Number 297 in the Carpenter Family in America, 1901 book.
Family on page 167 and 168.
He was a grocer in partnership with his son Isaac in Spring Street, New York,
corner Dominick Street.GRAVE:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=21660996
Townsend D. Carpenter
Birth: May 19, 1800
Death: Jun. 29, 1868
husband of Phebe (daughter of Isaac and Lydia Thorne) Carpenter. son of James and Freelove (Townsend) Carpenter. aged 68 years .
Family links:
Parents:
James Carpenter (1754 - 1812)
Freelove Carpenter (1761 - 1837)
Siblings:
Enoch Carpenter (1786 - 1830)*
Ezra Carpenter (1789 - 1861)*
Townsend D. Carpenter (1800 - 1868)
*Calculated relationship
Burial:
Purchase Friends Meeting Cemetery
Purchase
Westchester County
New York, USA
Maintained by: vicki
Originally Created by: Pat
Record added: Sep 19, 2007
Find A Grave Memorial# 21660996
Number 481 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
Number 691 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901. He was living at 45 Dominick Street in New York in 1900. Not
married at that time.
Number 692 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901. He never married.
Number 693 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901. She was living at 45 Dominick Street, New York in 1900.
Not married at that time.
Number 299 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901.
Family on page 168. Wife's name not known but may have been Elizabeth or
Betsey.NOTE: He is NOT the Robert Carpenter buried in Galena Cemetery, Delaware County, OH on 27 May 1851. There are two Robert Carpenters buried there and they are well documented.
Number 696 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901.
No family listed.
Number 697 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901.
No family listed.
Number 300 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by
Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901.
Family on page 169. He was a ship carpenter and was listed in the New York
Directory for 1819.
Number 698 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by
Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901.
No family listed.
Number 699 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by
Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901.
No family listed.
8218. Rachel Josephine Carpenter
Number 700 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by
Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901.
No family listed.
8219. Mary Elizabeth Carpenter
Number 701 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by
Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901.
No family listed.
Number 302 in the book, the Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.Carpenter, 1901.
He appears to have been born in or near Hempstead like his elder sister, yet called White Plains home. He went to White Plains with his parents and married there. His wife and at least one daughter died there.He apparently went west and remarried, possibly in of, Bedford, Bedford, PA.
The BIG QUESTION is if the Israel who married Susan Hess is the same Israel who is Number 302 above. While there are similarities, only DNA can tell for sure.
Number 702 in the book, the Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901. No family listed.
Number 703 in the book, the Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901. No family listed.
Number 304 in the book, the Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
He was a blacksmith at White Plains. Like his father he went to Long Island
for a wife.BOOK: Taken from 'Frost Genealogy' by Josephine C. Frost, copyright 1912.
1056 MARIA, daughter of (346) Wright and Mary (Wood) Frost; m. Oct. 20,
1814, at Mamaroneck, N. Y., Mott, b. 1793, son of Samuel and Rebecca (Mott)
Carpenter, of White Plains, N. Y.
Page 217
Issue(Carpenter):
1930 Wm.Frost,b.June10,1815;m.ElizabethBaker;
(1931)Rebecca,b.Sept.3,1819;
(1932)Edw.Frost,b.Mch.24,1824;
(1933)SamuelMott,b.Mch.23,1826.
Number 705 in the book, the Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901. No family listed.
Number 706 in the book, the Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901. No family listed.
A builder listed at 217 Delancey Street in 1862.
Number 707 in the book, the Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901. No family listed.
Mary Evelyn Harlow Carpenter has this Samuel as the brother to Joseph Jr., ie
not his son. However this would have made Joseph Sr. about age 78 when this
Samuel would have been born. This is possible, but not probable.This descendant line submitted by:
Bill Carpenter
< billcarpenter@tampabay.rr.com >
Jan 2009CENSUS: 1830 US Census
Name: Samuel Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1830
Event Place: Alleghany, Virginia, United States
Note:
Page: 117
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M19
Affiliate Film Number: 189
GS Film Number: 0029668
Digital Folder Number: 005156030
Image Number: 00235
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1830," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XH5W-2RK : 18 August 2015), Samuel Carpenter, Alleghany, Virginia, United States; citing 117, NARA microfilm publication M19, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 189; FHL microfilm 29,668.
NOTE:
Males: 1 15-20, 1 male 50-60
Females: 1 15-20, 1 30-40CENSUS: 1840 US Census - not found
Moses moved to Green County, KY and lived with his wife's cousin, Sgt. John
Carpenter. Moses Mann and Sgt. John Carpenter were also first cousins.
Asa Mann was fishing on the Rolling Fork River in Green County, KY with Sgt.
John Carpenter's son, Moses when they were attacked by indians. Moses
Carpenter was scalped and left for dead but was able to make his way back to
Moses Mann's stockade and recovered from his wounds. (This had to be by 1802)
NOTE: Y-DNA has indicated a mismatch with Group 2 of the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project.
Descendants of this Thomas are listed in ...
Group 13 via sons Burwell C#5349 and John C#5351. AND
Group 8 via son William C-5455 and his son William "Buck" C-13296 and grandson Creed C-13302.COMMENT:
The possibilities of why this maybe include the following reasons.
1) We have two Thomas Carpenters confused with each other.
2) Formal or informal adoption via marriage or some other means. For example: a woman marries and has two children then is widowed. She remarries a Carpenter and her sons assume the Carpenter surname.
For such an event to happen say twice in a row is unlikely. This assumes the twice widow remarries a Carpenter not related to the other Carpenter. That is stretching it.
* Thomas Carpenter-5337 (this person) was first listed as a son of Solomon Carpenter-5330 and Sudnah or Sudrah Hughes but this has been disproved. Solomon Carpenter-5330 has been proved as from being in Group 2 genetically.NAME:
John Carpenter's father Thomas Carpenter was not called "Jack" -- another artifact from copying mistakes in an old and very poorly done genealogy by a fraudulent genealogist discredited in the 1980s after she was shown to be copying Virginia data for a North Carolina ancestor in an attempt to connect to New England ancestors and impress her friends. Y-DNA has disproved a connection between this set of NC Carpenters and the VA Carpenters to whom Thomas "Jack" Carpenter belonged.
According to testimony of a descendant of Thomas in the 1920s, "the Carpenters came from England to America about the time of the Revolutionary war, settling in North Carolina." There is no data showing Thomas was born in VA -- that was another product of the fraudulent genealogy.
Terry Lee Carpenter (TLC)PARENTS:
Biological parents unknown - maybe adopted? Either way the Y-DNA does not come from Solomon Carpenter-5330 of the Providence, RI Carpenter (Group 2) lines!DEATH:
Either he or his wife died either 6 Aug. 1803 or 6 Oct. 1803.*
He was identified as the "eldest son of solomon" in a court case om 5 May 1791
and served during Lord Dunmore's War in Captain John Lewis' company of
Botetourt Volunteers in 1774 with brothers; John, Solomon and Jeremiah. He
was wounded at the Battle of Point Pleasant in westeren Virginia on
10 Oct. 1774, the first battle of the Revolutionary War.
(This was for a different Thomas of VA)
* In the 1800 US Census - His wife is listed as head of house this indicating he was deceased. BUT,
There is another record that matches his information, seemingly indicating he is still alive.
Confusing! See Census data below.BOOK: See page 40 (for notes) of the Mowrey 1997 book. See book information
below:
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY. Terry Lee Carpenter disagrees with the ancestry of
Thomas "Jack" Carpenter. He believes there are 2 Thomas Carpenters confused.
NOTE: Y-DNA Proves TLC was correct!
Page 46: Children of Thomas (16) Carpenter, of Solomon (15), of Joseph (14);
1. John (17) Carpenter presented Solomon's discharge in Botetourt
County court in February of 1780 and proved Solomon (15)'s Ranger service. He
was identified as "son of Thomas Carpenter and heir of Solomon Carpenter" on
this date and was issued a warrant for 60 acres of land as such. This
relationship was restated in another Botetourt County court case on 5 May 1791.
2. William (17) Carpenter - no further information.
3. Thomas (17) Carpenter - no further information.
4. Ruben (17) Carpenter - no further information.
5. Burwell (17) Carpenter - no further information.
Others?
Thomas (16) Carpenter is found in the Nash county, North Carolina censuses
of 1790 and 1800. Reuben and Thomas Jr. are also found in both surveys.
William is in the 1800 census. Burwell is found in the adjoining county of
Wake in 1790 and Nash county in 1800.
After Thomas's demise in 1803, these sons vascillate between
Pendleton and Edgefield Counties in South Carolina and those
counties surrounding Nash in North Carolina through 1840.
This writer (of the above book) has summaries of all of the Carpenters
living in the United States 1790 through 1840 by census and finds them very
helpful at times.COMMENT:
Nash County was created in 1777 from Edgecombe County.CENSUS: 1782 North Carolina State Census
Name: Thomas Carpenter
State: NC
County: Nash County
Year: 1782
Database: NC Early Census Index
Source Information
Ancestry.com. North Carolina, Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index, 1790-1890 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999.
Original data: Jackson, Ron V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp.. North Carolina Census, 1790-1890. Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.
SEE ALSO: Tax List
Name: Thomas Carpenter
State: NC
County: Nash County
Township: Early Tax List
Year: 1782
Database: NC Early Census Index
Source Information
Ancestry.com. North Carolina, Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index, 1790-1890 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999.
Original data: Jackson, Ron V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp.. North Carolina Census, 1790-1890. Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.CENSUS: 1790 - See also wife's notes. - Two Thomas Carpenters next to each other on the same census page.
1)
Name: Tho Carpenter
Home in 1790 (City, County, State): Nash, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - Under 16: 3
Free White Persons - Males - 16 and over: 1 <--- b. 1774 or before
Free White Persons - Females: 5
Number of Slaves : 1
Number of Household Members: 10
Source Citation
Year: 1790; Census Place: Nash, North Carolina; Series: M637; Roll: 7; Page: 6; Image: 19; Family History Library Film: 0568147
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1790 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: First Census of the United States, 1790 (NARA microfilm publication M637, 12 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
2)
Name: Tho Carpenter [Thos Carpenter] - who is this? An undocumented son? *
Home in 1790 (City, County, State): Nash, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - 16 and over: 1 <---- b. 1774 or before
Number of Household Members: 1
Source Citation
Year: 1790; Census Place: Nash, North Carolina; Series: M637; Roll: 7; Page: 6; Image: 19; Family History Library Film: 0568147
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1790 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: First Census of the United States, 1790 (NARA microfilm publication M637, 12 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.CENSUS: 1800 - This is NOT the undocumented son. See also Thomas wife's notes.
Name: Thomas Carpenter
Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Hallifax, Nash, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1 <---- b. 1755 or earlier.
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 2
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over: 1
Number of Slaves: 1
Number of Household Members Under 16: 2
Number of Household Members Over 25: 2
Number of Household Members: 5
Source Citation
Year: 1800; Census Place: Hallifax, Nash, North Carolina; Series: M32; Roll: 32; Page: 95; Image: 104; Family History Library Film: 337908
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1800 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Second Census of the United States, 1800. NARA microfilm publication M32 (52 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
Second Census of the United States, 1800: Population Schedules, Washington County, Territory Northwest of the River Ohio; and Population Census, 1803: Washington County, Ohio. NARA microfilm publication M1804 (1 roll).E-MAIL: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 From: Terry Lee Carpenter "diluvius@flash.net"
WFT is a big problem -- they just copy it and sell it, and they do put
on a warning to check out the data but it is most often ignored
completely. The disclaimer keeps them from being legally liable, but
they know darn good and well what people are doing with the information
and don't care as long as there is a buck to be made from the
unsuspecting customer.
A genealogy faker put together a fake lineage from Thomas Carpenter of
Nash Co. NC back to Thomas "Jack" Carpenter and Joseph
(SEE HIS SON JOHN AND THE NOTES!)
Carpenter of Botetourt, that has been circulating for well over 20 years now.
All attempts to correct it have so far gone largely ignored because many of
the descendants don't want it challenged and have actively tried to
discredit anyone who tried to help them correct it. But in the long
run, the truth will come out and the fakers will be discredited
themselves. There are several others similar to that one that are also
circulating widely at present. Just beware of the undocumented data out
there! Regards, Terry Lee Carpenter.
MARRIAGE:
Marriage either 1760 or 1767. Birth either 1740 or 1747.NAME: AF has name as "Mary Lee Leigh Carpenter."
Carpenter is married name. "Lee" is the commonly accepted last name, however
one record has last name as "LEIGH".DEATH:
See husband's notes.Submitted by Donna Carpenter in April 1998.
FROM LEE FAMILY TREE
MARY LEE d/o JAMES LEE & FRANCES ___
d. 1829 Nash County, NC
m. THOMAS CARPENTER before 1771
d. August 6, 1803 Nash County, NC
ISSUE: (From division of T. Carpenter's estate, February, 1804,
Nash County, N. C.
1. 'BURWELL CARPENTER
2. JOHN CARPENTER
3. REUBEN CARPENTER
4. WiLLIAM CARPENTER
5. FANNY CARPENTER m. WILLIAM MANOR
6. BETSY CARPENTER m. ABRAHAM WINBOURN
7. POLLY CARPENTER m. THOMAS BRYANT
8. JAMES CARPENTER
d. Before 1804
ISSUE: Patsy CARPENTER, POLLY CARPENTER
Mary Carpenter's estate was settled August. 1832, Nash County, N. C.
CENSUS RECORDS 1790 NASH CO. N.C.
THOMAS CARPENTER over 16
1 m under 16 wife & 1 boy 16+ & 1 girl -16
2 f
(1 slave)
1800 NASH CO. N.C.
THOMAS CARPENTER - over 45 b. bfr 1755
1 f - over 45
b. bf 1755
2 f - 10-16 wife and 2 girls
10 to 16yrs
(1 slave)
ROBERT LEE, s/o JAMES LEE & FRANCES____________
November 1, 1777: ROBERT LEE of Anson County, North Carolina
sold to THOMAS CARPENTER, 100 a. on E/bank of Mocassin Creek.
Wit: JAMES LEE ...TRAVIS LEE (Edgecomb County, N. C. Deed Book 3, p. 296).***************
CENSUS: 1800 US Census
Name: Mary Carpenter <--- This is Mary Lee-5339
Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Hillsborough, Wake, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Males -10 thru 15: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 1 <--- b. 1775 to 1884
Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44: 1 <--- b. 1756 to 1774
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over: 1 <--- b. 1755 or before <-----------
Number of Household Members Under 16: 3
Number of Household Members Over 25: 3
Number of Household Members: 7
Source Citation
Year: 1800; Census Place: Hillsborough, Wake, North Carolina; Series: M32; Roll: 32; Page: 724; Image: 725; Family History Library Film: 337908
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1800 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Second Census of the United States, 1800. NARA microfilm publication M32 (52 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
Second Census of the United States, 1800: Population Schedules, Washington County, Territory Northwest of the River Ohio; and Population Census, 1803: Washington County, Ohio. NARA microfilm publication M1804 (1 roll).
CENSUS: 1820 US Census - See:
http://www.wvculture.org/history/ahnews/1203news.pdf
Missed Heads of Household from the 1820 Census of Randolph County
(Page 266a)
In order of appearance:
Coffman, George
Cross, Joseph
Carpenter, Solomon
...CENSUS: 1820 US Census - Same Person?
Name: Solomon Carpenter
Event Place: Miscellaneous Townships, Lawrence, Mississippi
Page Number: 61
Affiliate Publication Number: M33
Affiliate Film Number: 57
GS Film number: 0181359
Digital Folder Number: 004433380
Image Number: 00074
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1820," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHGS-LSP : accessed 16 Jul 2013), Solomon Carpenter, 1820.CENSUS: 1830 US Census - Same person?
Name: Solomon Carpenter
Event Place: Not Stated, Copiah, Mississippi
Page Number: 107
Affiliate Publication Number: M19
Affiliate Film Number: 70
GS Film number: 0014838
Digital Folder Number: 004410623
Image Number: 00211
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1830," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHPZ-HVG : accessed 16 Jul 2013), Solomon Carpenter, 1830.CENSUS: 1840 US Census
Son Daniel has a male age 100+ living with him in 1840 US Census - this may be Solomon.BOOK: See page 40 (for notes & page 46-47 for family)) of the Mowrey 1997 book.
See book information below:
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
Page 40: 2. Solomon (16) Carpenter was born circa 1745-1750, married Lucretia
Prentice on September 1. 1783 with his brother, Thomas, as surety (His father
Solomon (15) was already dead) and probably moved south after the volutionary
War. He was one of the "five children called Carpenter" who was kidnapped by
Indians during a raid on the Jackson River settlements in the middle of
September 1756 and later released in Ohio in 1764 by Colonel Boquet.
Solomon served in Captain John Lewis' Botetourt Volunteers in Lord
Dunmore's War with his brothers; Thomas, Jeremiah and John. Enlisting
with his brother, Amos, in 1776 in Captain Samuel Lapsley's
company, in Colonel Nathaniel Gist's regiment, 12th Virginia
Continental Line, they became the subject of a letter written by Colonel George
Skillern to Virginia Governor Nelson from Botetourt County on June 26, 1777. He
was in Captain William Harrod's company in Kentucky and may have returned there
to live after the hostilities. His wife, Lucretia, was the daughter of Daniel
Prentice who was counted in the list of tithables for Benjamin Hawkin's
district in Botetourt County with the aforesaid and often mentioned Carpenters
on August 12, 1771. (Several competent Carpenter Family researchers in the
Braxton/Webster Counties area insist that Solomon was buried in the so-called
Skidmore Bottom along with Jeremiah (page 41) and Benjamin. If so, this (or the
fact that some of his children must have remained in that part of Virginia
after he moved) would surely account for some of the Carpenters in West
Virginia who obviously descended from old Joserph of the Jackson River but
cannot be irrefuteably linked to any of his other children.)
(continued)
Page 45: The most commonly heard story of Solomon (16) Carpenter's capture by
the Indians has him living with his father, Solomon (15) Carpenter, and family
somewhere in the wilds of Virginia along the frontier near a creek in Botetourt
County about the year 1754 (Amos (16) Carpenter's birth). Some of the younger
children were playing about the cabin, some were working in the fields with
their parents and others, including Solomon, were roaming through the woods.
Solomon was about ten years old. Roving Indians captured him, took him to
Ohio, adopted him into their tribe and raised him as an Indian. Years later he
returned to civilization fully grown with the wild, undisciplined spirit of an
Indian. It is said that Solomon was a favorite among the Indians because he was
an accurate marksman, a wrestler par excellent and sang in a very loud voice.
Another interesting story that is proveably true involves Solomon (16) and
his brother, Amos (16) Carpenter, during the Revolutionary War. A Captain
Lapsley recruited Solomon, Amos and a friend, James Lyons, with the inducement
that they (page 46) would be bodyguards to General George Washington at a
higher pay than other soldiers. Their agreement with Captain Lapsley was not
honored when they began training. Disgruntled with such treatment, the
Carpenter brothers and Lyons deserted, returned home and hid out in the
mountains. Other malcontents, dissenters and men who were avoiding military
service joined them until their numbers were nearly fifty.
These renegades formed a formidable army, more than a match for the forces
of law and order. They were well armed and well supplied with food and
information about the activities of the authorities by friends, relatives and
sympathizers and evaded capture for about four years. Unable to arrest the
outlaw band, Colonel Skillern finally persuaded Solomon and some of his
officers to agree to a peace talk. Solomon and his followers offered to serve
two years in the Botetourt County Militia or under George Rogers Clark in
exchange for amnesty. Colonel Skillern advised the Virginia Governor of the
offer and recommended that he accept it. He did and added another
forty-some hardened fighters to the Patriotic armies. They served honorably.
Page 47: Children of Solomon(16) Carpenter, of Solomon(15), of Joseph(14):
Many historians and Carpenter genealogists speculate that all of Jeremiah's
brothers went south within twenty or so years after the initial settlement
on the Elk and Holly Rivers circa 1785. This is simply not true! With the
exception of Thomas and, possibly, Solomon, all of them went west. Amos, Jesse,
John and the Joseph who married Sinah Gillespie 15 December 1795 (if he is of
this family) relocated on the Ohio River and beyond.
Solomon may have never left the area except on a temporay basis.
The weight of the available evidence certainly seem to indicate this.
John Davison Sutton stayed with and obtained supplies from a
Carpenter other than Jeremiiah while doing a survey and study of land for his
father in the summer of 1795 according to a notebook he kept during that
journey. Upon visiting Jeremiah, he noted that the Solomon who was born in a
cave on Camp Run was a lad of about six years. A Solomon Carpenter is found as
head-of -household in the Randolph County censuses of 1810, 1820 and 1830.
Jeremiah's son, Solomon, is found in the Nicholas County censuses of 1820 and
1830 as well as in the 1840 and later Braxton County (created, in part, from
Nicholas) censuses. These are different Solomons!
Another contention that Solomon, he of "Solly's Cave", was the only one of
Jeremiah's sons to live out his life in the Braxton and Webster Counties area
is also untrue. John S. (and most of the daughters) can easily be proven to
have remained there. Jeremiah Jr. and Amos are known to have followed
uncles or other kin west.
This compiler cannot positively identify any of Solomon and Lucretta
(Prentice) Carpenter's children at present, but the odds are that there were
some. These and possible children of his brother Amos's first marriage may
explain some of the many unplaced Carpenters in The Mountain State. The Jesse
Carpenter who is found in the household of David and Catharine Given in the
1850 Braxton County census is placed here, but not proven. He is logically a
nephew of Jeremiah, Jesse et cetera.CHILDREN: Some researchers place the following children in this family but
they are NOT FOR THIS FAMILY. They are for another Solomon:
1-Jeremiah CARPENTER, 2-Thomas CARPENTER, 3-Benjamin CARPENTER, and
4-Solomon CARPENTER.
UPDATE: October 23, 2003
SEE Notes for Daniel Carpenter RIN 66005.NOTE: This individual is to get you to read the material below.
Terry Lee Carpenter states his line is " unconnected."
While the "Descendants" listed for this person is from the article in Carpenter Chronicles (as listed below) it is put in this format simply to include it in the Carpenter CD. This will allow researchers to add to or help make a connection based on facts. JRC 1/2001.E-MAIL: Mon, 08 Jan 2001
From: Terry Lee Carpenter - diluvius@flash.net
To: John Carpenter
Dear John,
Concerning the line in Carpenter Chronicles Vol. 6 -- The line really
doesn't connect, yet. We have a strong and clear family tradition that
my line was from Solomon Carpenter who married Lucretia Prentice or
Prentiss in Botetourt Co. VA in 1783, and all the circumstantial and
factual evidence supports that, but I have never been able to clearly
document the connection, so I prefer to call it unconnected. Ours is
definitely an English line, and the western VA lines are definitely the
ones we come from, and I believe the family tradition is absolutely
correct -- it just needs backing up with contemporaneous documentation.
Solomon and Lucretia disappeared not long after their marriage, then
surfaced in TN where my line came from, then disappear again, then he
dies in Indiana where some in my line went, so I am reasonably sure he
is the right one, however, until I can document it or completely
eliminate any other possibilities, the connection has to remain
"posited" -- but I say it is "unconnected" in order to keep people who
don't understand that situation from claiming it is proved. I ran into
that problem early on, and am much more careful about being very clear
that the connection is not proved. I do intend to prove it someday
though -- I believe the proof is out there, waiting to be discovered.
I have made some progress since this line was printed in 1990, but this
direct line is still accurate. It is a double line, from Moses
Carpenter and from Daniel Carpenter as shown, and both are English and
go back to VA. There are a few "typo" errors in the line as published:
in no. IV, Elijah C. Carpenter, his wife's name should be Emily Frances
Cadle (not Sadle), he died 1918 (not 1928), she died in Doskey (not
Tioskey), and their son's name is Walter Laugustus (not Langustus)
Carpenter -- his name is also misspelled at no. V. In no. VI, my
maternal grandfather's name is William Kindred (not Kinored) Thompson.
In no. VII, my wife was born in Coahoma (not Coahonia) Co. MS. These
all appear to be scanner-introduced errors that would be easy to miss if
it were not one's personal data, and Bette did a fine job getting the
most of it transcribed and reformatted to fit the Chronicles format.
For now, my line remains unconnected, but in future editions of the CD,
I hope to have something more definitive. Thank you for including this
line in your work! Terry.
John Carpenter wrote:
Dear Terry Lee,
In Carpenter Chronicles Volume 6 1990 - it has your Carpenter Line as
Branch # 15. It also states "Please refer to Volume #3, page 3- This is
a continuation!"
However, I do not see how it continues. Does it?
Curious!
I wanted to try to add your line if at all possible. Does it connect
with the Zimmerman or English or which line?
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA.
Number 1124 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 172.
Family on page 762 (#1591). HOWEVER ... Parentage in the Carpeter Memorial
has been proven wrong. Corrections below with census information corrected
data. 4/1998 JRC. Probably not baptised in CT, but data is left for error
notes and corrections.AF has birth as 14 Feb. 1754. Carpenter Memorial has 10 Apr. 1765 but notes
on page 839 corrects it as 14 Feb. 1754. This BD was for first wife.
Death date in CM notes.
!CM has marriage date as 10 May 1797 but the AF has 20 Feb 1803 as the marriage
date. Their child Jerimiah was born 3 May 1803 (in VA) per the CM.
A child named Mary born 1800 is in the AF but not the CM.
This appears to be two (2) separate marriages. One child to each.
First wife was probably named "Mary."CENSUS: 1820 Rutland Twp., Meigs County, OH, page 115A:
Amos Carpenter (male over 45) with 1 male 16-26, 1 female 16-26, 1 female
26-45).
!CENSUS: 1830 Columbia Twp., Meigs county, OH, page 268:
Amos Carpenter (1 male 70-80, 1 female 20-30, and a female 50-60.As far as Amos, (Per Debi Grubb in E-Mail Message dated 3-29-98)
I didn't find much on him. I did get some census records though and the
1820(Rutland twp) shows Amos as over 45 with 1 male 16-26, 1 female
26-45, and 1 female 16-26. Amos is the only Carpenter listed in the
1820 Meigs county Ohio records.I'm going to type up the other Carpenter census info and send to you
later(and the other John). One thing I did find is on the 1850 Meigs
census Margaret is listed as 74yo, b. VA, and living with her is Mary,
49yo, b.VA. I think this Mary is Margaret's stepdaughter by Amos and
Mary(?)Bickle Carpenter.There were a LOT more Carpenter's here than Amos in those early years.
For example the 1816 Meigs tax list has an Asahel Carpenter and the 1820
Gallia census index has a John Carpenter. I haven't checked the Athens
county area yet, but I have a Sarah Graham in my tree as a cousin who
married Joseph Carpenter in Athens county on 2-27-1806(no further
info).Then I found an article that said a Jeremiah Carpenter from VT
settled here and the town of Carpenter is named after him. So I am
trying to figure them out.Thanks for the info you sent,
Debi Grubb
jgrubb@zoomnet.net
addtional info:
>Debi
>
>Source: Revolutionary War Period
>Bible Family & Marriage Records Gleaned from Pension Applications
>Volume 6
>
>W-5239: VA/OH
>
>Amos Carpenter m. Margaret McGlaughlin, Feb. 18, 1803, by Elder Jacob
>Cozad, at West Fork Settlement, Harrison Co., VA. She was age 76 in
>1853. In 1853 Resina Gilpn gave statement that she was the nurse of
>Margaret Carpenter's when her son Jeremiah was born, and that she was
>invited to the marriage but could not cross the creek (West Fork) on
>account of the high rise. Margaret Bickel or Bickle, in 1853, stated
>that soldier's first wife was her husbands sister. B.L.Wt. 26301-160-55
>
>Source: Abstracts of Rev. War Pension Files
>CARPENTER, Amos, Margaret, W5239, BLW#26301-160-55, VA line, sol lived
>in Greenbrier Cty, VA at enl, sol appl Oct 2, 1832 Meigs Cty, OH aged
>77, a res. of Scipio township, OH, sol m Margaret McGlaughlin 2-18-1803
>at West Fork Settlement in Harrison Cty VA & sol d. 5-31-1837 in
>Columbia township in Meigs Cty, OH, wid appl 11-23-1853 Meigs Cty, OH,
>sol & wife had 3 children but only Jeremiah their 1st child was named &
>in 1853 he was a res of Columbia township, OH, in 1853 a Margaret Bickel
>or Bickle stated sol's 1st wife was her husband's sister.BOOK: See page 41 (for notes) of the Mowrey 1997 book. See book information
below:
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH
ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH
CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
Page 41: 3. Amos (16) Carpenter was born February 1, 1754, married twice and
died on March 31, 1838 in Meigs County, Ohio. He first married a Bickle (given
name not known) before 1793 and, secondly, Margaret McGlaughlin on February 18,
1802 (she was 17 years old and he was 48). Amos served in basically the same
outfits as his brother, Solomon, except for Captain John Lewis' company of
Botetourt Volunteers. He suffered from "shell shock" caused by his experiences
in the Revolutionary War. It is not known whether he and his first wife had
children; however those by his second wife are. Their descendants still live in
Meigs County (created from Gallia), Ohio.E-MAIL:
-----Original Message-----
Attachments: See image under Books, Articles, Wills & Such:
RIN 11075 Amos Carpenter Pension Pay Rolls.pdf
RIN 11075 Amos Carpenter & Hugh McGloughlin Pay Rolls.pdfFrom: geraldmclaughlin@me.com
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:18 PM
To: 'John R. Carpenter'
Subject: RE: Amos Carpenter
Sorry to bother you again.
Looks like Amos Carpenter, John Carpenter and Solomon Carpenter served in
Gist's Regiment with Alexander Breckenridge and Samuel Lapsley.
Hugh McGloughlin also served in Gist's Regiment with Alexander Breckenridge.
Hugh's wife Agnes Gwin was the daughter of David Gwin. Joseph Carpenter
served with David Gwin. Hugh's widow Agnes married James Wiley and their
daughter married John Mclaughlin's son John McLaughlin. Some of his siblings
married Carpenters descended from Joseph Carpenter.
There is quite a bit of cross over in the lists in Gist's regiment that
served with Amos Carpenter and those that served with Hugh McGloughlin...
Owen Carney
James Squires
Samuel Savage
Richard Essex
Alexander Breckenridge
Peter Parish
John Cain
Thomas Roads
CENSUS: 1850 Census of Sutton Township, Meigs county, Ohio (# 1264-1264).
Age 74 and living with Mary (age 49) and John Rollins (age 27 Eng laborer).
Per the Mowrey book there were two Amos Carpenters in Meigs county, OH in
1830. No further information. See page 47.
Was this Amos the second son named Amos of Jeremiah (second marriage) or is he
just miss labeled and should belong to Jeremiah's first wife? OR were the two
Amos Carpenter in 1830 Meigs county cousins?
This William may be in error and belong to another related family.
PARENT: Not proven as son of Amos.
CENSUS: 1840 Census of Letart Township, Meigs county, Ohio page 31.
Joseph Carpenter: 2 males 0-5, 1 male 40-50, 1 female 5-10, & 1 female 20-30.
8251. Miranda or Mirando Carpenter
CENSUS: 1830 Olive Twp., Meigs County, OH, page 245:
Miranda Carpenter (male 20-30) with 1 male 0-5, 1 female 15-20.
!CENSUS: 1840 Olive Twp., Meigs county, OH, page 25:
Mirando W. Carpenter (1 male 40-50), 1 female 20-30, 2 females 5-10, 1 male 0-5,
1 male 5-10, & 1 male 10-15, 2 females 5-10, & 1 female 20-30.
Miranda Carpenter married Ruth Wiley on 4-16-1829 by J. P. Major Reed, Vol. 1,
page 97.
CENSUS: 1830 Census of Bedford Twp., Meigs county, Ohio (page 255), 1 male
15-20..
CENSUS: 1850 Census of Sutton Township, Meigs county, Ohio (# 1264-1264).
Margaret C., Age 74 and living with Mary (age 49) and John Rollins (age 27 Eng laborer).
Note Kanawha is now a county in WV.
NAME: Middle name reported as Hughes, but no proof other than his mother was a Hughes. Years ago, one researcher started adding the mothers maiden name on their direct line. It took a life of its own and some swear by it.
PARENTS: There is a conflict of parents (SEE BELOW). The Mowrey 1997 book
has Soloman has the father of Jeremiah who was captured by indians (and
returned), yet another record listed below has William as the father.
William (........... of Joseph of Capt. Nathaniel Carpenter) and
Soloman (of Soloman, of Joseph of Capt. Nathaniel Carpenter) were cousins.
Is it possible that 2 (TWO) Jeremiahs were captured by indians? Is it possible
that only 1 (ONE) returned? This would help explain the age differences
in the stories and what he supposedly did. Many questions still!!!BOOK: extracted pages - in the book section of the CE.
History of Braxton County and central West Virginia by Sutton, John Davison, 1844-1941, Published 1919 in Sutton, WV, 476 pages.BOOK: See page 41 (for notes) of the Mowrey 1997 book. See book information
below: Page 48 for family.
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH
ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH
CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
Page 41: 3. Amos (16) Carpenter was born February 1, 1754, married twice and
died on March 31, 1838 in Meigs County, Ohio. He first married a Bickle (given
name not known) before 1793 and, secondly, Margaret McGlaughlin on February 18,
1802 (she was 17 years old and he was 48). Amos served in basically the same
outfits as his brother, Solomon, except for Captain John Lewis' company of
Botetourt Volunteers. He suffered from "shell shock" caused by his
experiences in the Revolutionary War. It is not known whether
he and his first wife had children; however those by his second wife are.
Their descendants still live in Meigs County (created from Gallia), Ohio.CHILDREN: Page 49 of the above book notes:
The author does not concur with many reputable Carpenter family
historians on the make-up of Jeremiah and Elizabeth (Hamm) Carpenter's
dozen children. Many list a Rosina Carpenter, who married John Gilpin as
one of their older daughters. (Jesse is not included in the Mowrey book
either) It is far more likely that this Rosina Carpenter is part of the
Nicholas and Christopher Carpenter (nee, Zimmerman) lineage. (Was Jesse also a
Zimmerman descendant?)
!Jeremiah's parentage has been of much debate, however the following should
settle the arguement.
Although there are at least four (4) Jeremiah Carpenters reported to have been
alive in VA in 1750-1800, only ONE is ever known to have been captured by the
indians and held for a lengthy time. All sources agree that the Jeremiah who
lived in present day Braxton County, WV served a lengthy captivity with the
indians.
SEE: Historical Sketches of Alleghany County, VA, page 11, by Gay Arret.
"The indians met (William) Carpenter near his home and killed him and made
prisoners of Jeremiah Carpenter, a son of the slain man, and two sons of
Brown and one woman. The indians despoiled the house and taking some horses
made a rapid retreat." After Jeremiah was captured he was taken to the indian
village called "Old Town." which was across the Ohio River, opposite the mouth
of the Great Kanawha River. He was adopted and lived there until he was
eighteen years old. At that time (about 1773) he was exchanged, an action to
which he was opposed.
Jeremiah served in Colonel William Fleming's Botetourt County regiment at
the battle of Point Pleasant, VA during Lord Dunmore's war.
Jeremiah married Elizabeth Mann and after the American Revolution, he traveled
with his wife and brother, Benjamin, to the Elk River where Centralia, Braxton
County, is now. He made a clearing in the virgin forest and built his home,
about one-fourth of a mile above Dry Run. His brother Benjamin soon went back
to VA, returning with a wife. Ben or Benjamin built his cabin at the mouth of
Holly River, four miles below Jeremiah's home.
After Benjamin and his wife were killed by indians, Jeremiah, his mother and a
niece left their home and made their way up the river. On their escape,
Jeremiah's son, Solomon was born near Camp Run in a cave known as "Saulie's
Rock."
SEE: Calhoun County Lines and Links for Dec. 1983 which states that Jeremiah
sold "a small tract of land on Elk River at the mouth of the Holly river" to
Peter Coger in 1817. The same source also lists Jeremiah's wife as Elizabeth
Mann.Page 43: There weren't many Indians in the area when (grandfather) Joseph made
the first settlement west of the Cowpasture River in Virginia. They were
woodland Indians; Mingo and Delaware and other families of the Shawnee. The area
that Joseph chose on the big bend of the Jackson River was considered part of
their hunting grounds and the mineral spring some thirty-five miles away was
almost a holy place. They did frequent the region on occasion for therapy for a
myriad of infirmities and to hunt. No great note was made of the first few
frontiersmen and settlers but as the encroachment increased they became alarmed
and, agitated by both the British and the French, hostile. With the beginning
of the French and Indian War, forays into the border regions of Virginia
increased. Homesteads in the outlying regions were raided, cabins were burned,
occupants were killed and scalped or taken prisoner for adoption into the
tribe, ransom or later torture and death. The following is a traditional
account of the mid-September Indian attack at Fort Carpenter on the Jackson
River.
The Carpenters had a fort or at least a very strong log house that was used
as a fort to protect them from the Indians when they first settled on the
Jackson River. It was about 16 by 20 feet and built something like a blockhouse
with a huge sleeping loft extending out over all four of the walls. Openings
were left in the chinks of the gable logs and holes drilled in the floors of
the overhang so the Carpenters could shoot out or down at Indians trying to
burn them out. There were two small windows or openings at either end of the
house that could be shuttered from the inside. A huge fireplace and chimney
made out of ledge stones and mortared with clay and wood ashes was directly
across from the front door. The rocks in the chimney were stepped off on one
side to make a ladder to the loft. The doorway was only five foot tall so that
anyone entering would have to duck their head. The door was oak, six inches
thick and could be heavily barred with a log from the inside. It was sturdy as
possible.
Some fifty or so Shawnee attacked the Carpenter fort when the French and
Indian War started. The settlers had been warned of a possible Indian intrusion
into the area and had gathered at the Carpenter cabin for mutual defense. The
house had been moved to higher ground because of flooding, and there was a
natural (Page 44) drainage ditch of sorts around it that had been converted
into an earthworks during previous threats. Several "shebangs" had been set up
in the yard to accommodate all of the people who had rallied there. Less than a
dozen men manned the fortifications.
There were about twenty-five women and children in the compound. Most of
the crops had been harvested and stored. Many of the more able men were out
hunting to add to the food stores for winter. There had been no sign of
Indians. Perhaps the defenders were too relaxed. Children were playing in the
fields. Nicholas (Carpenter - relationship unknown) and his two sons,
unapprised of the danger, arrived seeking someone to assist with his harvest.
Indians usually attack at dawn. The night had passed uneventfully, and it
was late morning. The Shawnee had used the darkness to get in as close to the
cabin as they could and were lying in the surrounding forest waiting for the
most opportune time to attack. There was some confusion- not panic- as the
battle began. Some men met the charge at the dirt wall. Others herded everyone
into the fort. The Indians came in from all directions.
The skirmish didn't last long. Those who weren't killed or captured in the
initial charge could only hold their position for a few hours. The stone
chimney was pulled down leaving a huge opening in the wall where the fireplace
had been. Nine men were killed, scalped and their bodies mutilated. Nicholas
Carpenter was among them- the only Carpenter man killed! Stephen Sewell, James
Mayse, James Montgomery, Nicholas Nutt, John Byrd, George Kincaid, a man named
Boyle and another named Fry were the other defenders killed. Everyone else,
including Joseph (uncle) (14) Carpenter, was taken prisoner. Several children
named Byrd, five children called Carpenter (including this Jeremiah) and two
Persinger children were among the fifteen abducted by the Indians.
The captives were linked chain gang fashioned by ropes in four groups and
forced marched the rest of that day toward the Great Kanawah that would take
them west to Ohio country. Joseph (14) Carpenter supposedly escaped the second
night that the group camped. He had hidden a small pen knife in his hair,
managed to free himself and slip away under the cover of darkness. Some will
say that he bargained for his release (he had been tried and convicted of
selling guns, powder and shot to some Indians about a year previously), but by
the time he got back to the scene of the slaughter and rounded up a posse of
men, including some sons, it was too late to pursue the rapidly moving red men.
They had more than a two day head start.
A few of these captives were eventually repatriated during Colonel Boquet's
expedition into Ohio for that purpose in 1764. This Jeremiah (16) and his
brother Solomon (16) Carpenter were among those so released. Most of them
were never heard of again, having been adopted into the tribes as sons and
replacements for fallen warriors as well as wives for the braves. Some may have
been sold to other Indians (Page 45) and some were surely killed. For most,
their fate remains forever unknown!
Page 45: The Carpenter family has more sagas than the Vikings- some true and
some to be "taken with a grain of salt". Many of the latter described tales
involve Jeremiah (This one!) during his captivity. One, out of New England, has
him successfully "running the gauntlet" only to anger an Indian at the end of
the line who poked out Jeremiah's eye with a deer antler. Another from the
Braxton/Webster County area has him becoming too interested in a young Indian
maiden named "Sutney" as a young teenager and so angering an old squaw
(presumeably her mother) that she attempted to kill him by hitting him in the
head with a hoe. Sutney took him down to the river, washed out his wounds and
gradually nursed him back to health. Jeremiah's exact interest in her has never
been revealed, but he became so enamored with her kindness and compassion that
he married her after his escape. Family lore has him shooting a pursuing Indian
"betwixt the eyes" across the Ohio River from Point Pleasant during his
so-called escape. The Indians were so impressed with this supernatural feat
that they chose not to chase him any further. One account even attributes the
marksmanship to "red-haired Jesse Carpenter"- Jeremiah's younger brother, of
course!
The weight of the evidence suggests that Jeremiah could not have been much
more than a babe in arms when he was abducted. From 1756 until 1764 is only
eight years. Surprising accomplishments indeed for an individual that young.MISC: Court data provided:
Vol. 2 P 69 Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement in VA. Lyman
Chalkley Orig. published 1912 From reprint 1989 (Augusta C. records)
McDowell vs. Robinson -O S 27: N.S 9 Bill dated May 5, 1791
Elizabeth McDowell , widow of James McDowell, who died Oct 1771,
intestate, leaving an only son James, an infant. Samuel McDowell of Kentucky.,
brother of James, qualified with Elizabeth, as Admrs. Deposition of Samuel
McDowell in Mercer C. Kentucky, Nov 20, 1792. Elizabeth brought suit in
Botetourt in 1772 against Solomon Carpenter, which was tried in 1784. Solomon
died before 1784, intestate, leaving several children, of whom Thomas was
oldest; also a son, Jeremiah Carpenter. John Carpenter was son and heir of
Thomas Carpenter. Copy of deed, Aug 12, 1779. Moses Mann, son and heir of
John Mann, dec'd of Botetourt, and Fanny, his wife, to Jeremiah Carpenter
of Greenbrier C. Proved in Botetourt, Aug 1779.
Per Adrienne Pappas at aagg@pop.erols.com in Sept. 1998.http://www.gencircles.com/users/carpenter/1/data/370
Old family version with a dozen children.
Jeremiah "Jerry" CARPENTER 17 SmartMatches
Birth: 1755 in Jackson River area, Augusta County, VA
Death: After. 1830 in Nicholas County, VA
Sex: M
Father: William CARPENTER b. 1730
Mother: Kate UNKNOWN
Military Service: 1774 Joined Capt John Lewis' company at the Battle of Point Pleasant.
Spouses & Children
Elizabeth MANN\HAMM (Wife)
Marriage: 8 MAR 1785 in Alderson, VA
Children:
Lyhua (Libby) CARPENTER b. About. 1789
Solomon CARPENTER b. About. 1792 in Solomon's Rock (Webster) WV
Rebecca CARPENTER b. 1 Apr 1793
Mary "Polly" CARPENTER b. About. 1795
Joseph CARPENTER b. About. 1797
Nancy CARPENTER b. About. 1804
Amos CARPENTER b. About. 1805
Sidna CARPENTER b. About. 1806
Jeremiah CARPENTER b. About. 1807
Judy CARPENTER b. About. 1809
John S. CARPENTER b. About. 1815
CHILDREN: Most of the children probably belongs to the Jeremiah of William and
not Jeremiah of Solomon. However there are "extra" children that still
have to be sorted out.MARRIAGE:
http://books.google.com/books?id=XSnIvRR9x9cC&lpg=PA158&dq=%22jeremiah%20carpenter%22%20%22john%20lewis%22&pg=PA158#v=onepage&q=%22jeremiah%20carpenter%22%20%22john%20lewis%22&f=false
Virginia Valley Records. Genealogical and Historical Materials of Rockingham County, Virginia, and Related Regions By David A. Heatwole, Rockingham Supplement - Page 158 - 1785 ... March 8, Jeremiah Carpenter & Elizabeth Hamm ...NAME: Last name is Hamm not Mann as reported in various genealogies.
Per Mowrey's 1997 book.
!Letter dated 25 Jan. 1998: "At any rate many descendants of my direct
Ancestor, Jeremiah, son of Solomon and nephew of Thomas, has Jeremiah marrying
Elizabeth Mann (supposedly a granddaughter of Moses). She was not! Her name
was definately Elizabeth Hamm. I saw the orginal marriage bond in Greenbrier
County, west Virginia and can not fathom how anyone could mistaken an old
English script capital H for an M or three humped m's for n's. Jeremiah
married Elizabeth Hamm in 1785 and his second cousin, Job Hughes, married Mary
Hamm in 1791. I rather suspect that a William and Drury Hamm who can be found
in the 1785 Tax Lists for Augusta County, Virginia are related to or parents of
these women. It is all that I've found . . ." Paul T. Mowrey.Elizabeth Mann (Hamm) was probably married one of the Jeremiah Carpenters in
this file. Because of the pointed and well put arguements, both versions
are given in this record. TWO JEREMIAHS ARE THUS SHOWN. Children common to
one are shown with that one. Children common to both are shown under the
Mowrey description.BIRTH: Jeremiah was born (1755) on the Big Bend of Jackson River, Augusta Co.
VA. The Portion of the Elk River Valley near the mouth of Holly River in
Braxton Co. was first settled by Jeremiah and Benjamin Carpenter and a
few families form Bath Co. Va. However, the settlement worked up stream,
instead of down, and the Carpenter descendants were quite populous early
this century in the Webster Co. towns of Erbacon and Diana.
Jeremiah Carpenter was captured about the age of nine by the Shawnee
Indians. He lived with the Shawnee until he was about age 19 yrs.Married
Elizabeth Mann, d/o John & Francis Elizabeth (Carpenter) Mann. Agusta Co.
Court Records show that John Mann, married Damis Carpenter. Francis
Carpenter Mann, was the aunt of Jeremiah Carpneter, and Elizabeth his
wife his first cousin. It is often thought that perhaps Elizabeth was the
Shawnee maiden that Jeremiah was said to have loved and returned to the
Shawnee Village after his escape to bring back to marry. Perhaps his
aunt and uncle took Elizabeth into their home to protect her from the
others in the village and adopted her as their own, untill she could
marry Jeremiah.
Jeremiah lived in the village of Old Town with the Shawnee, when captured
was with a neighbor friend by the name of Holcomb, the Holcomb boy was
killed by the Shawnee.
Benjamin & Jeremiah Carpenter were young boy growing up on the outer
fringes of the frontier in Western Virginia. The indians, by then pushed
west of the Blue Ridge, were nerovus about the advancing whites, and
peace between the two peoples was unreliable and at times nonexist
Jeremiah and Elizabeth Mann Carpenter both buried in the Skidmore Bottom
near the Juncture of Holly and Elk Rivers.
Other sources say he is buried at Union Mills, Braxton Co. WV. The first
white settler in the county"; lived Braxton, captured by Indians age
9-18; settled on Elk River near the mouth of Holly, settled Skidmore
Bottom, bef. ca. 1792.
History of Braxton Co. & Central WV, by Sutton, p. 360-364.
Jerry & Benjamin Carpenter settled on the Elk in the vicinity of the
mouth of Holly early in the history of the valley. They were brothers and
it is thought that they came from the Greenbrier valley. Jerry had been
carried into the region beyond the Ohio by Indians when a small boy. He
remained with them until man grown before returning to civilized life. He
settled on what was afterwards known as the John P. Hosey farm &
Benjamin, his brother, erected a cabin at the place now occupied by the
little town of Palmer.
A man by the name of O'Brien blazed a trail from the Ohio by way of
the Trace Fork of Steer Creek to the mouth of the Holly. It is not known
at what point he settled, but he marked the way because he did not know
woodcraft well enough to travel without some other guide besides what
nature provided. The Carpenters having spent most of their lives in the
woods could travel for days in any given direction without either a
compass or marks made upon trees with an axe or hunting knife. When they
could not see the sun, they traveled in the proper direction by frequent
examinations of the moss on the tree trunks near the ground. White men
learned from the Indians that the moss grew in the greatest profusion on
the side facing the north. It appears that the Indians did not know of
the Elk settlement until they found O'Brien's trail and followed it
eastward. They came to the house of Benjamin Carpenter and finding his
wife and small child at home both were tomahawked and scalped. The
husband was down under the bank of the river graining a deer skin. He
was soon found and shot at by one of the four Indians in the marauding
party,but the bullet flew wide of its intended mark. Carpenter ran to the
house for his gun. He reached the door and was in the act of getting his
rifle from its rack above the door when he was killed by one of the party
concealed in the house by a bullet from his own gun, which the Indian had
obtained when the cabin was entered, Nancy, a sister of the brothers, was
taken prisoner and the party soon began their homeward journey after the
cabin had been set fire.
Some days before the Indians made their appearance, Jerry (Jeremiah)
went to Fork Lick, for the purpose of hunting buffaloes. He killed one
and jerked a quanity of the meat. Building a rude boat, using the skin
for the purpose, he arrived at the mouth of Holly a short time after the
redskins had left. The cabin was still burning and he was horrified to
see his sister-in-law, who had been scalped and left for dead, walking in
the yard in front of the burning cabin. She was tenderly taken in his
strong arms and carried to the boat, but she died before the opposite
bank was reached. Carpenter prepared to follow the Indinas and rescue his
sister. He was joined in the pursuit by a man by the name of Hughes(
Jesse Hughes), a noted frontier warrior, and another man whose name is
unknown. They had no difficulty in taking up the trail and pursuing it at
rapid pace. The Indians traveled with leisure because they probably
thought that they would not be followed. They were overtaken on Steer
Creek and completely surprised by a well planned method of attack.
Carpenter had told his companions that the first act of the savages, when
they were attacked, would be to kill their prisoner. The attack was
stealthily made and three of the Indians fell before the unerring aim of
the frontier riflemen. The fourth Indian before the reverberations of the
rifle reports had died away threw a tomahawk at the captive woman, but
she dodged the well-directed blow. Snatching up another tomahawk he
started in pursuit of the fleeing woman, but Hughes, like an infuriated
wild beast sprang after him and buried his hachet in his head before he
got in any stricking distance.
The Indians were not scalped, but Carpenter cut a strip of skin
about three inches wide and two feet long from the back of one of them,
beginning at the base of the skull and including a tuft of hair. This
strip was afterwards tanned and used by him for a razor strap. It became
an heir-loom in the Carpenter family. It was in the possession of John L.
Carpenter at the time of the Civil War. William Perrine carried it off,
and , when he was captured by Federal soldiers that gruesome relic of the
days of barbarity and savagery was taken away from him, but what
disposition was made of it is not known.
When Carpenter returned home, he was informed that another party of
Indians were still on the east side of the Ohio River. He took his wife
and scanty supply of necessary articles with them and went up Laurel
creek to the mouth of a small run. Here he found a safe retreat under a
large, projecting rock. His oldest son, Solomon, was born in what is now
Webster County. The stream was called Camp run and it still bears that
name. It is not known when the Carpenter family was murdered but it was
some years before Dunmore's war, which occurred in 1774. [Note Solomon
Carpenter born, 12 Oct. 1792)
They settled in the Elk valley soon after the treaty of Fort Stanwix
in western New York in 1768, which opened up the region west of the
mountains to settlements.
John L. Carpenter, a son of Solomon Carpenter, Sr. married Nancy
Perrine. They settled at the mouth of Missouri run where the town of
Erbacon is now situated. He became the father of the following children:
Dianah, Joseph, Agens, Jane, William Hamilton, Amos, Mary, Catherine and
Estelline. John L. was an herb doctor of splendid ability. He compounded
his own medicine from plants and roots obtained by himself in the woods.
He had a good farm and was an exemplary man, a model farmer and a
law-abiding citzen.
Source Wesbster Co. WV. history. Moccasin Tracks & Other Imprints,
Dodrill.
West Virginians in the Rev.
Carpenter, Jeremiah is buried at Union Mills, Braxton Co. WV.
Nicholas Co. 1820 census:
C615 CARPENTER, Jeremiah NO TWP LISTED # 207
C615 CARPENTER, Jeremiah Jun. NO TWP LISTED # 207
C615 CARPENTER, Solomon NO TWP LISTED # 207
Nicholas 1830
C615 CARPENTER, AMOS # 175 NO TOWNSHIP LISTED
C615 CARPENTER, JEREMIAH # 175 NO TOWNSHIP LISTED
C615 CARPENTER, SOLOMON # 174 NO TOWNSHIP LISTED
Source:Land Office Patents and Grants, Library of Va.
Carpenter, Jeremiah, 25 April 1789, Harrison Co. Va. 180 ac. on Elk river
beginning and about two and half miles above the mouth of Halley Creek.
Grants 19, pg. 392. (This area is now in Braxton Co. WV.)
Carpenter, Jeremiah, 10 Oct. 1822 Nicholas Co. Va. 50 ac. on Elk River
including Jeremiah Carpenters House and Orchard. Grants 71, pg. 304.
MARRIAGE: Alderson, Rockingham Co. Va.ANOTHER HISTORY: Submmitted by John L. Carpenter via E-MAIL on 7 Jan 2000:
Notes for JEREMIAH CARPENTER: volume 30, tree 0261.
CARPENTER FAMILY - SOURCE: MOCCASIN TRACKS AND OTHER IMPRINTS, Dodrill.
Jerry and Benjamin Carpenter settled on the Elk in the vicinity of the
mouth of Holly early in the history of the valley. They were brothers & it is
thought that they came from the Greenbrier valley. Jerry had been carried into
the region beyond the Ohio by Indians when a small boy. He remained with them
until man grown before returning to civilized life. He settled on what was
afterwards known as the John P. Hosey farm and Benjamin, his brother, erected a
cabin at the place now occupied by the little town of Palmer.
A man by the name of O'BRIEN blazed a trail from the Ohio by way of the
Trace Fork of Steer Creek to the mouth of the Holly. It is not known at what
point he settled, but he marked the way because he did not know woodcraft well
enough to travel without some other guide besides what nature provided. The
Carpenters having spent most of their lives in the woods could travel for days
in any given direction without either a compass or marks made upon trees with
an axe or hunting knife. When they could not see the sun, they traveled in the
proper direction by frequent examinations of the moss on the tree trunks near
the ground. White men learned from the Indians that the moss grew in the
greatest profusion on the side facing the north. It appears that the Indians
did not know of the Elk settlement until they found O'Brien's trail and
followed it eastward. They came to the house of Benjamin Carpenter and finding
his wife and small child at home both were tomahawked and scalped. The husband
was down under the bank of the river graining a deerskin. He was soon found
and shot at by one of the four Indians in the marauding party, but the bullet
flew wide of its intended mark. Carpenter ran to the house for his gun. He
reached the door and was in the act of getting his rifle from its rack above
the door when he was killed by one of the party concealed in the house by a
bullet from his own gun, which the Indian had obtained when the cabin was
entered. Nancy, a sister of the brothers, was taken prisoner and the party
soon began their homeward journey after the cabin had been set afire.
Some days before the Indians made their appearance, Jerry went to Fort
Lick for the purpose of hunting buffaloes. He killed one and jerked a quantity
of the meat. Building a rude boat, using the skin for the purpose, he arrived
at the mouth of Holly a short time after the redskins had left. The cabin was
still burning and he was horrified to see his sister-in-law, who had been
scalped and left for dead, walking in the yard in front of the burning cabin.
She was tenderly taken in his strong arms and carried to the boat, but she died
before the opposite bank was reached. Carpenter prepared to follow the Indians
and rescue his sister. He was joined in the pursuit, by a man by the name of
HUGHES (Jesse), a noted frontier warrior, and another man whose name is
unknown. They had no difficulty in taking up the trail and pursuing it at a
rapid pace. The Indians traveled with leisure because they probably thought
that they would not be followed. They were overtaken on Steer Creek and
completely surprised by a well-planned method of attack. Carpenter had told
his companions that the first act of the savages, when they were attacked,
would be to kill their prisoner. The attack was stealthily made and 3 of the
Indians fell before the unerring aim of the frontier riflemen. The fourth
Indian before the reverberations of the rifle reports had died away threw a
tomahawk at the captive woman, but she dodged the well-directed blow.
Snatching up another tomahawk, he started in pursuit of the fleeing woman, but
HUGHES, like an infuriated wild beast sprang after him and buried his hatchet
in his head before he got in any striking distance. The Indians were not
scalped, but Carpenter cut a strip of skin about 3 inches wide and 2 feet long
from the back of one of them, beginning at the base of the skull and including
a tuft of hair. This strip was afterwards tanned and used by him for a razor
strap. It became an heirloom in the Carpenter family. It was in the possession
of John L. Carpenter at the time of the Civil War. William Perrine carried it
off, and when he was captured by Federal soldiers that gruesome relic of the
days of barbarity and savagery was taken away from him, but what disposition
was made of it is not known.
When Carpenter returned home, he was informed that another party of
Indians were still on the east side of the Ohio. He took his wife and a scanty
supply of necessary articles with him and went up Laurel Creek to the mouth of
a small run. Here he found a safe retreat under a large, projecting rock. His
oldest son, Solomon, was born the first night spent in that strange habitation.
This was called Camp Run and it still bears that name. It is not known when
the Carpenter family was murdered but it was some years before Dunmore's War,
which occurred in 1774. (but Solomon was b. 1783)
They settled in the Elk valley soon after the treaty of Fort Stanwix in
western New York in 1768, which opened up the region west of the mountains to
settlement.
John L., a son of Solomon Carpenter, married Nancy Perrine. They settled
at the mouth of Missouri Run where the town of Erbacon is now situated. He
became the father of the following children:
(see under John L). John L was an herb doctor of splendid ability. He
compounded his own medicine from plants and roots obtained by him in the woods.
He had a good farm and was an exemplary man, a model farmer and a law-abiding
citizen.
Child of JEREMIAH CARPENTER and NANCY is:
3. i. SOLOMON CARPENTER, b. 1784, Braxton/Webster County, West Virginia;
d. Aft. 1860, Braxton/Webster County, West Virginia.
8254. Jesse Carpenter See Notes
Not even listed in the Mowrey 1997 book. Who was he?
NOT PROVEN AS A CHILD.