Descendants of Owen Carpenter-141916 - Group 24 -
Owen Carpenter of Moore and Cumberland Counties of North Carolina
Born about 1735 in North Carolina

Notes


1. Owen Carpenter

Y-DNA:  
Group 24 of the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project.

NOTE:
Moore County was formed in 1784 from Cumberland County.
A fire in 1899 destroyed most Land Records and many Court Records in Moore County.
http://www.ncgenweb.us/moore/

PARENTAGE:  
Parents unknown - any parent linked is currently SPECULATED!
Per DNA testing the ancestry is more likely Irish or Scotch-Irish than English or German or French.
CLAIMED STORY:
Emigration to America: proof needed
The story claims that a John Carpenter (b. 1709 Dublin) came to North Carolina after his father died and he had sold the family Irish estate. He then supposedly married well in North Carolina and purchased much land. And he and or his children at first supported the British during the American Revolution until he/they repented then supported the Rebels.  Their fortunes declined after the war.

BIRTH:  
About 1740 likely in NC

LAND:  
1762: Owen first appears in Moore Co, NC records buying land in a part of Cumberland Co that became part of Moore Co in 1784.  It is thought that Owen must have been at least 21 years of age at the time to make legal transactions. He may have been married at the time and could have been the father of children born as early as 1762.  <--- need details. Should this be 1765 instead of 1762? NO.
NOTE:  The following entry may seem identical to the one cited for 1765, it is in a different deed book but describes the same land location. The difference is it was issued Oct. 28, 1765 but entered Oct. 19, 1762. One is cited as 705 and the one below that is 524. Otherwise they are identical. JRC

LAND:  1762 - image (Owen Carpenter - 705)
Name: Owen Carpenter
Issue Date: 28 Oct 1765
Residence Place: Cumberland, North Carolina, USA
Certificate Number Range: 1-759
Description: Cumberland 1-759
Source Information
Ancestry.com. North Carolina, Land Grant Files, 1693-1960 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016.
Original data: North Carolina Land Grants. Microfilm publication, 770 rolls. North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh, North Carolina.
Description
This collection consists of North Carolina land grant files, including warrants, surveys, and other documents.
NOTE:  
See LAND above and its NOTE.

LAND:  1765 - image (Owen Carpenter - 524)
Name: Owen Carpenter
Issue Date: 28 Oct 1765
Residence Place: Cumberland, North Carolina, USA
Certificate Number Range: 1-759
Description: Cumberland 1-759
Source Information
Ancestry.com. North Carolina, Land Grant Files, 1693-1960 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016.
Original data: North Carolina Land Grants. Microfilm publication, 770 rolls. North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh, North Carolina.
Description
This collection consists of North Carolina land grant files, including warrants, surveys, and other documents.

LAND: 1766 - image (hard to read)
Name: Owen Carpenter
Issue Date: 11 May 1766
Residence Place: Cumberland, North Carolina, USA
Certificate Number Range: 1-1450
Description: Cumberland 1-1450
Source Information
Ancestry.com. North Carolina, Land Grant Files, 1693-1960 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016.
Original data: North Carolina Land Grants. Microfilm publication, 770 rolls. North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh, North Carolina.
Description
This collection consists of North Carolina land grant files, including warrants, surveys, and other documents.
NOTE:
This is likely 200 acres located on Wolf Creek adjoining John Shuffel. John Williams[on] and Owen Carpenter were chain carriers on the survey team.

LAND: 1767 - image (Owen Carpenter - 1450)
Name: Owen Carpenter
Issue Date: 27 Apr 1767
Residence Place: Cumberland, North Carolina, USA
Certificate Number Range: 1318-1741
Description: Cumberland 1318-1741
Source Information
Ancestry.com. North Carolina, Land Grant Files, 1693-1960 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016.
Original data: North Carolina Land Grants. Microfilm publication, 770 rolls. North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh, North Carolina.
SEE IMAGE AT:
https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/tree/67848079/person/48174666038/media/0035db14-2930-4151-a51f-f0eac12c41da?_phsrc=QSF717&_phstart=successSource

CENSUS:
1767 NC Census
North Carolina Census, 1790-1890
Name: Owen Carpenter
State: NC
County: Cumberland County
Year: 1767
Database: NC Early Census Index
Source Information:
Jackson, Ron V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp.. North Carolina Census, 1790-1890 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999.
Original data: Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.

LAND: 1771 - image (hard to read Deed Book 4 - page 306?)
Name: Owen Carpenter
Issue Date: 3 Mar May 1773
Residence Place: Cumberland, North Carolina, USA
Certificate Number Range: 760-1317
Description: Cumberland 760-1317
Source Information
Ancestry.com. North Carolina, Land Grant Files, 1693-1960 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016.
Original data: North Carolina Land Grants. Microfilm publication, 770 rolls. North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh, North Carolina.
Description
This collection consists of North Carolina land grant files, including warrants, surveys, and other documents.
NOTE:
Owen Carpenter and wife Catherin deeded John Sheffield a tract of land on Wolf Creek adjoining John Sheffield. William Garner and Thomas Rutherford were listed as witnesses.

LAND: 1773 - image (Owen Carpenter - 1235)
Name: Owen Carpenter
Issue Date: 24 May 1773
Residence Place: Cumberland, North Carolina, USA
Certificate Number Range: 760-1317
Description: Cumberland 760-1317
Source Information
Ancestry.com. North Carolina, Land Grant Files, 1693-1960 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016.
Original data: North Carolina Land Grants. Microfilm publication, 770 rolls. North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh, North Carolina.
Description
This collection consists of North Carolina land grant files, including warrants, surveys, and other documents.

TAX:  1777
1777 Tax List
Name: Owen Carpenter
State: NC
County: Cumberland County
Year: 1777
Database: NC Tax Lists
Source Information:
Jackson, Ron V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp.. North Carolina Census, 1790-1890 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999.
Original data: Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.
NOTE:
$500 of taxable property

TAX:  1778
1778 Tax List
Name: Owen Carpenter
State: NC
County: Cumberland County
Year: 1778
Database: NC Tax Lists
Source Information:
Jackson, Ron V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp.. North Carolina Census, 1790-1890 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999.
Original data: Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.
NOTE:
$1000 of taxable property

TAX:  1779
1779 Tax List
Name: Owen Carpenter
State: NC
County: Cumberland County
Year: 1779
Database: NC Tax Lists
Source Information:
Jackson, Ron V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp.. North Carolina Census, 1790-1890 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999.
Original data: Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.
NOTE:
$4000 of taxable property

TAX:  1780
1780 Tax List
Name: Owen Carpenter
State: NC
County: Cumberland County
Year: 1780
Database: NC Tax Lists
Source Information:
Jackson, Ron V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp.. North Carolina Census, 1790-1890 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999.
Original data: Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.
NOTE:
$2740 of taxable property (horses, cattle and money) including 350 acres valued at $1350 and 1 slave.

TAX:  1783
1783 Tax List
Name: Owen Carpenter
State: NC
County: Cumberland County
Year: 1783
Database: NC Tax Lists
Source Information:
Jackson, Ron V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp.. North Carolina Census, 1790-1890 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999.
Original data: Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.
NOTE:
$300 of taxable property.

MILITARY: 1783 - War payment - image (or is this his son?)
Owen Carpenter receives on 12 Aug 1783 from North Carolina, District of Wilmington, some 63 pounds, 17 shillings and ten pence Spiecies for his service.
Name: Owen Carpenter
Event Type: Military Service
Event Date: 14 Aug 1783
Event Place: Wilmington, New Hanover, North Carolina, United States
Event Place (Original): Wilmington,, North Carolina, United States
Gender: Male
Digital Folder Number: 004320481
Image Number: 00862
Citing this Record
"North Carolina Revolutionary Pay Vouchers, 1779-1782," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WT-G9KW : accessed 2 May 2020), Owen Carpenter, 14 Aug 1783; citing Wilmington, New Hanover, North Carolina, United States, State Archives of North Carolina, Raleigh.
NOTE:
See COMMENT below by Lynne Collins. This is from her Ancestry Family tree Gallery.
NOTE:
Wilimington is located is located in the far south east of the State of North Carolina.
WIKI:
The Wilmington Historic District is a national historic district located at Wilmington, New Hanover County, North Carolina. The district encompasses 875 contributing buildings 38 contributing sites, and 3 contributing structures in the historic core and surrounding residential sections of Wilmington.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilmington_Historic_District

MILITARY:  1783 - image  
Name: *En Carpenter   <---- ink stain over first part of fore name leaving the letters "en."  I suspect it is Owen Carpenter
Event Type: Military Service
Event Date: 04 Dec 1783
Event Place: Wilmington, New Hanover, North Carolina, United States
Event Place (Original): Wilmington,, North Carolina, United States
Gender: Male
Digital Folder Number: 004320481
Image Number: 00864
Citing this Record
"North Carolina Revolutionary Pay Vouchers, 1779-1782," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WT-GQN4 : accessed 2 May 2020), *En Carpenter, 04 Dec 1783; citing Wilmington, New Hanover, North Carolina, United States, State Archives of North Carolina, Raleigh.

BIO:

Origins of Margaret A. (Martha) Carpenter Spouse of John Allen Wier
1. Owen Carpenter Sr. b. bef 1741; d. abt 1781 Moore Co, NC Married Catherin (Catrin)
Children: Catheson, Catrine, John, Owen Jr. (m. 1. Sarah Anderson; 2. Martha)
2. Owen Carpenter Jr. b. 1778 MooreCo, NC; d. 1863 TippahCo, MS Married bef 1807 1. Sarah Anderson

DEATH:  Maybe - but this similar story is repeated for several surnames!  - Likey a myth!

1781-1783: Owen Carpenter Sr. appears to have died c1781-1783. There was a grave monument to "Owen Carpenter and son, killed by Cornwallis's men" in Moore Co, NC in the Shamburger Cemetery located about one-half mile off of County Road 1403, approximately one-half mile north of the community of Dover in MooreCo, NC, but apparently has been destroyed by vandals. The story of Owen's murder as told in a newspaper article says that he was home on furlough during the Revolution when Tory soldiers began looting the area. He was carrying his newborn son when he went to the door and the Tories gunned them down with a single bullet.

COMMENT:
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/27326160/person/300188364107/gallery
Lynne Collins in 2019 writes:

There are two different families that cause confusion and combining of the names. Thomas and Owen are two separate men.
Thomas Carpenter is from Nash Co, it dates back to 1782 in that region. Thomas has a son who is Thomas Jr. They can both be found in Revolutionary documents.
Owen Carpenter can be traced to Cumberland (Moore) from 1767, where he appears in the 1790 census. The 1800 census lists both of his sons Addam and Owen. It also appears that the mother of Owen may be residing with him.
There is "legend" that says:
While home on leave from fighting in the Revolutionary War, British Soldiers came to his home on Bear Creek, N.C., came to the door, with his newly born son in his arms, the soldiers fired on him and killed he and his infant son.Both buried in same grave in Shamburger Cemetery, Moore Co., NC
There are no fact to support this legend, and the war payment in 1783 would go against Owen dying in 1780. Since Owen was not listed in the 1790 census, he likely passed between 1783 and 1790.
Owen is also not the father of Temple, Temple was from Montgomery NC, and possibly the uncle of Temple.

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Subject: Re: New DNA Test Results Posted - xxxxx (html formatted)
John,
I second your motion that this is a new "group," but I actually think we are looking specifically at the descendants of Owen Carpenter, Sr. and, thus, the group might more accurately be classified as the "Moore Co., NC Carpenters" (unless or until a match surfaces from a different location). This seemingly befuddling DNA data is entirely consistent with how I have always believed the Moore Co., NC Carpenter family was structured. To my mind, the most significant of the confusing jumble of records from Moore Co. is this one from 1794:
"Owen Carpenter came into court, and gave up Owen Carpenter, Jr., John Carpenter and Sarah Carpenter, orphan children, who were bound to him and the court ordered his bond to be discharged."
Without going into any detail, I believe the only way you can reconcile this with all the other records is to interpret the Owen giving up the orphans as Owen (b. ~1765; d. ~1828, Lawrence Co., MS; m. Sarah Smith) who must also of virtual necessity be the Owen Carpenter enumerated as head of household in Moore Co. in 1790 since Owen (b. ~1777; d. 1864, Tippah Co., MS) was hardly old enough (note the justified confusion in that Owen (b. ~1765) was also apparently enumerated in Montgomery Co. that year as well). The "Owen Carpenter, Jr." ("Jr." meaning simply junior in age, not necessarily "son of Sr.," of course) in the above record is, with virtual certainty, Owen (b. ~1777), and most likely the nephew of his guardian, Owen (b. ~1765). Since Owen (b. ~1765) is almost certainly the head of household in Moore Co. in 1790, he is almost certainly the son of Owen Sr. The junior Owen (b. ~1777) is, therefore, almost certainly the son of another son of Owen Sr. who presumably died young and left the three orphans. Is there a candidate for the father in the records? Yes, there is a John Carpenter who appears briefly in the records around 1780.
Note also that Owen (b. ~1765) was preparing to depart for Franklin Co., GA at the time of this record (where he was by the following year, 1795) which would explain why he was giving up the orphans.
But what also concerns us here is the other male orphan in 1794, John. I think Terry has always leaned toward this John being the John (b. 1780s) who married Penelope McAfee in Williamson Co, TN in 1808 and who eventually wound up in Tishomingo Co., MS (grandfather of Adam Haywood Carpenter). Certainly I have always operated under the assumption that this is more than likely the case (although I am not sure that I remember the reasons why). And now the DNA results are entirely consistent.
So I would suggest the following family structure (don't hold me to the dates, etc. as I am writing from relatively distant memory):
Owen Carpenter (b. by 1742; d. ~1780; m. Catherine _?_)
1) John Carpenter (b. prob. by 1760; d. prob. early 1780s)
1a) Owen Carpenter (b. ~1777; d. 1864, Tippah Co., MS)
1b) John Carpenter (b. 1780s; d. Tishomingo Co., MS; m. Penelope McAfee)
1c) Sarah Carpenter
2) Owen Carpenter (b. ~1765; d. ~1828, Lawrence Co., MS; m. ~1785, Sarah Smith)
3) Dennis Carpenter (b. ~1767; d. ~1838, Montgomery Co., AL?)
4) Adam Carpenter (b. ~1771; d. Edgefield Co., SC)
The interesting thing is that the name Owen got carried down through Temple Carpenter's lines (Group 7) straight through to the 20th century when Owen Sr. was apparently no relation. Maybe Temple named a son Owen to honor Owen Sr., or maybe they thought they were related. But it has always been true that Temple (and presumably his father, Thomas) lived in a different watershed from Owen Sr. and there has always been that suggestion that maybe they were not actually related. If not related, I would have thought that Owen Sr. was a German belonging to the Rockingham, VA clan. But apparently this is not the case either.
What we need is a descendant of Owen (b. ~1777; d. Tippah Co., MS) to test. I suspect that would be a third match and that would take things full circle with that 1794 record above. But in any case, again, I suspect that all we are looking at here are the descendants of Owen Sr., or more generally the Moore Co., NC Carpenters (bearing a unique haplotype to date).
Terry, is this still too speculative? I would say it is looking more solid by the minute because I cannot otherwise account for such an otherwise seemingly odd match with John (b. 1780s).
Ken

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Subject: Re: New DNA Test Results Posted - 134656 (html formatted)

Below is a tentative construct for how the two lines of descent for 100444 and 134656 may be related -- comments/corrections/additions welcomed.   The unproven links are marked with an asterisk.

Owen Carpenter, b in 1746 or earlier, d c1780-1783.
*- John Carpenter, b c1760s, d prior to 19 May 1794 when his posited brother "Owen Carpenter came into court, and gave up Owen Carpenter, Jr., John Carpenter and Sarah Carpenter, orphan children, who were bound to him and the court ordered his bond to be discharged."
*-- John Carpenter, b c1780-1790, m 1808 in Williamson Co. TN Penelope McAfee.
---- John Carpenter Jr., b c1820 in TN, enumerated in Tishomingo Co. MS in 1850, but not subsequently.
---- Adam Haywood Carpenter, b 1847 in MS, d 1919 in OK.
----- Charles Edward Carpenter, b 1878 in TN, d c1955 in TX.
------ Oscar Haywood Carpenter, b 1909 in TX, l in OK.
------- FTDNA #100444, who has a 36/37 match with FTDNA #134656.

*-- Owen Carpenter, b c1765, m c1785-1787 in Moore Co. NC Sarah Smith.
---- Nathan Carpenter, b c1800 in GA, m 1824 'Nelly' Case.
----- Abner A. Carpenter, b c1832 in MS, m 1859 Mary Ellen Minyard.
------ William Asberry Carpenter, b 1869, d 1938.
------- Abner Carpenter, b 1892, m by c1913 Mary A. Mathews.
-------- James Willie Carpenter, b 1914, d 1985 in MS.
--------- FTDNA #134656 who has a 36/37 match with FTDNA #100444.

*Link not proven.
Terry

MISC:
North Carolina Soldiers
Number  To whom granted and rank   Number of acres  Service in months Date of warrant  Location  To whom deeded
1808. The heirs of William Green Carpenter, a Privt. ye 2nd. and certify by Thos. Armstrong that there are two of the same. 640 84 May 11, 1785 --- Jno. Smith, Surcy or ry.
Could this be another son of Owen Carpenter, Sr
His heirs are not named either.
This man served 5 years in the 9th North Carolina Regiment, Continental Army.
No.: 1808. To whom granted and rank: The heirs of William Green Carpenter, a Privt. ye 2nd. and certify by Thos. Armstrong that there are two of the same No. acres: 640 Service in months: 84 Location and to whom deeded and date of warrant. Within the limits of the lands allotted the officers and soldiers of the Continental Line, by Law, 1783, Oct. 14: May 11, '85 : Jno. Smith, Surcy or ry
Two people have listed his heirs as :
Owen Carpenter  1773-1863
Sarah Carpenter
John Carpenter  1780-1837

E-MAIL:  2018
From: Ed Carpenter   pleascyd@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 4:22 PM
To: John R. Carpenter
Cc: diluvius@yahoo.com
Subject: Rough Draft
John, Hello again. Thank you for the renewed interest and the rough draft. I have been going through it but thus far I do not find any changes or updates to it. Is that why there was a reference to there being a match in Group 24 between FTDNA # 100444 and # 134656 but not #'s 390127, # 654410 and mine # 449406.
John, Since you and I spoke last year, have been working very hard on getting my genealogical research to match my DNA results. Like you said, it is very difficult and tedious work. However, It looked like my DNA results confirmed my tree back to Owen ( 1741-1781) but with questions about his wife Catherine ??, that I am inclined to believe it is Sheffield. I know without question that I am accurate from my dad, Clyde A. Carpenter 1909-1981, his father, William Carpenter 1875-1915, his father, Owen C. Carpenter 1832-1904, his father, Owen Carpenter 1795-1864 and fairly certain of Owen Carpenter 1765-1828 as being his father. I have relatives who knew them and had stories about them and I have photos of them up to Owen 1795.
...  Ed
COMMENT:  JRC mentions ...
Regarding the parentage of Owen Carpenter-141916 (b. abt 1730/1740 of NC – d. abt 1780/1784 Moore County, NC). When we focus on genetics, via Y-DNA testing, then this is far as we can go at this time.
FYI: Terry mentioned that Moore County was formed in 1784 from Cumberland County.
And you are correct many internet genealogies still claim the heritage you mentioned. But, descendants of that claimed line are clearly from Group 7 and not Group 24 of the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project. Could there have been an adoption that was formal or informal? Yes. We call this a NPE or non-paternal event. Many a widow with a young child remarried and many of those children took on the step-father’s surname. But proving such, with documentation is often very very hard.

COMMENT:  By Ed Carpenter  pleascyd@gmail.com (June 2021)
It has for a long time been claimed that Owen was born in Cumberland Co, NC, but we have nothing to prove that. All we know is that he owned and farmed several plots of land in Cumberland Counties beginning in 1762 when he would have been about 21 years of age. Was he born in Bladen, Cumberland, or Moore counties or did he migrate there from another Colony? Cumberland County was established from the northern part of Bladen County in 1754 and Moore County was created from a part of Cumberland County in 1784. It was name after Alfred Moore, a revolutionary was veteran and U.S Supreme Court Justice. It was originally settled by Highland Scots. North Carolina Colony was made a state on November 21, 1789.
   Recently speculation based on information discovered by John R. Carpenter is that OWEN may be from Wilmington, New Hanover, North Carolina after an Owen Carpenter is shown receiving Revolutionary War pay vouchers in Wilmington, New Hanover on Event dates of August 14, 1783 and December 4, 1783. On August 14 he received 63 some 63 pounds and 17 shillings and 10 pence.  On December 4 his name was spelled en Carpenter but there was an ink stain over the first part of his name. John R. Carpenter suspects it is Owen.
  If it is OWEN, he would have been between 43 and 53 years of age but his date of death is believed to between 1781 and 1783. It could be him and he died later than thought, or perhaps it is his son Owen - 139274 - Born 1765. His son would have been about 18 years of age at the time of receiving the vouchers. Perhaps too young to have fought in the war.  Could it have been OWEN’ s widow, Caterin who filed for the vouchers? Or, was it Owen and his date of death later than originally thought (1781/1783)?
   There was also a Peter Carpenter - 209557 - born about 1760/1765 or perhaps earlier of Wilmington, New Hanover who received Revolutionary War pay vouchers in Wilmington, New Hanover on Event Dates: June, 15, 1780 and December 18, 1783 around the same time Owen received his vouchers.
   John R. Carpenter suspects that Peter and Owen were related and could be brothers, Owen - 139274 born about 1765 and Peter -209557 born about 1760. They would have been 18 and 23 years of age respectively at the end of the war. Could it be Owen -141916 born about 1730/1740, and a younger brother named Peter, that we did not know about, or is he the father of Peter? With the age difference between Owen and Peter if makes sense that Owen could be Peter’s father but I have seen any evidence that Owen had a son named Peter.  If we could find a descendant of Peter to take a DNA test we could prove it one way or the other.
OWEN -141916 PARENTAGE IS UNKNOWN:  There is speculation that his parents might have been JOHN CARPENTER and ELIZABETH OWENS and he may have migrated to Cumberland County, North Carolina from Fredrick/Hampshire County Virginia before the French and Indian War (1754-1763). There is no proof of that and we don’t know whether he had any siblings or not. Many settlers moved there due to the Indian violence and went east over the Blue Ridge Mountains prior to 1755 seeking land and a safe place. This was the case with the Owens and Cole families and is believed to be the case for the Carpenters and Smiths.
   Up until recently most researchers have been looking at England for OWEN’s Ancestors. However, since we have run into so many roadblocks pursuing the British angle and the results of DNA testing of GROUP 24 it is now believed OWEN’s ancestry is more likely Irish or Scotch-Irish.
    
    The FOLLOWING is based on the modified register John R. Carpenter’s forwarded to members of GROUP 24. John and I are hoping this information will lead us to OWEN’ ancestors.
JOHN CARPENTER -213770 born about 1650 in Dublin, Ireland. He married Alice Povey - 214197 born about 1670. They had the following children:
John Carpenter - 206610 who was born about 1683 in Dublin, Ireland. He was buried on June 14m 1709 in Near the Alter, Saint Nicholas within, Dublin, Ireland. He married Ann - 209590 who was born about 1683 in Dublin, Ireland.
         John and Ann had the following Children:
1) John Carpenter -195781 was christened on March 24, 1707/1708 in Saint Nicholas within, Dublin, Dublin, Ireland. He had a death date of June 14, 1709 but is thought to be the date of his father above. Emigration to America needs to be proven.
2) Carpenter -195009 was born about 1710/1715 in Saint Nicholas within, Dublin, Dublin, Ireland. He was buried on January 6, 1715 in Saint Nicholas within, Dublin, Dublin, Ireland.
3) Heneritta Carpenter -210006 christened on March 22, 1716 in Saint Nicholas within, Dublin, Dublin, Ireland.
4)Elizabeth Carpenter - 210007 was christened on April 22, 1719 in Saint Nicholas within, Dublin, Dublin, Ireland

My earlier research pointed toward OWEN CARPENTER- 141916 AND CATERIN - 141920 as having the following children:
JONATHAN (JOHN) CARPENTER - 141919 - Born 1754/1765 and died before 1794.
SOLOMON CARPENTER - Born 1760
OWEN CARPENTER - 139274 - Born 1765 in NC and died 1828 in Mississippi
DENNIS CARPENTER -142311 - Born 1767 in NC and died 1838 in Alabama
TEMPLE CARPENTER - Born 1969
ADAM CARPENTER - 142310 - Born 7-2-1771 in NC and died 10-31851
INFANT- Born 1781 -and died in 1781

   However, John R. Carpenter and Terry Carpenter, Administrators of the FTDNA Carpenter Cousins Project, disagreed based on their research as well as DNA results of the members of Group - 24. They believe that overzealous researchers inadvertently combined the families of two different individuals named Thomas Carpenter, and Owen Carpenter, and merged these two people in to one and attributed all the children to one person, Thomas Owen Carpenter. John and Terry believe that these two Carpenters were both living in North Carolina at the same time and have been confused. However, Thomas was from Nash County and Owen from Cumberland County that later became Moore County. Thomas dates back to 1782 in Nash County.  They believe Solomon and Temple are the children of Thomas and not Owen.
More recently though John R. Carpenter suggests the following:
Owen and Caterin had the following children:
M - PETER CARPENTER -209557 - born about 1760/1765 in N.C. He died before 1811 in N.C.
M - OWEN CARPENTER - 139274 - was born July 1, 1765 and died in Carroll County, Mississippi in about 1828.
M - JONATHON (JOHN) CARPENTER - was born 1754/1760 and died before 1794.
F - CATHERINE CARPENTER OR CATHESON - 141917 was born about 1768.There is no proof Owen and Caterin had a daughter
M - DENNIS CARPENTER - 142311 was born about 1767 and died in 1838.
M - ADAM CARPENTER - 142310 was born on July 2, 1771 and died on October 3, 1851.
M - INFANT CARPENTER - Born 1781 and died 1781.


Catherine

NAME:
Probably not a Shamburger, no documentation either way.
Catrine & Catheson are variants of Catherine.

NAME:  
The surname of Sheffield has been proposed for her maiden name. See Owen Carpenter's notes under E-MAIL: 2018.


4. Catherine or Catheson Carpenter

Speculative daughter.
(Ken is) not aware of any proof that Owen Sr. had a daughter named Catherine, but I am aware of various mistranscriptions of records naming his wife, Catherine, among them "Catheson" and "Catrine," and I suspect these have been confused here.

COMMENT:  By Ed Carpenter  pleascyd@gmail.com (June 2021)  
Speculative daughter. There is no proof Owen had a daughter named Catherine.