CENSUS: 1850 US Census - See image: RIN 131547 Nelson Carpenter 1850 ... jpg
Name: Nelson Carpenter
Census place: Nettie (Nettle?) Creek, Grundy, Illinois
Age: 34 year
Estimated birth year: 1817
Birthplace: New York
Gender: Male
Race or color (on document):
Race or color (expanded):
Death month:
Death date:
Film number: 7681
Digital GS number: 4193357
Image number: 00342
Reference number: 39
Dwelling: 25
Household id: 26
Marital status:
Free or slave:
Collection: United States Census, 1850
Source: IGI which references Bible Records - but no other details given.
CENSUS: 1850 US Census - See image: RIN 131531 James Carpenter 1850 ... jpg
Name: James E Carpenter (Single and no other Carpenters on the page)
Census place: Jersey county, Jersey, Illinois
Age: 20 years
Estimated birth year: 1830
Birthplace: New York
Gender: Male
Race or color (on document):
Race or color (expanded):
Death month:
Death date:
Film number: 7684
Digital GS number: 4193360
Image number: 00142
Reference number: 36
Dwelling: 39
Household id: 39
Marital status:
Free or slave:
Collection: United States Census, 1850CENSUS: 1860 US Census - 4 possibles ...
1)
Name: James H Carpenter
Age in 1860: 29
Birth Year: abt 1831
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1860: Township 21 N Range 8 E, Champaign, Illinois
Gender: Male
Post Office: Rantoul
Household Members: Name Age
John Odell 25
Georgiana Odell 25
James H Carpenter 29
Stephen R Freerks 232)
Name: James W Carpenter
Age in 1860: 29
Birth Year: abt 1831
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1860: Buffalo, Ogle, Illinois
Gender: Male
Post Office: Polo
Household Members: Name Age
L W Warner 38
S B Warner 26
Parkin Warner 6
Edward E Warner 4
James W Carpenter 29
Julia E Bogue 183)
Name: E S Carpenter
Age in 1860: 28
Birth Year: abt 1832
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1860: Bloomington Ward 3, McLean, Illinois
Gender: Male
Post Office: Bloomington
Household Members: Name Age
Cal H Parsons 73
Mary M Parsons 54
E S Carpenter 28
Mattie M Carpenter 194)
Name: James Carpenter
Age in 1860: 25
Birth Year: abt 1835
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1860: Middletown, Logan, Illinois
Gender: Male
Post Office: Middletown
Household Members: Name Age
Kate Caldwell 65
Jo Strant 14
Marion Lowman 12
Jno Bowyer 45
Henry Heusner 23
G W O Carpenter 30
James Carpenter 25CENSUS: 1870 US Census - See image: RIN 131531 James Carpenter 1870 ... jpg
NOTE: A Fannie Carpenter age 31 NY and a Henrietta age 9 NY are living with James.
NOTE: A Nathan B. Carpenter age 27 NY with wife Henrietta age 24 NY and a daughter Lucy age 2 IL are in the next family down the page.
Name: James Carpenter
Estimated birth year: 1829
Gender: Male
Age: 42
Race or color (expanded): White
Birthplace: NY
Residence: Illinois, United States
Collection: United States Census, 1870CENSUS: 1880 US Census - no image
CENSUS: 1880 US CENSUS - Brother names fit!
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
Jas. CARPENTER Self M Male W 53 NY Laborer CT NY
Mary CARPENTER Wife Female W 41 NY House Keeping NY NY Herbert CARPENTER Son SMale W 10 IL At School NY NY Frank CARPENTER Son S Male W 7 IL At School NY NY Charles CARPENTER Son S Male W 2 NY NY NY
Source Information:
Census Place Wilson, Niagara, New York
Family History Library Film 1254901
NA Film Number T9-0901
Page Number 420BCENSUS: 1892 NY Census - See image: RIN 131531 James Carpenter 1892 ... jpg
Name: James Carpenter
Birth date: 1828
Age in years: 64
Birthplace: United States
Gender: Male
Residence: Lockport City, Ward 03, E.D. 03, Niagara, New York
Citizen or Alien: Citizen
Film number: 0878329
Digital GS number: 4370019
Image number: 244
Collection: New York State Census, 1892
CENSUS: In 1870 US Census with parents.
CENSUS: 1880 US Census - not with parents.
CENSUS: 1850 US Census - See image: RIN 131554 David Carpenter 1850 ...jpg
AND ... see image: RIN 131554 David Carpenter 1850b ... jpg for likely children?
Name: David Carpenter
Census place: Oswego , Kendall, Illinois
Age: 33 years
Estimated birth year: 1817
Birthplace: Illinois
Gender: Male
Race or color (on document):
Race or color (expanded):
Death month:
Death date:
Film number: 7686
Digital GS number: 4193362
Image number: 00061
Reference number: 13
Dwelling: 68
Household id: 68
Marital status:
Free or slave:
Collection: United States Census, 1850
See also:
http://www.genealogytrails.com/ill/kendall/1850_oswego.htm
68/68 Josiah Ferris 49 M VT Mason; $800 Ester 34 F OH (Esther ?) Patience 14 F IL School Charity 12 F " School Ralph 7 M " School Benjamin 4 M " David Carpenter 33 M IL Mason
AND ...
158/158 John Pierce 33 M OH Farmer; $2000 Maryetta 27 F NY Marietta Manda Carpenter 14 F IL School Allice 5 F " School Orson 2 M "NOTE: IN the town of Bristol, Kendall county, IL we find the following person named Carpenter as a surname.
Unknown relationship if any.
http://www.genealogytrails.com/ill/kendall/1850_bristol.htm
128/116 Elisha Luther 29 M NY Farmer $800 Eliza 26 F PA Charles 5 M IL Carpenter 4 M " Martin 38 M OH Elizabeth 62 F R
Unable to prove any family relation with James.
CENSUS: 1870 US Census - See image: RIN 131536 Nathan B Carpenter 1870 ... jpg
See brother's notes.
Name: Nathan B Carpenter
Estimated birth year: 1843
Gender: Male
Age: 27y
Race or color (expanded): White
Birthplace: New York
Residence: Illinois, United States
Collection: United States Census, 1870
NOTE:
A descendent Y-DNA tested and matched to Group 3 at 37 markers. Then matched at 111 markers.QUESTION:
Who was his father? Where was he from?GENEALOGY: online genealogies
1)
http://carpenter-kring.freeservers.com/genealogy/carpenter/carp02.html
This one has Isaac as the father - nice drop down report plus other pages.
Narative and theories on Isaac on the following link:
http://carpenter-kring.freeservers.com/genealogy/carpenter/carp01.htmlMISC: Query
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NENUCKOL/2000-02/0950137471
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nenuckol/query003.htmNOTE: John was from Green, Ohio.
There is the city of Green in Summit County, Ohio
AND
Green Township is located in ... (per Wikipedia)
Green Township, Ohio may refer to the following places in the U.S. state of Ohio:
Green Township, Adams County, Ohio <--------- just south of Highland County
Green Township, Ashland County, Ohio
Green Township, Brown County, Ohio
Green Township, Clark County, Ohio
Green Township, Clinton County, Ohio
Green Township, Fayette County, Ohio
Green Township, Gallia County, Ohio
Green Township, Hamilton County, Ohio
Green Township, Harrison County, Ohio
Green Township, Hocking County, Ohio
Green Township, Mahoning County, Ohio
Green Township, Monroe County, Ohio
Green Township, Ross County, Ohio
Green Township, Scioto County, Ohio
Green Township, Shelby County, Ohio
Green Township, Wayne County, Ohio
See also
Green, Ohio, formerly Green Township, Summit County
Green Camp Township, Marion County, Ohio
Green Creek Township, Sandusky County, Ohio
Greene Township, Trumbull County, Ohio
Greenfield Township, Fairfield County, Ohio
Greenfield Township, Gallia County, Ohio
Greenfield Township, Huron County, Ohio
Greensburg Township, Putnam County, Ohio
Greenville Township, Darke County, Ohio
Greenwich Township, Huron County, OhioANCESTRY: compare
http://person.ancestry.com/tree/214483/person/-1759724488/facts
Ancestry Sources
1850 United States Federal Census - does not apply to this person
1860 United States Federal Census - does not apply to this person
1870 United States Federal Census - does not apply to this person.
Ancestry Family Trees <-------
Chester County, Pennsylvania Wills, 1713-1825 <--- Applies to John Worth Carpenter of Chester County, PA, whose father is William Carpenter.
Note: While some sources are given, they refer to children, at best. Closest source is WILL info and that is to another John Carpenter.
Parents
Isaac Carpenter 1790–1840 ?? - My guess is that this is just an AFT copy ... And this is a Group 2 lineage!!!
Mary Archer 1786–1858
Spouse & Children
Frances Ellen Garver 1809–1900
Elizabeth Jane Carpenter 1830–1892
Catherine Carpenter 1831–1913
Daniel Carpenter 1834–1912
John Jack Carpenter 1836–1903
John Carpenter 1837–1837
Rebecca Ann Adams 1841–1910
Elizabeth J Carpenter 1877–
Ellen Carpenter
------------------------------------UPDATE: 2020
Don Carpenter provides the following at:
http://carpenter-kring.freeservers.com/genealogy/carpenter/carp01.htmlJohn Carpenter, Frances Ellen (Fanny) Garver
John Carpenter (c. 1805-1810 – c. 1836/1837) m. Frances Ellen (Fanny) Garver (4 Dec 1809 - 23 Feb 1899)
Elizabeth Jane Carpenter (9 Sep 1830 - 3 Apr 1892) m. Isaac Thompson (7 May 1825 - 7 Jul 1859)
Catherine Carpenter (16 Sep 1832 - 11 Oct 1913) m. James Randall (19 May 1832 - 16 Feb 1899)
Daniel Carpenter (6 May 1834 - 5 May 1912) m. Emily Cook Edmonson (1 Jan 1835 - 13 May 1908
John (Jack) Carpenter (14 Feb 1836 - ) m. Ella RogersWhat We Know (revised 6 September 2020)
Family records (mostly compiled by Shirley Klann) indicate John Carpenter married Frances Ellen (Fanny) Garver from Mason County, KY. They reportedly lived in Greene Township, Brown County, OH, and had four children born in Highland County, OH. John died after their fourth child was born in 1836.
Fanny remarried Ephraim N. Adams on 22 March 1838. On 10 March 1840, Ephraim was named guardian of Fanny’s four Carpenter children and trustee over $400 from John Carpenter’s estate. Fanny, Ephraim, and children moved west, possibly spending time in Indiana or Illinois, and eventually settling in Kalona, Washington Co., IA. Fanny and Ephraim had six children of their own. Much is known about the descendants of Fanny Garver/Carpenter/Adams after the move to Iowa.
Records posted on MyHeritage.com on 12 December 2017 by James Benedict shows an extensive family tree for Fanny Garver, dating back to Ulrich Gerber (1433-1464) in Switzerland, who would be the 15th great grandfather of this researcher. The detail of those records encourages belief in their credibility. However, this researcher had not seen proof of those records. That family line is published on this website for the readers’ convenience (see the link given above). James Benedict’s record can be found at https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-1-140696191-34-1287/frances-ellen-garver-in-myheritage-family-trees)
Little is known about John Carpenter. There is an 1840 Guardian document that connects him to his four children and to Ephraim Adams, his widow’s new husband. That document is discussed below. Several researchers of this line have attempted to learn more about our John. Also below are explanations of several theories that provide possible paths for genealogical researchers to follow.
The Guardianship Document
The document for Ephraim Adams’s guardianship of the Carpenter children can be seen in Carpenter Descendants & Documents Picture Gallery on this website. The tenth line on that document lists three of the four children (Jane, Catherine, and Daniel). The eleventh line gives the fourth child, John, and reads “& John Carpenter minor heirs and legal representative of xxxx Carpenter.” For decades, genealogists of this Carpenter line interpreted the “xxxx” to be “Isaac.” However, on 5 September 2020, an experienced handwriting analyst disagreed, insisting the “xxxx” is “John,” not “Isaac.” It certainly makes sense that a guardianship document would also deal with the management of money from their father John’s estate rather than combining a guardianship document with gift from some Isaac Carpenter, who has long been assumed to be John’s father. Please examine the document and decide for yourself. Compare “John Carpenter” at the beginning of line eleven to “xxxx Carpenter” at the end of that line.On the back side of that guardianship document is a notation containing eight short lines. That side of the document can also be seen in the Carpenter Descendants & Documents Picture Gallery on this website. The first three lines, “Bond -- Carpenter Heirs -- Guardianship Bond,” are in one person’s handwriting that matches the handwriting on the main document. The last five lines, “Isaac Carpenter – Estate – Ephraim Adams – Gdn – 1840” are in a distinctly different person’s handwriting. Those lines could have been written at the same time as the first three lines, indicating that there is indeed an Isaac Carpenter who left money, probably to John Carpenter since the guardianship document specifies that John is the deceased. Conversely, those lines could have been added later by someone who misread “John Carpenter” on the main document and interpreted it as “Isaac Carpenter.”
Theory One (proven false by DNA tests and documentary evidence)
Many family trees on the internet indicate a connection between a John Carpenter, who matches our John Carpenter’s approximate birth year and locations, who married Frances Ellen Garver, and had a son Daniel, with a father, Isaac Carpenter. In turn, that Isaac is reported to be son of Gilbert Carpenter (1754-1820) who is connected to a well-documented line of Carpenters that descends from William Carpenter (c.1610-1685), who immigrated to Providence, Rhode Island Colony in 1635.HOWEVER, this researcher has thoroughly explored until arriving at three reasons to abandon it:
First, this researcher’s DNA test shows a relationship to William Carpenter (c.1605-1658/9) of Rehoboth, Plymouth Colony, NOT to William Carpenter of Providence, Rhode Island Colony. See Carpenter Cousins website to learn about those distinctly different lines. (https://www.carpentercousins.com/
Second, this researcher is convinced that the $400 entrusted to Ephraim Adams to care for John’s four children came from their father John Carpenter’s estate and not from any Isaac Carpenter, with notation about an Isaac Carpenter being added later. (See the discussion above about the guardianship document.)
Third, the Isaac Carpenter connected to Theory One reportedly died in 1812. He did have a son John A. Carpenter, who is named in Isaac’s will, along with Isaac’s daughter Susan. It is unlikely that this Isaac would have given the children of our John $400 in 1840, 28 years after his presumed death, which is the supposed connection between our John and any Isaac. In 1859, Isaac’s wife Mary’s will names their daughter Susan and Susan’s four children as heirs. There is no mention in Mary’s will of son John A. or of any children of John A. It is unlikely that Mary would have given $400 in deceased husband Isaac’s name in 1840 to four children of John Carpenter and then ignored them 19 years later in her own will. (Isaac’s and Mary’s wills are available from the Archives of Westchester County, New York).
The Isaac in this discussion is person # 762 on https://carpentercousins.com/wc-662-desc/aqwg31.htm#5062 . Those records match closely to Daniel Hoogland Carpenter’s History and Genealogy of the Carpenter Family in America: From the Settlement of Providence, R.I., 1637-1901.
Go to list of ancestors of Isaac Carpenter (c. 1780 – aft. 1812) of the line of William Carpenter (c. 1610-1685) of Providence, R.I. This is posted here only for reference for the disproven theory that our John is related to the William of Providence line of Carpenters.
Theory Two
Paul Thomas Mowrey is co-author with Terry Lee Carpenter of Update of the Genealogy of the New England Carpenter Family of English Origin: The Virginia/West Virginia Branch: Some Descendants of Joseph Carpenter, Pioneer of the Jackson River, privately published in 1997. In private correspondence with this researcher, Mr. Mowrey expressed the opinion that our Isaac Carpenter might have been one of the unaccounted sons of Solomon "The Outlaw" Carpenter of Braxton/Webster Counties of what is now West Virginia. Mr. Mowrey expressed that most of Solomon's sons probably went west and south into Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee.Solomon was born c. 1745-1750 and descends from William Carpenter (c.1605-1658/9) of Rehoboth, Plymouth Colony. This is the Carpenter line to which this researcher is connected, according to DNA tests. Supposedly, this Solomon's father was also named Solomon; his grandfather was Joseph, great-grandfather was Nathanial, gg-grandfather was Joseph, and ggg-grandfather was William.
There are many tales about Solomon. One has him, in 1756 at age 10, among five Carpenter children kidnapped by Indians in a raid on a Jackson River settlement and freed by the military in 1764. Another story has him deserting from the Revolutionary Army when the army reneged on a promise that he would be General George Washington's bodyguard at higher pay than most soldiers. Well-armed and hiding out in the mountains with as many as fifty others, they were recruited as an honorable fighting unit with full amnesty, after the government gave up trying to arrest them for desertion. There is also the story that Solomon made his livelihood on home-brew whiskey, which explains why there would not be many official records about him or his sons.
Much research is needed to prove Mr. Mowrey's theory, but it certainly is viable. Solomon's death would have come after the end of the Revolutionary War. Mr. Mowrey documents Solomon's son Jesse, who was born circa 1785 and died circa 1850 after fathering at least five children between circa 1815 and circa 1836. If the tale of Solomon's capture by Indians is true and Solomon was born in 1746, he would have been nearly forty when Jesse was born. Carpenter family tradition would have predicted more than one child for Solomon before the age of forty. Hence, Jesse or one of his missing siblings could be the grandfather or our John as late as circa 1810 in order for allow for John's first child's birth in 1830.
Research needs to be conducted using original documents in West Virginia and Ohio. This connection will be difficult to prove as there are two missing generations between this Solomon and our John.
Theory Three (refuted by DNA evidence and not supported by any known documented evidence)
This theory has been suggested by other researchers but is not likely viable due to contrary DNA evidence discussed above. However, it is discussed here as point of interest. There were three arguments that made this an interesting consideration.First, since Fanny Garver’s family surname was Anglicized from Gerber, it is possible John Carpenter’s family surname was also Anglicized from Zimmerman or Timmerman. Back in the 1990s there were three items that make this a plausible research avenue. First, there are well-documented cases of many Zimmermans who changed their names to Carpenter as they immigrated from Germany. Without any other records of origin, it would make sense that John and Fanny might have connected if they were both of fairly recent German or Swiss origin.
Second, this researcher's father, Philip Beryle Carpenter, recalls his father, Nathan Summers Carpenter, often mentioning that "Zimmerman is German for Carpenter," and having other possible connections to “the old country.” That could have been either a useless bit of trivia or a connection to his past. That thought was encouraged by a document, thought to be written in Low German and a connection to a German ancestry, that was found in Nathan Summers Carpenter’s records upon his death. It saved by his wife, Alice Mina Carpenter, who finally gave it to her daughter Aleta for safe keeping. Aletha passed in on to her sister Roxanna, who gave it to me, along with three notebooks of Carpenter records.
Upon translation in 1999, the document turns out to be written in Dutch. It is a certificate of a cow-pow vaccination on May 3, 1898 for a 9-year-old boy named Johan Magnus Klauson who was born in Krania and is the son of Jens, a worker. It explains about the red circle that should appear within 7-9 days around the point of injection to indicate that the inoculation worked. It also says that cow pox was injected to protect from children pox.
The only location named Krania that is revealed by a Google search, is in Greece. Krania is also the plural of cranium, which is Norwegian for skull. It is a mystery why Nathan Summers Carpenter had in his papers an 1898 Dutch cow pox vaccination certificate for a Greek boy. More importantly, it does not indicate any connection to German ancestry of this line of Carpenters.
Third, the choice by Fanny and her second husband, Ephraim Adams, to settle in Kalona, IA, could be coincidence or could be deliberate in order to associate with a community of people of common heritage. However, the family tree of Fanny Garver indicates her ancestor, Johan Christian Gerber immigrated to the colonies in 1738. Being of the fourth generation born in the United States, the notion of clustering with people with similar heritage is less likely. It is more likely that they moved to Kalona to be close to other Garver and Adams family who had already moved there.
Therefore, this researcher has abandoned this theory for two reasons. First and foremost, DNA tests have indicated this researcher is descended directly from William Carpenter who immigrated to Providence, Rhode Island in 1635 and not from German or Swiss ancestry. Second, this researcher has not seen any documentary evidence that would encourage further investigation.
Theory Four
Perhaps we have all overlooked some other connection to a different lineage for our John Carpenter.For example, in the William Carpenter of Rehoboth line, to which this researcher is connected by DNA evidence, there are at least 13 John Carpenters about whom very little is known except for a birth date between 1774 and 1814. That date range would have meant that John would have been between 16 and 50 when his first child Elizabeth was born in 1830, making it possible for any one of those Johns to be our John.
On the carpentercousins.com website those 13 Johns are:
· #5898, born about 1798 in Fitchburg, Worchester, MA;
· #2031, 1774, Providence, RI;
· #15902, in 1796, Jamaica, Long Island, NY;
· #3323, about 1782, New York City, probably a ship carpenter in NY Directory of 1811 (an unlikely match);
· #7532, 21 Dec 1793, Saratoga, Monroe, NY;
· #4086, in 1803/1804, NY;
· #8174, about 1804, Milton, Chittenden, NY;
· #8145, 14 July 1795, Waterboro, York, ME;
· #8032, about 1802, in VA or OH?; [Investigated beginning in Sep 2020. See sub-theory below.]
· #3748, 9 Feb 1812, Elizabeth, Union, NJ, married and moved to Marengo, OH (an unlikely match);
· #12141, about 1805, Providence, RI;
· #7998, about 1798, siblings were born in RI;
· #8116, about 1793, siblings were born in ME.
In that year range, there are also many other John Carpenters who are listed with middle names. Since our John was never mentioned with a middle name, those additional Johns will be investigated later, as necessary.
Since the traditional date range in our family’s oral history for our John’s birth is 1800-1805, this researcher will begin with those John’s from the above list that were born in that range.
If any visitors to this website have information that would connect any of the above listed Johns to our family or eliminate any of them from consideration, or if you have any other clues, please contact this researcher by email, donaldacarpenter@yahoo.com. Thank you.
Theory Four, sub-theory that John #8032 may be our John
Positive indicators include:
· According to the CarpenterCousins.com website, John #8032 is a direct descendant of William Carpenter (c.1605-1658/9) of Rehoboth, Plymouth Colony, to whom this research is connected by DNA.· John #8032 was born in 1802; my family’s oral tradition says our John was born between 1800 and 1805 in Ohio or Indiana.
· John #8032 had at least three siblings who died in Indiana: Elias (1797-1860) in Kosciusko County, Elizabeth (1804/1810-1891) in Kosciusko County, and Amy (1814-1848) in Elkhart County.
· Although a weak indicator, John #8032’s family might have moved to that part of Indiana at some point in this John’s youth. A somewhat stronger indicator is that this John’s father John died in Goshen, Elkhart County, IN in 1855. Much stronger evidence is that a John and Sarah are in 1830, 1840, and 1850 Census in Elkhart County, IN with adult and children ages that match John #8032’s parents and some of his siblings.
· The following entries are taken from History of Elkhart County, Indiana, Together with Sketches of its Cities … and Biographies of Representative Citizens published in 1881 by Chas. C. Chapman & Co. (page numbers indicated). They provide circumstantial evidence but not proof.
o In 1830, “The first grist-mill was commenced in this vicinity , if not in the county, by John Carpenter, Sr., on the south bank of Rock run, near where the present lower bridge crosses that stream ; and notwithstanding that the burrs that were used in this mill were of native growth, they cracked corn pretty lively, and ground wheat as fast as a boy could bolt the flour, by doing 'circular work ' at the end of a large wheel on the shaft of the bolt. This mill was of great convenience to the whole neighborhood and county, for prior to this time what few grists there were to be ground had to be carried to Mr. Lacy’s mill, on the Dowagiac, a short distance below Niles. Most of the provisions, however, of that early day, both of flour and meat, were brought from Detroit by way of Lake Michigan and the St. Joseph river.” (p. 371)
o “The first mill was erected on Rock Ran creek, near its confluence with the Elkhart. This was a mill of the olden time indeed; but yet it was quite in keeping with the enterprise of the period. John Carpenter erected this mill in 1831, but found a competition the same year a short distance up the stream. In 1835 –36 the patron age formerly extended to these little milling establishments was transferred to the Waterford mill, erected by Elias Baker in 1835. His interest in this concern was purchased immediately after by Hawks Brothers, thus the manufacturing era was entered upon in the township.” (pp. 884-5)
o “The first settlers [of the City of Goshen] were Wm. Bissell, … John Carpenter, … Elias Carpenter, …” (p. 885) In 1830, John Sr. would have been 57; his son Elias, 34.
o In 1830, The Elkhart County Board of Commissioner’s “labors in this regard resulted in the selection of the following panel: Grand Jury: Ben Bennett, … and Rob Hamilton. Traverse Jurors: Aaron Brown, … John Carpenter, … Anthony Nelson.” (pp. 412-413)
o A September 5, 1831 listing by Elkhart County Agent Oliver Crane of the lots sold in Elkhart County includes: Lot #119 Elias Carpenter $41, #127-128 Nicholas Carpenter $55, #273 John Carpenter $28.50, #120 Jos. Carpenter $25, #101 Elias Carpenter $20. (pp. 417-418)
o In 1833, the presiding elders of the Methodist Church were “met with every cooperation from such men as Latta, … Carpenter, …and many others.” (p. 630)
o “At the close of Mr. Nicholson's remarks a call was made for all persons present, who had voted at the first election in the county, to rise, whereupon John W. Violett, H. Stauffer , John Jackson, William Carmein, E. Carpenter and Mark B. Thompson , in addition to Mr. Nicholson, rose up.” (p. 382)
o “[T. G. Harris] said that Elias Carpenter was Assessor in 1840.” (p. 387) John #8032’s brother Elias would have been age 43 in 1840.
o “The first attempt at political party organization was carried out in April of the same year, by the election of Elias Carpenter, Asa Crook, Mark B. Thompson, Wm. Skinner and David Rodibaugh to places on the Democratic executive committee of the county.” (p. 441)
o In 1843, “the County Commissioners were Horace H. Hall, Jonathan Wyland and Joseph D. Knox. E. W. H. Ellis was Auditor; Ira Winnegar, Assessor; Elias Carpenter, Treasurer; W. Dodge, School Commissioner; Geo. Taylor, Recorder …” (p. 463)
o In 1832 and 1833, Elias Carpenter was elected as justice of the peace. (p. 517)
· Some of our John’s wife Fanny’s stepsiblings were reportedly born in Indiana prior to our John and Fanny’s first child’s birth in 1830: Elizabeth in Wabash County in 1827 and Sarah in Decatur County in 1828. Born in 1809, Fanny would have been age 18-19 when Elizabeth and Sarah were born and likely still living in parents’ home.
· 1840 Census seem to indicate Fanny’s father Abraham in Pleasant, Wabash County, IN.
· Wabash County is adjacent south of Kosciusko County and the second county south of Elkhart County. Distance between Goshen (seat of Elkhart Co.) and Wabash (seat of Wabash Co.) is 57 miles. Distance between Warsaw (seat of Kosciusko Co.) and Wabash (seat of Wabash Co.) is 32 miles.
· The National Road (a.k.a. Cumberland Turnpike) had reached Indianapolis by 1829. Travelers from Elkhart and Kosciusko Counties wishing to connect that that east-west road, could have logically traveled through Wabash County.
· If Fanny was in Wabash County and John #8032 was in Elkhart County in 1829, logistically it would have been possible for them to meet.
Negative indicators include:
· In the CarpenterCousins.com website, there are three Johns in the family of John #8032, including his father (John #3441) and a brother (John #8035). Neither children died early, so it is quite possible that this family record is wrong, that the John #8032 is not part of this family. Notes on that website indicate that the record of Nicholas Carpenter, the father of John Sr., might have merged the family of this Nicholas with the family of a Nicholas Carpenter whose family name was previously Zimmerman. DNA tests could confirm that.· One family tree on Ancestry.com indicated John #8032 might have been married to someone other than Fanny Garver.
· Logical migration routes would have run east to west, along the Wabash, Tippecanoe, Elkhart, and St. Joseph Rivers. Canals and railroads had not been constructed by 1829 in that part of Indiana.
· Elkhart County was formed in 1829. “The great flood of immigration [into Elkhart County] did not commence … until the years 1830-31.” (History of Elkhart County …, p. 368)
· The gravestone in Goshen, Elkhart Co., IN that matches John Sr. says “Rev. John Carpenter” which likely means that he might not be the John Sr. who owned the grist mill in 1831. However, none of the church records documented in History of Elkhart County … list a John Carpenter as their minister. The gravestone can be seen at https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/15478633/john-carpenter
· John Sr.’s will, written on Oct 12 1834 and probated on Apr 8 1855, divides his estate equally among his wife Sarah, his sons (David B., Elias, and John), his daughters Catherine, Elizabeth, Amy, and Sarah), and to heirs of his daughter Mary. Since Mary was still alive in 1834, one wonders why Mary’s part of the estate was left to Mary’s heirs and not to Mary herself. To his son Nicholas, John Sr. left $1 as Nicholas had already received his share of the estate. Interestingly, four of his children died between the time the will was written and the time it was probated. Wife Sarah reportedly died the day after John Sr. The will and supporting documents are on Ancenstry.com at this link.
· In 1834, our John was supposedly still alive as his fourth child was not born until 1836 in Highland Co., OH.
· John #8035, son of John Sr., is well documented as being born in 1812, having a wife Sarah Repogle, having nine children, having died in 1854 in Goshen, Elkhart Co, IN, and buried in same cemetery in Goshen as John Sr. (gravestone at https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/188560765/john-carpenter)
Conclusion:
The fact that only one son named John is in John Sr.'s will is a solid indicator that John #8032 on the CarpenterCousins.com website was not a member of the family of John Sr. (#3441). The conclusion is that we are not connected to that family. It was a ton of fun researching this family, though.Nonetheless, we might still be connected to John #8032. The questions now are “Who is John #8032” and “To what family does he belong?” Another questions to be explored is “Were there two John Seniors at the same time in Goshen, Elkhart Co., IN at the same time, one who was a Reverend and another who owned a grist mill?”
COMMENT:
Per the obit below, she came to Iowa in the Fall of 1842 with her husband, where for 37 years they labored together. I assume this was her husband Adams and not Carpenter. This may indicate Carpenter was deceased by then. PRF indicates marriage on 22 Mar 1838 in Highland County, Ohio.DEATH:
Name: Frances Ellen Adams
Gender: Female
Burial Date:
Burial Place:
Death Date: 23 Feb 1899
Death Place: Kalonan, Iowa
Age: 89
Birth Date: 1810
Birthplace: Kentucky
Occupation: Farmer'S Wife
Race:
Marital Status: Widowed
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B75301-7
System Origin: Iowa-EASy
GS Film number: 969342
Reference ID: Pg 171, Ln 161
Citing this Record:
"Iowa Deaths and Burials, 1850-1990," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XVQS-RY9 : 12 December 2014), Frances Ellen Adams, 23 Feb 1899; citing Kalonan, Iowa, reference Pg 171, Ln 161; FHL microfilm 969,342.GRAVE: image
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=72957573
Frances Ellen Garver Adams
Birth: Dec. 4, 1809
Death: Feb. 23, 1899
From The Kalona News, Friday, Mar 10, 1899
(from familytreemaker.genealogy.com, D.M. Culbertson)
Grandma Adams passed peacefully away at the residence of I. S. Edmondson last Thursday night at the hour of 11 o'clock, surrounded by children and loved ones to whom she talked resignedly of her approaching death and longed to go to the realms of her Savior. Death had no terrors for her. She had led a faithful and devoted Christian life and her passing from the mortal body was but the beginning of life eternal --- a reward that she knew she would receive for her faithfulness.
She was sick only a week and when she was stricken down she told those at her bedside that the final summons had come and talked about it to the end. She bade them grieve not for her and admonished them to continue, faithful unto death, that in the end they, too, might receive the Crown of Righteousness.
Francis Ellen Garver was born in Kentucky Dec. 4, 1809, and died at Kalona, Iowa, Thursday, Feb. 23, 1899, at 11 o'clock: p.m., at the advanced age of 89 years, 2 months and 19 days.
She was married in the state of Indiana to John Carpenter, by whom she had four children, viz: Mrs. Jane Thompson, (deceased), Mrs. Catherine Randel, Daniel and Jack Carpenter the latter living at Superior, Neb.
Her second marriage to Ephraim Adams took place in Ohio and this union was blessed with six children, viz: Riley Adams, Eli Adams (deceased), Mrs. Rebecca Edmondson, of Kalona; Mrs. Susie Urice, of Benton Co.; Mrs. Rachel Rehkopf, Topeka, Kan., and Mrs. Ellen Snider, of Muscatine.
She had made her home with her daughter Mrs. I. S. Edmondson for the 15 years prior to her death.
Of her descendants there are living eight children, forty-two grandchildren, sixty one great grandchildren and four great great grandchildren.
In the fall of '42 she came with her husband to Iowa, where for 37 years they labored together. But few of their associates are left to speak of those days. A few were present at her funeral, and in honor to the memory of this pioneer father and mother, recall the days when their hospitable home was ever open to all; how kindness and generosity were present in their dwelling.
In this home were cherished the sentiments dear to liberty-loving citizens, and the black slave fleeing from bondage found ready refuge.
Nineteen years ago Mr. Adams passed away, and since then her children and children's children to the third generation have been her companions and often were their names heard from her lips until she breathed her last.
At the age of 16 years she rested her faith in the "God of our Salvation" and joined the Church of Christ. She was faithful to God in all things and died happy, talking of her home beyond.
The funeral was held at the Baptist church Saturday at 10 o'clock and was largely attended. Rev. D. G. Abbott conducted the services. The remains were interred in Snider cemetery.
Family links:
Spouse:
Ephriam Nathaniel Adams (1816 - 1879)
Children:
Rebecca Ann Adams Edmondson (1841 - 1910)*
*Calculated relationship
Burial:
Snider Cemetery
Kalona
Washington County
Iowa, USACreated by: Sue
Record added: Jul 06, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 72957573ANCESTRY: Rehkopf-Jennings-Hacker Family Tree by Susan Rehkopf
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/86975423/person/36550628095/factsAncestry Sources
1850 United States Federal Census
1860 United States Federal Census
Ancestry Family Trees
Iowa, Death Records, 1920-1940
Ohio, County Marriages, 1774-1993Parents
Abraham Garver 1780–1858
Catherine Ocherman 1785–1824Spouse & Children
John Carpenter 1810–1836 <------- Parentage is a Group 2 line !
Jane Carpenter 1830–1892
Catherine Carpenter 1831–1913
Daniel Carpenter 1834–1912
John (Jack) Carpenter 1836–1903Spouse & Children
Ephriam Nathaniel Adams Jr 1816–1879
Eli Adams 1839–1899
Rebecca Adams 1841–1910
Susan Adams 1843–1919
Rachel Margaret (Maggie) Adams 1845–1925
W. R. (Riley) Adams 1847–1934
Ellen Lydia Adams 1849–1928
176. Elizabeth Jane "Jane" Carpenter
She married a Thompson per her mother's obit.
PRF:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:S596-PKH
Isaac Smith /Thompson/
GENDER: Male
BIRTH: 7 May 1825 Highland Co., OH
Sources1
DEATH: 7 July 1859 English River Twp, Washington Co., IA
Sources1
CENSUS 1850
Washington Co., IA
Sources1
SOURCES (1)
adams47.FTW
NOTES (1)
"In the '50's (1859), Smith Thompson was accidentally shot at Hasty's farm by parties shooting at a mark. He was hauling lumber from his mill to Richmond. He died at Hasty's house. Story is that men were having a beer party and a turkey shooting contest in the timber. Bullet glanced and came up over the hill and hit him, as he drove by. Hasty's used only pillow they had in the house to put under his head. Hasty's made all the funeral arrangements for widow, Elizabeth Jane. She was living in a log cabin and left with small children."
CITING THIS RECORD
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, "Pedigree Resource File," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:S596-5GS : accessed 2016-08-25), entry for Isaac Smith /Thompson/.
PARENTS: birth locations
Death record
Father's Name: Jno. Carpenter
Father's Birthplace: Ohio
Mother's Name: Francis Garver
Mother's Birthplace:
Census 1900
Father's Birthplace: Ohio, USA
Mother's Birthplace: Ohio, USA
Census 1910
Father's Birthplace: Indiana
Mother's Birthplace: KentuckyCENSUS: 1900 US Census
Name: Katherine Randell
[Kathrene Randell]
Age: 67
Birth Date: Sep 1832
Birthplace: Ohio, USA
Home in 1900: English River, Washington, Iowa
Sheet Number: 10
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation: 202
Family Number: 203
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Ohio, USA
Mother's Birthplace: Ohio, USA
Mother: Number of Living Children: 9
Mother: How Many Children: 10
Occupation: Capitalist
Can Read: Yes
Can Write: Yes
Can Speak English: Yes
House Owned or Rented: Rent
Farm or House: H
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Katherine Randell 67
William W Randell 42
Squire B Randell 39
Ellen March 36
Maud N March 16
Frank F March 14
Source Citation
Year: 1900; Census Place: English River, Washington, Iowa; Page: 10; Enumeration District: 0112; FHL microfilm: 1240464
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1900 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.
Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Twelfth Census of the United States, 1900. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1900. T623, 1854 rolls.CENSUS: 1910 US Census
Name: Catherine Randel
Age in 1910: 76
Birth Year: abt 1834
Birthplace: Ohio
Home in 1910: English River, Washington, Iowa
Street: Barnes Street
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Indiana
Mother's Birthplace: Kentucky
Native Tongue: English
Occupation: Own Income
Home Owned or Rented: Own
Home Free or Mortgaged: Free
Farm or House: House
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Number of Children Born: 10
Number of Children Living: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Catherine Randel 76
William H Randel 52
Mary E March 47
Frank F March 24
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Source Citation
Year: 1910; Census Place: English River, Washington, Iowa; Roll: T624_427; Page: 20A; Enumeration District: 0124; FHL microfilm: 1374440
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1910 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006.
Original data: Thirteenth Census of the United States, 1910 (NARA microfilm publication T624, 1,178 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C. For details on the contents of the film numbers, visit the following NARA web page: NARA.DEATH:
Name: Cathrine Randel
Gender: Female
Burial Date: 13 Oct 1913
Burial Place:
Death Date: 11 Oct 1913
Death Place: Kalona, English River, Washington, Iowa
Age: 82
Birth Date: 18 Sep 1831
Birthplace: Ohio
Occupation: Retired
Race:
Marital Status: Widowed
Spouse's Name: Randel
Father's Name: Jno. Carpenter
Father's Birthplace: Ohio
Mother's Name: Francis Garver
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B86807-6
System Origin: Iowa-EASy
GS Film number: 1704071
Reference ID: p153 cn76
Citing this Record:
"Iowa Deaths and Burials, 1850-1990," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XVHS-JJP : 12 December 2014), Cathrine Randel, 11 Oct 1913; citing Kalona, English River, Washington, Iowa, reference p153 cn76; FHL microfilm 1,704,071.
SEE ALSO:
Name: Cathrine Randel [Cathrine Carpenter]
Gender: Female
Marital status: Widowed
Occupation: Retired
Age: 82
Birth Date: 18 Sep 1831
Birth Place: Ohio
Death Date: 11 Oct 1913
Death Place: Kalona, English River, Washington, Iowa
Burial Date: 13 Oct 1913
Father: Jno. Carpenter
Mother: Francis Garver
Spouse: Randel
FHL Film Number: 1704071
Reference ID: p153 cn76
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Iowa, Deaths and Burials, 1850-1990 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc, 2014.
Original data: Iowa, Deaths and Burials, 1850-1990. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.GRAVE: image
Catherine C Carpenter Randel
Birth: Mar 1831
Death: 11 Oct 1913 (aged 82)
Burial: Snider Cemetery, Kalona, Washington County, Iowa, USA
Memorial #: 112308031
Family Members
Spouse
James T Randel 1831-1899
Children
Levi Randel Unknown-1852
Christopher C Randel Unknown-1857
John Thomas Randel 1869-1912
Elizabeth Frances Randell Stumpf 1870-1970
Martha Randel Brown 1872-1906
Created by: Connie (46496968)
Added: 14 Jun 2013
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/112308031
Citation: Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 02 November 2019), memorial page for Catherine C Carpenter Randel (Mar 1831–11 Oct 1913), Find A Grave Memorial no. 112308031, citing Snider Cemetery, Kalona, Washington County, Iowa, USA ; Maintained by Connie (contributor 46496968) .
GRAVE: image
James T Randel
Birth: Mar 1831
Death: 16 Feb 1899 (aged 67)
Burial: Snider Cemetery, Kalona, Washington County, Iowa, USA
Memorial #: 112307965
Family Members
Spouse
Catherine C Carpenter Randel 1831-1913
Children
Levi Randel Unknown-1852
Christopher C Randel Unknown-1857
John Thomas Randel 1869-1912
Elizabeth Frances Randell Stumpf 1870-1970
Martha Randel Brown 1872-1906
Created by: Connie (46496968)
Added: 14 Jun 2013
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/112307965/james-t-randel
Citation: Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 02 November 2019), memorial page for James T Randel (Mar 1831–16 Feb 1899), Find A Grave Memorial no. 112307965, citing Snider Cemetery, Kalona, Washington County, Iowa, USA ; Maintained by Connie (contributor 46496968) .
NOTE:
Whch John Carpenter did she marry? Likely John Worth Carpenter (he of an English line).. But, the other John A. Carpenter may be a group 3 line. A little mystery here. See the John Carpenters notes regarding wills.NAFH: image
Name: Hannah Walter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 30 Aug 1741
First Marriage Date: 2 May 1759
First Marriage Place: Kennet Meeting
Death Date: 15 May 1800
Father: Joseph Walter
Mother: Jane
Spouse: John Gregg Carpenter
Child:
Rachel Carpenter
William Carpenter
Joseph Carpenter
Albina Carpenter
Hannah Carpenter
Phebe Carpenter
Jane Carpenter
Margaret Carpenter
John Carpenter
Isaac Carpenter
Cyrus Carpenter
Source Citation
Book Title: History and Genealogy of the Harlan Family : and particularly of the descendants of George and Mich
Source Information
Ancestry.com. North America, Family Histories, 1500-2000 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016.WILL: Cited as a Daughter
Name: Hannah Walter Carpenter
Description: Daughter
Date: 10 Sep 1792
Prove date: 6 Jun 1794
Remarks: Walter, Joseph. Kennett. 9-10-1792. June 6, 1794. Provides for wife Jane. To son James 5 shillings. Also confirms to him 8 acres of meadow previously leased to him for 900 years. To son Joseph 5 shillings. To son William plantation whereon I dwell in Kennett, containing 150 acres, reserving the above 8 acres to James, he paying to daughter Hannah, wife of John Carpenter, £30.16 and to daughter Jane £52.12, and £5 each to the 6 children of daughter Elizabeth, deceased, late wife of Isaac Trimble, Joseph, John, Mary, Jane, James and Isaac at 18. Remainder to daughters Hannah and Jane. Executors: Son-in-law John Carpenter, son William.
Source Information
Lineages, Inc., comp.. Chester County, Pennsylvania Wills, 1713-1825 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2000.
Original data: Chester County Wills. Located at the Chester County Archives and Records Service.
CHR:
Name: John Carpenter
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 12 Aug 1746
Baptism Place: Winwick, Huntingdon, England
Father: John Carpenter
Mother: Mary Carpenter
FHL Film Number: 1040731
Source Information
Ancestry.com. England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
Original data: England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.MARRIAGE: 1767
Name: John Carpenter
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 15 Mar 1767
Marriage Place: Winwick, Huntingdon, England
Spouse: Susanne Eaton
FHL Film Number: 1040731
Reference ID: item 2 p 9
Source Information
Ancestry.com. England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
Original data: England, Marriages, 1538-1973. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.
CHR:
Name: Alice Carpenter
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 9 Oct 1768
Baptism Place: Winwick, Huntingdon, England
Father: John Carpenter
Mother: Susanna Carpenter
FHL Film Number: 1040731
Source Information
Ancestry.com. England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
Original data: England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.
CHR:
Name: Ann Carpenter
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 6 Oct 1771
Baptism Place: Winwick, Huntingdon, England
Father: John Carpenter
Mother: Susanna Carpenter
FHL Film Number: 1040731
Source Information
Ancestry.com. England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
Original data: England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.
CHR:
Name: Hannah Carpenter
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 9 Oct 1774
Baptism Place: Winwick, Huntingdon, England
Father: John Carpenter
Mother: Susanne Carpenter
FHL Film Number: 1040731
Source Information
Ancestry.com. England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
Original data: England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.
CHR:
Name: Maria Carpenter
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 9 Mar 1775
Baptism Place: Winwick, Huntingdon, England
Father: John Carpenter
Mother: Susana Carpenter
FHL Film Number: 1040731
Source Information
Ancestry.com. England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
Original data: England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.