Descendants of the William Carpenters of the Bevis (1638)
Carpenter Cousins Encyclopedia of Carpenters - 2024 Update
Notes
4066.
Sudna Elizabeth Carpenter
BOOK: See page 42 (for notes) of the Mowrey 1997 book. See book information
below: Page 52 for family.
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH
ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH
CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
Page 42: 13. Sudna Elizabeth (16) Carpenter was born about 1765, married Samuel
Tanner on November 28, 1791 and died after 1850. Sudna's brother, Thomas, was
the bondsman for this marriage in Harrison County, Virginia. Samuel Tanner was
a veteran of the Revolutionary War (Jesse (16) Carpenter was one of his
testators when Sam made his pension application, but didn't receive any land
grant or pension (page 43) because he had not served long enough). These
Tanners, along with a man named Jonathan Wolfe and a boy called "Tate", are
credited with being the founders of Spencer, seat of Roane County, West
Virginia. They are variously said to have lived in Harrison, Wood, Jackson and
Roane Counties. Aside from a brief stay in Gallia County, Ohio near her
brother, Jesse, they never moved, but the counties did!
CHILDREN: Page 52-54: Children of Sudna Elizabeth (16) Carpenter, of Solomon
(15), of Joseph (14):
1. William Tanner was born about 1790. No further information.
2. Jesse "Ike" Tanner was born circa 1795, married 1st Mary "Polly"
Carpenter 14 August 1820 in Mason County (Mary was a daughter of Jesse and
Sarah Jane Riffe Carpenter) and 2nd Judith Carpenter (Judy was a daughter of
Jeremiah and Elizabeth Hamm Carpenter) circa 1837. All of Jesse and Judith
Carpenter Tanner's children 1837-1846 listed their parents as Jesse and Judy
Tanner when they married. Judy died 10 October 1859 and is reportedly buried
in the "Old Tanner Cemetery" on Craig Ridge. Mary Carpenter Tanner died in
childbirth with her last child, William, and is supposedly buried in the same
graveyard. Jesse Tanner married 3rd Lucinda Raines 11 February 1860 and died 26
March 1885. Lucinda was a daughter of Uriah and Massie (Hughes) Gandee, a widow
of Abraham Raines and a first cousin, but
once removed, to Jesse Tanner through the Hughes family. They are buried in the
Memorial Gardens Cemetery at Spencer, West Virginia. Jesse and Lucinda's (Page
52) children, 1862-1872, all listed their parents as Jesse and Lucy or Lucinda
when they married. Parental listings offer substantial proof of whom Jesse
Tanner married and
when he married them.
3. Joseph Tanner married Nancy Miller 17 August 1821 in Mason County,
Virginia- now West Virginia. Joseph and Jesse Tanners' marriage records are
found in Point Pleasant (Reverend Benjamin Wright's original records may be
inspected in Cottageville), West Virginia. This Nancy Miller has not been
linked with the pioneers,
Samuel and/or Joshua Miller, and remains unidentified as far as family is
concerned.
4. James Tanner was born circa 1800 and married Nancy (surname unknown).
5. Elijah Tanner was born about 1802 and married Marian King 29 August
1833. (This woman's name is also found as Mary A. and Mary Ann.)
6. Mary Tanner was born around 1810. No further information.
7. Elizabeth Tanner was born circa 1812 and married Benjamin Wright.
8. Louise Tanner married Basil Miller. No further information.
9.There was at least one other child in this family- perhaps an
?Artimethia?
Samuel Tanner, Sudna Elizabeth Carpenter, Jonathan Wolfe, and a boy called
"Tate" were supposedly the first settlers in what is now Spencer, West Virginia
in 1812 (Jesse Carpenter's oldest son, Thomas, was fifteen years old at that
time and was nicknamed "Tater"). They had heard very enticing stories about the
area and its wonderful spring from Tanner's brothers-in-law, Jesse Hughes and
Jesse Carpenter, and had decided to sojourn there to see what it was like and
perhaps settle.
It seemed to be an ideal place to homestead. There was a huge overhanging
rock shelf (variously called "the Cliffs", "Carpenter's Cave" et cetera), the
beautiful spring, a nearby creek (Tanner's Run) and abundant game in the
surrounding forest.
There were even gigantic sugar trees in the "bottoms" for maple syrup in
March if things went well. Logs were cut and stood on end between ground and
ceiling to form the outside wall and brush was piled against it for insulation
and to shed water. Other logs were split to make "puncheon" table and chairs,
dry leaves were piled in the corners to serve as beds and a fire pit made so
that most of the smoke would go out through a crevice in the roof. A small
field had been cleared and enough corn planted to see them through the winter
(squash and "lazy wife" beans were interspersed with the "eight rows white"
corn to provide other preservable foodstuff).
A sturdy cabin was built where the Roane County courthouse now stands the
following spring and Elizabeth, supposedly the Tanners" first child, was born.
Other Carpenters and Tanners as well as Runnions and Millers inhabited the
region shortly (page 53) thereafter. It would be unusual to find many people in
Roane County, even today, who are not related in some way to at least one of
these old founding families.
The cliffs are still there on the campus of old Spencer High School but are
no more than a shadow of their original selves. Because of the danger to the
children, much of the shelf was broken off deliberately. There is a movement
afoot to preserve them. In their "heyday" the cave consisted of two rooms, side
by side with a partition of rock in between. The larger room must have been
some fifteen feet deep and thirty feet long with an eight foot ceiling, The
smaller room was just as deep but perhaps only half as long and served as a
stable for livestock, especially the family's milk cow.
Samuel Tanner
SAMUEL & SUDAH (CARPENTER) MARRIAGE RECORDED MARR. BK.#1, PG 15 BOND BY
SAMUEL & THOMAS CARPENTER. STATE OF VIRGINIA.
Sidney Carpenter on marriage record not Sudna, m. by Rev. Joseph
Cheuvront.
NOTE: There is, at times, heated discussion of who was Samuel's spouse(s).
All can agree on "Sudna or Sidney or both." Who were her parents is another
question. So I will list 2 spouses until further detail can come out.
E-MAIL:
From: Rick Greathouse mailto:rick@greathouse.us>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:30 PM
To: John R. Carpenter mailto:jrcrin001@cox.net>
Subject: Samuel Tanner
You may have Samuel Tanner's deposition for Rev War pension... Thanks, Rick Greathouse rick@greathouse.us mailto:rick@greathouse.us> Archivist/Historian/Webmaster Greathouse Point Home of Guild Greathouse Admin Greathouse DNA Project
E-MAIL:
From: Rick Greathouse
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 3:07 PM
To: John R Carpenter
Subject: Re: Tanners, Carpenters and such, Oh My!
We have a mess with John Greathouse Sr. who married Sarah McDade. She was the daughter of James McDade and Rachel Tanner. Rachel Tanner was the daughter of Edward & Rachel [maiden name unknown] Tanner and a sister to Samuel Tanner who married Sudna Carpenter.
My lineage goes through Rachel Tanner and Samuel Tanner.
Edward & Rachel ? Tanner
..Rachel Tanner & James McDade
....Sarah McDade & John Greathouse Sr.
......Edward Greathouse & Elizabeth Matilda Blosser
........Isaac B. Greathouse & Sarah Tanner
..........Ervin M. Greathouse & Effie Leveary Webb
............Paul "Dick" Greathouse & Zadia Dale Price
..............Paul Richard Greathouse & Sharon Kay Boggs
................Richard Ivan Greathouse -> me
..Samuel Tanner & Sudna Carpenter
....Jesse Tanner & Judith Carpenter
......Sarah Tanner & Isaac B. Greathouse
........Ervin M. Greathouse & Effie Leveary Webb
..........Paul "Dick" Greathouse & Zadia Dale Price
............Paul Richard Greathouse & Sharon Kay Boggs
..............Richard Ivan Greathouse -> me
John Greathouse Sr. appeared near Evans, WV about 17 Sep 1806 when he announced his intentions to marry Sarah McDade in a marriage bond. It is almost like he walked out of of cloud leaving no trace to where he was residing before arrived at Evans, WV. Based on records he had the opportunity to state his age on between 1810 and 1866, he appears to have been born between March 1778 and 1782. If he was born in March 1778, then he was conceived about 9 months prior in June 1777, which would suggest his father was alive in June 1777, but perhaps not alive when he was born about March 1778. The only record which supports a March 1778 birth would be his headstone with inscription given by his son Edward Greathouse who ordered the headstone from a stone cutter in Ravenswood. I am thinking that Edward Greathouse may have become aware that his father was somewhat older than his father related to a Justice of the Peace, age 74 in 1856, so born about 1782.
There is some interesting individuals named in the household of John & Sarah McDade Greathouse as farm laborers in the 1850 census, Mordecai Stackhouse and Lewis Stackhouse. Mordecai was the son of Rohanah Greathouse who married John Stackhouse in Harrison County, VA in 1798. Lewis, son of Aaron Stackhouse was a grandson of Rohanah Greathouse Stackhouse.
I think that Rohanah Greathouse Stackhouse, Mordecai Stackhouse and Lewis Stackhouse knew what relationship John Greathouse Sr. was to them, but we don't.
If John Greathouse Sr. was born about March 1778, then there are two Greathouse males who died between 27 Sep 1777 and March 1778, who could have been the father of John Greathouse Sr.. Jacob Greathouse was killed during the Indian ambush of Cpt. William Foreman's Company on 27 Sep 1777. Daniel Greathouse was deceased by March 1778, when his brother John Greathouse was appointed administrator of the estate of Daniel Greathouse deceased.
Daniel Greathouse can be excluded from candidates who could have been the father of John Greathouse Sr. based on:
1799 - Paris District Court: Chancery Case # 3166, Gabriel Greathouse vs Andrew McCreery, Mary McCreery, Richard Morris and others
http://greathouse.us/archives/usa/ky/bourbon/1799-dep-greathouse-gabriel.htm
Allan W. Eckert was the first to conclude that Daniel Greathouse and Jacob Greathouse were brothers. I really hate to burst the bubble for the rest of the Greathouses who want to believe this, but it just is not so. I would grant that they were probably first cousins.
Johannes Adolph Grothaus & Anna Amelia Miller
..Johannes Grothaus, born 1721, moved to Philadelphia City about 1745 where he raised his family.
....Johannes Grothaus, born about 1745
....Maria Dorothea Grothaus, born about 1747, married Johannes Cramp in 1770, baptized children at German Reformed Church, Philadelphia City in 1772 [daughter], 1774 [daughter] and 1776 [Jacob].
....Jacob Grothaus, born about 1749, married Catharina Sybilla ? about 1770, baptized son Jacob on 5 Feb 1771 at St. Michael's and Zion Church, Philadelphia City. Worked as journeyman tanner with George Cooper, tanner, 3rd Street, Philadelphia City through March 1771.
....Henry Grothaus, born about 1750, may have been illegitimate Grothaus child baptized at German Reformed Church in May 1750, was renting lot in Middle Ward from John Ross in 1774.
..Herman Greathouse & Mary Stull
....John Greathouse, born 1752, m. Elizabeth
....Daniel Greathouse, born 1754, m. Mary Morris at Bruceton Mills about 1776.
......Gabriel Greathouse, born Jan 1777
Rick Greathouse
rick@greathouse.us
4067.
Samuel Carpenter
AF has father as Soloman. However Soloman may have been an uncle. NFD.
Not in the Mowrey 1997 book!
9617.
Rebbeca Carpenter
Rebecca (17) Carpenter was born 18 March 1798 and married Adam
Persinger before 1842. No further information.
9619.
Mary "Polly" Carpenter
Mary "Polly" (17) Carpenter (Joseph (17)'s twin) was born 3 June 1800,
never married and died 23 October 1828.
The question is did she stay in VA or move to Boone county, MO about 1825?
9620.
Martha Carpenter
Martha (17) Carpenter was born 25 December 1802 and married John
Mallow before 1842. No further information.
9621.
Sarah or Sally Carpenter
Sarah "Sallie" (17) Carpenter was born 13 March 1805 and married William
Brunnerner before 1842. No further information.
9622.
Elizabeth Carpenter
Elizabeth was never married.
9623.
Jane "Jenney" Carpenter
Jane "Jenny" (17) Carpenter was born on 26 October 1809 and married
Isaac Tackett before 1842. No further information.
4076.
Jesse Carpenter
PARENTS:
Claimed as:
William Carpenter b. abt 1727 NY - d. 10 Oct 1763 VA
_____ Pringle b. abt 1727 ? - d. ? ?
Challenged as:
Solomon Carpenter b. 1714 NY - d. 1783 VA
Sudna Hughes b. 1725 PA - d. 1792 VA
NO DOCUMENT citing proof.
COMMENT:
Two possible Jesse Carpenter combined below? See 1830 US Census info below.
THIS IS NOT the Jesse Carpenter (RIN 5345) with the parents noted as challenged above.
CORRECTIONS:
From: Terry Carpenter
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 9:57 AM
To: John R. Carpenter
Cc: John Chandler
Subject: Re: N14886's lineage update
Hi John,
The 1796 marriage record for Jesse Carpenter (RIN 5345) names his bride as Jenny Rife, and there is no record identifying her as Sarah Jane even though many internet trees state that. Her surname was not Wright -- the Rev. John Alderson, who married them, was a literate man, and he spelled Wright correctly in his list of marriages that he performed. Rife was later spelled Riffe -- it was pronounced "riffy" not "ryte."
The Jesse Carpenter who married in 1814 to Margaret Cottrell did not marry in 1796 to Jenny Wright -- he would have been only 11 years old at that time.
Both Jesses were too young to have served in the Revolutionary War. There are 4 Jesse Carpenters with War of 1812 service in Virginia or Ohio. One was the Jesse Carpenter born c1785 who married Margaret, the other three were from other places in Virginia.
The Van Ripper family tree information about the Carpenters is chock full of errors, for example, listing Amos Carpenter who was born 14 Feb 1754 in VA as born in "Lebanon, New London, Connecticut, USA." They cite two references, (1) U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 which are in large part unverified user-contributed say-so information that cannot be accepted at face value; and (2) unverified user-contributed Ancestry Family Trees that are no longer available -- and probably just as well because they most likely cited other Ancestry Family Trees none of which were based on original sources. The many obvious errors make it clear that they have been indiscriminately copying and conflating others' work.
Terry
Older notes follow.
NOTE:
He married twice. First wife's name is unknown, it may have been Polly.
He served as an Indian spy during the Revolution, under Major William Lowther
and in Col. Joseph Crockett's Regiment. This regiment was called Illinois as
it was under George Rogers Clark which went to Ohio country to subdue the
Indians at at Vincennes. These soldiers protected the Continental Army from
having to fight on two fronts. IE the Indians in the west and the British in
the east. Jesse also served in the War of 1812.
Braxton county, Virginia is now in West Virginia.
CHILDREN:
Elizabeth, Jesse, Nancy and James added from:
Van Ripper Family Tree <---------- See CORRECTIONS
http://www.vanriper.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=vanriper&view=0&pid=26720&rand=52178330
SEE ALSO:
https://vanriper.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=vanriper&view=0&pid=29653&ver=15801
BOOK: extracted pages - in the book section of the CE.
History of Braxton County and central West Virginia by Sutton, John Davison, 1844-1941, Published 1919 in Sutton, WV, 476 pages. USE CAUTION!
.................................................
MARRIAGE: 1796 - Per CORRECTIONS TLC indicates this was Jesse C-5345
Name: Jesse Carpenter
Spouse: Janny Wright
Marriage Date: 3 May 1796
Marriage Location: Greenbrier County, Virginia
Source Information
Dodd, Jordan. Virginia, Compiled Marriages, 1660-1800 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1997.
Original data: Dodd, Jordan, comp.. Virginia Marriages to 1800. Electronic transcription of marriage records held by the individual counties in Virginia.
MILITARY: War of 1812
Date Enlisted: 6 Sep 1814
Date Discharged: 30 Jun 1815
Info from pension documents below.
MILITARY: 1814 - image
Name: Jesse Carpenter
Birthyear: abt 1787 <-----------------
Birthplace: Virginia, United States
Enlistment Age: 27
Source Information
Ancestry.com. U.S. Army, Register of Enlistments, 1798-1914 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2007.
Original data: Register of Enlistments in the U.S. Army, 1798-1914; (National Archives Microfilm Publication M233, 81 rolls); Records of the Adjutant General’s Office, 1780’s-1917, Record Group 94; National Archives, Washington, D.C.
NOTE: Per image ...
Number, name, rank, Regiment, Company, Company Commander, Regimental Commander, Height in feet, inches, eyes, hair, complexion, age, occupation, Town or County Born, State born, (Next Page), when enlisted, where, by whom, period, Remarks.
2231, Carpenter, Jesse, Private, 2nd US Rifles, Capt. B. Harrison,, 5', 7", dark, sandy, fair, 27, Laborer, Harrison Co. Va, (next page) Sept 6 1814, (from) G(H?)alipolis, Lt. Miller, War, DR Feby. 16 & DR Malden NC April 15 1815 Present - Discharged at Detroit June 30, 1815 - term expired - See pension case.
LAND - Bounty Land for service in the War of 1812 - images
Name: Jesse Carpenter
Warrant Number: 25017
Source Information
Ancestry.com. U.S. War Bounty Land Warrants, 1789-1858 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2007.
Original data:
U.S. Revolutionary War Bounty Land Warrants Used in the U.S. Military District of Ohio and Relating Papers (Acts of 1788, 1803, and 1806), 1788-1806; Microfilm Publication M829, 16 rolls; ARC ID: 635444. Records of the Bureau of Land Management, Record Group 49; National Archives at Washington, D.C.
War of 1812 Military Bounty Land Warrants, 1815-1858; Microfilm Publication M848, 14 rolls; ARC ID: 4923870. Records of the Bureau of Land Management, Record Group 49; National Archives at Washington, D.C.
NOTE:
Per Warrant image a Jesse Carpenter was a private in the company of Captain B. Harrison of the 2nd Regiment of US Riflemen and entitled to 160 acres of land for his service. Warrant No. 25017 - Dated 19 Feb 1822.
On the registered warrant list it shows:
Name, Vol., Page, Section, Township, Range, Warrant number
Jesse Carpenter, 8, 299, SE(?) 21, 6N., 16 W., 25017
CENSUS: 1830 US Census - 2 different aged Jesse Carpenter enumerated!
The first b. abt 1771 to 1780 and the second b. abt 1781 to 1790. These could be father and son, but maybe uncle and nephew instead? The first one barely matches the Jesse we are working on.
1)
Name: Jesse Carpenter
Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Kanawha, Virginia
Free White Persons - Males - Under 5: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 5 thru 9: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 50 thru 59: 1 <--- b. abt 1771 to 1780
Free White Persons - Females - Under 5: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 5 thru 9: 3
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 14: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 20 thru 29: 1
Free White Persons - Under 20: 7
Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 1
Total Free White Persons: 9
Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 9
Source Citation
1830; Census Place: Kanawha, Virginia; Series: M19; Roll: 191; Page: 186; Family History Library Film: 0029670
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1830 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fifth Census of the United States, 1830. (NARA microfilm publication M19, 201 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
2)
Name: Josse Carpenter [Jesse Carpenter] Per CORRECTIONS - A third Jesse Carpenter married Margaret Cottrell in 1814 and he was born c1785. Likely this person.
Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Kanawha, Virginia
Free White Persons - Males - Under 5: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 40 thru 49: 1 <--- b. abt 1781 to 1790
Free White Persons - Females - Under 5: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 20 thru 29: 1
Free White Persons - Under 20: 2
Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 2
Total Free White Persons: 4
Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 4
Source Citation
1830; Census Place: Kanawha, Virginia; Series: M19; Roll: 191; Page: 187; Family History Library Film: 0029670
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1830 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fifth Census of the United States, 1830. (NARA microfilm publication M19, 201 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
PENSION: 1833 - images (Granted then denied due to cause!)
Name: Jesse Carpenter
Pension Year: 1833
Application State: Virginia
Archive Publication Number: M804
Archive Roll Number: 475
Total Pages in Packet: 10
Source Information
Ancestry.com. U.S., Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty-Land Warrant Application Files, 1800-1900 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Original data: Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty-Land Warrant Application Files (NARA microfilm publication M804, 2,670 rolls). Records of the Department of Veterans Affairs, Record Group 15. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
NOTE:
Given a pension and acknowledged as a Revolutionary War Soldier listed in Volume VII of the Report of the Secretary of War, page 74, 1835. Then it was later declared invalid and stopped on 16 Mar 1836. Reason is that investigation by witnesses claimed he was too young to have served.
Jesse served as a private in the VA militia under Captain Trunk's Company of Virginia for 2 years.
The five testimonies include a Nicholas Carpenter, relationship unknown. See filmstrip number 515 of 825. A note (518 of 825) indicates Jesse was 83 in 1834 making him born about 1750ish. They same note indicates a Jesse was 74 in 1835 making him born about 1760ish.
PENSION: 1833-1849 - images
Name: Jesse Carpenter
Year Range: 1833-1849
Pension Office Place: Virginia, USA
Source Citation
The National Archives; Washington, D.C.; Ledgers of Payments, 1818-1872, to U.S. Pensioners Under Acts of 1818 Through 1858 From Records of the Office of the Third Auditor of the Treasury; Record Group Title: Records of the Accounting Officers of the Department of the Treasury; Record Group Number: 217; Series Number: T718; Roll Number: 5
Source Information
Ancestry.com. U.S., Revolutionary War Pensioners, 1801-1815, 1818-1872 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2007.
Original data:
Ledgers of Payments, 1818-1872, to U.S. Pensioners Under Acts of 1818 Through 1858 From Records of the Office of the Third Auditor of the Treasury, 1818-1872. NARA microform publication T718. 23 rolls. Records of the Accounting Officers of the Department of the Treasury, 1775-1978, Record Group 217. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
Pension Payment Roll of Veterans of the Revolutionary War and the Regular Army and Navy, 3/1801 - 9/1815. NARA microform publication M1786. 1 Roll. NAI: 2600769. Records of the Department of Veterans Affairs, 1773–2007, Record Group 15. The National Archives at Washington, D.C.
NOTE:
The image (316 of 405) indicates that Jesse Carpenter got a pension in March and September 1833 then it was stopped after March 1834. (4 4 1)
CENSUS: 1840 US Census
PENSION: 1843 include death date and widow's death date.
Soldier: Jesse Carpenter
Widow: Margaret Carpenter <----------- married Margaret Cottrell in 1814 per TLC
Marriage Date: 1814
Date Enlisted: 6 Sep 1814
Date Discharged: 30 Jun 1815
Soldier's Death Date: Jun 1843
Soldier's Death Place: Braxton Co, W VA
Military Service Location: United States
Widow's Death Date: 24 Nov 1880
Pension Number - #1: WO 38491
Pension Number - #2: WC 30979
Bounty Land Number - #1: 25017 160 12
Roll number: 16
Archive Publication Number: M313
Source Information
Ancestry.com. War of 1812 Pension Application Files Index, 1812-1815 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010.
Original data: War of 1812 Pension Applications. Washington D.C.: National Archives. NARA Microfilm Publication M313, 102 rolls. Records of the Department of Veterans Affairs, Record Group Number 15.
CENSUS: 1850 US Census
CENSUS: 1860 US Census
CENSUS: 1870 US Census
CENSUS: 1880 US Census
9627.
Stephen Carpenter
Stephen (17) Carpenter was born about 1806 in Jackson County, married
Susanna Westfall 19 November 1829 in Lewis County and died after 1870 in Roane.
Margaret Cottrell
PENSION: War of 1812 - see more details on husband's notes.
Soldier: Jesse Carpenter
Widow: Margaret Carpenter <--------------
Marriage Date: 1814 <---------------
Date Enlisted: 6 Sep 1814
Date Discharged: 30 Jun 1815
Soldier's Death Date: Jun 1843
Soldier's Death Place: Braxton Co, W VA
Military Service Location: United States
Widow's Death Date: 24 Nov 1880 <--------------
Pension Number - #1: WO 38491
Pension Number - #2: WC 30979
Bounty Land Number - #1: 25017 160 12
Roll number: 16
Archive Publication Number: M313
Source Information
Ancestry.com. War of 1812 Pension Application Files Index, 1812-1815 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010.
Original data: War of 1812 Pension Applications. Washington D.C.: National Archives. NARA Microfilm Publication M313, 102 rolls. Records of the Department of Veterans Affairs, Record Group Number 15.
PARENTS:
Thomas Cottrell Sr. 1762–1850 • FSFT# L2WW-2XG
Marriage: 22 February 1791 Harrison, West Virginia, United States
Mary Polly O'Brien 1770–1850 • FSFT# L5KL-5LW
9628.
Susan Runnion
May have belonged to first marriage?
Susan (17) Carpenter was born circa 1816 in Jackson County, married
David Reed, Jr. in Lewis County 29 June 1837 and died after 1860 in Roane
County.
9630.
Martha Runnion
Martha (17) Carpenter was born 1817-1820 and was unmarried in 1860.
4078.
Sudna Sidney Carpenter
In this record their is two Sudna Carpenters who married Samuel Tanner on the
same date. One of the Sudnas is in error and should be Sidney who married
Samuel Tanner on 5 Dec. 1791 per the History of Harrison County, West Virginia.
Samuel Tanner
SAMUEL & SUDAH (CARPENTER) MARRIAGE RECORDED MARR. BK.#1, PG 15 BOND BY
SAMUEL & THOMAS CARPENTER. STATE OF VIRGINIA.
Sidney Carpenter on marriage record not Sudna, m. by Rev. Joseph
Cheuvront.
NOTE: There is, at times, heated discussion of who was Samuel's spouse(s).
All can agree on "Sudna or Sidney or both." Who were her parents is another
question. So I will list 2 spouses until further detail can come out.
E-MAIL:
From: Rick Greathouse mailto:rick@greathouse.us>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:30 PM
To: John R. Carpenter mailto:jrcrin001@cox.net>
Subject: Samuel Tanner
You may have Samuel Tanner's deposition for Rev War pension... Thanks, Rick Greathouse rick@greathouse.us mailto:rick@greathouse.us> Archivist/Historian/Webmaster Greathouse Point Home of Guild Greathouse Admin Greathouse DNA Project
E-MAIL:
From: Rick Greathouse
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 3:07 PM
To: John R Carpenter
Subject: Re: Tanners, Carpenters and such, Oh My!
We have a mess with John Greathouse Sr. who married Sarah McDade. She was the daughter of James McDade and Rachel Tanner. Rachel Tanner was the daughter of Edward & Rachel [maiden name unknown] Tanner and a sister to Samuel Tanner who married Sudna Carpenter.
My lineage goes through Rachel Tanner and Samuel Tanner.
Edward & Rachel ? Tanner
..Rachel Tanner & James McDade
....Sarah McDade & John Greathouse Sr.
......Edward Greathouse & Elizabeth Matilda Blosser
........Isaac B. Greathouse & Sarah Tanner
..........Ervin M. Greathouse & Effie Leveary Webb
............Paul "Dick" Greathouse & Zadia Dale Price
..............Paul Richard Greathouse & Sharon Kay Boggs
................Richard Ivan Greathouse -> me
..Samuel Tanner & Sudna Carpenter
....Jesse Tanner & Judith Carpenter
......Sarah Tanner & Isaac B. Greathouse
........Ervin M. Greathouse & Effie Leveary Webb
..........Paul "Dick" Greathouse & Zadia Dale Price
............Paul Richard Greathouse & Sharon Kay Boggs
..............Richard Ivan Greathouse -> me
John Greathouse Sr. appeared near Evans, WV about 17 Sep 1806 when he announced his intentions to marry Sarah McDade in a marriage bond. It is almost like he walked out of of cloud leaving no trace to where he was residing before arrived at Evans, WV. Based on records he had the opportunity to state his age on between 1810 and 1866, he appears to have been born between March 1778 and 1782. If he was born in March 1778, then he was conceived about 9 months prior in June 1777, which would suggest his father was alive in June 1777, but perhaps not alive when he was born about March 1778. The only record which supports a March 1778 birth would be his headstone with inscription given by his son Edward Greathouse who ordered the headstone from a stone cutter in Ravenswood. I am thinking that Edward Greathouse may have become aware that his father was somewhat older than his father related to a Justice of the Peace, age 74 in 1856, so born about 1782.
There is some interesting individuals named in the household of John & Sarah McDade Greathouse as farm laborers in the 1850 census, Mordecai Stackhouse and Lewis Stackhouse. Mordecai was the son of Rohanah Greathouse who married John Stackhouse in Harrison County, VA in 1798. Lewis, son of Aaron Stackhouse was a grandson of Rohanah Greathouse Stackhouse.
I think that Rohanah Greathouse Stackhouse, Mordecai Stackhouse and Lewis Stackhouse knew what relationship John Greathouse Sr. was to them, but we don't.
If John Greathouse Sr. was born about March 1778, then there are two Greathouse males who died between 27 Sep 1777 and March 1778, who could have been the father of John Greathouse Sr.. Jacob Greathouse was killed during the Indian ambush of Cpt. William Foreman's Company on 27 Sep 1777. Daniel Greathouse was deceased by March 1778, when his brother John Greathouse was appointed administrator of the estate of Daniel Greathouse deceased.
Daniel Greathouse can be excluded from candidates who could have been the father of John Greathouse Sr. based on:
1799 - Paris District Court: Chancery Case # 3166, Gabriel Greathouse vs Andrew McCreery, Mary McCreery, Richard Morris and others
http://greathouse.us/archives/usa/ky/bourbon/1799-dep-greathouse-gabriel.htm
Allan W. Eckert was the first to conclude that Daniel Greathouse and Jacob Greathouse were brothers. I really hate to burst the bubble for the rest of the Greathouses who want to believe this, but it just is not so. I would grant that they were probably first cousins.
Johannes Adolph Grothaus & Anna Amelia Miller
..Johannes Grothaus, born 1721, moved to Philadelphia City about 1745 where he raised his family.
....Johannes Grothaus, born about 1745
....Maria Dorothea Grothaus, born about 1747, married Johannes Cramp in 1770, baptized children at German Reformed Church, Philadelphia City in 1772 [daughter], 1774 [daughter] and 1776 [Jacob].
....Jacob Grothaus, born about 1749, married Catharina Sybilla ? about 1770, baptized son Jacob on 5 Feb 1771 at St. Michael's and Zion Church, Philadelphia City. Worked as journeyman tanner with George Cooper, tanner, 3rd Street, Philadelphia City through March 1771.
....Henry Grothaus, born about 1750, may have been illegitimate Grothaus child baptized at German Reformed Church in May 1750, was renting lot in Middle Ward from John Ross in 1774.
..Herman Greathouse & Mary Stull
....John Greathouse, born 1752, m. Elizabeth
....Daniel Greathouse, born 1754, m. Mary Morris at Bruceton Mills about 1776.
......Gabriel Greathouse, born Jan 1777
Rick Greathouse
rick@greathouse.us
9639.
Elizabeth Tanner
Was there two Elizabeth Tanners in this family? One died young?
Elizabeth Tanner was born circa 1812 and married Benjamin Wright.
9641.
Joseph Tanner
Joseph Tanner married Nancy Miller 17 August 1821 in Mason County,
Virginia- now West Virginia. Joseph and Jesse Tanners' marriage records are
found in Point Pleasant (Reverend Benjamin Wright's original records may be
inspected in Cottageville), West Virginia. This Nancy Miller has not been
linked with the pioneers, Samuel and/or Joshua Miller, and remains
unidentified as far as family is concerned.
Nancy Miller probably married Joseph Carpenter also.
Nancy Miller
Two Millers listed. Nancy Miller & ? Miller. Probably the same but maybe
sisters?
9646.
Artimethia Tanner
There was at least one other child in this family- perhaps an ?Artimethia?
9647.
Louise Tanner
Louise Tanner married Basil Miller. No further information.
9648.
Mary Wright
Mary Tanner was born around 1810. No further information.
4080.
Soloman Carpenter
Solomon Carpenter Compact Disc #13 Pin #4773
Hannah
Hannah Carpenter Compact Disc #13 Pin #4774
4081.
John F. Carpenter
SUBMITTER:
Descendants supplied by GEDCOM in Novmber 2022 by Julia Carpenter at Julia julia_carpenter@sbcglobal.net
CAUTION:
Different parents given as per received earlier. Spouses uncertain!
Best guess is that Dr. John L. Carpenter b, abt 1752 is parent but unknown mother.
Descendant of Thomas Carpenter b. abt 1750 has a descendant that is in another genetic group.
DEATH:
Some give 6 Feb 1845 as death date but that is a Probate date and listing of items for probate.
Other probate dates are in May 1845.
Best guess is that this John Carpenter died about January 1845.
ANCESTRY: Carpenter Family by Bette Carpenter
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/154520585/person/132049372233/facts
Parents
Thomas Carpenter 1750–1819
Margaret 1750–
Spouse
Mary Polly Major 1780–1840
Spouse & Children
Mary "Polly" Wheeler 1775–
Alexander A Carpenter 1792–1868
Alexander Carpenter
Spouse & Children
Private
William Carpenter 1815–1849
Ancestry Sources
1820 United States Federal Census
1830 United States Federal Census
1840 United States Federal Census
Ancestry Family Trees
Virginia, Compiled Marriages, 1660-1800
Virginia, Compiled Marriages, 1740-1850
West Virginia, Wills and Probate Records, 1724-1985
FSFTID # L7NW-5GL
NOTE:
I have never seen anything that would suggest that this line of Carpenters originated in nor ended up in Georgia, especially with John F. Carpenter's Estate being settled in Cabell County, (W) VA. Most research leads into southern VA where John F. and Polly Wheeler Carpenter have land records in Greenbrier Co., VA. The close proximity of the Carpenters in Roane/Jackson Co., (W)VA would suggest that there might be a connection with John F. Carpenter. Lewisburg, WV also puts John F. Carpenter and wife Polly, in the neighborhood of Joseph Carpenter, known to live on Potts Creek in Alleghany Co. VA. For many Carpenter researchers, they remain elusive. There is always a puzzle piece missing. Included here are notes I have collected over the years from various places and from several researchers:
RESEARCH INFORMATION:
Karen;
After the RevWar started, the United States started the Personal Property Tax system that replaced the Tithables used by the Colonies.? In Virginia
it started in 1782.? These are on microfilms and available through LDS/Morman Family History Centers.? Although some snippits (extracted for
particular families) are on line, I know of no complete sets online.
Jim Bartlett
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In November of 1781, the Virginia legislature enacted the first law to collect taxes on land and personal property. It can found in Hening's
Statutes at Large, Vol. X, p. 500-517.
With respect to personal property, the act directed the following:
1. Every free male person over age 21, ten shillings (this included free blacks)
2. all slaves, ten shillings
3. each horse, mare, colt and mule, two shillings
4. cattle, 3 pence per head
5. Each wheel of a coach, chariot, paheton, chaise or stage wagon, riding carriages, 5 shillings per wheel
6. Billiard tables, 50 Pounds each (obviously a true luxury)
7. Ordinary licenses, 5 pounds
Contrary to popular myth, the tax collector did not visit each household individually to assess the contents. This system carried over from the colonial times (and in to the modern day), whereby the person responsible for paying the tax turned in his list to the local tax commissioner. One key component of this particular act was the anyone owning slaves was also to supply the tax commissioner with the names of the slaves in his possession. The 1782 list is the only list
which universally lists the slaves by name.
In the case of absentee owners, the overseer of the plantation was designated as the agent and was responsible for turning in the list of taxable property.
The penalty for concealing taxable property was 500 pounds of tobacco.
This Act is quite lengthy and this is only a thumbnail version of it.
It was amended many times over the years, and the items that were taxable continued to change, and the age of white male tithables was sometimes age 16, not age 21.
Now, it has has also been suggested that all white males over 21 were automatically listed as a person chargable with a tax and ergo, when their names first appear on a tax list, it means they were 21 years old THAT YEAR. This is not the case. It is more common that a man first appears on the tax list as "the person chargable with the tax" when he is first married and heading his own household. If that man were, say 25 years old, and living in his father's household, he would be among the tithes of the father's household. Unless of course the father insisted he pay his own head tax. I don't think we can say there is a "rule" about this. We are lucky when we find a tax lists that lists all of the white male tithes on the list under one house hold.
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Although as John wrote there can be geographic patterns in the tithable and tax lists, what I've found in Hening's Statutes and in Court records say the individual tax payer (or in some cases an overseer for his employer) was required to turn in his/her list to the appropriate official and was not visited door to door.
The Library of Virginia's article about Colonial Tithables describes how the various laws required people to turn in their list of tithables to the justice or district captain or commissioner by a certain time, then they in turn had to submit their lists to the next higher authority by a deadline, etc.
See:
I'd like to address something that is often a mistaken assumption.
That is that tax commissioners went door to door to assess people's land and, more specifically, their personal property holdings.
This is not the case. People were responsible for turning in their own list of taxable property. Prior to the revolution, this would be their tithe lists. Starting in 1782, this would be both tithables (white males over 16, slaves, horses, cows--the lists change from time to time as to what was taxable.)
The tax man did not go personally inspect each house hold. Just as today, you are responsible for reporting your taxable property (a car, a boat, a plane, a tractor, etc.)
Since most of these lists are arranged by first letter of the last name (some of the earlier ones are simply in the order that the lists were turned in), the best clue (and it's only a clue) is to be careful to note on which day the tax commissioner received the information. This can be quite helpful when working with several people of the same last name. If a certain group of men are consistently turning in their reports on the same day (and therefore listed as one consecutive group) and a few others of the last name are consistently not among that group, this can be helpful in sorting out family relationships.
But, unlike the census taker, the tax man did not go door to door. There are many, many court records both colonial and post colonial, where people were fined for turning in their lists. In colonial times, a nosy neighbor could turn you in for under reporting your full list of tithables.
While legally any white male over 16 was tithable, it was also the custom to put that event off for a couple of years. Still, one can often determine a very idea of a birth year of such a white male when
he first shows up on the tithe list. However, sometimes he will just show up as an additional tithe in his father's household until he sets
up his own household, which of course would be at marriage. Therefore, these lists can also be a useful clue in determining a year of marriage when no marriage records exist.
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Beginning in 1782, the old quit rent system for taxing land was replaced by the land tax. This has a long history of how it was developed (involving many disputes between the various colonies on how
to pay for war debts and the discrepency in land values from state to state) but for purposes of genealogical research, that is not very important.
The 1782 list will give owners name, acreage, assessed value and tax due. From 1783-1787, the list consist only of "alterations", that is,
transfers from one party to another.
Have you been unable to figure out how land got to one owner from another? This is your guide to finding out. It has come in as the only solution to an inheritance or death or unrecorded deed many a time.
These are generally not alphabetical. To the extent they are it will be by the former owner, not the new owner. Thus, you must go through each list carefully. You will want to compare amounts of acreage to be certain.
A short cut to doing this is that if the 1788 list shows the same property to the same owner as in 1782, no change had been made and you can roll merrily along. If, however, the person taxed in 1782 is not taxed in 1788, you'll need to go through the alterations lists from 1783 to 1787.
However, for any period after 1788 when you cannot find a deed of transfer, or a will, some lists still give the alterations at the end of each list. Not always, but often. You will always want to check the end of any tax list--personal property or land--for such notes. In many cases, this might lead you to a record that is not indexed under
the names you are seeking (especially in cases where commissioners were charged with selling a deceased land, and the case of unrecorded deeds, or simple inheritances.)
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What I wrote below deserves some clarification. On the personal property tax lists, if a man is listed but shows "0" white tithes, you can be nearly certain he is living somewhere else--either in another district within the same county or in another county altogether.
Land tax lists are sometimes a bit more helpful, in later years. Many lists will begin to state where the residence of the person being taxes is, if not tin he same locale.
One last note, it is often stated by many researchers that the tax lists for 1808 in Virginia are missing. They are not missing. They never existed. The General Assembly that year declared that there were sufficient revenues in the public coffers to forego a tax in that year. That is probably the first and only time in history that has ever happened.
Craig
On Sep 6, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Craig Kilby wrote:
It should also be kept in mind that one did not necessarily LIVE in the county for which he was being taxed. He may live in Culpeper but own a farm in Madison and be taxed for both the land and whatever personal property he had there. He will also be taxed in Culpeper.
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They did not usually have to travel to the court house. They travelled to the home of the tax commissioner for their district. The first few years of Culpeper County are divided into at least 13 separate districts (if memory serves me correctly)--which makes it quite a chore to find the right
VA OFFICE OF LAND GRANTS AND PATENT:
18 Oct 1787 John Carpenter; Greenbrier Co., VA; 100 acres on the head waters of Hands Creek, a branch of New River; adjoining the lands of Tim Sulivan Grant # 15 1787 p.151
3 Feb 1792 John Carpenter; Greenbrier Co., VA; 200 acres on Swobe's Knob adjoining the land of Shadrack Harraman. Grant # 25 1791-92 pl 512
5 Feb. 1799 John Carpenter; Greenbrier; 200 acres on north west side of Elk River the second Bottom above the mouth of Sandy Creek a branch of Elk River Grant #42 p. 204 **approximate birth date was estimated from 1787 Land Grant on Hand's Creek
GREENBRIER COURT: John Carpenter served on a jury 1811.
1 Oct 1833 John F. Carpenter; Cabell Co, VA 123 acres on Trace Fork of Mud River Grant # 82 1833 p. 367
1 Jul 1836 John F. Carpenter; Cabell Co., VA 125 acres on Trace Fork of Mud River Grant # 36 1836 p. 157
30 Oct. 1838 John F. Carpenter; Cabell Co., VA 170 acres on NE side of Trace Fork of Mud River Grant # 88 1838 p. 580 !FHL FILM #464 939
MARRIAGE: John Carpenter and Polly Wheeler 21 May 1797 minister Josiah Osborne
GREENBRIER VA LAND GRANTS FROM SIMS LAND GRANTS INDEX:
John Carpenter: 1787: 100 acres on Hand's Creek, Bk. 2 p. 3; 1792; 200 acres on Swobe's Knob Bk 2 p. 416:
1799: 200 acres on Elk's Run (approximate date of birth is estimated from the 1787 Land Grant on Hand's Creek)
GENERAL INDEX TO DEEDS, ETC., CABELL CO., W.VA GRANTEES
1828 John Carpenter buys 120 acres on Trace Fork from Thomas Wyatt,etal. Bk 4 p.507
1836 John F. Carpenter sells 102 acres to his son Alexander Carpenter on Trace Fork of Mud River. and in Bk. 7 p 508 1838 Alexander resells 20 of those acres to his father John F. Carpenter Bk 7 p 510
1840 John F Carpenter sells 175 acres on Trace Fork of Mud River to his son William Carpenter Bk 7 p 512 !1840 Census Cabell Co., VA p. 042
WILLS, APPRAISALS, SALES, AND SETTLEMENTS OF CABELL CO., WEST VIRGINIA 1809-1853 1946 #31226 P 317 JOHN F. CARPENTER - APPRAISAL FEB. 6, 1845 by William Beckett, Joseph Wheeler, Thomas Beckett
P318 JOHN F. CARPENTER-SALE: FEB 6,1845 BUYERS at SALE: Widow Carpenter, Alexander Carpenter, Elijah Tacket, William Carpenter, James Carpenter, Thomas Carpenter, John E. Paul, Charles Conner, Daniel Paul, Joseph Paul, Joseph E. Paul, Robert B. Thompson, Brice Paul, Robert Smith, Green Roberts, James Paul Jr., Jesse Paul.
Internet: VA State Library: Land Grants
John Carpenter 1787 Head water of Hands Creek Branch of New River adjoining Tim Sullivan in Greenbrier Co., VA
John Carpenter 1792 Swobe's Knob Greenbrier Co., VA
John Carpenter 1799 on Elk River, Greenbrier Co., VA
FHL FILM #007 811 KENTUCKY CO., VA COMMONWEALTH GRANTS: LAND CLAIMED BY SETTLERS
*not sure this is the same John Carpenter Book H p.29
25 Nov. 1783 John Carpenter 25 Nov. 1783 265 acres adjoining his settlement on the east p.30
25 Nov. 1783 John Carpenter 735 acres adjoining his settlement on the south and 400 on the dividing ridge between Green River and the Hanging Fork beginning about 3/4 of a mile Northeast from Carpenter's Station.(KY-Zimmerman) Book O p. 474
10 Jul 1786 John Carpenter 200 acres on the south fork of Rolling Fork about 3/4 miles from the head of the Cumberland Trace (KY-Zimmerman) Book 3 p.____
10 Jul 1786 John Carpenter 400 acres on the waters of Carpenter's Creek, branch of Green River, adjoining Thomas Montgomery.(KY) p. 468
14 Aug 1786 John Carpenter 14 Aug. 1786 300 acres on the main fork of Otter Creek and the right hand fork of the same adjoining Henry Field's pre emption of 400 acres on the north and east. p.339
16 Nov. 1791 Elizabeth Carpenter, executrix; Conrod Carpenter and Adam Carpenter, sons of John CArpenter, Dec. on the south fork of Rolling Fork of Salt River adjoining Adam Carpenter's survey of 231 acres (KY-Zimmerman)
1830 Census Kanawha Co., VA JOHN CARPENTER: 1 (5/10); 1 (10/15); 1 (15/20); 1 (50/60) females: 1(10/15); 1 (15/20); 1(20/30); 1(30/40)
1787 January Greenbrier Court: John Miller appt'd overseer of road from Wallace Estills to John Carpenters with tithables down Indian Creek from head to James Ellisons.
This Georgia state resident: John Carpenter is not the same individual as the one listed on this page. No relationship to the John F Carpenter who died in Kanawha Co, VA (WV) that I can see.
To: DONNA
John Carpenter, born c1774-1780. He resided in Lincoln Co. GA in 1820, died probably c1820s. Children from the 1820 census: 1. Son Carpenter, born c1794-1804 -- ?Thomas Carpenter of Coweta Co. GA. 2. Son Carpenter, born c1802-1804 -- ?Zachariah Carpenter. Note: instead of two sons, this enumeration could have been for one son enumerated twice due to the way the census was set up. There may be other sons and daughters, but that is unclear at this time. _________ This is the best I have at present, but am hoping to continue the effort and better define the descendants. If you find anyone in GA doing research on these families who could get us some info from the archives, I'd love to hear from them. Regards, Terry
Mary Wheeler
FSFTID # LHGX-1Y7
SUBMITTER:
Descendants supplied by GEDCOM in Novmber 2022 by Julia Carpenter at Julia julia_carpenter@sbcglobal.net
9652.
John F. Carpenter Jr.
FSFTID # 9K61-JPG
9653.
Elias Eli Carpenter
FSFTID # 9C38-HVP
9654.
Elizabeth Carpenter
FSFTID # LH6X-BF6
4088.
Zophar Carpenter
CAUTION:
HIGHLY LIKELY intermixed data with father of the same name. AND THAT THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME. OR This Zophar is really Robert the son of Zophar Carpenter-5754.
NOT listed in in the Carpenter Family in America book of 1901.
CLAIM:
Zophar, Jr. was a drummer in Capt. Dickerson's Rangers in Augusta Va.
He was a Patriot, he served in the Revolutionary War.
This Zophar is not mentioned in his father's 1794 will indicating he died
previously. Descendants of Zopher supplied by :
Charles Carpenter of Pocatello, Idaho 83204.
WARNING:
Gerald Reid Tudor indicates that there was only one Zophar Carpenter and Charles has
the two Zophar families intermixed.
E-MAIL: Some misc. info:
>From: "GT" Now at: g2door@roadrunner.com
>Subject: Zophar
>Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:28:44 -0400
>She died Aug. 14th A.D. 1832 Aged 97 years.
>An inventory was taken at Mary Carpenters later.
>This means he was in the area earlier.
> "" meant and to who?
>Zophoe Carpenter appointed Surveyor of the Road, in room of
>William Wooley, who is discharged from that office.
>Zopher appointed Surveyor of the Road from Fort Defiance (Boyle's Allum
>Rock) and the tithables who usually wrought thereon do attend him.
> & c.
>It is unlikely that he served again as a Drummer).
>(later research by Oma Glasburn Robinson and others proves the
>original record to say Zopher instead of Joseph).
>Furnished supplies to the soldiers-wheat, corn, and one time
>400lbs. of beef. (does not say for what war).
>Zophar in court due to indebtedness to Israel Christian incurred on the
>21st of Dec1765 for one shilling six pence for three Jews Harps.
> " " the above individuals).
>Zophar first appears in the Madison Co., VA tax list. (This is one year
>before Madison Co. became a Kentucky County.)
>(Later, seven acres of the 300 would be claimed by the Ambrose
>Ross estate which joined to the south. This was taken into consideration
>when Rufus Carpenter had the land surveyed in 1846.
>Her husband, also a descendant, owns another joining 10 or 13
>acres. Officials then could not verify the marriage as the
>minister did not make a return to the court house.
> "" It is possible that the mother of Rachel Reed Carpenter
>was a Davis, and that the McCarthy belongs to Mary, wife of Zophar. (NO
>PROOF) If Zophar married his step-mother, is it
>likely that they would name a second son Rufus and possibly a daughter
>Mary? For the children of Zophar and Mary, they will be forth
>coming in other notes. 4Jul1998
CENSUS: 1820 US Census - NOTE - this was once claimed as being Zophar. But is clearly just a Z.
Name: Z Carpenter
Event Place: Garrard, Garrard, Kentucky
Page Number: 120
Affiliate Publication Number: M33
Affiliate Film Number: 21
GS Film number: 0186181
Digital Folder Number: 004433283
Image Number: 00136
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1820," index and images, (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHLR-N5S : accessed 03 May 2014), Z Carpenter, Garrard, Garrard, Kentucky; citing "1820 United States Federal Census," p. 120, NARA microfilm publication M33, roll 21, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0186181.
NOTE: Next door is a Jeny Carpenter
9655.
Mary Carpenter
MARRIAGE: m. 11May1792: Mary Carpenter married Alexander Boyle, son of John Boyle. John's daughter, Ann, later married Zenith Carpenter on 23 Mar 1793. These are neighbors and have close ties in land transactions.
E-MAIL: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 From: "Timothy Bell"
Thank you for letting me know about the cd set. My ancestor Alexander Boyle, son of Major John Boyle and Jane Black Boyle, married Mary Carpenter, according to research on the internet she was the daughter of Zophar Carpenter. Do you know if this is correct? If it is I will order the cd set right away. Please let me know.
Sincerely, Lavinia Bell.
9657.
Leah Carpenter
MARRIAGE: 20 Nov 1793: Leah Carpenter married Thomas Tinsley. Zenith
Carpenter is the bondsman. Later Rufus Carpenter gives proof of age for
Levisa Tinsley in her marriage to a Hugh Ross. Levisa is most likely
the daughter of Leah and Thomas. Leah and Thomas are completely lost
from the scene after their marriage. There was an early Thomas Tinsley
who was a minister and likewise was heard of no more. Could have been
the same as preachers moved about (NO PROOF).
9658.
Rachel Carpenter
MARRIAGE: 13 Dec 1799: Rachel Carpenter married Stephen McCollum.
There is less convincing evidence for Rachel as a daughter, but the
marriage took place in the newly formed Garrard Co. and there were no
other Carpenters except Zophar and his family. Certainly, none of these
ladies would have been on the frontier without family. Therefore, it
looks like Zophar had this one for a daughter also. There is a
McCollum connection to the Carpenters through the Reed/Reid family. In
1808, John Reed either made his will and / or it was proved on the same
date or in the same year. The court papers do not say when proved. In
his will are sons, John and Andrew; a daughter Rachel, who in the same
year married Rufus Carpenter, son of Zophar. The will also put to
Rufus' charge, the care and education of a David McCollum. This same
David later married a Polly Gentry in neighboring Lincoln Co. He later
moved to Missouri at about the same time Zophar's youngest son Robert
went west. David took as his second wife, Nancy Carpenter, daughter of
Robert. An 1889 short biography of David McCollum reports that, "His
father, his grandfather, and his great-grandfather were all named Davy;"
that he was born in Garrard Co., Ky., Jan 22, 1802. His mother was
Polly Reed. This Polly had to be a sister to Rachel who married Rufus
Carpenter and probably died in child birth or shortly after David was
born. Knowing that Rachel, his daughter was to be married or was
already married to Rufus, was incentive and agreeable to all that David
would be in good hands. At least the family ties continued. As to how
close Stephen, husband of Rachel Carpenter McCollum was to the other
McCollums is uncertain. Stephens bond was signed by a Daniel McCollum.
Perhaps he was a brother to David, the father of young David who was put
in the care of Rufus. As with the Tinsleys, there is no further
knowledge of Rachel and Stephen.
4089.
Elizabeth Carpenter
Charles Carpenter has this Elizabeth of Zophar Jr. but birth date would
indicate Zophar, Sr.
MARRIAGE:
Name: David Glassburn
Birth Date: null
Birthplace: null
Age: null
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Carpenter
Spouse's Birth Date: null
Spouse's Birthplace: null
Spouse's Age: null
Event Date: 18 Mar 1778
Event Place: Botetourt, Virginia
Father's Name: null
Mother's Name: null
Spouse's Father's Name: Zopher Carpenter
Spouse's Mother's Name: Mary Carpenter
Race: null
Marital Status: null
Previous Wife's Name: null
Spouse's Race: null
Spouse's Marital Status: null
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: null
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M86871-7
System Origin: Virginia-EASy
GS Film number: 30734
Reference ID: Pg 7
Citing this Record:
"Virginia, Marriages, 1785-1940," index, (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XRC3-2QS : accessed 03 May 2014), Zopher Carpenter in entry for David Glassburn and Elizabeth Carpenter, 18 Mar 1778; citing Botetourt, Virginia, reference Pg 7; FHL microfilm 30734.
4090.
Zenas "Zenith or Zenes" Carpenter
NAME: Zenas recorded as Zenes/Zenith.
Zenas, a first-century Christian mentioned in Paul’s letter to Titus (New Testament, Titus 3:13).
BIRTH: Some say he was born in Boteourt county, VA.
PRF: Death date given - but use caution - no proof given.
"Pedigree Resource File," database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/997W-N28 : accessed 2014-05-03), entry for Zenes\Zenith\Zuris Carpenter, submitted by swheeler2724739.
submission id:MM95-X8J
contributor:swheeler2724739 date:10/15/2000
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TAX: 1800 Tax Census
Name: Tenus Carpenter
State: KY
County: Garrard County
Township: No Township Listed
Year: 1800
Record Type: Tax list
Database: KY Early Census Index
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Kentucky, Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index, 1810-1890 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999.
Original data: Jackson, Ron V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp.. Kentucky Census, 1810-1890. Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.
SEE ALSO: image
Name: Tenus Carpenter
Residence County: Garrard
Residence Year: 1800
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Kentucky, Tax Lists, 1799-1801 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006.
Original data: Clift, G. Glenn. Second Census of Kentucky, 1800. Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2005.
CENSUS: 1810 US Census
Name: Lerith Carpenter [Zenith Carpenter]
Home in 1810 (City, County, State): Lancaster, Garrard, Kentucky
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 15: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44 : 1
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 3
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1
Number of Household Members Under 16: 8
Number of Household Members Over 25: 2
Number of Household Members: 12
Source Citation
Year: 1810; Census Place: Lancaster, Garrard, Kentucky; Roll: 6; Page: 206; Image: 00222; Family History Library Film: 0181351
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1810 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Third Census of the United States, 1810. (NARA microfilm publication M252, 71 rolls). Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
CENSUS: 1820 US Census - Probably Zenith?
Name: Z Carpenter
Home in 1820 (City, County, State): Garrard, Garrard, Kentucky
Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 3
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 15: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 18: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 2
Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25: 2
Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1
Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture: 4
Free White Persons - Under 16: 7
Free White Persons - Over 25: 2
Total Free White Persons: 13
Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 13
Source Citation
1820 U S Census; Census Place: Garrard, Garrard, Kentucky; Page: 120; NARA Roll: M33_21; Image: 136
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1820 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fourth Census of the United States, 1820. (NARA microfilm publication M33, 142 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
CENSUS: 1830 US Census
Name: Smith Carpenter [Zenith Carpenter]
Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Rockcastle, Kentucky
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 14: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 15 thru 19: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 50 thru 59: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 14: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 15 thru 19: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 20 thru 29: 1
Free White Persons - Under 20: 5
Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 1
Total Free White Persons: 7
Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 7
Source Citation
1830; Census Place: Rockcastle, Kentucky; Series: M19; Roll: 41; Page: 88; Family History Library Film: 0007820
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1830 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fifth Census of the United States, 1830. (NARA microfilm publication M19, 201 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
Ann Boyle
POSSIBLE DUPLICATE OF 34856?
PARENTS:
John Boyle abt 1750 - Sept 1824
Jane Black abt 1751 - 7 Dec 1801
4092.
Rufus Carpenter
NOTE:
Rachel Carpenter, widow of Rufus Carpenter lately returned from Missouri in
1870. There may have been 2 Rufus Carpenter about one generation apart.
Which one fought in the War of 1812 is a question. A Rachel Carpenter applied
for a pension that revealed which one and her maiden name.
NOTE: The other Rufus, son of Christian, son of Robert then Zophar. Same ancestor as this Rufus.
PICTURES: Data provided by Gerald Tudor. g2door@roadrunner.com mailto:g2door@roadrunner.com>
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/t/u/d/Gerald-R-Tudor/
SEE: MISC PICS. RIN 20270
Rufus Carpenter. son of Zophar, born Botetourt County, VA, came with his family
to what became Garrard Co., KY
in 1790-91. He married 1808 to Rachel Alexander Reid, born Greenville
District or County, South Carolina. Rufus
served in the War of 1812 under John Faulkner and Richardson. His marker
is in the Carpenter Cemetery on the land his father homesteaded.
TAX: 1800 Tax list
Name: Rufus Carpenter
State: KY
County: Garrard County
Township: No Township Listed
Year: 1800
Record Type: Tax list
Database: KY Early Census Index
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Kentucky, Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index, 1810-1890 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999.
Original data: Jackson, Ron V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp.. Kentucky Census, 1810-1890. Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.
SEE ALSO: image
Name: Rufus Carpenter
Residence County: Garrard
Residence Year: 1800
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Kentucky, Tax Lists, 1799-1801 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006.
Original data: Clift, G. Glenn. Second Census of Kentucky, 1800. Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2005.
PENSION: for 1813 service during the War of 1812
Soldier: Rufus Carpenter
Widow: Rachel A Carpenter
Marriage Date: 10 Mar 1808
Date Enlisted: 25 Aug 1813
Date Discharged: 25 Nov 1813
Soldier's Death Date: 19 Mar 1846
Soldier's Death Place: Garrard Co KY
Military Service Location: Kentucky
Pension Number - #1: Wid Orig 3113
Pension Number - #2: Wid Ctf 1643
Bounty Land Number - #1: 68324 40 50
Bounty Land Number - #2: 75913 120 55
Roll number: 16
Archive Publication Number: M313
Source Information
Ancestry.com. War of 1812 Pension Application Files Index, 1812-1815 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010.
Original data: War of 1812 Pension Applications. Washington D.C.: National Archives. NARA Microfilm Publication M313, 102 rolls. Records of the Department of Veterans Affairs, Record Group Number 15.
CENSUS: 1810 US Census
Name: Rufuy Carpenter [Rufus Carpenter]
Home in 1810 (City, County, State): Lancaster, Garrard, Kentucky
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44 : 1
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25: 1
Number of Household Members Under 16: 3
Number of Household Members Over 25: 1
Number of Household Members: 5
Source Citation
Year: 1810; Census Place: Lancaster, Garrard, Kentucky; Roll: 6; Page: 206; Image: 00222; Family History Library Film: 0181351
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1810 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Third Census of the United States, 1810. (NARA microfilm publication M252, 71 rolls). Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
CENSUS: 1820 US Census
Name: Rufus Carpenter
Home in 1820 (City, County, State): Garrard, Garrard, Kentucky
Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 3
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 15: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44: 1
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1
Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture: 1
Free White Persons - Under 16: 5
Free White Persons - Over 25: 2
Total Free White Persons: 7
Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 7
Source Citation
1820 U S Census; Census Place: Garrard, Garrard, Kentucky; Page: 112; NARA Roll: M33_21; Image: 128
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1820 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fourth Census of the United States, 1820. (NARA microfilm publication M33, 142 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
CENSUS: 1830 US Census
Name: Rufus Carpenter
Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Garrard, Kentucky
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 14: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 15 thru 19: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 40 thru 49: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 14: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 15 thru 19: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 30 thru 39: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 80 thru 89: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 90 thru 99: 1
Slaves - Males - Under 10: 2
Slaves - Females - Under 10: 1
Slaves - Females - 24 thru 35: 1
Free White Persons - Under 20: 5
Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 2
Total Free White Persons: 9
Total Slaves: 4
Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 13
Source Citation
1830; Census Place: Garrard, Kentucky; Series: M19; Roll: 36; Page: 254; Family History Library Film: 0007815
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1830 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fifth Census of the United States, 1830. (NARA microfilm publication M19, 201 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
CENSUS: 1840 US Census
Name: Rufus Carpenter
Event Place: Not Stated, Garrard, Kentucky
Page Number: 42
Affiliate Publication Number: M704
Affiliate Film Number: 111
GS Film number: 0007826
Digital Folder Number: 004409526
Image Number: 00086
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1840," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHR1-THZ : accessed 30 Apr 2013), Rufus Carpenter, Not Stated, Garrard, Kentucky; citing "1840 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 42, NARA microfilm publication M704, roll 111, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0007826.
SEE ALSO:
Name: Rufus Carpenter
Home in 1840 (City, County, State): Garrard, Kentucky
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 14: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 15 thru 19: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 60 thru 69: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 15 thru 19: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 20 thru 29: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 50 thru 59: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 60 thru 69: 1
Persons Employed in Agriculture: 7
No. White Persons over 20 Who Cannot Read and Write: 1
Free White Persons - Under 20: 3
Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 1
Total Free White Persons: 7
Total All Persons - Free White, Free Colored, Slaves: 7
Source Citation
Year: 1840; Census Place: Garrard, Kentucky; Roll: 111; Page: 42; Image: 86; Family History Library Film: 0007826
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1840 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Sixth Census of the United States, 1840. (NARA microfilm publication M704, 580 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
GRAVE: image
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=6981024
Rufus Carpenter
Birth: Nov. 25, 1778
Death: Mar. 19, 1846
Burial:
Carpenter Cemetery
Paint Lick
Garrard County
Kentucky, USA
Plot:
Created by: Nancy House Perry
Record added: Dec 01, 2002
Find A Grave Memorial# 6981024
Rachel Alexander Reid
CENSUS: 1860 - with son Christian.
GRAVE: images
Rachel Alexander Reid Carpenter
Birth: 17 Aug 1788 Greenville County, South Carolina, USA
Death: 29 May 1871 (aged 82) Paint Lick, Garrard County, Kentucky, USA
Burial: Carpenter Cemetery, Paint Lick, Garrard County, Kentucky, USA
Memorial #: 6981025
Bio:
dau. of John and Elizabeth Reid
w/o Rufus a veteran of the War of 1812
Family Members
Spouse
Rufus Carpenter 1778-1846
Created by: Nancy House Perry (46493121)
Added: 1 Dec 2002
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/6981025/rachel-alexander-carpenter
Citation: Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/6981025/rachel-alexander-carpenter : accessed 26 September 2021), memorial page for Rachel Alexander Reid Carpenter (17 Aug 1788–29 May 1871), Find a Grave Memorial ID 6981025, citing Carpenter Cemetery, Paint Lick, Garrard County, Kentucky, USA ; Maintained by Nancy House Perry (contributor 46493121) .
UPDATED from the old memorial at:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=57274816
Rachel Alexander Reid Carpenter
Birth: Aug. 17, 1788
Greenville County
South Carolina, USA
Death: May 25, 1871
Paint Lick
Garrard County
Kentucky, USA
Rachel Alexander Carpenter, wife of Rufus Carpenter, dau. of John and Elizabeth Reid who were married in County Down, Ireland abt. 1773 based upon Rachel's deposition concerning her father's Rev. War Service and revealing her full name which is not Boyle as found on find A Grave Carpenter Cem., Garrard Co., KY.
Burial:
Carpenter Cemetery
Paint Lick
Garrard County
Kentucky, USA
Created by: Gerald Tudor
Record added: Aug 18, 2010
Find A Grave Memorial# 57274816
9672.
Jeremiah Carpenter
Garrard county was created out of Madison in 1797.
Some researchers do not agree that Jeremiah belongs in this family.
4093.
Robert Carpenter
BIRTH: 29 Apr 1783 in Charles Carpenter record, 29 May 1783 in another
record. Not born in Augusta county, VA. He was born in Madison county, KY.
Terry Lee Carpenter comments:
Perhaps it should also be noted that no birth date is given on Robert's gravestone -- his date of birth has been calculated from his age at death, 81 years, 11 months, and 24 days on 22 Mar 1865, which works out to 26 Mar 1783 by most calculators. Calculating age at death depended on the memory of the individual or his family and the math skills of the person doing the calculation, so could be off by a significant amount. Different transcribers get different day and month numbers, but agree on the 1783 year. TLC
NOTE: This area was Kentucky county, VA before 1780. After 1780 it was
Lincoln county, VA then KY then in 1786 Madison KY Territory. In 1792 KY
became a state.
Garrad County, KY was formed in 1797.
Robert Carpenter moved to Missouri or Kansas about 1852?
He is not Robert Carpenter-20271 who is from a Zimmerman line.
CHILDREN: Children order and no birth dates given in both records, except as
indicated.
E-MAIL: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 From: "Judy Morgan"
Hello John,
I saw your post on GenForum. You seem to be quite knowledgable on the
Carpenters. I have Carpenters from Kentucky and Missouri.
Do you recognize any of my Carpenters? I am at a dead end.
Zopher Carpenter, b. 1733 d. Garrard Co., Kentucky
I only know of one son:
Robert Carpenter, b. May 29, 1783 in Botetourt Co., Virginia, -married Mary
Elizabeth Ross on April 5, 1806 in Garrard Co., Kentucky, -d. May 22, 1865.
Robert and Mary had four children that I know of, there could be more.
Rachel Carpenter b. October 5, 1824 in Garrard Co., Ky,- married John M.
Brannaman on November 9, 1847 in Garrard Co., Ky d. November 11, 1878 in Platte Co.,
Missouri .
Christian Carpenter, no further info.
John (Jack) Carpenter, no further info.
Rauza Jane Carpenter b. August 18, 1822 in Garrard Co., Ky,- married
James Coleman, d. October 9, 1899 in Platte Co., Missouri.
My line is Zopher, Robert & Mary, Rachel & John, then on to Beard and Thompson
(which is my maiden name.) If you know any information on any
of these, I would really appreciate hearing from you. I also
saw your post about the Carpenter CD. You can add any of my info if it is
usable. In addition,
please let me know how I can obtain a CD when it becomes available.
Thank you for your time. Judy (Thompson) Morgan, judym43@qnet.com
MARRIAGE: 1806
Name: Robert Carpenter
Birth Date: null
Birthplace: null
Age: null
Spouse's Name: Polly Ross
Spouse's Birth Date: null
Spouse's Birthplace: null
Spouse's Age: null
Event Date: 05 Apr 1806
Event Place: Garrard County, Kentucky
Father's Name: null
Mother's Name: null
Spouse's Father's Name: Ambrose Ross
Spouse's Mother's Name: null
Race: null
Marital Status: null
Previous Wife's Name: null
Spouse's Race: null
Spouse's Marital Status: null
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: null
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01079-2
System Origin: Kentucky-EASy
GS Film number: 183256
Reference ID: 406 pg 86
Citing this Record:
"Kentucky Marriages, 1785-1979," index, (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FW5D-FXT : accessed 03 May 2014), Robert Carpenter and Polly Ross, 05 Apr 1806; citing Garrard County, Kentucky, reference 406 pg 86; FHL microfilm 183256.
SEE ALSO:
MARRIAGE: 1806
Name: Robert Carpenter
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 5 Apr 1806
Marriage Place: Garrard, Kentucky, USA
Spouse: Polly Ross
Film Number: 000183256
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Kentucky, County Marriages, 1783-1965 [database on-line]. Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016.
Original data: Marriage Records. Kentucky Marriages. FamilySearch, Salt Lake City, UT.
SEE ALSO:
Name: Robert Carpenter
Marriage Date: 5 Apr 1806
Marriage Place: Garrard, Kentucky, USA
Spouse: Polly Ross
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Kentucky, Compiled Marriages, 1802-1850 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1997.
Original data: Dodd, Jordan, Comp.. Kentucky Marriages to 1850. Electronic transcription of marriage records held by the individual counties in Kentucky.
CENSUS: 1810 US Census
Name: Robt Carpenter
Event Place: Lancaster, Garrard, Kentucky
Page Number: 206
Line Number: 940
Affiliate Publication Number: M252
Affiliate Film Number: 6
GS Film number: 0181351
Digital Folder Number: 004433225
Image Number: 00222
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1810," index and images, (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XH2H-1G5 : accessed 03 May 2014), Robt Carpenter, Lancaster, Garrard, Kentucky; citing "1810 United States Federal Census,"; p. 206, line 940, NARA microfilm publication M252, roll 6, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0181351.
NOTE:
Carpenter Robt. -, -, 1, -, - || 1, 1,1,1, -, 1, -
This has one male 16 to 26 (b. 1794 to 1784)
SEE ALSO:
Name: Robt Carpenter
Home in 1810 (City, County, State): Lancaster, Garrard, Kentucky
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 1 --- (b. 1794 to 1784)
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over : 1
Number of Household Members Under 16: 2
Number of Household Members Over 25: 1
Number of Household Members: 5
Source Citation
Year: 1810; Census Place: Lancaster, Garrard, Kentucky; Roll: 6; Page: 206; Image: 00222; Family History Library Film: 0181351
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1810 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Third Census of the United States, 1810. (NARA microfilm publication M252, 71 rolls). Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
Note - on same census page is:
Zenith Carpenter 2,2,1,1,- || 3,1,1,1,-
Rufus Carpenter 2,-,-,1,- || -,1,1,-,-
CENSUS: 1820 US Census
Name: Robt Carpenter
Event Place: Garrard, Garrard, Kentucky
Page Number: 112
Affiliate Publication Number: M33
Affiliate Film Number: 21
GS Film number: 0186181
Digital Folder Number: 004433283
Image Number: 00128
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1820," index and images, (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHLR-NWS : accessed 03 May 2014), Robt Carpenter, Garrard, Garrard, Kentucky; citing "1820 United States Federal Census,"; p. 112, NARA microfilm publication M33, roll 21, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0186181.
Males: 2, -,-,-1,- || Females: 3,1,-,1
SEE ALSO:
CENSUS: 1820 US Census
Name: Robt Carpenter
Home in 1820 (City, County, State): Garrard, Garrard, Kentucky
Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 2
NOTE: ANCESTRY has the following section posted incorrectly on line.
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 3
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25: 1
NOTE: It should have been posted as ....
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 1 ----- born 1795 to 1804
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 3
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 16: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 45: 1
Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture: 1
Free White Persons - Under 16: 3
Free White Persons - Over 25: 3
Total Free White Persons: 8
Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 8
Source Citation
1820 U S Census; Census Place: Garrard, Garrard, Kentucky; Page: 112; NARA Roll: M33_21; Image: 128
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1820 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fourth Census of the United States, 1820. (NARA microfilm publication M33, 142 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
NOTE:
Rufus Carpenter is next door. 3,1,-,-,1,- || 1,-,-,1,-
CENSUS: 1830 US Census
Name: Robert Carpenter
Event Place: Not Stated, Garrard, Kentucky
Page Number: 252
Affiliate Publication Number: M19
Affiliate Film Number: 36
GS Film number: 0007815
Digital Folder Number: 004410759
Image Number: 00500
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1830," index and images, (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHPB-P4S : accessed 03 May 2014), Robert Carpenter, Not Stated, Garrard, Kentucky; citing "1830 United States Federal Census," p. 252, NARA microfilm publication M19, roll 36, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0007815.
SEE ALSO:
CENSUS: 1830 US Census
Name: Robert Carpenter
Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Garrard, Kentucky
Free White Persons - Males - Under 5: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 5 thru 9: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 14: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 40 thru 49: 1 ---- b. abt 1781 to 1790
Free White Persons - Females - Under 5: 2
Free White Persons - Females - 5 thru 9: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 14: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 15 thru 19: 2
Free White Persons - Females - 30 thru 39: 1
Free White Persons - Under 20: 9
Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 2
Total Free White Persons: 11
Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 11
Source Citation
1830; Census Place: Garrard, Kentucky; Series: M19; Roll: 36; Page: 252; Family History Library Film: 0007815
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1830 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fifth Census of the United States, 1830. (NARA microfilm publication M19, 201 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
CENSUS: 1840 US Census
Name: Robert Carpenter
Event Place: Not Stated, Garrard, Kentucky
Page Number: 42
Affiliate Publication Number: M704
Affiliate Film Number: 111
GS Film number: 0007826
Digital Folder Number: 004409526
Image Number: 00086
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1840," index and images, (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHR1-TH3 : accessed 03 May 2014), Robert Carpenter, Not Stated, Garrard, Kentucky; citing "1840 United States Federal Census,"; p. 42, NARA microfilm publication M704, roll 111, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0007826.
SEE ALSO:
CENSUS: 1840 US Census
Name: Robert Carpentier [Robert Carpenter]
Home in 1840 (City, County, State): Garrard, Kentucky
Free White Persons - Males - 5 thru 9: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 14: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 15 thru 19: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 40 thru 49: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 50 thru 59: 1 ---- b. abt 1781 to 1790
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 14: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 15 thru 19: 2
Free White Persons - Females - 20 thru 29: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 40 thru 49: 1
Persons Employed in Agriculture: 9
Free White Persons - Under 20: 6
Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 3
Total Free White Persons: 10
Total All Persons - Free White, Free Colored, Slaves: 10
Source Citation
Year: 1840; Census Place: Garrard, Kentucky; Roll: 111; Page: 42; Image: 86; Family History Library Film: 0007826
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1840 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Sixth Census of the United States, 1840. (NARA microfilm publication M704, 580 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
CENSUS: 1850 US Census
Name: Robt Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1850
Event Place: Garrard county, Garrard, Kentucky, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 67
Race: White
Race (Original): undefined
Birth Year (Estimated): 1783
Birthplace: Virginia
Household ID: 245
House Number: 227
Line Number: 26
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M432
Affiliate Film Number: 201
GS Film Number: 442969
Digital Folder Number: 004192491
Image Number: 00162
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Robt Carpenter undefined M 67 Virginia
Mary Carpenter undefined F 62 Kentucky
Nancy Carpenter undefined F 30 Kentucky
Erasmus Carpenter undefined M 27 Kentucky
Laura Carpenter undefined F 21 Kentucky
Will Carpenter undefined M 19 Kentucky
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1850," index and images, (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M653-6VR : accessed 03 May 2014), Robt Carpenter, Garrard county, Garrard, Kentucky, United States; citing family 245, NARA microfilm publication M432.
CENSUS: 1857 Kansas Territorial Census
Name: Robert Carpenter
Census Date: 1857
Residence County: Atchison
Residence State: Kansas
Locality: District 3
Household Member(s):
Name Age
Robert Carpenter
Wm Z Carpenter
Source Citation
Kansas State Historical Society; Topeka, Kansas; 1856, 1857, and 1858 Kansas Territory Censuses; Roll: ks1856_1; Line: 20
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Kansas State Census Collection, 1855-1925 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2009.
Original data:
1855 Kansas Territory Census. Microfilm reel K-1. Kansas State Historical Society.
1856, 1857, and 1858 Kansas Territory Censuses. Microfilm reel K-1. Kansas State Historical Society.
CENSUS: 1860 US Census - with son Zophur
Name: Robt Carpenter
Age: 77
Birth Year: abt 1783 <---------------------
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Virginia
Home in 1860: Rock Creek, Nemaha, Kansas Territory
Family Number: 53
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Zophur Carpenter 28
Robt Carpenter 77
Source Citation
Year: 1860; Census Place: Rock Creek, Nemaha, Kansas Territory; Roll: M653_351; Page: 442; Image: 442; Family History Library Film: 803351
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1860 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2009. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: 1860 U.S. census, population schedule. NARA microfilm publication M653, 1,438 rolls. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.
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ANCESTRY: David Carpenter Family Tree - Compare
http://person.ancestry.com/tree/100035375/person/410006105461/facts
BIRTH 29 APR 1773 • Augusta County, Virginia, USA <---------- Should be 1783
DEATH 22 MAY 1862 • Sabetha, Kansas, USA <---------- should be 1865
Ancestry Sources
1860 United States Federal Census
Ancestry Family Trees <---------- sigh
Kentucky, Compiled Marriages, 1802-1850
Marriage
5 Apr 1806 • Garrard, Kentucky, USA
Mary Elizabeth "Polly" Ross (1788-1854)
Parents
Zophar Carpenter 1733-1798
Mary Cole Davis 1735-1832
Spouse & Children
Mary Elizabeth "Polly" Ross 1788–1854
Elizabeth Carpenter 1813–1865
Ranza Jane Carpenter 1814–1899
Andrew Jackson Carpenter 1816–
Nancy Carpenter 1817–1892
Erasmus Carpenter 1823–
Rachael Ann Carpenter 1824–1878
Laura B Carpenter 1828–1900
Robert G Carpenter 1829–1860
William Zopher Carpenter 1831–1897
Mary Elizabeth "Polly" Ross
ANCESTRY:
http://person.ancestry.com/tree/100035375/person/410006105722/facts
Ancestry Sources
Ancestry Family Trees <------- sigh
Kentucky, Compiled Marriages, 1802-1850
Parents
Isaac Ambrose Ross
Elizabeth Gordon
Spouse & Children
Robert Carpenter 1773-1862
Elizabeth Carpenter 1813-1865
Ranza Jane Carpenter 1814-1899
Andrew Jackson Carpenter 1816-
Nancy Carpenter 1817-1892
Erasmus Carpenter 1823-
Rachael Ann Carpenter 1824-1878
Laura B Carpenter 1828-1900
Robert G Carpenter 1829-1860
William Zopher Carpenter 1831-1897
Gideon French
Chart of Ruth Deem Nelson, 1984.