GRAVE: image
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=118951162
John Carpenter
Birth: unknown
Death: 1815
Burial: Saint Andrew's Anglican Church Cemetery, Grimsby, Niagara Regional Municipality, Ontario, Canada
Memorial #: 118951162
Bio: son of Aahman & Mary Carpenter
Aged: in the 19th year of his age.
Inscription: In Memory of
JOHN,
Son of ASHMAN &
MARY CARPENTER
who Departed this Life
A. D. 1815
In the 49th Year
of His Age
Created by: Gone But Not Forgotten (46869124)
Added: 19 Oct 2013
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/118951162/john-carpenter
Citation: Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/118951162/john-carpenter: accessed 01 October 2023), memorial page for John Carpenter (unknown–1815), Find a Grave Memorial ID 118951162, citing Saint Andrew's Anglican Church Cemetery, Grimsby, Niagara Regional Municipality, Ontario, Canada; Maintained by Gone But Not Forgotten (contributor 46869124).
NOTE:
Old time 4 in the 49th year - Compare to the number 1 on the line above.BOOK:
Annals of The Forty - No.4, Loyalists and Pioneer Families of West Lincoln 1783 - 1833
Author: R. Janet Powell, Compiler
Media Type: Text
Publication: Genealogical Resource
Item Type: Books
Description:
Booklet No. 4 contains information on Loyalist and Pioneer families who settled in the West Lincoln area from 1783 to 1833 (Families named Camp to Fry-Frey are covered in this booklet).
Publisher: The Grimsby Historical Society
Collation: 86 pages
Date of Publication: 1953
Copyright Statement
Copyright status unknown. Responsibility for determining the copyright status and any use rests exclusively with the user.
NOTE:
A series of 9 books published from 1952-1958.
Number 4 - Pages 11-12
JOHN CARPENTER, son of Ashman and Mary (Boyle) Carpenter, was born in 1769. His name appears on the first map of Grimsby twp. on Lots 19 and 20, Conc. III. He also had land with his brother Gershom in Saltfleet. John served with the 5th Lincoln Regiment during the War of 1812. He was never married and died in 1815 in his 49th year. He was buried in St. Andrew's churchyard, just north of the big tree, which contains the stone of his mother, Mary (Boyle) Carpenter.
GRAVE: image
Franklin M. Carpenter
Birth: unknown
Death: 25 May 1831
Burial: Saint Andrew's Anglican Church Cemetery, Grimsby, Niagara Regional Municipality, Ontario, Canada
Memorial #: 232708080
Inscription: In memory of
FRANKLIN M
son of
John & [Mary_C?]
CARPENTER
who died
May 25, 183[1?]
AE 1[6?] ds. <---------- yrs or years
Stone in poor condition
Created by: Kathryn Kennedy (49549275)
Added: 4 Oct 2021
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/232708080/franklin-m-carpenter
Citation: Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/232708080/franklin-m-carpenter: accessed 01 October 2023), memorial page for Franklin M. Carpenter (unknown–25 May 1831), Find a Grave Memorial ID 232708080, citing Saint Andrew's Anglican Church Cemetery, Grimsby, Niagara Regional Municipality, Ontario, Canada; Maintained by Kathryn Kennedy (contributor 49549275).
CAUTION:
Ancestry issue in that 3 descendants have Y-DNA tested and are part of Group 12 of the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project. We are not sure if this is a NPE (Non-Paternal Event = a formal or informal adoption within a lineage) or bad genealogy. For now we challenge the parents John Carpenter and Mary Hart.NOTE: MAJOR CORRECTION - See page 906 (insert) and 907 in the Carpenter Memorial.
Family number 49 - corrected to as listed.Number 325 in The Carpenter Memorial on page 86.
Family number 1 on page 160 (#145) and number 2 on page 824 (#1831).
Marriage number 3 not in CM. See Corrections on page 906 & 907.Pennsylvania Marriages before 1790: Two marriages given.
1768, June 16. Carpenter, Benjamin and Grace Morgan
1772, Aug. 10. Carpenter, Benjamin and Mary MorganBenjamin Carpenter was born near Woodbury, Gloucester, NJ just south and across the Delaware river from Philadelphia, PA. After the close of the Revolutionary War, he moved to Fauquier, VA (NOTE: NEVER PART OF , now W.Virginia), where his first and second (NOTE: not 2nd & 3rd) wives died. In 1797 he removed to Harrison county, VA (now WV). In 1804 to what is now Lawrence County, OH where he died in 1809.
NOTE: Fauquier, VA was never part of WV. There were two basic ways to get to Fauquier County from the Delaware River area between Philadelphia and Gloucester County, NJ.
1) By ship down the Delaware River to Delaware Bay then out to the Atlantic Ocean and back through Chesapeake Bay and up the Rappahannock River to a few miles southeast of Front Royal, Warren County, Virginia, near the single point where Warren, Fauquier, and Rappahannock counties come together. Then east into Fauquier County. This or something similar is most likely.
2) By land from Philadelphia west over the Philadelphia Wagon Road toward Washington, DC then southwest to the Old Northwestern Turnpike then east into Loudoun County then south into Fauquier County.To go to Harrison County, WV from Fauquier County is by land. North into Loudoun County then west on the Old Northwestern Turnpike over the Shenandoah Mountains until you get to Harrison County then part of VA.
To go to Lawrence County, OH from Harrison County you head west on the Old Northwestern Turnpike until you get to the Ohio River. Then use the river to float to Lawrence County. Note, there was also a trail that went inland (west of the river into Ohio) then south.
Number 8953 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 824.
Number 8957 in the Carpenter Memorial. See page 824.
Not in the computer record.
McFarland was the name of her first husband.
Number 8960 in the Carpenter Memorial. See page 824.
She died in her 13th year in Ohio per the CM. Another record indicates
she was a stillborn death. Possibly 2 Linny children.
MARRIAGE:
He did not marry Mary Eldridge on 6 Dec 1784. This has been disproved. See RIN 131769 who married Mary Eldridge.MARRIAGE:
If he did not marry Mary, then who did he marry and where did he go after Philadelphia? Did he go to present day WV? More research needed.
Some place on line show he married a Mary Schumacher abt 1780 in Philadephia. But the John Carpenter she married died at age 21. So that is discounted.CHILDREN:
Where did these DMY dates come from? What are there source? Is it a family bible?
They are first seen in the old Ancestral File (AF) and no one has expanded upon them since.AF:
Several submissions from 1989, 1991 then PRF there after. Then resubmitted to the updated AF in 2011.
John CARPENTER
GENDER: Male
BIRTH: 1747 , Gloucester, NJ
FATHER: John CARPENTER
MOTHER: Sarah Mary DRIVER
SPOUSE: Mary
MARRIAGE: about 1780 Of Philadelphia,, PA
CITING THIS RECORD
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, "Ancestral File," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:1:MWSW-BHR : accessed 2016-04-11), entry for John CARPENTER.
ANCESTRAL FILE NUMBER: Q7V9-05LAND:
He may have been the John Carpenter in 1774 in Hopewell regarding adjoining land.
Carpenter, John (Owner of adjoining land) (Named)
TO: Charles Clark (Esquire) (of Trenton)
FROM: Neill McGill (of Hopewell)
MORTGAGE. 30 acres. East of the South Road in John Carpenters Line; Hopewell Township; Hunterdon County. For the sum of £50 Lawful Money.
OTHERS NAMED: Samuel Brooke (Witness); John Carpenter (Owner of adjoining land); Susannah Carter (Witness); Micajah How (Witness)
LOCATIONS: West Jersey; Hunterdon; Hopewell Township; Roads, Streets, Highways, Paths
Date: 2 May 1774
Reference:
Hunterdon Co Mortgage Volume 1 : Folio 190 (CHNCL014)
Available at NJ Archives on microfilm for in-person research only.
For original records
Contact Hunterdon County Clerk
https://wwwnet-dos.state.nj.us/DOS_ArchivesDBPortal/EarlyLandRecords.aspx
COMMENT: On line someone attached Mary Schumacher to a John Carpenter. No proof and I can find no proof. For now, I provide samples below.
FAMILYSEARCH-Family Tree: Compare
https://familysearch.org/tree/#view=ancestor§ion=details&person=MWSW-BCY
NAME: Mary Schumacher
BIRTH: 5 September 1760 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
DEATH: 3 December 1842 Montgomery, Montgomery, Pennsylvania, United States
FSFTN: MWSW-BCY
MARRIAGE: Abt 1780 of, Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
SPOUSE: John Carpenter
BIRTH: 1747 Gloucester, N.J.
DEATH: Deceased
FSFTN: L44Q-5YMANCESTRY: Family Tree - compare
http://person.ancestry.com/tree/82086592/person/34452017645/facts
Mary Schumacher
BIRTH 5 SEP 1760 • Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
DEATH 3 DEC 1842 • Montgomery, Montgomery, Pennsylvania, United States
MARRIAGE: abt 1780 of Philadelphia, PA
SPOUSE John Carpenter
BIRTH ABT 1747 • Gloucester, N.J.
DEATH AE 21 <----------------- abt 1768 if you use 1747
Other Sources
GEDCOM file submitted by Duane Anderson, duanea280@gmail.com. Imported on 21 July 2015.
CENSUS: 1830 US Census
Name: Stephen Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1830
Event Place: Northern Liberties Ward 6, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
Note:
Page: 149
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M19
Affiliate Film Number: 157
GS Film Number: 0020631
Digital Folder Number: 005155998
Image Number: 00292
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1830," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHGT-TSC : accessed 11 April 2016), Stephen Carpenter, Northern Liberties Ward 6, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States; citing 149, NARA microfilm publication M19, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 157; FHL microfilm 20,631.
NOTE: 1 male 30-40 or b. abt 1790 to 1800. 1 male <5, 3 females <5, 2 females 5-10 & 1 female 30-40.
DEATH: Maybe the following person?
Wed. Oct. 10, 1827 Vol. 1 # 15- p. 119
"The Souvenir" Wed. July 18, 1827- Vol. 1 # 3- p.23, Philadelphia.
Died; On the 4th inst. Mr. John CARPENTER, book binder, aged 34 years.
http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/pa+index+4808109999321+F
DEATH:
Or maybe one of the following? At least they have 1795 as birth.
John Carpenter
Pennsylvania, Philadelphia City Death Certificates, 1803-1915
birth: 1795
death: 10 November 1822 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
John Carpenter
Pennsylvania, Philadelphia City Death Certificates, 1803-1915
birth: 1795
death: 22 April 1822 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Number 326 in the Carpenter Memorial. See page 86 and 906.
He is probably the father of Samuel H. Carpenter of Philadelphia. - This statement has been proved wrong.Did he move to Greenwich, Warren, New Jersey?
Other than what is in the CM, nothing really found. Likely misidentified?
This is not the Samuel H. Carpenter of Philadelphia. But it is left here for reference.
STORY:
The following story has been DISPROVED by Y-DNA testing via the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project - Group 3. Group 3 is an English line and not an Irish line.
There were ... four brothers [who] came from Ireland and settled in New York. Two came to WV, John and David, and one stayed in Ohio (which would explain the migration to Ohio for a time) and one remained in New York. The story is similar to what her grandfather Burse told her older sister. In this version, three brothers had come from Ireland during one of the famines. The three brothers were John, Ashman and David Carpenter. John went to Fort Pitt and then settled in Virginia, now WV. Ashman reputedly went to North Carolina and Patty was unsure about David. - Yet another version has David to PA.RELATED: Related Carpenter?
Patty Carpenter Helm wrote:
... Further, there is a William Carpenter who died in 1803 and who is buried at Maple Grove Cemetery who is a Rev. War soldier. See C-9, 5/5/98.
SEE: This lists 49 Carpenter matches, the above William Carpenter is W. R. Carpenter. NEED: Can anyone read the image or have a better image?
SEE: Find a Grave at:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GSiman=1&GScid=79028&GSfn=&GSln=CarpenterARTICLE: "Carpenters of the South", SLC FHL 929.273 C225ctl, Chapter entitled "John of Monongalia Cny WV," page 1: "John Carpenter was born about 1710-1750 (probably c1750), married Anna ---, and was a native of NY." Information prepared by Terry L. Carpenter of Memphis, Tennessee. See C-3, #1 in the files of Janet Gesas Hornick, Englewood.
NOTE: This author stated that further research was needed to confirm relationships.COMMENT: RichardCLarson@aol.com wrote on July 24, 2005: "I am sure we are related to William Carpenter of Rehoboth, MA, branch. Founder: Captain William Carpenter b. 1605 in England and came to America in 1638. He had more descendants in the revolutionary war than any other family. -- JRC adds Confirmed Group 3!
MORE:
"John Carpenter 1765, Long Isand New York married Nancy Ann Miller, Father= John 1730 and Anna, John Carpenter 1700, John Carpenter 1680, John Carpenter 1658, John Carpenter 1626, William Carpenter 1605 (Married Abigail Briant) http://genealogycds.com/sales/carpenter.htm"E-MAIL:
On 29 July 2005 Richard wrote: "The Cds are very valuable tools for connecting to William of Reho and His son Captain John Carpenter. I was able to trace the the line of Johns, from Captain John back, but the link ended when one of his descendants failed to have a John. However I did find something notable that is listed. One of Captain John Carpeter's (b.1626) sons was Hope Carpenter)b.1660. His wife was Mary Ashman. They had a son named Ashmond Carpenter( along with some other descendants of this line named Ashman. This is probably where one would find the link between our Ashman Carpenter and William of Rehoboth Carpenter. Have you found any info on Ashman Carpenter's parents other than the ones that say John and Nancy. They could still possibly be the parents, but it is not John>John>John untill Captain John Carpenter. It would have to be from Hope Carpenter, as the Name Ashman Carpenter started poppingup after their marriage. I am going to leave the Captain John Carpenter and his ancestors, but I am going to leave the middle blank, as their is a connection. Let me know what you think."
COMMENT:
"The Hope/Ashman line is actually mainly from New Jersey. They were also loyalists to the crown in the rev war, meaning they migrated to Ontario." JRC adds yes they are related genetically!
MORE:
Jan wrote back: "I have a couple of lines where I have done as you mentioned, keeping the "way back" ancestors in my PAF database, and unlinking for a generation or more until further data appears. The Ashman name has always interested me. I have seen that Hope Carpenter hypothesis before. Maybe there is some credance to it, but I would want more firm data."COMPARE:
RIN 5053 with RIN 124818 both are John Carpenters. Both have Group 3 lineages.
JC-5053 b. abt 1740 LI NY - d. 18 Nov 1875 NY) the son of Samuel C-1963 and Patience ____.
JC-124818 b. abt 1735/1745 NY - d. ? ?) the son of John Carpenter-12825 and Sarah Mary Driver.
Both had a son named John Carpenter (RINS 178719 & 124706) b. abt 1760/1765 NY and who died in 1826 with one in VA and the other in OH.
Number 321 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 86
Family on page 159 (#143)Samuel went to North Carolina about 1774 and from there to Barron county, KY
in 1800 where he died in 1811.
A deed is recorded at Cleveland, NC dated 8 Oct 1811 from L___ Short and
Catherine Carpenter, executors of the estate of Samuel Carpenter, deceased of
the county of Barron, State of Kentucky, to Joseph Carpenter for 500 acres of
land.Hunterdon county until 1838 when Hopewell became part of Mercer county.
NOTE: Read brother's notes!
Samuel moved to Barren County, Kentucky where he became quite prominent politically and economically. Some of his descendants traveled to central Missouri with so many other Carpenters and family members. Per Robert C. Carpenter.
Number 957 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 159.
Her descendants are residents of North Carolina (1898).
Number 958 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 159.
Her descendants reside in Tennessee (1898).
Number 959 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 159.
Her descendants reside in North Carolina (1898).
NAME:
Likely born a Zimmerman and later used Carpenter.NOTE:
Noted in the book "Carpenters A Plenty" by Robert C. Carpenter. See page 972.A descendant of this Joseph Carpenter-13138 (Horace) was Y-DNA tested via the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project and found to match genetically with Group 5, a Zimmerman line from Switzerland. And not Group 3 of the Rehoboth, MA line as cited in the Carpenter Memorial (CM). This Joseph has been removed as a son of Hezekiah Carpenter-12823 from the CM. ID (RINs) numbers after the surname reflect assigned numbers in the main Carpenter Cousins database.
There had been a concern that the Joseph in the CM and the genealogical descendants assigned were done in error. This has been confirmed and this is the reason for this note. May 2015 JRC
The following is the information cited in the CM and left for reference. The second paragraph may reflect the correct Joseph.
Number 322 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 86
Family on page 159 (#144)He moved from Hopewell to Bucks county, PA and after the death of his father,
to North Carolina in 1775 and located in Irvon: afterwards to Ruthford (now
Cleveland county). They were both buried at Knob Creek, Cleveland county, NC.-------------
new notesHunterdon county until 1838 when Hopewell became part of Mercer county.
Joseph moved from Hopewell to Bucks ,,PA, and after the
death of his father, to North Carolina, in 1775, and located in
Irvon; afterwards to Ruthford (now Cleveland County).2 SOUR S203EMAIL:
From: Robert Carpenter
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 10:51 AM
To: carpenter@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Joseph Carpenter-13138 and Susanna Eakers-13139
John and all,
I am hoping that a male member of this family will have their DNA tested.
The lineage of this Joseph back to William Carpenter of English descent has
been contested. Joseph Zimmerman, whose brother was Samuel, resided in
upper Cleveland County, NC. They married Eaker sisters. All were German.
Joseph and Samuel are not direct descendants of Hans Zimmerman of Group 5
but rather of a relative from Pennsylvania. Their mother, Margaret Caquelin
(variously spelled) named them in her will. She married a Zimmerman first
and then a Caquelin. Samuel moved to Kentucky and a number of Joseph's
descendants moved to Tennessee. Others remained in North Carolina. Bob and
I have been unable to get a descendant of Joseph or Samuel to have their DNA
tested to prove once and for all that they belong to Group 5.
I am hopeful that this contact may motivate a member of the family to do so.
Robert Carpenter------------------------------------------------------------------------
SPECULATION: Unfounded per Robert Carpenter - 3 May 2015
Is Joseph C-13138 a half sibling of Sarah Salome Carpenter-112683 who married a David Klein (Cline) and who is buried in the same cemetery? SSC-112683 has Jacob Zimmerman-112652 and Catherine Ramsaur-112653 as parents. Suspicion of a earlier marriage of JZ-112652 to Margaret _______ is unfounded.PARENT:
Their mother (of brothers Joseph & Samuel), Margaret Caquelin (variously spelled) named them in her
1798 will. She married a Zimmerman first and then a Caquelin.LOCATION:
Cleveland County created in 1841 from Rutherford and Lincoln Counties:CENSUS: 1800 US Census - 2 listed
1)
Name: Joseph Carpenter
Event Place: Morgan, Rutherford, North Carolina
Page Number: 104
Affiliate Publication Number: M32
Affiliate Film Number: 33
GS Film number: 337909
Digital Folder Number: 004440861
Image Number: 00416
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1800," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHRW-HHB : accessed 5 May 2015), Joseph Carpenter, Morgan, Rutherford, North Carolina; citing p. 104, NARA microfilm publication M32, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 33; FHL microfilm 337,909.
Name: Joseph Carpenter Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Morgan, Rutherford, North Carolina Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 2 Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44 (1756 to 1774) to : 1 Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 2 Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over: 1 Number of Slaves: 6 Number of Household Members Under 16: 4 Number of Household Members Over 25: 3 Number of Household Members: 13
NOTE: Should be 44 plus.
2)
Name: Joseph Carpenter
Event Place: Morgan, Rutherford, North Carolina
Page Number: 104
Affiliate Publication Number: M32
Affiliate Film Number: 33
GS Film number: 337909
Digital Folder Number: 004440861
Image Number: 00416
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1800," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHRW-HCS : accessed 5 May 2015), Joseph Carpenter, Morgan, Rutherford, North Carolina; citing p. 104, NARA microfilm publication M32, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 33; FHL microfilm 337,909.
Name: Joseph Carpenter Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Morgan, Rutherford, North Carolina Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 1 Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1 Number of Household Members Under 16: 1 Number of Household Members Over 25: 2 Number of Household Members: 3CENSUS: 1810 US Census - only 1 found - appears to be the son
Name: Joseph Carpenter
Event Place: Not Stated, Rutherford, North Carolina
Page Number: 359 1/2
Line Number: 140
Affiliate Publication Number: M252
Affiliate Film Number: 42
GS Film number: 0337915
Digital Folder Number: 004433475
Image Number: 00177
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1810," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHL9-FVF : accessed 5 May 2015), Joseph Carpenter, Not Stated, Rutherford, North Carolina; citing p. 359 1/2, NARA microfilm publication M252 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 42; FHL microfilm 337,915.
Name: Joseph Carpenter Home in 1810 (City, County, State): Rutherford, North Carolina Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 5 Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44 : 1 Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1 Numbers of Slaves: 1 Number of Household Members Under 16: 6 Number of Household Members Over 25: 2 Number of Household Members: 9CENSUS: 1820 US Census - 3 found - 1 is in Lincoln County.
1)
Name: Joseph Carpenter
Event Place: Not Stated, Rutherford, North Carolina
Page Number: 389
Affiliate Publication Number: M33
Affiliate Film Number: 80
GS Film number: 0162796
Digital Folder Number: 004433378
Image Number: 00364
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1820," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHGS-C3B : accessed 5 May 2015), Joseph Carpenter, Not Stated, Rutherford, North Carolina; citing p. 389, NARA microfilm publication M33, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 80; FHL microfilm 162,796.
Name: Joseph Carpenter Home in 1820 (City, County, State): Rutherford, North Carolina Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820 Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 15: 1 Free White Persons - Males - 45 (born 1775 and before) and over: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over : 1 Slaves - Males - Under 14: 5 Slaves - Males - 14 thru 25: 2 Slaves - Males - 26 thru 44: 1 Slaves - Males - 45 and over: 1 Slaves - Females - Under 14: 3 Slaves - Females - 26 thru 44: 1 Slaves - Females - 45 and over: 1 Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture: 7 Free White Persons - Under 16: 1 Free White Persons - Over 25: 2 Total Free White Persons: 3 Total Slaves: 14 Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 17
2)
Name: Joseph Carpenter II <-------------------------------- Is this his son? No, he died in 1815.
Event Place: Not Stated, Rutherford, North Carolina
Page Number: 388
Affiliate Publication Number: M33
Affiliate Film Number: 80
GS Film number: 0162796
Digital Folder Number: 004433378
Image Number: 00363
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1820," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHGS-H15 : accessed 5 May 2015), Joseph Carpenter II, Not Stated, Rutherford, North Carolina; citing p. 388, NARA microfilm publication M33, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 80; FHL microfilm 162,796.
Name: Joseph Carpenter 2nd [Joseph Carpenter II] Home in 1820 (City, County, State): Rutherford, North Carolina Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820 Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 2 Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 15: 3 Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 2 Free White Persons - Males - 45 (born 1775 and before) and over: 1 Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 2 Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1 Slaves - Females - Under 14: 2 Slaves - Females - 14 thru 25: 1 Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture: 6 Free White Persons - Under 16: 8 Free White Persons - Over 25: 2 Total Free White Persons: 12 Total Slaves: 3 Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 15
3)
Name: Joseph Carpenter --------- maybe, but it is further afield.
Event Place: East of the South Fork of the Catawba River, Lincoln, North Carolina
Page Number: 376
Affiliate Publication Number: M33
Affiliate Film Number: 83
GS Film number: 0162799
Digital Folder Number: 004433222
Image Number: 00242
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1820," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHLX-DWH : accessed 5 May 2015), Joseph Carpenter, East of the South Fork of the Catawba River, Lincoln, North Carolina; citing p. 376, NARA microfilm publication M33, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 83; FHL microfilm 162,799.CENSUS: 1830 US Census - 4 found, two are in Lincoln County.
1)
Name: Joseph Carpenter
Event Place: Not Stated, Rutherford, North Carolina
Page Number: 446
Affiliate Publication Number: M19
Affiliate Film Number: 124
GS Film number: 0018090
Digital Folder Number: 004410633
Image Number: 00877
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1830," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHP6-9WC : accessed 5 May 2015), Joseph Carpenter, Not Stated, Rutherford, North Carolina; citing p. 446, NARA microfilm publication M19, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 124; FHL microfilm 18,090.
Name: Joseph Carpenter Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Rutherford, North Carolina Free White Persons - Males - Under 5: 1 Free White Persons - Males - 15 thru 19: 2 Free White Persons - Males - 20 thru 29: 5 Free White Persons - Males - 60 thru 69: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 5 thru 9: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 14: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 15 thru 19: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 40 thru 49: 1 Slaves - Males - 24 thru 35: 1 Slaves - Females - Under 10: 1 Slaves - Females - 10 thru 23: 1 Free White Persons - Under 20: 6 Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 6 Total Free White Persons: 13 Total Slaves: 3 Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 16
2)
Name: Joseph Carpenter
Event Place: Not Stated, Rutherford, North Carolina
Page Number: 508
Affiliate Publication Number: M19
Affiliate Film Number: 124
GS Film number: 0018090
Digital Folder Number: 004410633
Image Number: 00997
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1830," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHP6-SR5 : accessed 5 May 2015), Joseph Carpenter, Not Stated, Rutherford, North Carolina; citing p. 508, NARA microfilm publication M19, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 124; FHL microfilm 18,090.
Name: Joseph Carpenter
Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Rutherford, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - 60 thru 69: 1
Slaves - Males - Under 10: 1
Slaves - Males - 36 thru 54: 1
Slaves - Males - 55 thru 99: 1
Slaves - Females - Under 10: 2
Slaves - Females - 10 thru 23: 2
Slaves - Females - 36 thru 54: 1
Slaves - Females - 55 thru 99: 1
Total Free White Persons: 1
Total Slaves: 9
Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 10
3)
Name: Joseph Carpenter
Event Place: Not Stated, Lincoln, North Carolina
Page Number: 175
Affiliate Publication Number: M19
Affiliate Film Number: 122
GS Film number: 0018088
Digital Folder Number: 004409462
Image Number: 00343
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1830," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHGR-MCF : accessed 5 May 2015), Joseph Carpenter, Not Stated, Lincoln, North Carolina; citing p. 175, NARA microfilm publication M19, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 122; FHL microfilm 18,088.
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Name: Joseph Carpenter
Event Place: Not Stated, Lincoln, North Carolina
Page Number: 255
Affiliate Publication Number: M19
Affiliate Film Number: 122
GS Film number: 0018088
Digital Folder Number: 004409462
Image Number: 00502
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1830," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHGR-SRY : accessed 5 May 2015), Joseph Carpenter, Not Stated, Lincoln, North Carolina; citing p. 255, NARA microfilm publication M19, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 122; FHL microfilm 18,088.GRAVE:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=21995111
Joseph Carpenter
Birth: unknown ---------------> Aged 86 years
Death: Jan. 24, 1839
Burial:
Knob Creek United Methodist Church Cemetery
Belwood
Cleveland County
North Carolina, USACreated by: Sharon
Record added: Oct 06, 2007
Find A Grave Memorial# 21995111EMAIL:
From: Robert Carpenter mailto:rcarpenter2@charter.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 2:34 PM
To: John R Carpenter 2 mailto:johnrcarpenter@cox.net> ; mjoyce@united.net mailto:mjoyce@united.net>
Cc: John 00 Chandler mailto:john.chandler@alum.mit.edu> ; Terry 00 Carpenter mailto:diluvius@yahoo.com> ; Bobby Carpenter mailto:bobbylc@verizon.net> ; Ron Carroll mailto:tennesseevol@comcast.net> ; Larry Zimmerman mailto:larry-zimmerman@att.net> ; Richard (Dick) Zimmerman mailto:rhz1415@verizon.net> ; john schmeeckle mailto:jonva325@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project - 386630 lineage update - Group 5 unattached
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!
At long last the lineage is settled. The first person in North Carolina to suggest that Joseph and Samuel, brothers who married Eaker sisters, were not English as some had supposed was Bonnie Mauney Summers. It was Lorena Eaker in her Eaker history, who located the German signature of Joseph and provided other proof to indicate that Joseph and Samuel were in fact Zimmermans. When I printed my book, Carpenters A Plenty, I stated as such and offered the proof that Lorena and I had located in our research. Yet, some simply refused "to believe" this lineage. I always say when one writes a book, an article, or creates a written account, that it will be believed forever!
It was clear to me that DNA would prove the lineage once and for all, and am thankful that Horace was motivated to be tested. Whoever encouraged him, I offer my thanks.
There is still some mystery with this family. We do not have the name of the father of Joseph, Samuel and Salome who married John Stucky/Stucki and resided in I think Ohio. All three siblings came to North Carolina and owned land in the Knob Creek area.
On Feb 21, 1798, "Margaret Gacklin" of Elizabeth Township, Lancaster County, PA wrote her will in which she devised to "my three children . . . Sons Joseph Zimmerman & Samuel Zimmerman and Daughter Salome Stucky". She also mentioned that son in law John Stucky was executor.
My Pennsylvania research indicates that Elizabeth (uncertain maiden name) married a Zimmerman and then married Dietrich (Didie) Caquelin (Gockley) around 1772. No trace of her first husband has been located. I believe that he must have been one of the passengers or son of a passenger of the pink Plaisance which arrived 1732. The Caquelin family resided in Alsace among the Zimmermans and other Swiss Amish, who had moved there. The surname is variously spelled, may have a French origin, but in the parish records I perused they appeared to speak German and attended German Protestant churches. Quite a number of the surname moved to America. Dietrich arrived in 1736 on the Princess Augusta with the Deppens, Ruchtis, and other Swiss who had lived in Alsace. I say all of this for the benefit of our Zimmerman research group.
Samuel moved to Barren County, Kentucky where he became quite prominent politically and economically. Some of his descendants traveled to central Missouri with so many other Carpenters and family members.
Bringing these families together in our Group 5 is a wonderful accomplishment. Thanks to everyone who assisted with this process!
Robert Carpenter
GRAVE:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=21995100
Susanah Carpenter
Birth: unknown
Death: Oct. 27, 1825
Burial:
Knob Creek United Methodist Church Cemetery
Belwood
Cleveland County
North Carolina, USACreated by: Sharon
Record added: Oct 06, 2007
Find A Grave Memorial# 21995100
Left issue.
CENSUS: 1800 US Census
Name: Joseph Carpenter
Event Place: Morgan, Rutherford, North Carolina
Page Number: 104
Affiliate Publication Number: M32
Affiliate Film Number: 33
GS Film number: 337909
Digital Folder Number: 004440861
Image Number: 00416
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1800," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHRW-HCS : accessed 5 May 2015), Joseph Carpenter, Morgan, Rutherford, North Carolina; citing p. 104, NARA microfilm publication M32, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 33; FHL microfilm 337,909.
Name: Joseph Carpenter Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Morgan, Rutherford, North Carolina Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 1 Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1 Number of Household Members Under 16: 1 Number of Household Members Over 25: 2 Number of Household Members: 3CENSUS: 1810 US Census
Name: Joseph Carpenter
Event Place: Not Stated, Rutherford, North Carolina
Page Number: 359 1/2
Line Number: 140
Affiliate Publication Number: M252
Affiliate Film Number: 42
GS Film number: 0337915
Digital Folder Number: 004433475
Image Number: 00177
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1810," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHL9-FVF : accessed 5 May 2015), Joseph Carpenter, Not Stated, Rutherford, North Carolina; citing p. 359 1/2, NARA microfilm publication M252 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 42; FHL microfilm 337,915.
Name: Joseph Carpenter Home in 1810 (City, County, State): Rutherford, North Carolina Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 5 Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44 : 1 Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1 Numbers of Slaves: 1 Number of Household Members Under 16: 6 Number of Household Members Over 25: 2 Number of Household Members: 9GRAVE:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=21995094
Joseph Carpenter
Birth: unknown
Death: Oct. 11, 1845 -----> 1815 on headstone!!! Aged 26 years = abt 1889
Burial:
Knob Creek United Methodist Church Cemetery
Belwood
Cleveland County
North Carolina, USACreated by: Sharon
Record added: Oct 06, 2007
Find A Grave Memorial# 21995094
Number 322 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 86
Family on page 159 (#144)He moved from Hopewell to Bucks county, PA and after the death of his father,
to North Carolina in 1775 and located in Irvon: afterwards to Ruthford (now
Cleveland county). They were both buried at Knob Creek, Cleveland county, NC.
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The last paragraph above is likely correct for the Group 5 Joseph Carpenter.NOTE:
A descendant of Joseph Carpenter-13138 was Y-DNA tested via the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project and found to match genetically with Group 5, a Zimmerman line for Switzerland. And not Group 3 of the Rehoboth, MA line. That Joseph has been removed as a son of Hezekiah Carpenter-12823. ID (RINs) numbers after the surname reflect assigned numbers in the main Carpenter Cousins database.There had been a concern that the Joseph in the CM and the genealogical descendants assigned were done in error. This has been confirmed and this is the reason for this note. May 2015 JRC