Number 8954 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 824.
Family on page 824 (#1832).NAME: Abel in the CM and James Abel from: Sally Verma on Sat, 4 Mar 2000.
Her E-Mail is: SallyVerma@aol.com
COMMENT:
I am not finding evidence of James - only Abel as a name.NOTE: A Descendant through this son has Y-DNA match with Group 12 of the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project. AND not of Group 3. Likely due to NPE or bad geenalogy?
FATHER:
George challenged and Benjamin seemingly disproved by Y-DNA test.NOTE:
To go to Harrison County, WV from Fauquier County is by land. North into Loudoun County then west on the Old Northwestern Turnpike over the Shenandoah Mountains until you get to Harrison County then part of VA.
To go to Lawrence County, OH from Harrison County you head west on the Old Northwestern Turnpike until you get to the Ohio River. Then use the river to float to Lawrence County. Note, there was also a trail that went inland (west of the river into Ohio) then south.
There are several ways to go from Lawrence County, OH to Fountain County, IN. A) Down the Ohio river to Wabash River. Up the Wabash to Fountain County. B) By land northwest across the State of Ohio and near the center of the state follow the Old Chicago Road to Lafayette, OH then SW to Fountain County.
Virginia offically lost West Virginia in 1863 when WV became a state. So all counties were in VA prior.
Harrison County was created in 1784 from Monongalia County which was created in 1776 from District of Augusta. Augusta County was created in 1738 from Orange County that was created in 1734 from Spotsylavania which was created in 1720 from the counties of Essex (1692), King and Queen (1691) and King William (1700). Each of the three later also break down, but as given provides enough of an example.MARRIAGE: 1794
Name: Abel Carpenter
Spouse: Mary Hayes
Marriage Date: 25 Mar 1794
Marriage Location: Fauquier County, Virginia
Source Information
Dodd, Jordan. Virginia, U.S., Compiled Marriages, 1660-1800 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1997.
Original data: Dodd, Jordan, comp.. Virginia Marriages to 1800. Electronic transcription of marriage records held by the individual counties in Virginia.
SEE ALSO:
Name: Abel Carpenter
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Marriage Date: 25 Mar 1794
Marriage Place: Fauquier, Virginia
Spouse:
Mary Hayes
FHL Film Number: 31633
Reference ID: 418
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Virginia, U.S., Select Marriages, 1785-1940 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc, 2014.
Original data: Virginia, Marriages, 1785-1940. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.MARRIAGE: 1800 - ??
Name: Abel Carpenter
Gender: Male
Spouse's Name: Mary Hays
Spouse Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 9 Dec 1800
Marriage Place: Harrison County, West Virginia
Source Information
Ancestry.com. West Virginia, U.S., Marriages Index, 1785-1971 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011.
Original data:
"West Virginia Marriages, 1853–1970." Index. FamilySearch, Salt Lake City, Utah, 2008, 2009. Digital images of originals housed in County Courthouses in various counties throughout West Virginia. Marriage records.CENSUS: 1810 US Census
CENSUS: 1820 US Census
Name: Abel Carpenter
Home in 1820 (City, County, State): Liberty, Butler, Ohio
Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 15: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 18: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1 <--- b. 1775 or earlier
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 2
Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over: 1
Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture: 3
Free White Persons - Under 16: 5
Free White Persons - Over 25: 2
Total Free White Persons: 9
Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 9
Source Citation
1820 U S Census; Census Place: Liberty, Butler, Ohio; Page: 110; NARA Roll: M33_87; Image: 097
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1820 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fourth Census of the United States, 1820. (NARA microfilm publication M33, 142 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.CENSUS: 1830 US Census
Name: Abel Carpenter
Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Fountain, Indiana
Free White Persons - Males - 15 thru 19: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 20 thru 29: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 50 thru 59: 1 <--- b. abt 1771 to 1780
Free White Persons - Females - 15 thru 19: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 50 thru 59: 1
Free White Persons - Under 20: 2
Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 1
Total Free White Persons: 5
Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 5
Source Citation
Year: 1830; Census Place: Fountain, Indiana; Series: M19; Roll: 32; Page: 135; Family History Library Film: 0007721
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1830 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fifth Census of the United States, 1830. (NARA microfilm publication M19, 201 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.DEATH:
NOTE:
Probably of Harrison county, Ohio. But more likely of Harrison county, VANAME:
Son Benjamin has mother listed as Mary White per his 1900 Death certificate. Reporter was his son Daniel.PARENTS: MAYBE ...
Benjamin Hayes 1745–1776
Elizabeth Hughes 1745–1835
Number 8961 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 824.
Probably of Harrison county, Ohio. But more likely of Harrison county, VA
Number 8955 in The Carpenter Memorial on page 824.
Samuel married twice with only one child from his first marriage. His first
wife died about the time the child was born and he remarried a year later.New Jersey, Deaths and Burials Index, 1798-1971
Name: Samuel Carpenter
Birth Date: abt 1782
Death Date: 30 Nov 1874
Death Age: 92 years
Gender: Male
FHL Film Number: 1543968
Source Information:
Ancestry.com. New Jersey, Deaths and Burials Index, 1798-1971 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011.
Original data:
"New Jersey Deaths and Burials, 1720–1971." Index. FamilySearch, Salt Lake City, Utah, 2009, 2010. Index entries derived from digital copies of original and compiled records.
Her name is unknown, but one record indicates her name might be "Alice".
Per the Carpenter Memorial on page 824, Mary was the sister to the wife of
Gov. Joseph Johnson of Virginia.
Number 8956 in the Carpenter Memorial. See page 824.
Residence: Harrison County, Ohio then state changed to Harrison County, Virginia.MARRIAGE: 1794/1795 - maybe ...
Name: Sarah Radcliff
Gender: Female
Spouse's Name: John Carpenter
Spouse Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 6 Mar 1794
Marriage Place: Harrison County, West Virginia
Source Information
Ancestry.com. West Virginia, Marriages Index, 1785-1971 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011.
Original data:
"West Virginia Marriages, 1853–1970." Index. FamilySearch, Salt Lake City, Utah, 2008, 2009. Digital images of originals housed in County Courthouses in various counties throughout West Virginia. Marriage records.
SEE ALSO:
Name: Sarah Radcliff
Spouse: John Carpenter
Marriage Date: 3 Mar 1795
Marriage Location: Harrison County, Virginia
Source Information
Dodd, Jordan. Virginia, Marriages, 1660-1800 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1997.
Original data: Electronic transcription of marriage records held by the individual counties in Virginia.MARRIAGE: 1817
SEE images at:
http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_view2.aspx?FilmNumber=847274&ImageNumber=422 - This is the marriage license dated 20 Oct 1817.
http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_view2.aspx?FilmNumber=847273&ImageNumber=382 - This is the document indicating the marriage was done on 23 Oct 1817.
Name: John Carpenter
Age (Expanded):
Birth Year (Estimated):
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Woodward
Spouse's Age (Expanded):
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated):
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Oct 1817
Event Place: Harrison Co, West Virginia
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
GS Film number: 847273
Digital Folder Number: 4011517
Image Number: 382
Reference ID: v 2 p 60
Affiliate Repository Type: County Records
Citing this Record:
"West Virginia Marriages, 1780-1970," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRDV-46G : accessed 4 April 2016), John Carpenter and Elizabeth Woodward, 23 Oct 1817; citing Harrison Co, West Virginia, v 2 p 60, county clerks, West Virginia; FHL microfilm 847,273.
SEE ALSO:
Event Date: 23 Oct 1817
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04483-3
System Origin: West Virginia-EASy
GS Film number: 464944
Reference ID: p 18
Citing this Record:
"West Virginia Marriages, 1854-1932," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XR4V-F82 : accessed 4 April 2016), John Carpenter and Elizabeth Woodward, 23 Oct 1817; citing Harrison, West Virginia, reference p 18; FHL microfilm 464,944.
SEE ALSO:
Spouse's father: John Woodward
Event Date: 23 Oct 1817
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01504-4
System Origin: West Virginia-EASy
GS Film number: 250015
Reference ID: BII P18
Citing this Record:
"West Virginia Marriages, 1854-1932," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XRH4-Y4N : accessed 4 April 2016), John Carpenter and Elizabeth Woodward, 23 Oct 1817; citing Harrison, West Virginia, reference BII P18; FHL microfilm 250,015.
SEE ALSO:
Event Date: 20 Oct 1817
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00404-4
System Origin: WestVirginia-ODM
GS Film number: 163841
Reference ID:
Citing this Record:
"West Virginia Marriages, 1854-1932," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XRZ1-DYH : accessed 4 April 2016), John Carpenter and Elizabeth Woodward, 20 Oct 1817; citing Harrison, West Virginia, United States, reference ; FHL microfilm 163,841.
SEE ALSO:
Event Date: 20 Oct 1817
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00404-4
System Origin: West Virginia-EASy
GS Film number: 163841
Reference ID:
Citing this Record:
"West Virginia Marriages, 1854-1932," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XR48-DT1 : accessed 4 April 2016), John Carpenter and Elizabeth Woodward, 20 Oct 1817; citing Harrison, West Virginia, reference ; FHL microfilm 163,841.
SEE ALSO:
Event Date: 20 Oct 1817
GS Film number: 847274
Digital Folder Number: 4011518
Image Number: 422
Reference ID: v 3 p 170
Affiliate Repository Type: County Records
Citing this Record:
"West Virginia Marriages, 1780-1970," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR6S-WMT : accessed 4 April 2016), John Carpenter and Elizabeth Woodward, 20 Oct 1817; citing Harrison, West Virginia, v 3 p 170, county clerks, West Virginia; FHL microfilm 847,274.POSTMASTER: Jul 1832
Name: John Carpenter
Post Office Location: Bridgeport, Harrison, West Virginia
Volume #: 10
Volume Year Range: 1832-1844
Source Information
Ancestry.com. U.S., Appointments of U. S. Postmasters, 1832-1971 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. This collection was indexed by Ancestry World Archives Project contributors.
Original data: Record of Appointment of Postmasters, 1832-1971. NARA Microfilm Publication, M841, 145 rolls. Records of the Post Office Department, Record Group Number 28. Washington, D.C.: National Archives.
Don Ryan says he was postmaster until 1847. See also next.BOOK:
History of Harrison County, West Virginia: From the Early Days of Northwestern Virginia to the Present by Henry Haymond, Acme Publishing Company, 1910 - Harrison County (W. Va.) 451 pages.
https://ia801406.us.archive.org/28/items/historyofharriso00inhaym/historyofharriso00inhaym.pdf
Page 297: 1835 -- John Carpenter, P.M. of Bridgeport.
https://ia801406.us.archive.org/28/items/historyofharriso00inhaym/historyofharriso00inhaym.pdf
Page 344: Bridgeport - ... Among the early residents of the town he recalls Governor Joseph Johnson, Jedediah Goff, Charles Houser, Polly Anderson, William Black, Dr. David Davisson, Isaac Tyson and John Carpenter, Post Master.
https://ia801406.us.archive.org/28/items/historyofharriso00inhaym/historyofharriso00inhaym.pdf
Page 450: March 6, 1794 ..... John Carpenter and Sarah Radcliff.
NOTE: Is this John M. Carpenter or another John Carpenter? It is not the JC who married Sarah Bush in 1791.
https://ia801406.us.archive.org/28/items/historyofharriso00inhaym/historyofharriso00inhaym.pdf
Page 457: Index page for Carpenters.CENSUS: 1850 US Census
Name: John Carpenter
Age: 71
Birth Year: abt 1779
Birthplace: New Jersey
Home in 1850: District 21, Harrison, Virginia, USA
Gender: Male
Family Number: 900
Household Members:
Name Age
John Carpenter 71
Elizabeth Carpenter 58
Susan R Carpenter 20
Benjamin F Carpenter 28
Source Citation
Year: 1850; Census Place: District 21, Harrison, Virginia; Roll: M432_950; Page: 168A; Image: 342
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1850 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2009. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Seventh Census of the United States, 1850; (National Archives Microfilm Publication M432, 1009 rolls); Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29; National Archives, Washington, D.C.PRF: See also PRF in wife's notes.
John Carpenter
Spouse: Sarah Radcliff 1765 - (note: same parents as noted in wife's notes)
Marriage: 6 March 1794 Harrison Co. Virginia
Children: Samuel, Stephen, Susanna and Solomon given with some spouse and descendants.
CITING THIS RECORD
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, "Pedigree Resource File," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:S5GK-B99 : accessed 2016-04-04), entry for John /Carpenter/.
Parents: Maybe ...
John Woodward 1763-1824
Elizabeth 1756-1845
9599. Susanna R."Susan" Carpenter
Number 8965 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 825.
Not listed in the Carpenter Memorial, probably indicating she died before
Amos's survey.
PRF:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:SPXB-2LC
Sarah Radcliff
Father: William Radcliff 1744-1827
Mother: Deborah Hughes 1745-1813
Spouse: John Carpenter -
Marriage: 3 November 1795 Virginia
Children: none given
CITING THIS RECORD
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, "Pedigree Resource File," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:SPXB-2LC : accessed 2016-04-04), entry for Sarah /Radcliff/.
PARENT CONNECTION NOT CONFIRMED. Chester, PA is across the river from NJ.
Which parent, is correct is unknown. It is possible that neither are correct also. Parent Hiram is the most likely.CENSUS: 1830 US Census
Name: David Carpenter
Event Place: Stonelick, Clermont, Ohio
Page Number: 281
Affiliate Publication Number: M19
Affiliate Film Number: 128
GS Film number: 0337939
Digital Folder Number: 004093938
Image Number: 00561
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1830," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHGJ-5CK : accessed 07 Jan 2014), David Carpenter, 1830.CENSUS: 1840 US Census
Name: David Carpenter
Event Place: Stonelick, Clermont, Ohio
Page Number: 271
Affiliate Publication Number: M704
Affiliate Film Number: 384
GS Film number: 0020161
Digital Folder Number: 004410634
Image Number: 00548
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1840," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHTR-RVH : accessed 07 Jan 2014), David Carpenter, 1840.CENSUS: 1850 US Census - See image: RIN 142497 David Carpenter 1850.jpg
Name: David Carpenter
Event: Census
Event Date: 1850
Event Place: Stonelick, Clermont, Ohio, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 63
Marital Status:
Race (Original):
Race (Expanded):
Birthplace: New Jersey
Estimated Birth Year: 1787
Dwelling House Number: 624
Family Number: 624
Line Number: 3
NARA Publication Number: M432
NARA Roll Number: 667
Film Number: 20215
Digital Folder Number: 004191057
Image Number: 00608
Collection: United States Census, 1850
Household Gender Age
David Carpenter M 63
Margaret Carpenter F 58
William Carpenter M 24
Rachel Carpenter F 21
Colonel Carpenter M 20
Beaula Carpenter F 18
Elizabeth Carpenter F 15
Simon Carpenter M 6
Source Citation
"United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MX3L-G4W : accessed 6 April 2012), David Carpenter in household of David Carpenter (Stonelick, Clermont, Ohio, United States).CENSUS: 1860 US Census
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MCGR-774
Name: David Carpenter
Residence: , Clermont, Ohio
Ward: Stonelick Township
Age: 75 years
Estimated Birth Year: 1785
Birthplace: New Jersey
Gender: Male
Page: 147
Family Number: 1026
Film Number: 803945
DGS Number: 4304698
Image Number: 00228
NARA Number: M653
Collection: United States Census, 1860
Source Citation
"United States Census, 1860," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MCGR-774 : accessed 6 April 2012), David Carpenter (, Clermont, Ohio).DEATH:
Name: David Carpenter
Gender:
Burial Date:
Burial Place:
Death Date: 1863 ----> 1860
Death Place:
Age:
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Occupation:
Race:
Marital Status:
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00001-3
System Origin: Ohio-EASy
Source Film Number: 182715
Reference Number:
Collection: Ohio Deaths and Burials, 1854-1997
Source Citation
"Ohio Deaths and Burials, 1854-1997," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F68Q-N4F : accessed 6 April 2012), David Carpenter (1863).GRAVE:
Name: David Carpenter
Event Type: Burial
Event Date: 28 Dec 1860
Event Place: Stonelick, Clermont, Ohio, United States
Cemetery: Old Owensville
Birth Date:
Marriage Date:
Death Date: 28 Dec 1860
Maiden Name:
Latitude: 39.11792
Longitude: -84.13542
Affiliate Image Identifier: 5823316
Affiliate Create Date: 2013-11-08 19:15:00
Citing this Record:
"BillionGraves Index," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/2HTW-M5R : accessed 07 Jan 2014), David Carpenter, 28 Dec 1860.GRAVE:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=22107631
David Carpenter
Birth: unknown -----> image says he was 76 placing birth about 1784
Death: unknown ------> Dec 28, 1860 Burial: Boston Methodist Episcopal Church Cemetery Owensville (Clermont County) Clermont County Ohio, USA Created by: Shanna Nicole (inactive) Record added: Oct 11, 2007 Find A Grave Memorial# 22107631ON-LINE GENEALOGY:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/i/t/Nelda--Hitchens/GENE15-0001.html
Descendants of Richard Carpenter
vi.
DAVID CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1787, Virginia; m. MARGARET KELLY, February 02, 1808, Fleming County, Kentucky. Notes for DAVID CARPENTER: Marriage Bonds Fleming County, Kentucky 1798-1825 (Book #976.956 V28m Family Histor Center S.L.C.) Carpenter, David and Margaret Kelly, Richard Carpenter and James Kelly Bondsman. John Kelly, father. 2 February 1808. No return. (I, Nelda viewed 1998.) "On 10 Sept. 1814 in Fleming Co., Ky. David Carpenter and wife Margaret of Fleming County, KY appointed William Carpenter "brother" their attorney with Richard Carpenter witnessing (Y&Y); David appears in several other deeds too, but he does not appear in the Fleming County, KY censuses." (Note from C1)
GRAVE:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=22107635
Margaret Carpenter
Birth: unknown -------------------> Age 61 years = about 1789
Death: unknown -------------------> Sep. 15, 1850 Burial: Boston Methodist Episcopal Church Cemetery Owensville (Clermont County) Clermont County Ohio, USA Created by: Shanna Nicole (inactive) Record added: Oct 11, 2007 Find A Grave Memorial# 22107635
NOTE: Wife of David Carpenter - stones lie side by side.
MARRIAGE:
Name: Beal Harvey Burton
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Rachel Carpenter
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 18 Dec 1851
Event Place: Clermont,Ohio
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M51446-3
System Origin: Ohio-ODM
GS Film number: 0327561 V. 4-6
Reference ID:
Citing this Record:
"Ohio, Marriages, 1800-1958," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XDF8-QXK : accessed 07 Jan 2014), Beal Harvey Burton and Rachel Carpenter, 18 Dec 1851.
MARRIAGE:
Name: Colmel A. Carpenter
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Ann Thompson
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 02 Aug 1854
Event Place: Clermont,Ohio
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M51446-3
System Origin: Ohio-ODM
GS Film number: 0327561 V. 4-6
Reference ID:
Citing this Record:
"Ohio, Marriages, 1800-1958," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XDFD-VJT : accessed 07 Jan 2014), Colmel A. Carpenter and Ann Thompson, 02 Aug 1854.
MARRIAGE:
Name: John Needham
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Carpenter
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 03 Aug 1854
Event Place: Clermont,Ohio
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M51446-3
System Origin: Ohio-ODM
GS Film number: 0327561 V. 4-6
Reference ID:
Citing this Record:
"Ohio, Marriages, 1800-1958," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XDF8-NM1 : accessed 07 Jan 2014), John Needham and Elizabeth Carpenter, 03 Aug 1854.
DEATH:
Name: Simon Carpenter
Titles and Terms:
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 28 Dec 1926
Event Place: Union, Clermont, Ohio
Residence Place:
Address:
Gender: Male
Age: 82
Marital Status:
Race:
Occupation:
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Birth Year (Estimated): 1844
Burial Date:
Burial Place:
Cemetery:
Father's Name: Dont Know
Father's Titles and Terms:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name: Dont Know
Mother's Titles and Terms:
Mother's Birthplace:
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Carpenter
Spouse's Titles and Terms:
File Number: fn 72559
GS Film number: 1984616
Digital Folder Number: 004024315
Image Number: 03223
Citing this Record:
"Ohio, Deaths, 1908-1953," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XZLH-1GW : accessed 07 Jan 2014), Simon Carpenter, 28 Dec 1926; citing Union, Clermont, Ohio, reference fn 72559; FHL microfilm 1984616.
Number 8958 in the Carpenter Memorial. See page 824.
Number 8959 & 966 in the Carpenter Memorial. See page 160 & 824.
He settled in Gloucester County (VA not NJ) and had at least one son named John and 3
daughters per the CM.CENSUS: 1860 US Census - See image: RIN 9817 Martin William Carpenter 1860.jpg
MARRIAGE: 1814 - image
Name: Hannah Clark
Spouse's Name: William Carpenter
Marriage Date: 22 Dec 1814S
ource Information
Ancestry.com. Scioto County, Ohio, U.S., Marriage Records, 1803-1860 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2012. This collection was indexed by Ancestry World Archives Project contributors.
Original data:
Shoemaker, Caryn R. F., and Betty J. Sisler Rudity, compilers. Marriage Records of Scioto County, Ohio, 1803–1860. 1987. Reprint, Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co Inc., 2003.
NOTE: per image
Carpenter, William & Hannah Clark. m. 22 dec. 1814. R, A-347
LOCATION: Hanging Rock, MO - unknown location.
NOTE:
This is NOT John Carpenter (RIN 20909) Number 873 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 151.
While this Carpenter line is a Rehoboth (Group 3) line based on descendant Y-DNA testing it has unique DYS markers. This descendant line has a common DYS448=21 and DYS576=19.RESEARCH: Further research efforts are underway trying to confirm the ancestry of this John Carpenter. We know he is a descendant of Hope Carpenter RIN 12716.
BIRTH: NY or NJ?
Speculated NY based upon ... From Cyclopedia of Mon, Marion and Taylor counties page 124 marion county section regarding John Harr John M. Harr was born in Booth's Creek district Taylor county November 15 1839 He is a son of Richard and Lurana (Carpenter) Harr. Richard Hall was born in Marion County, 1808. Worked extensively in Taylor County. He married Lurana, a daughter of JOHN CARPENTER, formerly of Long Island, New York but a resident and citizen of Marion county at the time of the marriage.
Jeff Carpenter comments:
This [the above] is about as tertiary of a source as you could find. Also, it was Monongalia not Marion county at the time of the marriage....but it was all that I had. He very well could have been born in NJ then moved to NY prior to working his way to WV through PA. Or, Lurana may just have been referring to the source of the Carpenters as she understood it (Jamaica, NY).ARTICLE: "Carpenters of the South," by Terry L. Carpenter, e-mail 1999: diluvius@flash.net, FHL 929.273 C225 ctl, chapter entitled "John Carpenter of Monongalia and Marion Counties, West Virginia", pages 1-4, published in 1990: "John Carpenter was born c1765 in NY or NJ and died c1827 in VA (DARM: 63, 560). He was possibly descended from John....... This John Carpenter's father, John Carpenter, was born c1710-1750 (probably around 1740), married Anna ---, and was a native of NY according to GSM (Goldie Sweet Martin, "Those Martins of Ours, and Some Related Families," Portland, Oregon 1979.) He could be a son of John and Mary (Drivers) Carpenter. There is strong evidence of some type of connection in the family names of descendants, but more research is needed. John Carpenter of Monongalia Cny VA married Nancy Miller c 1785 (GSM)." Their children listed. See C-3, #1, pages 1-4.
ARTICLE: "Some Martin Cousins", Goldie Sweet Martin and Dorothy Martin Bayless, 1979, pages 222-224: "Carpenter, John, Sr. (John 1 to Long Island 1700 and Anna) married Nancy Miller." Eight of their children and their spouses given. See M-17.
NOTE: Data submitted 19 Jun 1979 from Mary B. Carpenter, Star Route 6, Box 198, Lewisburg, W.Va, 24901.AF: Ancestral File, 1998 Edition submitted in 1997 by Donald and Judith Brothers, HC33, Box 1176, Boise, ID 83706. "John Carpenter, b. 1765, NY, fa. John Carpenter, mo. Anna, sp. Nancy Miller" Children given as: "John M., Prudence Lucy, Ashman, Mary, David G., Jane, Lorenna, Rowena, Elizabeth, Nancy Ann and Elmira." Only John M. has spouses given. [In 1999 Jan wrote to the Brothers, but did not hear back.]
MORE:
Was John married twice, first to Nancy Miller and second to Ann ---? If so, it would appear that the first children are Nancy's and the later children Ann's. See notes of the children, especially Lucy Prudence, Lorenna/Lurana, etc. See also C-3, #3, a copy of the 1993 Ancestral File submission of John Carpenter and Sarah Mary Driver. It would appear that their son John was born in 1747 in Gloucester, NJ. Further, it would seem unlikely, based on his birth date, that he could be this John.MIGRATION PATTERNS: Robert M. Hershman reported via e-mail on 28 Apr 1998 that many of the lines he has researched "came to central WV from either NY or NJ. The migration pattern included their stopping for a period in Hampshire, Hardy County, WV or Frederick Co., MD."
NOTE: Does this appy to this Carpenter family?CARPENTER-MILLER CONNECTION - see wife Ann Miller's notes.
AND:
The following notes are from Patty Carpenter Helms, 1998: "John died in 1827 believed to be in Monongalia County, VA. His daughters were married in Monongalia County, and he is listed in the 1810, 1820 Monongalia census. He is also listed in the Virginia Tax records. NOTE: John bought property with William Miller on Siscoe's Run [1805]. Is William Miller a brother-in-law?SPOUSE:
Wives may have been of NY or VA? Ann is a confirmed spouse. Miller or Mueller for maiden name?
Jeff Carpenter wrote:
Actually, Ann Miller (if she is of the Palatine Mueller family) was born in NJ as well and only moved to NY later if I am remembering correctly. ...COMMENT: An example of possibles found.
POSSIBLE ANCESTORS: On 9 July 2000, Paul Shroyer sent a five page report with Carpenter descendants. John Carpenter, below, was given as "Generation No. 16", with the following ancestors. See Jan Hornick's "Gen - Carpenter Descendants - Paul Shroyer - July 2000" in her Word file, along with a Gen Forum discussion of William Carpenter, born 1605, Generation 11.
"JOHN16 CARPENTER II (JOHN15, JOHN14, CAPT. HOPE13, CAPT. JOHN12, WILLIAM BATT11, WILLIAM10, WILLIAM9, WILLIAM8, JOHN7, JAMES6, WILLIAM5, JOHN4, JOHN3, RICHARD2, JOHN1) was born Abt. 1762 in Long Island N.Y., and died Bef. 1827 in Marion Co. W.Va.. He married NANCY ANNA MILLER Abt. 1785. She was born Abt. 1767 in Marion Co. W.Va.."CENSUS: 1790 US Census - WHERE? Larry provides ...
(a) 1790 New York (Warwick, Orange County) Census: the record indicates John Carpenter resided in Warrick; the household included 2 males (1 under 16 years of age) and 2 females ... our family records indicate that in 1790 John was married to Anne Miller and they had a 3-year old boy (John S) and a 1-year old girl (Jane)
Our family records also indicate that the family migrated to (W)Va after 1785 marriage of John and Anne, and after the birth of John S in 1787; our records indicate that John S and his sister were born in NY
It might just be coincidence, but our family records match the Warwick Census.
JRC adds...
Name: John Carpenter
Home in 1790 (City, County, State): Warwick, Orange, New York
Free White Persons - Males - Under 16: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 16 and over: 2
Free White Persons - Females: 2
Number of Household Members: 5
Source Citation
Year: 1790; Census Place: Warwick, Orange, New York; Series: M637; Roll: 6; Page: 393; Image: 345; Family History Library Film: 0568146
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1790 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: First Census of the United States, 1790 (NARA microfilm publication M637, 12 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.CENSUS: 1800 US Census - WHERE? Larry provides ...
(b) Jeff provide Randall and me with a copy of the 1900 (typo should be 1800) US Census Record for Franklin, Greene County PA; the information in the census matches the number in household that is a good match to what our Family Records, i.e., Males: 1 that was10-16 (John S was 13); 1 26-44 (John was 40); Female: 1 between 26-44 (Nancy 35); and 4 females under 10 (Mary, Prudence, Elizabeth, Ashman) ... Franklin, Greene County is about 15 north of the WV-PA border; it is about 30 miles from Fairmont where John (124706) raised his family ... I visited the courthouse and genealogy society ... Waynesburg was created in 1896 ... the PA Septennial Census and the 1900 (typo should be 1800) Federal Census were reviewed ... but, in reviewing the land records John (124706) was not found to be a land owner ... thus, our belief is that John and his family were either in the process of migrating or for some reason they were temporarily located in Franklin PA
(c) We have land records that John and Anne owned property in Union District in the Fairmont WV area ... however, the records do not show how he acquired the property ... the records we have show how his farm was sold after his death in 1827; the records clearly show that land was owned by John and Anne Carpenter ... FYI: Timothy's father resides on a portion of John's original farm; and Timothy is a minister for the church located in the area where John and Anne resided.LAND: 1801
See document RIN 124706 John Carpenter.doc under Books, Article & Such in the sub-folder named RIN 124706 John Carpenter.
John Carpenter in Monongalia County is 1801 (Patty Helms may have a 1799 property purchase by him….I don’t) and reads as follows from the old deed books-OS 2 page 383 - James and Dorothy Dunn to Joseph Kratzer. 56 acres on water of Buffelow, south end of tract Dunn now lives on, adjoining John Magee, William Miller and John Carpenter. (I think this land is actually on the east side but by the wording should be on the west) In the next year or so he buys land on the east side of the Monongahela So the timing fits for both Ann being in Virginia upwards of 40 years and that Thomas S. Haymond knowing Ann for upwards of 40 years in the 1845 affidavit.LAND: 1805
RichardCLarson@aol.com wrote 29 July 2005: There "is a purchase in Monongalia County for land in 1805 by John Carpenter on Pricketts creek from William Miller. Cisoes run.
Larry confirms this in an email on 21 Feb 2018.
Larry went to the Monongalia County Records room focusing on Tax Records, Land Records, and Survey Records for time period around 1800-1830 ... This time, I was able to find John Carpenter living in Prickett's Fort area and paying land taxes for 1806, 1807, and 1808 ... there was a lapse of time before he showed up again in the years 1817, 1818, 1819, and 1820 ... and, in 1824, his son John Jr. shows up in the tax records.TAX:
Patty Carpenter Helms, 1998: [John] is also listed in the Virginia Tax records.
NEED TO FIND. See LAND 1805 Larry Carpenter's email info.CENSUS: 1810 US Census - remember there are 2 Johns - father & son!
Name: Jno Carpenter [John Carpenter]
Home in 1810 (City, County, State): Monongalia, Virginia
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 2 ----> b. 1765 or before - who is the other male? The father John!
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 2
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 4
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over : 1
Number of Household Members Under 16: 8
Number of Household Members Over 25: 3
Number of Household Members: 12
Source Citation
Year: 1810; Census Place: Monongalia, Virginia; Roll: 69; Page: 488; Image: 00780; Family History Library Film: 0181429
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1810 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Third Census of the United States, 1810. (NARA microfilm publication M252, 71 rolls). Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
NOTE:
The 1810 Census indicates another son, probably born in the late 1700's, according to information found in that census by Patty [Carpenter] Helms, April 1998. This would explain the gap around 1790-1793.
MORE: Likey by Patty?
In 1810 there were 9 children listed as living in the household; it lists 2 males under the age of 10 which would account for David born 1803, Ashman born 1801; 1 male age 16-26 not sure of who this could. Is there another brother not accounted for? 2 males age 45 & up, one is John the father, who is the other? 2 females under the age of 10 which is probably Rhoanna and Lurenna and Phoebe; 4 females ages 10-16.CENSUS: 1820 US Census
Name: John Carpenter
Home in 1820 (City, County, State): Eastern Division, Monongalia, Virginia
Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 18: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 2
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over : 1 <---- b. bef 1775
Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture: 3
Free White Persons - Under 16: 3
Free White Persons - Over 25: 2
Total Free White Persons: 8
Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 8
Source Citation
1820 U S Census; Census Place: Eastern Division, Monongalia, Virginia; Page: 66; NARA Roll: M33_142; Image: 127
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1820 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fourth Census of the United States, 1820. (NARA microfilm publication M33, 142 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.DEATH: now estimated as being about June or July 1826
Death bef 26 April 1828 probate date per Jeff Carpenter in his excellent document.
See document RIN 124706 John Carpenter.doc under Books, Article & Such in the sub-folder named RIN 124706 John Carpenter.
and ...
Died bef 1837 in present day Monongalia County WV per Randall Carpenter in Feb 2015. No proof given. Unproven.
and ...
INVENTORY: See Notebook II, page 40 - Information on a John Carpenter, Inv. 7-13-1826 and Sale Bill 10-21-1826. See original records - See ESTATE: below.
NOTE: Inventory usually done after death. IE before 13 Jul 1826. - See ESTATE below.
and ...
Marriage Bonds of Monongalia County, which were extracted in the D.A.R. Magazine from 1928-1932. The Marriage Bond for Rhuanna Carpenter and William Barnes, dated March 5, 1826, lists John Carpenter as the father of the bride. However, the Marriage Bond for Lurenna Carpenter and Richard Harr, dated October 23, 1827, lists “John Carpenter, dec” as the father of the bride. If these transcriptions are accurate, they would imply that John Carpenter died in Monongalia County sometime between March 5, 1826 and July 13, 1826. Submitted by Bill Carpenter aka "William Carpenter"ESTATE:
See document Estate of John Carpenter-124706 under Books, Article & Such in the folder named RIN 124706 John Carpenter then sub-folder John Carpenter Estate. This has 12 images and a text report prepared by William "Bill" Carpenter < wwcarpenter@msn.com >
on 15 Apr 2016.LAND: 1828
See document RIN 185324 John Carpenter.doc under Books, Article & Such in the sub-folder named RIN 185324 John Carpenter. This has the image within.
Partial transcript of 1828 Land Sale Heirs of John Carpenter
This indenture made the 26th day of April in the year of our Lord one Thousand eight hundred and twenty eight between George Martin and Prudence his wife william Baker and Elizabeth his wife David Carpenter and Sarah his wife Ashman Carpenter and Emily his wife Richard Harr and Lureigner his wife Phebe Carpenter and Ann Carpenter of the County of Monongalia and State of Virginia of the one part and Jacob V Hickman of the county and state aforesaid of the other part witneseth that the said George Martin and Prudence his wife William Baker and Elizabeth his wife David Carpenter and Sarah his wife Ashman Carpenter and Emily his wife Richard Harr and Lureigner his wife Phebe Carpenter and Ann Carpenter the widow of the late John Carpenter hath for and in consideration of ….
David Knows a Good Thing when he sees it: Stays in Virginia after his Dad’s death while the rest of the family journeys on to Richland County Ohio.
See document noted above which has an image of the plat map - notice Thomas S. Haymond was their neighbor.LAND: 1830 Deed
Descendant Gary Baker, garyb@strategic.com, wrote 26 Apr 2002: "Also found a Monongalia Co. deed dated March 1830 from John Carpenter heirs (11 of them) including William Baker and wife Elizabeth selling Pricket Creek property to Ebenezer Graham. There were other parcels sold by John Carpenter heirs in 1839 as well. I think this resolves my question about where William's sons got money to buy 150 Ac. while in their 20's. in the 1840's - [from] mom [of] Elizabeth (Carpenter)."E-MAIL:
Attachment, See document RIN 124706 John Carpenter.doc under Books, Article & Such in the sub-folder named RIN 124706 John Carpenter.
From: Carpenter, Jeffrey mailto:jcarpenter@hsc.wvu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 11:00 PM
To: John R Carpenter mailto:jrcrin001@cox.net> ; Larry.carpenter@yahoo.com mailto:Larry.carpenter@yahoo.com> ; wvjcarp@yahoo.com mailto:wvjcarp@yahoo.com> ; John 00 Chandler mailto:john.chandler@alum.mit.edu> ; Terry 00 Carpenter mailto:diluvius@yahoo.com>
Cc: carpenter114@comcast.net mailto:carpenter114@comcast.net> ; Msweeney1104@hotmail.com mailto:Msweeney1104@hotmail.com> ; rcarpenter69@yahoo.com mailto:rcarpenter69@yahoo.com> ; analytix@valley.net mailto:analytix@valley.net> ;
Subject: Re: Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project - part of Group 3 - an oddity, a lineage problem & a possible solution
Hey John R Carpenter (and others),
The preponderance of the evidence suggests that Ann or Anna is the mother of David G and Ashman (they had many other siblings as well but only these matter for this discussion) and this is detailed in the attached word document. Who John Carpenter’s (b approx 1764 NY) father is … is the real question. The genetics suggest his father was Ashman #21897 or a sibling of #21897. That gives a couple of generations to develop the DYS448=21 and DYS576=19 deviations that match with FTDNA #258429 and #37035 (and clearly do not match with the Samuel #3341 or John #12521 lines). Just missing the tie in (damn revolutionary war). Is FTD#471861 going to be added to the project or does his info come from another source?
I don’t think the John M theory will pan out but I appreciate everyone’s help.
Thanks
Jeff
Jeffrey S. Carpenter, M.D. Professor of Radiology, Neurology and Neurosurgery West Virginia University School of MedicineE-MAIL:
From: Larry Carpenter
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:41 PM
To: John R. Carpenter
Cc: John 00 Chandler ; Terry 00 Carpenter ; Jeffrey Carpenter ; Randall Carpenter
Subject: Re: Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project - 798469 - released signed! - Group 3 (3a?) revisit?
John: results for 798469 (Tim) were as expected ... thanks for your email, attachments, and thoughts ... I added Randall to this email chain ... over the past year or so we did expend some effort to track down John (124706) ... the following is a summary of my activities; Jeff and Randall can chime in ... but, I think we are at a dead end street and in need of some help ... previously:
1) Randall relayed to Jeff and me that he had contacted and forwarded some info to Glen Norman Carpenter ... Glen lives in Fairmont WV which is where Jeff and I grew up ... as my wife and I were and still are care-giving for parents in Fairmont I took on the task to connect with Glen ... although I visited his home and ultimately talked with him on the telephone; he was not a real cooperative individual ... flashing forward about a 15 months and I ran into Glen's son Timothy (798469) at the hospital as I was visiting my first cousin who was fighting lung cancer; Timothy is a country minister in Fairmont and was also visiting my first cousin ... Tim and I had several conversations, I provided him some paper copies of information, and collectively determined that he was not only my cousin but the cousin of the young woman that he was visiting in the hospital ... thanks to Jeff for providing the DNA kit ... and, thanks to Tim for agreeing to take the test ... Jeff, Tim, Randall and I are direct descendants of John (124706) ... we have shared family history; and, we all can tie ourselves back to John (124706) ... Tim and his family believe the 1950s family history developed by a local lawyer that we descended from 3 Carpenter brothers who migrated to New York; one going to Fort Pitt, one to North Carolina, and one to the Virginia salt works ... Jeff and I have the same information, but abandon that thought as we became involved in the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA project
2) Jeff relayed to Randall and me some records he had uncovered; both appeared to fit John (124706) and his family ... the records are:
(a) 1790 New York (Warwick, Orange County) Census: the record indicates John Carpenter resided in Warrick; the household included 2 males (1 under 16 years of age) and 2 females ... our family records indicate that in 1790 John was married to Anne Miller and they had a 3-year old boy (John S) and a 1-year old girl (Jane)
Our family records also indicate that the family migrated to (W)Va after 1785 marriage of John and Anne, and after the birth of John S in 1787; our records indicate that John S and his sister were born in NY
It might just be coincidence, but our family records match the Warwick Census
(b) Jeff provide Randall and me with a copy of the 1900 US Census Record for Franklin, Greene County PA; the information in the census matches the number in household that is a good match to what our Family Records, i.e., Males: 1 that was10-16 (John S was 13); 1 26-44 (John was 40); Female: 1 between 26-44 (Nancy 35); and 4 females under 10 (Mary, Prudence, Elizabeth, Ashman) ... Franklin, Greene County is about 15 north of the WV-PA border; it is about 30 miles from Fairmont where John (124706) raised his family ... I visited the courthouse and genealogy society ... Waynesburg was created in 1896 ... the PA Septennial Census and the 1900 Federal Census were reviewed ... but, in reviewing the land records John (124706) was not found to be a land owner ... thus, our belief is that John and his family were either in the process of migrating or for some reason they were temporarily located in Franklin PA
(c) We have land records that John and Anne owned property in Union District in the Fairmont WV area ... however, the records do not show how he acquired the property ... the records we have show how his farm was sold after his death in 1827; the records clearly show that land was owned by John and Anne Carpenter ... FYI: Timothy's father resides on a portion of John's original farm; and Timothy is a minister for the church located in the area where John and Anne resided .
(d) NEW: Additional piece of information that Jeff passed on to us was a Revolutionary War Application by Peter Miller ... on page in which Anne Carpenter (John 124706) provided information to support a petition to provide Mary with a pension; Mary was the wife of Peter Miller ... and, in that record it is clear that Mary and Anne were sisters ... Anne's statement indicates she was present when Peter and Mary were married in 1785 in Goshen, Orange, New York
In tracking down Peter and Mary ancestry; they had 14 children; the first 7 were born in New York; the remaining 7 children were born in (W)Va ... the last child to be born in NY was Henry on December 23, 1793 ... the next child (Eleanor) was born in (W)Va in July 16, 1795 ... Land records indicate that Peter purchased 348 acres in Fairmont on June 14, 1796 ...
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And, with that we are stuck in time ... all of our records indicate John (124706) was born in Long Island, New York ... as for who his parents are or when and how he migrated to Fairmont WV is a mystery; we have pieces of information, but some is in conflict (e.g., being in Franklin PA in 1800 begs the question as to the accuracy of records for four of his children that indicate they were born in VA, family belief is that the family migrated to (W)Va after Jane was born in 1789 but before Mary was born in 1794) .
At this point I am open to any suggestions as to how to eliminate the "?" and connect Hope (12716) and John (124706) LarryE-MAIL:
From: Larry Carpenter
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 4:22 AM
To: John R. Carpenter ; Lori Frederick ; Jeffrey Carpenter ; Randall Carpenter ; Terry 00 Carpenter
Cc: John 00 Chandler
Subject: Re: Thoughts to JRC 3 Johns ... and, info on Tax Records .. LKC Follow-Up
All: My grandchildren commitments to help watch, transport to/from school, etc. takes up most of my time during the weekdays; however, I do have a couple of 5 hour periods where I plan to dedicate several hours over the next few months towards trying to bring as much light to 124706 as possible ... and, once we are into the summer months I will have more time ... my personal plan:
A) as time becomes available, I will slip down to the Monongalia County Courthouse (10 min drive) to look at the late 1700 early 1800 records (deeds, land records, survey records, probate, etc.) ... every so often I will upload to copies of records to the dropbox created by JRC
B) I will make contact with the genealogical society of Marion County (final destination and place of burial of 124706) ... this county was created after the death of 124706; most of the records prior to 1842 are located in the county I live in, i.e., Monongalia County ... however, I may be able to find a few nuggets of information
C) I will attempt to find at least one additional descendant of Hope (12716) and one additional descendant of John (124706) ... once found, I will commit to sponsor at least two of the individuals to a Y-DNA test ... hopefully, the information will help us better understand where 124706 fits
Wish me luck ... progress will probably be slow ... but, I am a persistent person . LarryE-MAIL:
From: Larry Carpenter
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 5:45 AM
To: Jeffrey Carpenter ; Randall Carpenter ; R. L. Robe ; Lori Frederick
Cc: John R. Carpenter ; Terry 00 Carpenter
Subject: Follow-up on John (C#124706)
John & Terry: no action, copied you to simply let you know we are still working … but, progress is slow
Jeff, Randall, Lori, and Ron (and if you can, please provide a copy of the attached to Tim): About a year ago we circulated some emails with some new thoughts and theories … off and on over the past year I have made several trips to the Mon County court house records room, the Greene County records room and the Marion County and Greene County Genealogy rooms … I have spent numerous hours on the computer … sorry to say I do not have a lot to report back to you … however, I have and am in the process to reduce my notes into electronic booklets … attached is the first booklet which looks at John (C#124706) ancestry, a subsequent book will look into his life as it may have unfolded.
I have in my notes a lot of information I will eventually share with you about John (C#124706) post 1800, i.e., records of land, taxes, etc. … I am in the process of transferring that information to an electronic file and forwarding to you … but, do not hold your breath as it may take me a couple of months before I find enough free time to pull it together
With respect to pre-1800 information, sad to report but I have not found a lot of additional information … I have tried to reach out to other sons of Hope (e.g., Hope or John descendants) to see if I could encourage and/or pay for a Y-DNA test to expand the database; counting Hezekiah there are 14 grandson and as you work you way down there are dead-ends and also a large number of possibilities … attached is a document that I pulled together over the last few weeks to reduce to writing the information I currently have … at this point I am at an standstill … hopefully, the information in the attached provides you with some new pieces of the puzzle and somewhat captures family stories we have all heard so many times from our elders
If you have any thoughts to correct or enhance the attached, then drop me a note or give me a call, and I will try to make adjustments … otherwise, simply place the attached in your files and folder of thoughts … as for me, for the time being I will turn my attention to developing a similar document about John (C#124706) as his life unfolded in north central WV in the early 1800s.
The attached is a PDF file; it is structured in a mirror format to allow for front to back printing ... if anyone wants the Word file in order to copy/enhance wording or save the digitized attachments to your computer, then drop me a note … or if you simply want the digitized copy of any of the attachments sent to you in a separate file, then simply drop me a note.
Larry
NOTE: See the pdf file in the folder RIN 124706 John Carpenter WV entitled:
John-Carpenter-Ancestral Booklet-01-16Aug2019.pdf