Notes below by Eugene Cole Zubrinsky
Ojai, California, 2009i. HANNAH3 CARPENTER, b. between ca. 1659 (parents m. ca. 1658) and say 1661/2, living Musketa Cove 19 March 1719/20 (husband's will); m. Musketa Cove or vicinity before 17 Feb. 1682[/3?] (probably by 14 Jan. 1681[/2?]), WILLIAM THORNYCRAFT, b. probably Warwick, d. Musketa Cove between 6 April 1720 (sold land) and 19 Dec. 1728 (will proved), son of Thomas and Jean? (______) Thornycraft of Warwick (by 1647) and Maspeth Kills, Newtown (now Elmhurst, Queens Co.), L.I. (NYWills 11:80; MARRIAGE, above; WarTR1 1-296 passim [215, 217]; WarTR2 29, 141, 251, 252, 329; Cock-Cocks-Cox 357; OBTR 1:378, 6:654; NYGBR 64:31, citing NTR [1:]158).
On 17 February 1682 [probably 1682/3], William Thornycraft conveyed "twenty Accars of Land unto _his father in Law_ Joseph Carpenter . . . for and in Consideration of fifty Accars of Land in hand and reseaved, of _his father_ Joseph Carpenter" (emphases added) (OBTR 1:643; Carpenter [1901] 45 omits portion of quoted passage following ellipsis points). On the same date, Carpenter, in an exchange of fifty-acre lots with Nicholas Simkins, obtained the parcel he gave to Thornycraft, abutting the twenty acres his son-in-law gave him in return (OBTR 1:642-44). Thornycraft's right to the twenty acres of woodland he traded to Joseph Carpenter had been granted to him on 14 Jan. 1681[/2?] by a deed from the five Musketa Cove proprietors, including Carpenter (OBTR 1:639-40). It is doubtful that this grant to Thornycraft--also including "A sartin peece or parsell of Land whare hee now Inhabitts and Builtt upon for A home Lott as within fenc Allredy InClosed" and a parcel of upland--would have been made until he had married (in which case he need not have been twenty-one to receive it). The lots Thornycraft and Carpenter exchanged were adjacent and thus presumably of comparable quality. From this, the transfers' transaction date, and a gift of land made by Joseph Carpenter probably four days (rather than a year and four days) earlier (see no. ii, below), it is reasonable to conclude that the thirty acres Thornycraft gained from the trade was a marriage settlement from his father-in-law. The will of William Thorneycraft Sr. of Musketa Cove, dated 19 March 1719/20 and proved 19 Dec. 1728, names wife Hannah; sons William, Joseph, and Thomas; and daughters Hannah Washburn, Elizabeth Pellam (Pelham), Mary Thorneycraft, Jane Carpenter [m. cousin Silas, son of William (no. iv, below)], and Phebe Thorneycraft; the witnesses were Mary Carpenter, Thomas Pearsall, and Joseph Carpenter (NYWills 11:80, 85). . . .D. H. Carpenter gives Joseph and Hannah a sixth child: Hannah, "born 1672-3, married Jacob Hicks in 1690" (Carpenter [1901] 43). A few secondary sources state that the maiden name of Jacob Hicks's wife was Carpenter, but not all give her parentage, and none presents supporting evidence (see, for example, Mott Gen 372; Shotwell Gen 237, 280; Cornell Gen 383; Seaman-Husband 84). In his will, dated in 1751, Jacob Hicks's bequests to wife Hannah include "all the goods she brought with her when married" (NYWills 5:93-94). The quoted phrase implies that Hannah (whatever her maiden name) was not Hicks's first wife and probably married him long after his children were born (at Hempstead between 1702--making a 1690 marriage date unlikely [see above]--and about 1718) (see Colonial Fams 3:1330). More to the point, however, the Carpenter daughter whom D. H. Carpenter is unable to identify by forename but correctly describes as having married William Thornycraft is almost certainly the woman whom Thornycraft's will calls "my wife Hannah" (see Carpenter [1901] 43; NYWills 11:80; child no. i, above).
[Gene Zubrinsky's notes end here.]
Old Notes follow.
Number 15 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901.
NOTE: Gene Zubrinsky wrote, "Hannah4 Carpenter (Hannah3, William2 of Rehoboth): Born Pawtuxet (not Flushing); died almost certainly Musketa Cove (not Rockaway) after 1719. (The only Carpenter during this period associated with the vicinity of Rockaway was her paternal uncle Ephraim, who, late in life, settled at West Neck, on the south side of Oyster Bay Twp and probably died there.) She's the Carpenter daughter whose forename Carpenter [1901] was unable to supply; she married William Thornycraft. There's no evidence that Jacob Hicks's wife was a Carpenter, let alone a daughter of Hannah3." See Gene's notes above.
AFN MTLC-23 and 8Mj3-4B are the same
NAME: Thorncraft as in AF or ThornYcraft as in other records.
See: Hannah Carpenter's notes, and his Will info.
Number 28 in the Carpenter Family in America, 1901 book.
MARRIAGE: Vide the Record of St. George's Church, Hempstead, NY.
NOTE: Gene Zubrinsky indicates that the Hannah, who married Jacob Hicks, has no evidence that she was born a Carpenter. See Hannah Carpenter's notes. Feb 2009 JRC
AFN 8MH8-3Q and MTLC-7X are the same person.
This Hicks line updated by: T.J. Van Hooser of Amarillo, TX in a letter
dated 22 Feb. 1999.
Subj: Hannah CARPENTER-626 (1671) Date: 99-05-19 18:44:22 EDT
From: LMORE@worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Gordon More)
To: JRCRIN001 (John R. Carpenter)
John,
From the Marriage of Hannah Carpenter and Jacob Hicks, comes these
decendants from Long Island Genealogies, p. 212 - 215, comes these
decendants.
Larry
Children of THOMAS3 and Mary Butler:
Thomas4 m. Deborah Valentine.
Jacob4 b. about 1669, m. 1690, Hannah Carpenter,
he d. 1755.
Married 2d Mary Doughty and had:
Isaac,4 William,4 John,4 Charles,4 Benjamin,4
Charity,4 Mary,4 Elisabeth,4 Stephen,4 Phebe,4
m. Samuel Seaman, son of Capt. John.
JACOB4 Hicks (Thomas3 John2 Robert1) lived at Rockaway, m. Hannah
Carpenter, had:
Samuel5 m. Martha Doughty.
Stephen,5 Thomas,5 m. 1730, Temperance Titus,
dau. of Silas and Sarah Haight.
Joseph,5 Jacob.5
Benjamin5 b. about 1716, m. 1736, Phebe b. 1717,
d. 1800, dau. of Silas Titus and Sarah, he d. 1744.
Elisabeth,5 John,5 m. 1st Martha Smith, 2d Phebe
Powell.
Sarah,5 Hannah,5 m. David Titus, son of Silas
and Sarah.
BENJAMIN5 HICKS and wife Phebe (Titus) had:
Silas6 b. 1737, m. 1762, Rachel, b. 1742, dau. of
Samuel Seaman and Martha Valentine.
Benjamin6 b. 1739, m. 1765, 1st Elisabeth Mott,
2d 1774, Mary Mott, dau. of Jehu and Ruth
(Powell).
Samuel6 b. 1741, m. 1st 1765, Phebe Seaman, 2d
1794, Amy (Shotwell, dau. of Joseph) widow of
Charles Brooks.
Sarah6 b. 1744, m. 1764, Richard Albertson, she d.
1818.
BENJAMIN6 HICKS and 1st wife Elisabeth had son Mott7 Hicks, 2d had:
Elisabeth7 b. April 24, 1775, m. Cornell Willis.
Silas7 b. 1777, m. Sallie Titus, dau. of Silas.
Sarah7 b 1780, m. Henry Haydock.
Mary7 b. 1782, single.
Temperance7 b. 1784, m. 1812, Henry Mott.
Benjamin7 b. June 14, 1790, m. Mary Morrill.
Phebe7 b. 1793, m. Abraham Brookes, son of
Charles and Amy.
Robert7 M. b. 1799, m. Rosanna Leggett.
Children of SAMUEL6 HICKS and (Phebe) Seaman:
Isaac7 b. 1767, m. Sarah Doughty, dau. of John
and Abigail, he d. 1820.
Samuel7 m.
Valentine7 m. Abigail, dau. of Elias Hicks.
Phebe7 m. John Clapp.
Elisabeth7 b. 1771.
ISAAC7 HICKS and Sarah Doughty had:
John8 D. b. 1791, m. Sarah Rushmore, b. 1790, d.
1893, he d. Oct. 10, 1829.
Robert8 m. Mary U. Mott.
Benjamin8 m. Elisabeth Hicks, dau. of Whitehead.
Isaac,8 Mary,8 d.
Elisabeth8 m. 1st Wm. Seaman, 2d Wm. T. Cock,
son of Samuel.
Gene Zubrinsky’s original notes (ca. 2000), different venue from the later Carpenter Sketches, received August 2018:
JOSEPH3 CARPENTER born say 1660 place Pawtuxet (Warwick), Providence Plantations
died bet. 9 Sep 1687 and ca. 1692 place Musketa Cove, Queens Co., NY and (only) spouse
ANNE -- (Thorn[e]ycraft??) born _unknown________ place _unknown________
died _unknown______ place _unknown____________________________________
married _by 1685 (1st child)___ place _unknown_____________________________
List proof: Carpenter Family at Providence, 33 (gubernatorial order [transcr.], dtd 6 Apr 1668, that
Hempstead authorities lay out land at Musketa Cove to J2C [no. 11, line 2], whose family was presumably still at Pawtuxet), 44n (citing Oyster Bay Recs., B:5, receipt, dtd 9 Sep 1787, for quitrent paid by J3C), 60-61 (citing Oyster Bay Recs., B:2, delayed [ca. 1692] b rec establishes J4C, b. 16 Oct 1685, as eldest son and heir of J3C of Musketa Cove “late deceased”), 62n (citing Oyster Bay Recs. at Jamaica [transcr.], 11:377, affidavit, dtd 30 Sep 1773, describes J4C, “now the elder of Musketo Cove,” as grandson and lineal heir of J2C, “the patentee”), 67n (citing Oyster Bay Recs., 6:276, deed, dtd 29 Jan 1708, names T4C as brother of J4C [this is key]); Records of the Court of Trials of the Colony of Providence Plantations, 1647-1670, vol. 2 (Providence, 1922), 22, J2C of “Pautuxett in warwicke,” July and October 1663; Westbury MM Recs., in William W. Hinshaw, Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy, vol. 3 (Ann Arbor, 1940), 398, J4C b. 16 8m [Oct] 1685, mother Anne. D. H. Carpenter (43-45) gives no rationale for suspecting that Anne was sister of William Thornycraft [he married dau. of J2C (Oyster Bay Town Recs., 1:643)].
4
11. The said (no. 10, line 2) __JOSEPH3 CARPENTER_________________ was the child of
JOSEPH2 CARPENTER born ca 1638 (not 1635) place Providence (not in England)
Notes below by Eugene Cole Zubrinsky
Ojai, California, 2009. See father's notes for complete listing.Children of Joseph2 and Hannah (Carpenter) Carpenter, i-iv born probably at Pawtuxet (Warwick) (birth order uncertain):
iii. JOSEPH CARPENTER, b. between ca. 1659 and 9 July 1663 (perhaps by 13 Feb. 1661/2), d. Musketa Cove between 9 Sept. 1687 (quitrent payment) and 6 Jan. 1691 [probably 1691/2]; m. by 1685 (1st known child b. 16 Oct.) (OBTR 2:337, 350-51).
That records dated in mid-Feb. 1682[/3] call his father Joseph "Sr:" or "Sen:" suggests that Joseph (Jr.) was by then of age (OBTR 1:640-41; DEATH, par. 3, above). He was certainly so by 9 July 1684, when he and his mother were named administrators of his father's estate (Hist Mss 130). He was "late deceased" when a "memorandum" of the birth, on 16 Oct. 1685, of his "Eldest son and Heire," Joseph, was recorded at the top of a page also containing a record dated 6 Jan. 1691 (OBTR 2:350-51).
The identity of Joseph's wife is at best uncertain. The wife Ann(e) that D. H. Carpenter attributes to him was probably his stepmother, Ann (Weekes) Carpenter (see Carpenter [1901] 44; OBTR 1:644-47, 2:127-29, 650-51). Hinshaw gives Joseph's namesake son's mother as Anne, but while his main sources are original Quaker records, they are supplemented by others, some secondary (see Quaker Gen 1, 391). The younger Joseph's Musketa Cove birth record does not name his mother, and the otherwise informative Quaker record of his death names neither parent (see OBTR 2:350; Carpenter [1901] 64n and Hazard Index, both citing WMM-VR A:159). It is therefore probable that Hinshaw's identification of the younger man's mother as Anne derives ultimately from the D. H. Carpenter volume. Note, however, that the younger Joseph's first daughter was named Ann (Quaker Genealogy 391; Carpenter [1901] 66, 93). D. H. Carpenter's further supposition concerning the elder Joseph's wife--"we now think she was daughter of Thomas Thornycraft and sister to William Thornycraft"--is unsupported, as is the assertion of another author (whose Carpenter section builds upon Carpenter [1901]) that she was probably Mary Thornycraft (see Carpenter [1901] 44; Cock-Cocks-Cox 357).
Joseph3 had a second son, Thomas, who is said by D. H. Carpenter to have been born on 16 Aug. 1687 (OBTR 3:344-45 [1708 quitclaim, Joseph to "my Brother Thomas"]; Carpenter [1901] 44 [b. 15 Aug.], 67; Haviland Gen 110). Seeming to confirm this is the 1 Jan. 1859 account by Sarah C. Field (1797-1879) of a family record then in her possession or that of her mother, Jane (Haviland) Field (1765-1860), giving Thomas's birth date as "8 mo., 16th day, 1687" (Haviland Gen 186). Prior to 1752, however, the eighth month was not August but October (as consistent with the latter's Latin origin). Without informing the reader of his translations, D. H. Carpenter expresses with named months many dates that are actually recorded with numbered ones (including all those from Quaker records). Because his conversions of pre-1752 numbered-month dates are mistakenly based on modern reckoning, they are consistently off by two months. Note, however, that Thomas's corrected birth date, 16 October 1687, contains the same day and month as his brother Joseph's (see above). So while the October date is more reliable than the August one, the former should nevertheless be regarded with some caution. Thomas certainly had been born by 26 Nov. 1687: he and brother Joseph sold land to their uncle Nathaniel on 26 Nov. 1708 (OBTR 3:310-12).
The aforementioned family record gives the date of Joseph3's son Thomas's marriage as "10 mo., 14th day, 1708" [14 Dec. (not Oct.) 1708] (Haviland Gen 110 [Oct.], 186 [10 mo.]; see also Carpenter [1901] 67 [Oct.]). While his wife is identified therein only as Hannah, several secondary sources have her as Hannah Alsop, daughter of Thomas [sic] and Hannah (Underwood) Alsop (see, for example, Haviland Gen 110; Carpenter [1901] 67). This is doubly incorrect, however: First, the secondary literature has long accepted (albeit without documentation) that Hannah Underwood married the immigrant Richard Alsop; the earliest Thomas Alsop was their son, born in 1687 (also Thomas Carpenter's birth year), who married Susannah Blackwell (GMB 3:1862, 1863; Alsop Gen 3, 4; Underhill Gen 65). And second, Richard and Hannah Alsop's daughter Hannah married Joseph Sackett (Alsop Gen 2 [Richard Alsop will (transcr.), naming dau. Hannah Sackett], 4; Underhill Gen 66). There was a marriage between a Thomas Carpenter, son of Joseph, and a Hannah Alsop, daughter of Richard, but it occurred in 1777 (Hazard Index, citing WMM-VR A:250). The identity of Hannah, wife of the subject Thomas Carpenter, is unknown.[End of Gene Zubrinsky's notes]
Old Notes follow:
Number 10 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901.
Some records suggest that he married a Anna Thornycraft and Ann Willet in addition. However, no proof given.BOOK: See page 13 (for family) of the Mowrey 1997 book. See book information below:
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.SEE: Father's notes:
III) Joseph (2), eldest child of Joseph (1) and Hannah (Carpenter) Carpenter, was born about 1660, at Pawtuxet, and inherited the paternal estate, operating a mill and the plantation. There is a tradition that he was drowned trying to save the mill in a freshet. At any rate he died between September 9, 1687, and 1692. His wife Ann was probably a daughter of Thomas Thornycraft. Record of two sons is found: Joseph, mentioned below; Thomas, born August 15, 1687.
NAME:
[?Anne Thornycraft?]
Both forename and surname are unconfirmed and should be presented such as to clearly indicate uncertainty—not just in Joseph Carpenter’s notes. You might not have considered it, but given the tendency of the average reader to ignore footnotes (attending to which requires nothing more than a shift of the eyes), it’s likely that many visitors to your databased will copy the primary entries and never consult the notes.
This per Gene Zubrinsky in August 2018.
Notes below by Eugene Cole Zubrinsky
Ojai, California, 2009The identity of Joseph’s wife is at best uncertain. The wife Ann(e) that D. H. Carpenter attributes to him was probably his stepmother, Ann (Weekes) Carpenter (see Carpenter [1901] 44; OBTR 1:644–47, 2:127–29, 650–51). Hinshaw gives Joseph’s namesake son’s mother as Anne, but while his main sources are original Quaker records, they are supplemented by others, some secondary (see Quaker Gen 1, 391). The younger Joseph’s Musketa Cove birth record does not name his mother, and the otherwise informative Quaker record of his death names neither parent (see OBTR 2:350; Carpenter [1901] 64n and Hazard Index, both citing WMM-VR A:159). It is therefore probable that Hinshaw’s identification of the younger man’s mother as Anne derives ultimately from the D. H. Carpenter volume. Note, however, that the younger Joseph’s first daughter was named Ann (Quaker Genealogy 391; Carpenter [1901] 66, 93). D. H. Carpenter’s further supposition concerning the elder Joseph’s wife "we now think she was daughter of Thomas Thornycraft and sister to William Thornycraft”--is unsupported, as is the assertion of another author (whose Carpenter section builds upon Carpenter [1901]) that she was probably Mary Thornycraft (see Carpenter [1901] 44; Cock-Cocks-Cox 357).
[Gene Zubrinsky's notes end here.]
NAME: See husband's notes from Gene Zubrinsky for full extract.
AFN MTLD-CR and AFN PMMX-4J are the same person.
Notes below by Eugene Cole Zubrinsky
Ojai, California, 2009D. H. Carpenter calls it "a _possibility_ amounting to a _probability_" (his emphases) that Elizabeth was the daughter of William's uncle Ephraim Carpenter and says that she died about 1743 (Carpenter [1901] 50); he fails to support either assertion, however. G. W. Cocks says that Elizabeth's parentage is "not certainly known, but may have been Moses and Elizabeth (Weeden) Mudge, then of Musketa Cove, who had a dau. Elizabeth, b. 28/12 mo. (Feb.) 1674" (Cock-Cocks-Cox 358, 385). Note that this is expressed as no more than a possibility. There is, moreover, no known basis for the assertion that Moses and Elizabeth Mudge had a daughter Elizabeth, let alone that she was born on the date stated (which is not to say that either is necessarily false). An Elizabeth Mudge was born at Northampton, Mass., 10 Oct. 1673 and another at Charlestown, Mass., 12 March 1674, but their respective parents and husbands are not those of the same-named woman mentioned by Cocks (see Mudge Gen 46, 49; TAG 81:25; Charlestown Gens 2:693). In the most recent and authoritative account of Moses Mudge and his family, Gale Ion Harris, FASG (citing an unpublished typescript by Harry Macy Jr., FASG) presents Mudge's issue as consisting of two sons and no daughters (see TAG 81:18-30, at 24 [24n38 corrects Mudge Gen 48]). Elizabeth (Mrs. William) Carpenter's maiden name is unknown. And in any case, since the one known record in which her forename appears as William's wife is dated in 1720 (see above), it is not certain that she was the mother of his children.
[Gene Zubrinsky's notes end here.]
NOTE: See father's notes for Gene Zubrinsky's data on this individual.
Gene Zubrinsky writes: "William4 Carpenter (Hannah3): There is no evidence of William's being alive after 1734."Number 13 (page 43 as a child) in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901. See Page 48. Only Elizabeth is mentioned as spouse.
BOOK: See page 14 (for family) of the Mowrey 1997 book. See book information below:
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.AFN 8MH8-HS and MTLC-5L (SP 4 Dec 1942) are the same person.
AFN V6TG-V9 (b. abt 1666) has a spouse named Hannah Haviland with one child
named Silas who had Timothy who married Elizabeth Anderson and they had
Jerimiah (b. 28 Aug 1760) who married Jane Shears. Other than the AF, no
marriage or pedigree like this can be found. Until confirmed we list Hannah as
a spouse for this William with mother as listed for Silas Carpenter.
Silas b. abt 1681 found as a son to Silas b. 1650, grandson to William
Carpenter. Different mother however. Moved to that family.Another child: a Timothy Carpenter is alleged to be a son of William,
(Due to an error in a will extract book, Admiral Carpenter thought
the father of his Timothy was William. Silas is the correct name for that
record. It was Silas who owned land near Armonk and HIS son named
Timothy did not ever marry Phoebe Coles. This caused much confusion.)
who owned land near Armonk in 1718. The Timothy Carpenter married Phoebe
Coles was not the son of his William (NOW KNOWN CORRECTLY AS SILAS) per
Charles L. Carpenter, Rear Admiral USN Ret. (in a letter dated Dec. 12, 1974).There was two (2) Timothy Carpeters in this time period who are often confused.
1) Timothy the son of William C. & Elizabeth Smith Mudge who married Phoebe
(Coles) of this William. AND
2) Timothy the son of Silas C. & Jean or Jane Thornycraft who married Elizabeth
Anderson. The now Deceased Admirial Carpenter had once thought the two might
be the same BUT thanks to corrections, wills and more research realized there
was 2 (TWO) Timothy Carpenters. The Admiral is descended from the Timothy who
was the son of Silas (At one time erroneous known as William) Carpenter.William acted as one of the Proprietors after the death of his brother Joseph
until 1706, when his nephew Joseph reached legal age. The Town Records shows
very clearly that he was a large land-owner and prominent in the affairs of the
plantation. He was a blacksmith by trade, and had his homestead and shop in
that part of town known as "Duck Pond." He sold this property in 1720, and
probably moved to Westchester county, though he still had landed interests at
Musketa Cove as late as 1734.
NAME: See spouse's and father-in-law's notes by Gene Zubrinsky.
Elizabeth Smith Mudge verses Elizabeth Smith.SOURCE: Records of Charles Lorain Carpenter, Rear Admiral USN Ret. and
Records of Louise Carpenter Licklider.BOOK: See page 10 (#4) of the Mowrey 1997 book for notes. See book
information below:
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
In AF as belonging to this family but not in the Carpenter Family in America,
1901 book.
Number 26 in the Carpenter Family in America, 1901 book.
AFN SCS1-PS and MTLF-01 are the same person.
Number 28 in the Carpenter Family in America, 1901 book.
MARRIAGE: Vide the Record of St. George's Church, Hempstead, NY.
Number 29 in the Carpenter Family in America, 1901 book.
MARRIAGE: Vide the Record of St. George's Church, Hempstead, NY.
Her husband was a resident of Musketa Cove at the time of his marriage and "his
estate" of six acres is mentioned in the tax list on 1786.
This Hannah is sometimes referred to as being born in 1743 and has a father
named Solomon Haviland. 1743 is the year William's spouse Elizabeth died.
William was born in 1666 and married a person born in 1743 - 79 years
difference in age! This strains credibility to be polite. This data is kept
here as a "correction" to the record.Gene Zubrinsky writes:
Hannah Haviland, listed as William4's second wife: Your notes, intended as a "correction to the record," imply that there is nevertheless a basis for attributing to William a wife named Hannah Haviland (though not the one mentioned in the notes); I know of no evidence even hinting at it. This almost certainly represents confusion with a wife of that name whom Carpenter [1901] attributes to Benedict Carpenter, son of William4 and Elizabeth (also as per Carpenter [1901]).
Notes below by Eugene Cole Zubrinsky Ojai, California, 2008
Children of Joseph2 and Hannah (Carpenter) Carpenter, i-iv born probably at Pawtuxet (Warwick) (birth order uncertain):
v. NATHANIEL CARPENTER, b. Pawtuxet (Warwick) or Musketa Cove between say 1668 and 10 Feb. 1672[/3?] (grantee 10 Feb. 1693[/4?]), d. North Castle 25 2nd mo. [April (not Feb.)] 1730; m. Musketa Cove 5 Nov. 1690, TAMAR COLES, b. 18 May 1673, dau. of Robert and Mercy (Wright?) Coles (OBTR 1:652-53, 655, 2:101-3; FMM-VR 220; MacDonough-Hackstaff 455).
Nathaniel is said to have been probably the first white child born at Musketa Cove (see Carpenter [1901] 43, 50). This, however, is based on the unsupported assertion that he was born in the summer of 1668 and the questionable assumption that both parents had settled on Long Island by that time (see Carpenter [1901] 50; OBTR 2:682; RESIDENCES, above). The record of his death calls him Nathaniel "Juner," but the only other man of that name known to have been residing at North Castle at the time was his son, who died in late 1758 (see FMM-VR 220; Quaker Gen 63; NYWills 5:274; Carpenter [1901] 85). An item in the 1 Jan. 1759 issue of the _New-York Mercury_ is often said online to refer to the elder Nathaniel but in fact concerns the estate settlement of his recently deceased son. Naming "Captain Nathaniel Carpenter, deceas'd, of North-Castle, in Westchester County, and Province of New-York," the notice was placed by Caleb Fowler and Caleb Green, "Executors, in said County" (Hist Newspapers). The latter two men were brothers-in-law of the younger Nathaniel, whose will names them as executors (NYWills 5:274; Carpenter [1901] 85-86).
[End of Gene Zubrinsky's notes]
Old Notes:
Number 14 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901. Page 43. Family information starts on page 50 and ends on page 55.
A blacksmith and large landowner, he was prominent in the affairs of the plantation at Musketa Cove. He later moved to Westchester County, NY where he was a Captain in the Militia.
BIRTH: 12 May 1667 in Rehoboth belongs to another Nathaniel Carpenter.
Birth estimated from 1665 to before Feb 1672.DEATH: "Capt. Nathaniel Carpenter of Northcastle, NY, West Co., NY, deceased.
A Carpenter. Sons-in-law Caleb Fowler, Caleb Green." per the New York "Mercury" for January 1, 1759.
SEE: also Minutes of Friends' Meeting, North Castle who referred to Nathaniel Carpenter as "Juner". Same death date.
SEE ALSO:
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=3753&h=4513&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=TyW2291&_phstart=successSource
Name: Nathaniel Carpenter Jr <------ should be Sr.
Death Date on Image: 25 Second 1730
Translated Death Date: 25 Apr 1730
Death Place: New York, New York
Monthly Meeting: New York Monthly Meeting
Volume: Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy Vol. III
Source Information
Ancestry.com. U.S., Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy, Vol I–VI, 1607-1943 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2013.
Original data:
Hinshaw, William Wade, et al., compilers. Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy. 6 vols. 1936–1950. Reprint, Baltimore, Maryland: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1991–1994.
Hinshaw, William Wade. Marshall, Thomas Worth, comp. Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy. Supplement to Volume 1. Washington, D.C.: n.p. 1948.CHILD: Not Proven. Solomon Carpenter, possibly a son, as noted genealogist Boutwell Dunlap thought that a brother to the Joseph of this Nathaniel Carpenter settled near Joseph when he came to VA.
Soloman was probably related but not a child in this family.FOUNDER: Nathaniel Carpenter is considered the founder of the Virginia (VA) Carpenters through his sons John and Joseph who moved into Virginia. Nathaniel was the son of Joseph Carpenter, the grandson of William Carpenter of Amesbury, the founder of the Providence, RI Branch of the Carpenters.
Nathaniel was the son of Hannah Carpenter, the grandson of William Carpenter, the founder of the Rehoboth, MA Branch of the Carpenters.BOOK: See page 13 (for family) of the Mowrey 1997 book. See book information below:
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.GRAVE: not really, see below.
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=103940870
Capt Nathaniel Carpenter
Birth: Jul. 12, 1667 <----------------- This date belongs to another Nathaniel from the Rehoboth line.
Pawtucket
Providence County
Rhode Island, USA
Death: Feb. 25, 1730
New Castle
Westchester County
New York, USA
Family links:
Spouse:
Tamar Wright Coles Carpenter (1673 - 1730)*
Children:
Joseph Coles Carpenter (1683 - 1790)* <-------- middle name not Coles
*Calculated relationship
Burial:
Unknown
Created by: Gay Lynn. (Hopper) Blac...
Record added: Jan 21, 2013
Find A Grave Memorial# 103940870
NAME: Wright was her mother's maiden name, but it is not in the AF record.
DEATH: 25 Feb 1730 is actually her husband's, with the original record's "second month" misinterpreted as February. Her death date is unknown.
Number 31 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
DEATH:
Abt 24 May 1769 but No documentation on death date, maybe highly speculated? YES!
This is the probate date for Timothy Carpenter of William who was born on 1 Apr 1698 LI, NY and chr on 4 Jan 1698.
Died young.
First name "Girl" in AF. #11 in family.
First name "Girl" in AF. #12 in family.
NOTE: See father's notes for Gene Zubrinsky's data on this individual.
Gene Zubrinsky lists her as an unconfirmed member of this family. See the CHILDREN section of his notes for her supposed father.Number 16 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.AFN 8MJ3-81 (BD 1676) IS THE SAME PERSON.
MARRIAGE: AF has spouse as Joseph, son of Joseph and Mary (Antherton) Weeks.
"Genealogy of Francis Weekes . . . and Collateral Lines" by Dr. Frank Edgar
Weeks (Kipton, OH, 1938) PP. 52, 53, 115 to 118 and 128; indicates that
Ann married Samuel, son of Samuel and Elizabeth (Reddocke or Reddbeke)
Weekes.
Gene Zubrinsky writes:
Only D. H. Carpenter [1901] presents Ann Carpenter and her marriage to Joseph Weekes without qualification. Josephine C. Frost gives Joseph Weekes's wife as Hannah Crooker (_Ancestors of Frank Herbert Davol and His Wife, Phebe Downing Willits_ [New York, 1925], 191). George W. Cocks lists Ann as a "supposed" child of Joseph and Ann (Weekes) Carpenter and calls her marriage to Joseph Weekes "also doubtful" (_History and Genealogy of the Cock-Cocks-Cox Family . . . of Oysterbay, Long Island, N.Y._, 2nd ed. [New York, 1914], 357).AFN FZPR-DT (26 Mar 1670) AND AFN C18P-QY (abt 1675 & married to Ann
CARPENTER) appear to be the same person.
Gene Zubrinsky writes:
George W. Cocks lists Ann as a "supposed" child of Joseph and Ann (Weekes) Carpenter and gives her husband first as Joseph Weekes ("doubtful") and later as "?Samuel Weekes" (_History and Genealogy of the Cock-Cocks-Cox Family . . . of Oysterbay, Long Island, N.Y._, 2nd ed. [New York, 1914], 357, 384, 385, 386). Even a link this tenuous is found nowhere else in the literature.
Number 26 in the Carpenter Family in America, 1901 book.
AFN SCS1-PS and MTLF-01 are the same person.
NOTE: See father's notes for Gene Zubrinsky's data on this individual.
Number 17 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901. Only seven children in that record.AFN 30ZB-1M and 30Z7-F9 and MTLC-DS are the same people.
He served as a Captain in the Militia.
WILL: Will dated Dec. 2, 1729 and proved April 13, 1730 in Oyster Bay, Queens
county, New York Colony is on file in the New York Surrogate's Office.
NY Historical Collection M 1704, Weeks Genealogy.
SEE ALSO: Collections of The New York Historical Society for the year 1902,
page 128 and 129 of unrecorded wills. The entire will is listed there.
"In the name of God, Amen. I, Benjamin Carpenter, of Oyster Bay, in Queens
County, being sick. I leave to my wife all household goods and moveables, and
she is to give to my two youngest daughters, Mary and Ann, enough to make them
equal with my two eldest daughters, Elizabeth and Hannah. I also leave her the
west half of my house and buildings, and my lands and meadows, during
her widowhood. But if she remarries she is to immediately surrender them. I
leave to my son Joseph, all my lands and messuages, and buldings and six sheep,
and one horse. I leave to my son Benjamin, 100 (pounds) when he is of age.
To my son Robert, 100 (pounds) when he is of age. I make my wife Mercy, and my
son Joseph, executors." Dated December 2, 1729. Witnesses, Nicholas Sneathen
(?), Job Ireland. (Mercy Carpenter and Joseph Carpenter were Quakers.)
Proved, April 13, 1730.Musketa Cove and Oyster bay are now part of Nassau county (formed 1898).
Marriages of offspring recorded at St. George's Church in Hempstead may have
been conducted at a home or gathering place as was the custom at the time.
Example: at the house or farm of Benjamin at Red Spring (in Musketa Cove, Oyster Bay Township).
AFN 30Z7-GG and MTLC-F0 are the same person.
Went from Oyster Bay area over to Ulster and Orange counties area.
No further information is found.
Number 43 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
Number 45 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
NOTE: See father's notes for Gene Zubrinsky's data on this parents and siblings of this individual.
viii. JOHN CARPENTER, b. by ca. 1683 (father's death), living Musketa Cove 4 June 1759; m. Westbury (Quaker Meeting House), Hempstead (now Old Westbury, in North Hempstead and Oyster Bay), 12 6th mo. [August (not June)] 1713, MARTHA FEAKE, b. Killingworth, Oyster Bay, 27 8th mo. [October] 1688, dau. of John and Elizabeth (Prior) Feake (Carpenter [1901] 58 [m. June], 59-60 [citing orig. Oyster Bay recs., 10:410]; FMM-VR 78, 125; GMB 1:658, citing NYGBR 87:107-8).Number 18 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.Marriage source: 12 Aug. 1713 - Records of Louise Carpenter Licklider
The Carpenter Family book has 12 June 1713.NOTE:
The following, similar to above, but with addtional info was supplied by: Donald W. Blankman on 17 Sep 2013. dblank@comcast.net
--- 11th Generation ---1024. John11 CARPENTER (1634). John Carpenter, son of Joseph and his wife Ann Weeks, was probably born a short time after the death of his father, 1683. The first mention of him is in 1713, when in the "Friends' minutes" it is recorded that "John Carpenter, son of Joseph Carpenter deceased and Ann his wife, declares his intention of marrying Martha, daughter of John and Elizabeth (Prior) Feake." They were married 12 June 1713. She was born on 27 August 1688. He was a sadler by trade, and although owning a half share in lot No. 4, yet seems never to have resided there. On 20 October 1715, for the sum of 129 Pounds he bought of his nephew Joseph Carpenter, 3rd., the old homestead of his father, which in the deed is described as "One certain tract of land and meadow, situate and lying in Musketo Cove butted and bounded as follows: A certain lott where now my dwelling house is, bounded on ye south side ye highway or street that leads westward through ye place, and on ye east by a lane that leads to ye Creek, and on ye north side ye highway that lyeth on ye north side ye Creek." Here he lived probably until his death, or at least unit 4 June 1759, when he sells this property to "his well beloved son Jacob," of Red Springs, cordwainer, he having in a former deed of date November 24, 1751, given Jacob this Red Spring (lot No. 4) farm. No record has been found of his wife's death. John probably died about 1760. He was born circa 1683 at New York, USA. He married Martha FEAKE (1635), daughter of John FEAKE (1636) and Elizabeth PRIOR (1637), on 12 Jun 1713 at age 24, Nassau, New York, USA. He died circa 1760 at New York, USA.
BIRTH: August is a misinterpretation of "eighth month" which would be October in the old calendar.
Number 50 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
Father: Israel ARNOLD (AFN:32XG-NH)
Mother: Mary BARKER (AFN:32XG-PN)Marriage(s)
Spouse: Elizabeth Stafford CASE (AFN: C269-J4)
Marriage: AFTER 1723Spouse: Elizabeth SMITH (AFN: 32XG-L5)
Marriage: 28 Feb 1699
Warwick, Kent, RiSpouse: Dorothy Whipple RHODES (AFN: C269-HX)
Marriage: 24 Dec 1719
Warwick, Kent, Ri
WILL: According to his will, dated Feb. 20, 1697 wherein he left all his
property to his father. No descendants listed.
Could this be the Ephraim Carpenter born 3 Nov. 1653? No. This was the Ephraim Carpenter that Usher created a fake Wales genealogy for. See RIN 12549.
In 1683 he was 21 years of age. (abt 1662). Served in Militia. See father's notes.
Of the Cotleb Zimmerman line.
SEE: Genealogical and Historical Record of the Carpenter Family, by James Usher
Page 30 regarding The Carpenter Family of Long Island and NY.
Of the Cotleb Zimmerman line.
SEE: Genealogical and Historical Record of the Carpenter Family, by James Usher
Page 30 regarding The Carpenter Family of Long Island and NY.
Of the Cotleb Zimmerman line.
SEE: Genealogical and Historical Record of the Carpenter Family, by James Usher
Page 30 regarding The Carpenter Family of Long Island and NY.
204. Ashman See Notes Carpenter
Of the Cotleb Zimmerman line.
SEE: Genealogical and Historical Record of the Carpenter Family, by James Usher
Page 30 regarding The Carpenter Family of Long Island and NY.SEE: The other "Ashman" (RIN 12769) Carpenter married to Mary Amelia for the correct
ancestry and children. This is left here for researchers to understand what "James Usher" did.
Of the Cotleb Zimmerman line.
SEE: Genealogical and Historical Record of the Carpenter Family, by James Usher
Page 30 regarding The Carpenter Family of Long Island and NY.
48. Susannah or Susanna Carpenter
NAME: Susannah or Susanna.
Susannah married her cousin Elisha Arnold. Among their descendants are
President James Abram Garfield and Gov. Elisha Harris of Rhode Island.
DEATH:6 or 16 Sept. 1753.
BOOK: A GENEALOGICAL DICTIONARY of THE FIRST SETTLERS OF NEW ENGLAND, SHOWING THREE GENERATIONS OF THOSE WHO CAME BEFORE MAY, 1692, ON THE BASIS OF FARMER'S REGISTER. BY JAMES SAVAGE,
ARNOLD - "ELISHA, Providence, s. of Stephen the first, took o. of alleg. May 1682, m. the same yr. Susanna Carpenter,
[[65]]"
Children of CATHERINE ARNOLD and JAMES BALLOU are:
i. SARAH8 BALLOU, b. 15 Nov, 1713, Wrentham, Ma; d. 1795; m. URRAH JILLSON,
1734.
More About SARAH BALLOU:
Fact 13: BALLOU - 1/2:1
More About URRAH JILLSON:
Fact 13: BALLOU - 1/2:1A
ii. ARIEL BALLOU, b. 18 Nov, 1715, Wrentham, Ma; d. 1791; m. JERUSHA SLACK,
Abt. 1740.
More About ARIEL BALLOU:
Fact 13: BALLOU - 1/2:2, SLACK - 1/2:3A
More About JERUSHA SLACK:
Fact 13: BALLOU - 1/2:2A, SLACK - 1/2:3
iii. BATHSHEBA BALLOU, b. 26 Nov, 1717, Wrentham, Ma; m. (1) MICHAEL KEITH;
m. (2) ELISHA NOWELL.
More About BATHSHEBA BALLOU:
Fact 13: BALLOU - 1/2:3
More About MICHAEL KEITH:
Fact 13: BALLOU - 1/2:3A
More About ELISHA NOWELL:
Fact 13: BALLOU - 1/2:3B
8. iv. MARTHA BALLOU, b. 07 Oct, 1720, Wrentham, Ma; d. 15 Jul, 1803,
Cumberland, RI.
v. JAMES BALLOU, b. 10 Dec, 1723, Wrentham, Ma; d. 1812; m. (1) HULDAH
CARPENTER; m. (2) TAMASIN COOK, 07 Jun, 1744.
More About JAMES BALLOU:
Fact 13: BALLOU - 1/2:5
More About HULDAH CARPENTER:
Fact 13: BALLOU - 1/2:5B
More About TAMASIN COOK:
Fact 13: BALLOU - 1/2:5A
vi. ELISHA BALLOU, b. 15 Nov, 1726, Wrentham, Ma; m. WILLIAM COOK, 1753.
More About ELISHA BALLOU:
Fact 13: BALLOU - 1/2:6
More About WILLIAM COOK:
Fact 13: BALLOU - 1/2:6A
vii. PRISCILLIA BALLOU, b. 06 Nov, 1731; m. WILLIAM COOK, 10 Nov, 1753,
Bellingham, MA.
More About PRISCILLIA BALLOU:
Fact 13: COOK - 2/2:5A, BALLOU - 1/2:7
More About WILLIAM COOK:
Fact 13: COOK - 2/2:5, BALLOU - 1/2:7A
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8. MARTHA8 BALLOU (CATHERINE7 ARNOLD, SUSANNA6 CARPENTER, EPHRAIM5, WILLIAM4,
RICHARD3, WILLIAM2, WILLIAM1) was born 07 Oct, 1720 in Wrentham, Ma, and died
15 Jul, 1803 in Cumberland, RI. She married NATHANIEL COOK 27 Jan, 1741/42 in
Cumberland, RI, son of NICHOLAS COOK and ELIZABETH STAPLES.
Notes for MARTHA BALLOU:
Martha Ballou was born in Wrentham Ma, this part of Wrentham later became
Cumberland, RI
More About MARTHA BALLOU:
Fact 1: Buried Ballou Burring-ground, Cumberland, RI
Fact 13: COOK - 1/9
Notes for NATHANIEL COOK:
Cook Geneology and History - Elder Nathaniel
More About NATHANIEL COOK:
Fact 13: COOK - 1/8
Children of MARTHA BALLOU and NATHANIEL COOK are:
i. JERUSHA9 COOK, b. 02 Apr, 1743, Cumberland, RI; d. 13 Sep, 1767,
Swansea, MA; m. THOMAS WOOD, 12 Jan, 1764, Cumberland, RI.
More About JERUSHA COOK:
Fact 13: COOK - 1/8:1
More About THOMAS WOOD:
Fact 13: COOK - 1/8:1A
ii. JAMES COOK, b. 23 Jul, 1744, Cumberland, RI; d. 22 Jan, 1747/48,
Cumberland, RI.
Notes for JAMES COOK:
Vital Record of Rhode Island, Cumberland, Births and Death, pg 92
More About JAMES COOK:
Fact 13: COOK - 1/8:2
iii. ELIAS COOK, b. 15 Aug, 1746, Cumberland, RI; d. 14 Dec, 1746,
Cumberland, RI.
Notes for ELIAS COOK:
Vital Record of Rhode Island, Cumberland, Births and Death, pg 92
More About ELIAS COOK:
Fact 13: COOK - 1/8:3
9. iv. NATHANIEL COOK, b. 04 Apr, 1748, Cumberland, RI; d. 1846.
10. v. ARIEL COOK, b. 15 Oct, 1749, Cumberland, RI; d. Bef. 08 Dec, 1808.
11. vi. MARTHA COOK, b. 18 Sep, 1751, Cumberland, RI; d. 1831.
12. vii. SILAS COOK, b. 23 Mar, 1753, Cumberland, RI; d. 12 Feb, 1842,
Pelham, MA.
viii. PHEBE COOK, b. 15 Jan, 1755, Cumberland, RI; d. 1843; m. JOSEPH
THAYER, 28 May, 1778, Cumberland, RI.
More About PHEBE COOK:
Fact 13: COOK - 1/8:8
More About JOSEPH THAYER:
Fact 13: COOK - 1/8:8A, COOK - 2/2:8:1
ix. ELIZABETH COOK, b. 25 Apr, 1757, Cumberland, RI; m. BENJAMIN THAYER, 16
Sep, 1779, Cumberland, RI.
More About ELIZABETH COOK:
Fact 13: COOK - 1/8:9
More About BENJAMIN THAYER:
Fact 13: COOK - 1/8:9A, COOK - 2/2:8:2
Marriage Notes for ELIZABETH COOK and BENJAMIN THAYER:
Vital Record of Rhode Island, Cumberland, Marriages, pg 23
x. JUDITH COOK, b. 19 Jan, 1759, Cumberland, RI; m. NICHOLAS THAYER, 16
Nov, 1783, Cumberland, RI.
More About JUDITH COOK:
Fact 13: COOK - 1/8:10
More About NICHOLAS THAYER:
Fact 13: COOK - 1/8:10A, COOK - 2/2:8:3
SLGS 27 SFEB 1979 SL. One of his children married a Carpenter!