Descendants of Owen Carpenter

Notes


1. Owen Carpenter

Y-DNA:  
Group 24 of the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project.

NOTE:
Moore County was formed in 1784 from Cumberland County.
A fire in 1899 destroyed most Land Records and many Court Records in Moore County.
http://www.ncgenweb.us/moore/

BIRTH:  
About 1740.

LAND:  
1762: Owen first appears in Moore Co, NC records buying land in a part of Cumberland Co that became part of Moore Co in 1784.  It is thought that Owen must have been at least 21 years of age at the time to make legal transactions. He may have been married at the time and could have been the father of children born as early as 1762.  <--- need details. Should this be 1765 instead of 1762? NO.
NOTE:  The following entry may seem identical to the one cited for 1765, it is in a different deed book but describes the same land location. The difference is it was issued Oct. 28, 1765 but entered Oct. 19, 1762. One is cited as 705 and the one below that is 524. Otherwise they are identical. JRC

LAND:  1762 - image (Owen Carpenter - 705)
Name: Owen Carpenter
Issue Date: 28 Oct 1765
Residence Place: Cumberland, North Carolina, USA
Certificate Number Range: 1-759
Description: Cumberland 1-759
Source Information
Ancestry.com. North Carolina, Land Grant Files, 1693-1960 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016.
Original data: North Carolina Land Grants. Microfilm publication, 770 rolls. North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh, North Carolina.
Description
This collection consists of North Carolina land grant files, including warrants, surveys, and other documents.

LAND:  1765 - image (Owen Carpenter - 524)
Name: Owen Carpenter
Issue Date: 28 Oct 1765
Residence Place: Cumberland, North Carolina, USA
Certificate Number Range: 1-759
Description: Cumberland 1-759
Source Information
Ancestry.com. North Carolina, Land Grant Files, 1693-1960 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016.
Original data: North Carolina Land Grants. Microfilm publication, 770 rolls. North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh, North Carolina.
Description
This collection consists of North Carolina land grant files, including warrants, surveys, and other documents.

LAND: 1767 - image (Owen Carpenter - 1450)
Name: Owen Carpenter
Issue Date: 27 Apr 1767
Residence Place: Cumberland, North Carolina, USA
Certificate Number Range: 1318-1741
Description: Cumberland 1318-1741
Source Information
Ancestry.com. North Carolina, Land Grant Files, 1693-1960 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016.
Original data: North Carolina Land Grants. Microfilm publication, 770 rolls. North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh, North Carolina.

CENSUS:
1767 NC Census
North Carolina Census, 1790-1890
Name: Owen Carpenter
State: NC
County: Cumberland County
Year: 1767
Database: NC Early Census Index
Source Information:
Jackson, Ron V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp.. North Carolina Census, 1790-1890 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999.
Original data: Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.

LAND: 1773 - image (Owen Carpenter - 1235)
Name: Owen Carpenter
Issue Date: 24 May 1773
Residence Place: Cumberland, North Carolina, USA
Certificate Number Range: 760-1317
Description: Cumberland 760-1317
Source Information
Ancestry.com. North Carolina, Land Grant Files, 1693-1960 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016.
Original data: North Carolina Land Grants. Microfilm publication, 770 rolls. North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh, North Carolina.
Description
This collection consists of North Carolina land grant files, including warrants, surveys, and other documents.

BIO:

Origins of Margaret A. (Martha) Carpenter Spouse of John Allen Wier
1. Owen Carpenter Sr. b. bef 1741; d. abt 1781 Moore Co, NC Married Catherin (Catrin)
Children: Catheson, Catrine, John, Owen Jr. (m. 1. Sarah Anderson; 2. Martha)
2. Owen Carpenter Jr. b. 1778 MooreCo, NC; d. 1863 TippahCo, MS Married bef 1807 1. Sarah Anderson

DEATH:

1781-1783: Owen Carpenter Sr. appears to have died c1781-1783. There was a grave monument to "Owen Carpenter and son, killed by Cornwallis's men" in Moore Co, NC in the Shamburger Cemetery located about one-half mile off of County Road 1403, approximately one-half mile north of the community of Dover in MooreCo, NC, but apparently has been destroyed by vandals. The story of Owen's murder as told in a newspaper article says that he was home on furlough during the Revolution when Tory soldiers began looting the area. He was carrying his newborn son when he went to the door and the Tories gunned them down with a single bullet.

E-MAIL:
From: bc27 ad1453
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:22 AM
To: john.chandler@alum.mit.edu ; jrcrin001@cox.net
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Subject: Re: New DNA Test Results Posted - xxxxx (html formatted)
John,
I second your motion that this is a new "group," but I actually think we are looking specifically at the descendants of Owen Carpenter, Sr. and, thus, the group might more accurately be classified as the "Moore Co., NC Carpenters" (unless or until a match surfaces from a different location). This seemingly befuddling DNA data is entirely consistent with how I have always believed the Moore Co., NC Carpenter family was structured. To my mind, the most significant of the confusing jumble of records from Moore Co. is this one from 1794:
"Owen Carpenter came into court, and gave up Owen Carpenter, Jr., John Carpenter and Sarah Carpenter, orphan children, who were bound to him and the court ordered his bond to be discharged."
Without going into any detail, I believe the only way you can reconcile this with all the other records is to interpret the Owen giving up the orphans as Owen (b. ~1765; d. ~1828, Lawrence Co., MS; m. Sarah Smith) who must also of virtual necessity be the Owen Carpenter enumerated as head of household in Moore Co. in 1790 since Owen (b. ~1777; d. 1864, Tippah Co., MS) was hardly old enough (note the justified confusion in that Owen (b. ~1765) was also apparently enumerated in Montgomery Co. that year as well). The "Owen Carpenter, Jr." ("Jr." meaning simply junior in age, not necessarily "son of Sr.," of course) in the above record is, with virtual certainty, Owen (b. ~1777), and most likely the nephew of his guardian, Owen (b. ~1765). Since Owen (b. ~1765) is almost certainly the head of household in Moore Co. in 1790, he is almost certainly the son of Owen Sr. The junior Owen (b. ~1777) is, therefore, almost certainly the son of another son of Owen Sr. who presumably died young and left the three orphans. Is there a candidate for the father in the records? Yes, there is a John Carpenter who appears briefly in the records around 1780.
Note also that Owen (b. ~1765) was preparing to depart for Franklin Co., GA at the time of this record (where he was by the following year, 1795) which would explain why he was giving up the orphans.
But what also concerns us here is the other male orphan in 1794, John. I think Terry has always leaned toward this John being the John (b. 1780s) who married Penelope McAfee in Williamson Co, TN in 1808 and who eventually wound up in Tishomingo Co., MS (grandfather of Adam Haywood Carpenter). Certainly I have always operated under the assumption that this is more than likely the case (although I am not sure that I remember the reasons why). And now the DNA results are entirely consistent.
So I would suggest the following family structure (don't hold me to the dates, etc. as I am writing from relatively distant memory):
Owen Carpenter (b. by 1742; d. ~1780; m. Catherine _?_)
1) John Carpenter (b. prob. by 1760; d. prob. early 1780s)
1a) Owen Carpenter (b. ~1777; d. 1864, Tippah Co., MS)
1b) John Carpenter (b. 1780s; d. Tishomingo Co., MS; m. Penelope McAfee)
1c) Sarah Carpenter
2) Owen Carpenter (b. ~1765; d. ~1828, Lawrence Co., MS; m. ~1785, Sarah Smith)
3) Dennis Carpenter (b. ~1767; d. ~1838, Montgomery Co., AL?)
4) Adam Carpenter (b. ~1771; d. Edgefield Co., SC)
The interesting thing is that the name Owen got carried down through Temple Carpenter's lines (Group 7) straight through to the 20th century when Owen Sr. was apparently no relation. Maybe Temple named a son Owen to honor Owen Sr., or maybe they thought they were related. But it has always been true that Temple (and presumably his father, Thomas) lived in a different watershed from Owen Sr. and there has always been that suggestion that maybe they were not actually related. If not related, I would have thought that Owen Sr. was a German belonging to the Rockingham, VA clan. But apparently this is not the case either.
What we need is a descendant of Owen (b. ~1777; d. Tippah Co., MS) to test. I suspect that would be a third match and that would take things full circle with that 1794 record above. But in any case, again, I suspect that all we are looking at here are the descendants of Owen Sr., or more generally the Moore Co., NC Carpenters (bearing a unique haplotype to date).
Terry, is this still too speculative? I would say it is looking more solid by the minute because I cannot otherwise account for such an otherwise seemingly odd match with John (b. 1780s).
Ken

From: Terry Carpenter
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 5:36 PM
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Subject: Re: New DNA Test Results Posted - 134656 (html formatted)

Below is a tentative construct for how the two lines of descent for 100444 and 134656 may be related -- comments/corrections/additions welcomed.   The unproven links are marked with an asterisk.

Owen Carpenter, b in 1746 or earlier, d c1780-1783.
*- John Carpenter, b c1760s, d prior to 19 May 1794 when his posited brother "Owen Carpenter came into court, and gave up Owen Carpenter, Jr., John Carpenter and Sarah Carpenter, orphan children, who were bound to him and the court ordered his bond to be discharged."
*-- John Carpenter, b c1780-1790, m 1808 in Williamson Co. TN Penelope McAfee.
---- John Carpenter Jr., b c1820 in TN, enumerated in Tishomingo Co. MS in 1850, but not subsequently.
---- Adam Haywood Carpenter, b 1847 in MS, d 1919 in OK.
----- Charles Edward Carpenter, b 1878 in TN, d c1955 in TX.
------ Oscar Haywood Carpenter, b 1909 in TX, l in OK.
------- FTDNA #100444, who has a 36/37 match with FTDNA #134656.

*-- Owen Carpenter, b c1765, m c1785-1787 in Moore Co. NC Sarah Smith.
---- Nathan Carpenter, b c1800 in GA, m 1824 'Nelly' Case.
----- Abner A. Carpenter, b c1832 in MS, m 1859 Mary Ellen Minyard.
------ William Asberry Carpenter, b 1869, d 1938.
------- Abner Carpenter, b 1892, m by c1913 Mary A. Mathews.
-------- James Willie Carpenter, b 1914, d 1985 in MS.
--------- FTDNA #134656 who has a 36/37 match with FTDNA #100444.

*Link not proven.
Terry

MISC:
North Carolina Soldiers
Number  To whom granted and rank   Number of acres  Service in months Date of warrant  Location  To whom deeded
1808. The heirs of William Green Carpenter, a Privt. ye 2nd. and certify by Thos. Armstrong that there are two of the same. 640 84 May 11, 1785 --- Jno. Smith, Surcy or ry.
Could this be another son of Owen Carpenter, Sr
His heirs are not named either.
This man served 5 years in the 9th North Carolina Regiment, Continental Army.
No.: 1808. To whom granted and rank: The heirs of William Green Carpenter, a Privt. ye 2nd. and certify by Thos. Armstrong that there are two of the same No. acres: 640 Service in months: 84 Location and to whom deeded and date of warrant. Within the limits of the lands allotted the officers and soldiers of the Continental Line, by Law, 1783, Oct. 14: May 11, '85 : Jno. Smith, Surcy or ry
Two people have listed his heirs as :
Owen Carpenter  1773-1863
Sarah Carpenter
John Carpenter  1780-1837

E-MAIL:  2018
From: Ed Carpenter   pleascyd@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 4:22 PM
To: John R. Carpenter
Cc: diluvius@yahoo.com
Subject: Rough Draft
John, Hello again. Thank you for the renewed interest and the rough draft. I have been going through it but thus far I do not find any changes or updates to it. Is that why there was a reference to there being a match in Group 24 between FTDNA # 100444 and # 134656 but not #'s 390127, # 654410 and mine # 449406.
John, Since you and I spoke last year, have been working very hard on getting my genealogical research to match my DNA results. Like you said, it is very difficult and tedious work. However, It looked like my DNA results confirmed my tree back to Owen ( 1741-1781) but with questions about his wife Catherine ??, that I am inclined to believe it is Sheffield. I know without question that I am accurate from my dad, Clyde A. Carpenter 1909-1981, his father, William Carpenter 1875-1915, his father, Owen C. Carpenter 1832-1904, his father, Owen Carpenter 1795-1864 and fairly certain of Owen Carpenter 1765-1828 as being his father. I have relatives who knew them and had stories about them and I have photos of them up to Owen 1795.
...  Ed
COMMENT:  JRC mentions ...
Regarding the parentage of Owen Carpenter-141916 (b. abt 1730/1740 of NC – d. abt 1780/1784 Moore County, NC). When we focus on genetics, via Y-DNA testing, then this is far as we can go at this time.
FYI: Terry mentioned that Moore County was formed in 1784 from Cumberland County.
And you are correct many internet genealogies still claim the heritage you mentioned. But, descendants of that claimed line are clearly from Group 7 and not Group 24 of the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project. Could there have been an adoption that was formal or informal? Yes. We call this a NPE or non-paternal event. Many a widow with a young child remarried and many of those children took on the step-father’s surname. But proving such, with documentation is often very very hard.


Catherine

NAME:
Probably not a Shamburge, no documentation either way.
Catrine & Catheson are variants of Catherine.

NAME:  
The surname of Sheffield has been proposed for her maiden name. See Owen Carpenter's notes under E-MAIL: 2018.


3. Catherine or Catheson Carpenter

Speculative daughter.
(Ken is) not aware of any proof that Owen Sr. had a daughter named Catherine, but I am aware of various mistranscriptions of records naming his wife, Catherine, among them "Catheson" and "Catrine," and I suspect these have been confused here.