1819
Birthplace: North Carolina
Household ID: 1663
House Number: 1663
Line Number: 9
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M432
Affiliate Film Number: 78
GS Film Number: 442887
Digital Folder Number: 004191557
Image Number: 00544
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
L P Carpenter M 31 North Carolina ---> Occupation Farmer
Mary Carpenter F 30 Virginia
Ann Carpenter F 6 North Carolina
James Carpenter M 3 North Carolina
Mary J Carpenter F 0 Tennessee
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1850," Database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZYC-4BG : accessed 19 June 2015), L P Carpenter, Murray county, Murray, Georgia, United States; citing family 1663, NARA microfilm publication M432 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).
NOTE: Benjamin Carpenter age 43 M NC - is bapt Clergyman - is next door.
CENSUS: 1860 US Census
Name: Lewis P Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1860
Event Place: Second Dist, Bradley, Tennessee, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 41
Race: White
Race (Original): [Blank]
Birth Year (Estimated): 1819
Birthplace: North Carolina
Page: 215
Household ID: 1428
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M653
GS Film Number: 805241
Digital Folder Number: 004296181
Image Number: 00337
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Lewis P Carpenter M 41 North Carolina
Mary Carpenter F 14 Virginia
Ann A Carpenter F 17 North Carolina
James Carpenter M 15 North Carolina
Mary J Carpenter F 11 Tennessee
Margaret Carpenter F 7 Tennessee
Elijah Carpenter M 3 Tennessee
Philip A Carpenter M 0 Tennessee
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1860," Database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8YS-5BK : accessed 19 June 2015), Lewis P Carpenter, Second Dist, Bradley, Tennessee, United States; from "1860 U.S. Federal Census - Population," database, Fold3.com (http://www.fold3.com : n.d.); citing p. 215, household ID 1428, NARA microfilm publication M653 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.); FHL microfilm 805,241.
CENSUS: 1870 US Census
CENSUS: 1880 US Census
Name: L P Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1880
Event Place: District 2, Bradley, Tennessee, United States
District: 147
Gender: Male
Age: 61
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Race (Original): W
Occupation: Farmer
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Self
Birth Year (Estimated): 1819
Birthplace: North Carolina, United States
Father's Birthplace: North Carolina, United States
Mother's Birthplace: North Carolina, United States
Sheet Number and Letter: 354A
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: T9
Affiliate Film Number: 1245
GS Film Number: 1255245
Digital Folder Number: 004244535
Image Number: 00717
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
L P Carpenter Self M 61 North Carolina, United States
T R Green Grandson M 4 Tennessee, United States
Mary A Carpenter Wife F 61 Virginia, United States
P A Carpenter Son M 20 Tennessee, United States
M E Green Daughter F 25 Tennessee, United States
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1880," Database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MDQG-2YP : accessed 19 June 2015), L P Carpenter, District 2, Bradley, Tennessee, United States; citing enumeration district 147, sheet 354A, NARA microfilm publication T9 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 1245; FHL microfilm 1,255,245.
CENSUS: 1890 US Census - burned
CENSUS: 1900 US Census - With Eligice (Elijah) and his family. Extract follows.
Name: Louis P Carpenter
Age: 81
Marital Status: Widowed
Relationship to Head of Household: Father
Years Married:
Birth Date: Jun 1819
Birthplace: North Carolina
Marriage Year (Estimated):
Immigration Year:
Father's Birthplace: North Carolina
Mother's Birthplace: North Carolina
E-MAIL:
From: Terry Carpenter mailto:diluvius@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:46 AM
To: John R Carpenter mailto:jrcrin001@cox.net> ; John 00 Chandler mailto:john.chandler@alum.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project Group 22 possible connetion to FTDNA #425235?
John R. and John F.,
Apologies for not replying to this earlier. I have not been able to place Lewis Peter Carpenter in an established family group, so I carry him in my notes as possibly descended from the Nash Co. NC Reuben Carpenter via Wake Co. NC where he was taxed in 1840, or from the Carpenters A'Plenty group (Group 5), or the Germanna group (Group 22). Hopefully the YDNA will resolve this issue.
Terry
157.
James Carpenter
CENSUS: 1850 US Census - with parents
CENSUS: 1860 US Census - with parents
CENSUS: 1870 US Census
CENSUS: 1880 US Census - not with family
CENSUS: 1890 US Census - burned
CENSUS: 1900 US Census
CENSUS: 1910 US Census
CENSUS: 1920 US Census
CENSUS: 1930 US Census
CENSUS: 1940 US Census
158.
Mary Jane Carpenter
CENSUS: 1850 US Census - Age 8/12 as of June 1850 - enumerated 11 Nov 1850. - Clearly born in Oct 1849.
GRAVE:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=85817822
Mary Jane "Auntie" Carpenter Manis
Birth: Oct. 29, 1850 -----------------------> 1 year younger
Polk County
Tennessee, USA
Death: Jul. 11, 1928
Cleveland
Bradley County
Tennessee, USA
Name: Mary J Manis
[Mary J Carpenter]
Cause of death: unknown heart trouble died suddenley
Birth Date: 1851
Birth Place: Polk County, Tennessee
Age: 77
Death Date: 11 Jul 1928
Death Place: Cleveland, Bradley, Tennessee
Burial Date: 13 Jul 1928
Cemetery Name: Lebonon Cemetery
Gender: Female
Race: White
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Housekeeping
Father's Name: L P Carpenter
Father's Birth Place: North Carolina
Informant: J.A. Johnson
FHL Film Number: 1876742
Burial:
Lebanon Baptist Cemetery
Cleveland
Bradley County
Tennessee, USA
Plot: Row 10
Maintained by: Jim McKinney
Originally Created by: Laurie Wilson
Record added: Feb 27, 2012
Find A Grave Memorial# 85817822
48.
Phillip Carpenter
A Phillip Carpenter Married Sally Ann Gladhoun 18-May-1853 in Surry
county , NC. The 1860 Surry census a Phillip Carpenter age 38 a tenant, born in
NC, wife S. L. age 23, two sons, Wm. age 5 and Wilburn, age 3.
The 1870 Wilkes coutny NC census a Phillip Carpenter was age 35, wife
Lolina, age 30, four children: William age 16, John age 11, Sarah age 7,
and Nancy age 3.
ROGER CARPENTER__998-6956 of ADVANCE, NC.
Ancestors: Henry and\or George Gentry were adopted by Phillip
Carpenter,perhaps children of a second or third wife.
They Took the Carpenter name. He knows little else.
A Phillip Carpenter married, 2-April-1873, in Surry , NC Martha J.
Killion.
NOTE: I know very little about Phillip and I have no proof that he was
the son of William and Rhody. Most of my Carpenter research was done a
long time ago. This was the family that I started this hobby with, and
did not really know what I was doing (still don't) several people that I
talked with, at that time said that they thought Phillip was a son of
William or, rather a brother of William Jr.
This Carpenter Descendancy line updated by Nanalee Wrenn on Tue, 08 Aug 2000
via E-MAIL. Nanalee Wrenn of Advance, NC.
Lolina S. L.
NAME Lolina ( S. L.) //
54.
Peter Carpenter
QUESTION:
Was this the Peter Carpenter noted in the 1870 Census of Vernon Precinct,
Christian county, KY in 1870? Page 19. Spouse and children from that Census.
His Sister Jane Carpenter was listed with a Lurena Armer age 13 born in Tenn.
On page 18 of the same census is a Family headed by James B. Carpenter, age 24
KY with Spouse Mary A., age 20 KY, with a James H. Carpenter, age 17 born in TN.
On page 17 of the same census is a Family headed by John E. Carpenter, age 31
born in KY a farmer, with Spouse Arabella, age 27 KY and child Henrietta A.,
age 6 KY. It is supposed that all head of households are related as father to
sons. Exceptions being those not beng born in KY.
168.
James B. Carpenter
CENSUS: 1870 Census of Christian County, KY, Page 18, Mt. Vernon Precinct.
Carpenter, James B. age 24 KY, Mary A. age 20 KY, with James H. age 17 TN.
55.
William Carpenter
PARENT UNKNOWN - Maybe William "Will" Carpenter-204091 b. abt 1756/1764.
NAME:
AKA William Senior
COMMENT:
I suspect that William Carpenter-203369 (b. abt 1776/1786) was likely born in or around Nash County, North Carolina and was related to Thomas Carpenter-5337 (b. 1740 - d. 6 Aug 1803) there, but not as father and son. Because of the two mutations that #904049 has to the Group 13 mean, these two Carpenters were likely close cousins. Maybe a nephew to Uncle? Or less likely siblings. John R. Carpenter 15 May 2019.
UPDATE:
It appears/speculation that the father was William "Will" Carpenter b. abt 1756/1764 and his father was Samuel Carpenter possible brother to Thomas Carpenter-5337. See the notes for them for what little info there is. JRC 3 June 2019.
NOTE:
Alabama was a territory in 1817 and made a state in 1819.
Greene County Alabama was created in 1819 from Marengo and Tuscaloosa Counties.
Marengo County was crreated in 1818 from the Choctaw cession of 1816.
Tuscaloosa County was created in 1818 from the Cherokee and Choctaw cession of 1816.
It was the explusion of Native Americans after the War of 1815 from certain areas of what would be Alabama that provided for settlement of those new counties.
CENSUS: 1790 US Census - nothing close found nearby.
CENSUS: 1800 US Census - same person? Two entries.
I am assuming something like a son/father connection rather than cousins.
1)
Name: William Carpenter <------ William C-203369 (aka Sr.)
Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Hillsborough, Wake, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 1 <--- b. abt 1791 to 1800
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 1 <--- b. abt 1775 to 1784 *
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 2 <--- b. abt 1790 to 1800
Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25: 1 <--- b. abt 1775 to 1784
Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1 <--- b. 1756 to 1774
Number of Household Members Under 16: 3
Number of Household Members Over 25: 1
Number of Household Members: 6
Source Citation
Year: 1800; Census Place: Hillsborough, Wake, North Carolina; Series: M32; Roll: 32; Page: 724; Image: 725; Family History Library Film: 337908
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1800 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Second Census of the United States, 1800. NARA microfilm publication M32 (52 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
Second Census of the United States, 1800: Population Schedules, Washington County, Territory Northwest of the River Ohio; and Population Census, 1803: Washington County, Ohio. NARA microfilm publication M1804 (1 roll).
* Eldest male matches female of the same age. Likely husband and wife. Older female either mother or inlaw or a sister to one of the married spouses.
2)
Name: Will Carpenter <---- likely father (William "Will" C-204091 *
Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Hallifax, Nash, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 3 <---- b. abt 1791 to 1800
Free White Persons - Males -10 thru 15: 2 <---- b. abt 1785/1790
Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44: 1 <---- b. 1756 to 1774 *
Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1
Number of Household Members Under 16: 5
Number of Household Members Over 25: 2
Number of Household Members: 7
Source Citation
Year: 1800; Census Place: Hallifax, Nash, North Carolina; Series: M32; Roll: 32; Page: 95; Image: 104; Family History Library Film: 337908
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1800 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Second Census of the United States, 1800. NARA microfilm publication M32 (52 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
Second Census of the United States, 1800: Population Schedules, Washington County, Territory Northwest of the River Ohio; and Population Census, 1803: Washington County, Ohio. NARA microfilm publication M1804 (1 roll).
* Birth adjustment based on children and the 1790 US Census indicates this is an older person, likely the father of William (aka Sr.). See his notes.
NOTE:
A Will, Thomas and Reuben Carpenter are cited in Halifax, Nash, NC in 1800.
CENSUS: 1810 US Census - enumerated twice - same data different census pages 640 & 666.
Assumption is this is William (aka Sr.) son of Will back in Nash County due to age
Name: Wm Carpenter
Home in 1810 (City, County, State): Nash, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 3 <--- b. 1801 to 1810 <--- assumes William, Thomas +1
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 15: 2 <--- b. abt 1795 to 1800 <--- assumes James & Simeon
Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44 : 1 <--- b. abt 1766 to 1784 --- father
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 2 <--- b. 1801 to 1810 <--- assumes Mary + 1
Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1 ----- Mother
Number of Household Members Under 16: 7
Number of Household Members Over 25: 2
Number of Household Members: 9
Source Citation
Year: 1810; Census Place: Nash, North Carolina; Roll: 41; Page: 640 (666); Image: 00152; Family History Library Film: 0337914
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1810 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Third Census of the United States, 1810. (NARA microfilm publication M252, 71 rolls). Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
CENSUS: 1820 US Census
Name: William Carpenter (aka Sr.)
Home in 1820 (City, County, State): Nash, North Carolina
Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 1 <--- b. abt 1811 to 1820 <--- maybe Jonathan
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 15: 1 <--- b. abt 1805 to 1810 <--- likely Thomas
Free White Persons - Males – 16** thru 18: 1 <--- b. 1802 to 1804 <—likely William
Free White Persons - Males – 16** thru 25: 4 <--- b. 1795 to 1804 <- Assumes James, Simeon, William +1 unk
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1 <---- b. bef 1785 ---------- Father
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 1 <--- b. abt 1811 to 1820 <--- unknown name
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 1 <--- b. abt 1805 to 1810 <--- unknown name
Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25: 1 <--- b. 1795 to 1804 <--- Assumes Mary
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over : 1 <----- b. bef 1785 -------- Mother
Slaves - Males - 45 and over: 1
Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture: 6
Number of Persons - Engaged in Manufactures: 1
Free White Persons - Under 16: 4
Free White Persons - Over 25: 2
Total Free White Persons: 11
Total Slaves: 1
Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 12
Source Citation
1820 U S Census; Census Place: Nash, North Carolina; Page: 443; NARA Roll: M33_83; Image: 295
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1820 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fourth Census of the United States, 1820. (NARA microfilm publication M33, 142 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
** Note over lap age years. This sometimes cause a child to be recorded twice. This because of an error and literal assumption for each category. See blank 1820 US Census image at:
CENSUS: 1830 US Census - probably with one of his children?
GRAVE: (Memorial only) - no image
William Carpenter
Birth: unknown
Death: 18 Nov 1836 Greene County, Alabama, USA
Burial: Unknown
Memorial #: 132642137
Bio:
William's birth is estimated to be between 1771-1780 with North Carolina as the birthplace passed down through the family lore.
His children with Priscilla Manning are: James, Simeon, Mary Jones wife of William Jones, John, Thomas, and William, Jr. [List taken from image 1063 of 1547 of William's probate record: Greene County, Alabama, Estate Case Files, 1820-1915; Author: Alabama. Probate Court (Greene County); Probate Place: Greene, Alabama as found on Ancestry.com]
William is only referred to as Sr in a couple of pages of his probate file and nowhere else, so though he has a son who is always referred to as William Jr, having Sr after his name is not appropriate as no other documents list him as Sr.
His burial location is currently unknown, though likely in Greene County, Alabama.
Family Members
Spouse
Priscilla Manning Carpenter 1779-1856
Children
Thomas Carpenter 1805-1901
Created by: Jennifer (46611163)
Added: 10 Jul 2014
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/132642137
Citation: Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 16 April 2019), memorial page for William Carpenter (unknown-28 Nov 1836), Find A Grave Memorial no. 132642137, ; Maintained by Jennifer (contributor 46611163) Unknown.
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SUBMISSION:
The original report of this descendant line was by Grace Carpenter Callier of Bastrop, Morehouse, LA. (b. 1911-2003) She is the Aunt of Phil Carpenter.
Updates made by Guy Parker < tgparker@suddenlink.net > (318) 282-6482
See ANCESTRY: Carpenter-Bastrop Family Tree by Thomas (Guy) Parker
DEATH: image Number 1079 of 1547 in the probate record.
Simeon Carpenter (petition date 15 June 1857) ... that our William Carpenter departed this life in said County on or about the 18th day of July 1836 ... Widow Priscilla Carpenter claimed a life Estate ... was terminated by the death of the said Priscilla which took place in said County on the 10th day of August 1856 ... which estate ... lapses into the Estate of the said William Carpenter deceased. ...
MORE:
The following children and decedents his heirs at Cann (Can or Carr - hard to read) point (maybe the word point). Wesley Ford and Susan P Ford his wife, Berry A. and John D. Carpenter all of whom reside in Yazoo County Mississippi and (next page - image 1080) that Benten is their Post-Office, also James H., Jesse, William M. and Candis A. Carpenter who reside in Madison Carpenter state of Mississippi and that Camden is their Post Office. All the above mentioned legatees being children of one William Carpenter. I who was a son of the your petitioners estate and who died a number of years since.
Also Thomas Carpenter who resides in Lavaca County, Texas, Hallettsville being his Post-Office. James Carpenter, Mary Jones of the late William Jones deceased and Simeon Carpenter your petitioner all of wherein reside in said County of Greene and State of Alabama.
And also one John Carpenter, who resides in Madison County, Mississippi and whose Post-Office to your petitioner is unknown. ... all the forgoing heirs are of full age ...
Jump to page 1118 of 1547 where the Judge grants Simeon Carpenter is authorized to administer said Estate of the petition cited on 15 June 1857. Signed 21 July 1857.
DEATH2: per page 1110 of 1547 Petition of Priscilla Carpenter widow.
... that on the eighteenth day of July in the year of our Lord eighteen hundred and thirty six the said William Carpenter, the husband of your petitioner aforesaid, departed this life ...
PROBATE: images
Name: William Carpenter
Probate Date: 1 Feb 1837 <---- Probate started 28 Nov 1836!
Probate Place: Greene, Alabama, USA
Inferred Death Year: Abt 1837
Inferred Death Place: Alabama, USA
Item Description: Estate Case Files No 314-323, Brantley, William, Folder 2 - Cunningham, John C, 1820-191
Table of Contents 104 images
Cover Page 1
Petition Papers 2
Account Papers 3–5
Petition Papers 6–7
Sales Paper 8–9
Account Papers 10–12
Sales Paper 13–18
Account Papers 19–26
Sales Paper 27–31
Petition Papers 32–33
Account Papers 34–35
Petition Papers 36–37
Account Papers 38–43
Order Papers 44–46
Account Papers 47–48
Petition Papers 49–50
Account Papers 51–57
Administration Papers 58–59
Petition Papers 60–65
Account Papers 66–67
Administration Papers 68–73
Account Papers 74–75
Petition Papers 76–90
Account Papers 91–99
Petition Papers 100–104
Source Citation
Greene County, Alabama, Estate Case Files, 1820-1915; Author: Alabama. Probate Court (Greene County); Probate Place: Greene, Alabama
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Alabama, Wills and Probate Records, 1753-1999 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2015.
Original data: Alabama County, District and Probate Courts.
NOTE:
Page 1063 of 1547 - List of heirs
... that the heirs of the of the said William Carpenter deceased are as follows, to wit, James Carpenter, Simeon Carpenter, Mary Jones, wife of William Jones, Prissilla Carpenter, widow of the said decedent and your petitioner, all of whom are of mature age and residing in Greene County Alabama and Thomas Carpenter of Mississippi or his heirs if he be dead.
Your petitioner would further represent that William Carpenter his late of Mississippi deceased who was a son of the aforsaid William Carpenter deceased died leaving the following children residing in the state last aforesaid. Towit, James Carpenter Littleberry Carpenter, Jesse Carpenter, William Carpenter, John Carpenter, Susan (next image) Carpenter & Sarah Carpenter all of whom are minors under the age twenty one years.
Note that the said lands in question can not be divided equally fairly and beneficially divided amoung the heirs of the said decedent without a sale of the same ...
RECAP OF PROBATE - By Guy (11 June 2019)
Excerpts of Green County, MS probate records for William Carpenter, Sr dated 8 June 1857 -- images 1078,1079 & 1080:
[Petition by Simeon Carpenter for the sale of Real estate which list the heirs of William Carpenter, Sr deceased and William Carpenter, Jr (deceased prior to Sr.]
Image link: https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/8799/005007337_01050/7105303?backurl=https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/158143931/person/132077583973/facts/citation/562135703854/edit/record#?imageId=005007337_01078
Probate Image Excerpts:
[probate excerpts- reference the heirs of William Carpenter, Jr]
“ Simeon Carpenter, Administrator for the estate of William Carpenter Sr.”
“Priscilla Carpenter, widow of William Carpenter, Sr. Claims of life estate terminated by her death 10th August 1856”
“William Carpenter (Jr) descendants: Wesley Ford and Susan P Ford his wife, Berry A and John D Carpenter all of whom reside in Yazoo, MS post office, Benton “
“Also, James, Jesse, William M and Candis S Carpenter who reside in Madison County, state of MS, Post office Camden.”
“All of the above being legatees of William Carpenter, Jr.”
[probate excerpts-reference the heirs of William Carpenter, Sr]
“Also, Thomas Carpenter who resides in Lavaca, Texas”
“James Carpenter, Mary (Carpenter) Jones, & Simeon Carpenter (residents of Greene, Al)” and “also, John Carpenter of Madison, MS” & [William Carpenter, Jr, deceased]
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COMPARE:
ANCESTRY: Carpenter-Bastrop Family Tree by Thomas Parker
William Carpenter Sr.
BIRTH 1771 • Nash County, NC.
DEATH 28 NOV 1836 • Green Co., Al.
Ancestry Sources
1800 United States Federal Census
1810 United States Federal Census
1820 United States Federal Census
Alabama, Wills and Probate Records, 1753-1999
Virginia, Compiled Marriages, 1660-1800
Virginia, Select Marriages, 1785-1940
FAG
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/132642137 ***
Parents
Thomas Carpenter 1740–1803 <---- This is supposed to be Thomas C-5337 - challenged
Mary Lee 1740–1829
Spouse & Children
Priscilla "Polly" Manning 1775–1856
John Carpenter 1795–
William Carpenter Jr. 1797–1836
James Carpenter 1800–1869
Simon Carpenter 1800–1860
Thomas A Carpenter 1805–1901
Mary J Polly Carpenter 1810–1839
***
E-MAIL:
From: Guy
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 6:14 PM
To: John Carpenter
Subject: Y-DNA contemprary families A & B --- group 13
John,
The attached PDF document is meant to serve as a reference to distinguish between family members in the Carpenter-Cousins Y-DNA group 13 who belong to contemporary family A-- C # 5337(descendants of Thomas Carpenter Nash, NC) & Contemporary family B-- 203369 (Descendants of William Carpenter, Sr)
--hopefully will help with all the confusion
Still subject to review & edit for possible errors, but from what I can determine so far:
Cousins, James, son of William Carpenter, Sr 203369 & Jubelll, son of John Carpenter appear to be the first settlers in Green County from the Carpenter Clan Y-DNA group 13.
Ref to James “Will Probate” actually refers to his role as guardian for the minor children of his sister, Polly married to Brinkley Gandy, deceased.
Siblings James, Polly C Brinkley, Simon & William, Jr are shown as early entrants. I believe it was William, Sr who sold his property in 3/11/1824 Nash, NC and moved to Green, Al by 1825 which could account financially for his sizable estate In Greene, AL (not to be confused with William # 5455, son of Thomas Carpenter and later resident of Surry, NC.)
William Carpenter of 1830 Green appears to be William Carpenter, SR. I suspect that William, Jr moved prior to 1830 to Miss.
Jennifer Miller, descendant of Thomas Carpenter 1805 Nash, NC -1901 Texas (son of William Carpenter, Sr 203369) has joined in to assist in the search for a male descendant.
Currently, our possibilities appear to be slim to none: male descendants appear to fizzle out on every possibility.
GUY
Priscilla "Polly" Manning
NAME:
Maybe a Manning.
CENSUS: 1850 US Census
Name: Priscilla Carpenter
Age: 70
Birth Year: abt 1780
Birthplace: North Carolina
Home in 1850: Greene, Alabama, USA
Gender: Female
Family Number: 717
Household Members:
Name Age
Priscilla Carpenter 70
James Carpenter 49 <--- son
Source Citation
Year: 1850; Census Place: Greene, Alabama; Roll: M432_6; Page: 291A; Image: 100
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1850 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2009. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Seventh Census of the United States, 1850; (National Archives Microfilm Publication M432, 1009 rolls); Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29; National Archives, Washington, D.C.
GRAVE:
Priscilla “Polly” Manning Carpenter
Birth: 1779 North Carolina, USA
Death: 10 Aug 1856 (aged 76–77) Greene County, Alabama, USA
Burial: Grassdale Cemetery, Eutaw, Greene County, Alabama, USA
Memorial #: 128259144
Family Members
Spouse
William Carpenter Unknown-1836
Children
William Carpenter 1797-1836
Simeon Carpenter 1800-1860
James Carpenter 1800-1869
Thomas Carpenter 1805-1901
Created by: Jennifer (46611163)
Added: 20 Apr 2014
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/128259144
Citation: Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 04 June 2019), memorial page for Priscilla “Polly” Manning Carpenter (1779–10 Aug 1856), Find A Grave Memorial no. 128259144, citing Grassdale Cemetery, Eutaw, Greene County, Alabama, USA ; Maintained by Jennifer (contributor 46611163) .
NOTE:
There was a Poly Manning who married a William Carpenter in Brunswick County, but that is literally at the bottom of NC! Not the same person!
Name: William Carpenter
Spouse: Polly Manning
Marriage Date: 31 Dec 1795
Marriage Location: Brunswick County, Virginia
Source Information
Dodd, Jordan. Virginia, Compiled Marriages, 1660-1800 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1997.
Original data: Dodd, Jordan, comp.. Virginia Marriages to 1800. Electronic transcription of marriage records held by the individual counties in Virginia.
172.
James Carpenter
BIRTH:
Need to verify birthdate. 22 May 1800 was provided but not documented where that came from. Possible twin? Per census records born about 1800/1801.
DEATH:
Info from Probate record.
The earliest date given in the probate is 13 Aug 1859 for a note due but not yet paid.
And on 25 Jul 1870 the Court accepts Wiley Coleman as administrator and accepts his lists of heirs of the intestate who died on or about ___ October 1869 about 60 years of age.
Census records indicate James C-203370 birth as about 1800/1801 and you provide 22 May 1800. The age last paragraph is widely different making him born about 1809. Likely a best guess!
And elsewhere we see death as 10 Aug 1869 despite it being unreferenced in the Find A Grave entry. I received the death date of 8 Oct 1869 but undocumented. The later more akin to what was reported on 25 Jul 1870 record above, less the age.
Per Guy - 8 Oct 1869 is on a picture of the grave marker for this James. (23 June 2019)
Per Guy < tgparker@suddenlink.net > extract from email on 29 May 2019 ... Cousins, James, son of William Carpenter, Sr 203369 & Jubelll, son of John Carpenter appear to be the first settlers in Green County from the Carpenter Clan Y-DNA group 13.
Ref to James “Will Probate” actually refers to his role as guardian for the minor children of his sister, Polly married to Brinkley Gandy, deceased.
Siblings James, Polly C Brinkley, Simon & William, Jr are shown as early entrants. I believe it was William, Sr who sold his property in 3/11/1824 Nash, NC and moved to Green, Al by 1825 which could account financially for his sizable estate In Greene, AL (not to be confused with William # 5455, son of Thomas Carpenter and later resident of Surry, NC.)
CENSUS: 1850 US Census
Name: James Carpenter
Age: 49
Birth Year: abt 1801
Birthplace: North Carolina
Home in 1850: Greene, Alabama, USA
Gender: Male
Family Number: 717
Household Members:
Name Age
Priscilla Carpenter 70 <---- mother
James Carpenter 49
Source Citation
Year: 1850; Census Place: Greene, Alabama; Roll: M432_6; Page: 291A; Image: 100
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1850 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2009. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Seventh Census of the United States, 1850; (National Archives Microfilm Publication M432, 1009 rolls); Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29; National Archives, Washington, D.C.
CENSUS: 1860 US Census
Name: Jas Carpenter
Age: 60
Birth Year: abt 1800
Gender: Male
Birth Place: North Carolina
Home in 1860: Clinton, Greene, Alabama
Post Office: Clinton
Dwelling Number: 791
Family Number: 791
Occupation: Planter
Real Estate Value: 44000
Personal Estate Value: 71550
Household Members:
Name Age
Jas Carpenter 60
Jno Carpenter 46 <--- likely brother Jonathan
W Carpenter 6 <--- son of Jonathan b. MS
Source Citation
Year: 1860; Census Place: Clinton, Greene, Alabama; Roll: M653_10; Page: 987; Family History Library Film: 803010
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1860 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2009. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: 1860 U.S. census, population schedule. NARA microfilm publication M653, 1,438 rolls. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.
GRAVE: NO image <--- an image does exist and 8 Oct 1869 is the death date given.
James Carpenter
Birth: 22 May 1800 Nash County, North Carolina, USA
Death: 10 Aug 1869 (aged 69) Greene County, Alabama, USA <--- should be 8 Oct 1869.
Burial: Grassdale Cemetery, Eutaw, Greene County, Alabama, USA
Memorial #: 198889235
Inscription: James CarpenterBornin Nash Co, N.C.May 22, 1800,DiedOct 8, 1869,in Greene Co., Ala
Family Members
Parents
William Carpenter Unknown-1836
Priscilla Manning Carpenter 1779-1856
Siblings
William Carpenter 1797-1836
Simeon Carpenter 1800-1860
Thomas Carpenter 1805-1901
Created by: Jennifer (46611163)
Added: 5 May 2019
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/198889235/james-carpenter
Citation: Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 9 June 2019), memorial page for James Carpenter (22 May 1800–10 Aug 1869), Find A Grave Memorial no. 198889235, citing Grassdale Cemetery, Eutaw, Greene County, Alabama, USA ; Maintained by Jennifer (contributor 46611163) .
corrections pending.
PROBATE: images
Name: James Carpenter
Probate Place: Greene, Alabama, USA
Inferred Death Place: Alabama, USA
Case Number: 208
Item Description: Estate Case Files, No 207-219, Gray Thomas, Folder 4 - Hill, Nicholas, 1820-1915
Table of Contents 47 images
Administration Papers 1–5
Cover Page 6
Petition Papers 7–8
Account Papers 9–10
Administration Papers 11–14
Account Papers 15–17
Inventory Papers 18–22
Guardianship Papers 23–29
Petition Papers 30–32
Account Papers 33–47
Source Citation
Greene County, Alabama, Estate Case Files, 1820-1915; Author: Alabama. Probate Court (Greene County); Probate Place: Greene, Alabama
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Alabama, Wills and Probate Records, 1753-1999 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2015.
Original data: Alabama County, District and Probate Courts.
SEE images at:
https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/8799/005009026_01303?pid=9395892&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DhYQ2%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D8799%26gsfn%3Djames%26gsln%3Dcarpenter%26gsfn_x%3DNP%26gsln_x%3D1%26_8A004260%3D1210%26_8A004260_x%3D1%26_8A004260__ftp%3Dgreene,%2520alabama,%2520usa%26_8A004260__ftp_x%3D1%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26uidh%3D25n%26redir%3Dfalse%26msT%3D1%26gss%3Dangs-d%26pcat%3D36%26fh%3D1%26h%3D9395892%26recoff%3D%26ml_rpos%3D2&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=hYQ2&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true#?imageId=005009026_01303
NOTES:
In his Probate, nephew William Carpenter, son of Jonathan Carpenter, deceased, is listed as an heir and as a minor under age 21. And he accepts guardianship as noted in the probate records. Not dated.
See image 1303 of 1793 - see Uncle James Carpenter notes.
On the next page is a list of Siblings and their descendants if they are deceased. Names include 1) Thomas Carpenter, 2) children of Simeon Carpenter deceased, 3) the children of William Carpenter deceased, and 4) William Carpenter, a nephew and son of John Carpenter deceased.
5) the children of Mary Jones who was a sister to James. This list sworn before the court and dated 17 Jun 1873 by the Administrator Wiley Coleman? (or Colemon - spelling). See end of page on image 1305 of 1793. and start of page on image 1306.
Earlier dates include 16 May 1872 mention on image 1306 and 13 Aug 1859 on image 1310.
Image 1416 of 1793 - That James Carpenter died intestate at his residence in Greene County, Alabama, on or about the _____ (blank) day of Oct 1869 age about 60 years. Then follows a listing of siblings and their descendants over several pages. On image 1419 it is dated 25 Jul 1870.
That was the last image in that probate set.
RECORDS:
EARLY SETTLERS OF GREENE CO. AL
Full Name of Person Date in Co. Record Source Notes
CARPENTER, James 28 Jan 1824 Will Probate Witness to Will <--------
CARPENTER, Jubell 26 Nov 1823 Land Record Old St Stephens Land Office
CARPENTER, Nancy 24 May 1826 Marriage Recorded Married Gower C. Richardson
CARPENTER, Polly 22 May 1826 Marriage Recorded Married Brinkley Gandy
CARPENTER, Simon 02 Dec 1827 Marriage Recorded Married Polly M. Cherry
CARPENTER, William 26 Jan 1825 Marriage Recorded Md. Theresa Wharton Carson
http://www.magnoliasandpeaches.com/greenealgenweb/History/EarlySettlers_CD.asp
175.
Mary J. "Polly" Carpenter
BIRTH:
Likely birth window is about Feb 1803 then another window abouty Dec 1803 to Jan/Feb 1804.
Brother William shares one of these birth windows. It is possible that one othese birth windows includes twins that is for an unnamed male. See email dated 10 June 2019 from John R. Carpenter.
RECORDS:
EARLY SETTLERS OF GREENE CO. AL
Full Name of Person Date in Co. Record Source Notes
CARPENTER, James 28 Jan 1824 Will Probate Witness to Will
CARPENTER, Jubell 26 Nov 1823 Land Record Old St Stephens Land Office
CARPENTER, Nancy 24 May 1826 Marriage Recorded Married Gower C. Richardson
CARPENTER, Polly 22 May 1826 Marriage Recorded Married Brinkley Gandy <------
CARPENTER, Simon 02 Dec 1827 Marriage Recorded Married Polly M. Cherry
CARPENTER, William 26 Jan 1825 Marriage Recorded Md. Theresa Wharton Carson
http://www.magnoliasandpeaches.com/greenealgenweb/History/EarlySettlers_CD.asp
58.
Matthew Carpenter
CENSUS: 1830 US Census
Name: Matthews Carpenter
Event Place: Not Stated, Copiah, Mississippi
Page Number: 125
Affiliate Publication Number: M19
Affiliate Film Number: 70
GS Film number: 0014838
Digital Folder Number: 004410623
Image Number: 00247
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1830," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHPZ-HB2 : accessed 14 Jan 2014), Matthews Carpenter, 1830.
NOTE: 1 male 20<30 and one female 20<30.
CENSUS: 1840 US Census
Name: Mat Carpenter
Event Place: Not Stated, Copiah, Mississippi
Page Number: 118
Affiliate Publication Number: M704
Affiliate Film Number: 213
GS Film number: 0014840
Digital Folder Number: 004409533
Image Number: 00240
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1840," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHTS-2VL : accessed 14 Jan 2014), Mat Carpenter, 1840.
NOTE: 2 males 5<10, 1 male 30<40 and 2 females <5, 1 female 5<10, 1 female 20<30
CENSUS: 1850 US Census - not found. See wife's notes.
Ann
CENSUS: 1850 US Census - See image: RIN 133245 Ann Carpenter widow 1850.jpg and RIN 133245 Ann Carpenter widow 1850b.jpg
Name: Ann Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1850
Event Place: Rankin county, Rankin, Mississippi, United States
Gender: Female
Age: 35
Marital Status:
Race (Original):
Race:
Birthplace: North Carolina
Birth Year (Estimated): 1815
House Number: 398
Family Number: 398
Line Number: 40
Affiliate Publication Number: M432
Affiliate Film Number: 380
GS Film number: 443592
Digital Folder Number: 004200051
Image Number: 00472
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Ann Carpenter F 35 North Carolina
Frances Carpenter M 17 North Carolina
James Roberts M 21 Mississippi <------- not a Carpenter per census image
John Carpenter M 15 North Carolina
Martha Carpenter F 12 North Carolina
Mary Carpenter F 10 North Carolina
William Henry M 6 North Carolina
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch ( : accessed 13 Jan 2014), Ann Carpenter, Rankin county, Rankin, Mississippi, United States; citing dwelling 398, family 398, NARA microfilm publication M432, roll 380.
CENSUS: 1860 US Census - RIN 133245 Ann 1860.jpg
Name: Ann Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1860
Event Place: [Blank], Madison, Mississippi, United States
Gender: Female
Age: 45
Race: White
Race (Original): White
Birth Year (Estimated): 1815
Birthplace: North Carolina
Page: 83
Household ID: 594
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M653
GS Film Number: 803586
Digital Folder Number: 004233369
Image Number: 00423
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Ann Carpenter F 45 North Carolina
J B Carpenter M 25 North Carolina <---- teacher <----- This is John
Mary A Carpenter F 20 North Carolina
Henry W Carpenter M 16 North Carolina
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1860," index, FamilySearch (
(SEE:
: accessed 13 Jan 2014), Ann Carpenter, [Blank], Madison, Mississippi, United States; citing "1860 U.S. Federal Census - Population," Fold3.com; p. , family , NARA microfilm publication ; FHL microfilm 803586.
CENSUS: 1870 US Census - See image: RIN 133245 Ann Carpenter widow 1870.jpg
LIVING WITH DAUGHTER MARTHA and her family. See Martha's notes.
Name: Ann Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1870
Event Place: Mississippi, United States
Gender: Female
Age: 55
Race: White
Race: W
Birth Year (Estimated): 1814-1815
Birthplace: North Carolina
Page Number: 65
Household ID: 504
Line Number: 1
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M593
GS Film number: 000552238
Digital Folder Number: 004273793
Image Number: 00387
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Calvin Renner M 38 North Carolina
Martha Renner F 31 North Carolina
Sarah Renner F 10 Mississippi
Calvin Renner M 8 Mississippi
Beaulah Renner F 3 Mississippi
Louella Renner F 0 Mississippi
Ann Carpenter F 55 North Carolina
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1870," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MFSN-2KM : 12 April 2016), Ann Carpenter in household of Calvin Renner, Mississippi, United States; citing p. 65, family 504, NARA microfilm publication M593 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.); FHL microfilm 552,238.
CENSUS: 1880 US Census
Name: Ann Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1880
Event Place: Sharon, Madison, Mississippi, United States
District: ED 44
Gender: Female
Age: 65
Marital Status: Widowed
Race: White
Race: W
Occupation: Boarding
Relationship to Head of Household: Mother-in-law
Relationship to Head of Household: MotherL
Birth Year (Estimated): 1815
Birthplace: North Carolina, United States
Father's Birthplace: North Carolina, United States
Mother's Birthplace: North Carolina, United States
Note:
Sheet Letter: A
Sheet Number: 196
Sheet Number and Letter: 196A
Household ID: 12914932
Person Number: 3
Volume: 2
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: T9
Affiliate Film Number: 0656
GS Film Number: 1254656
Digital Folder Number: 005161191
Image Number: 00524
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
D T Brown Self M 48 South Carolina, United States
A E Brown Daughter F 13 Mississippi, United States
Hattie Bilbro Niece F 17 Mississippi, United States
Ann Carpenter Mother-in-law F 65 North Carolina, United States
John Luckett Other M 16 Mississippi, United States
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1880," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4GG-9HG : 22 August 2017), John Luckett in entry for D T Brown, 1880; citing enumeration district ED 44, sheet 196A, NARA microfilm publication T9 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d), roll 0656; FHL microfilm 1,254,656.
SEE ALSO:
Household:
Name RelationMarital StatusGenderRaceAgeBirthplaceOccupationFather's BirthplaceMother's Birthplace
D. T. BROWN Self W Male W 48 SC Farmer VA SC
A. E. BROWN Dau S Female W 13 MS At School SC NC
Hattie BILBRO Niece S Female W 17 MS Keeping House SC SC
Ann CARPENTER MotherL W Female W 65 NC Boarding NC NC
John LUCKETT Other S Male B 16 MS Laborer GA SC
Source Information:
Census PlaceDistrict 4, Sharon, Madison, Mississippi
Family History Library Film 1254656
NA Film Number T9-0656
Page Number 196A
See also:
Name: Ann Carpenter
Residence: Sharon, Madison, Mississippi
Birthdate: 1815
Birthplace: North Carolina, United States
Relationship to Head: Mother-in-law
Spouse's Name:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace: North Carolina, United States
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace: North Carolina, United States
Race or Color (Expanded): White
Ethnicity (Standardized): American
Gender: Female
Martial Status: Widowed
Age (Expanded): 65 years
Occupation: Boarding
NARA Film Number: T9-0656
Page: 196
Page Character: A
Entry Number: 5047
Film number: 1254656
Collection: United States Census, 1880
CENSUS: 1890 US Census - burned
CENSUS: 1900 US Census - assumed deceased