Group 3 - Descendants of William Carpenter-98-
Father of William Carpenter-584 (b. abt 1605)
Notes
4038.
John Carpenter
NOTE:
This is NOT John Carpenter (RIN 20909) Number 873 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 151.
While this Carpenter line is a Rehoboth (Group 3) line based on descendant Y-DNA testing it has unique DYS markers. This descendant line has a common DYS448=21 and DYS576=19.
RESEARCH: Further research efforts are underway trying to confirm the ancestry of this John Carpenter. We know he is a descendant of Hope Carpenter RIN 12716.
BIRTH: NY or NJ?
Speculated NY based upon ... From Cyclopedia of Mon, Marion and Taylor counties page 124 marion county section regarding John Harr John M. Harr was born in Booth's Creek district Taylor county November 15 1839 He is a son of Richard and Lurana (Carpenter) Harr. Richard Hall was born in Marion County, 1808. Worked extensively in Taylor County. He married Lurana, a daughter of JOHN CARPENTER, formerly of Long Island, New York but a resident and citizen of Marion county at the time of the marriage.
Jeff Carpenter comments:
This [the above] is about as tertiary of a source as you could find. Also, it was Monongalia not Marion county at the time of the marriage....but it was all that I had. He very well could have been born in NJ then moved to NY prior to working his way to WV through PA. Or, Lurana may just have been referring to the source of the Carpenters as she understood it (Jamaica, NY).
ARTICLE: "Carpenters of the South," by Terry L. Carpenter, e-mail 1999: diluvius@flash.net, FHL 929.273 C225 ctl, chapter entitled "John Carpenter of Monongalia and Marion Counties, West Virginia", pages 1-4, published in 1990: "John Carpenter was born c1765 in NY or NJ and died c1827 in VA (DARM: 63, 560). He was possibly descended from John....... This John Carpenter's father, John Carpenter, was born c1710-1750 (probably around 1740), married Anna ---, and was a native of NY according to GSM (Goldie Sweet Martin, "Those Martins of Ours, and Some Related Families," Portland, Oregon 1979.) He could be a son of John and Mary (Drivers) Carpenter. There is strong evidence of some type of connection in the family names of descendants, but more research is needed. John Carpenter of Monongalia Cny VA married Nancy Miller c 1785 (GSM)." Their children listed. See C-3, #1, pages 1-4.
ARTICLE: "Some Martin Cousins", Goldie Sweet Martin and Dorothy Martin Bayless, 1979, pages 222-224: "Carpenter, John, Sr. (John 1 to Long Island 1700 and Anna) married Nancy Miller." Eight of their children and their spouses given. See M-17.
NOTE: Data submitted 19 Jun 1979 from Mary B. Carpenter, Star Route 6, Box 198, Lewisburg, W.Va, 24901.
AF: Ancestral File, 1998 Edition submitted in 1997 by Donald and Judith Brothers, HC33, Box 1176, Boise, ID 83706. "John Carpenter, b. 1765, NY, fa. John Carpenter, mo. Anna, sp. Nancy Miller" Children given as: "John M., Prudence Lucy, Ashman, Mary, David G., Jane, Lorenna, Rowena, Elizabeth, Nancy Ann and Elmira." Only John M. has spouses given. [In 1999 Jan wrote to the Brothers, but did not hear back.]
MORE:
Was John married twice, first to Nancy Miller and second to Ann ---? If so, it would appear that the first children are Nancy's and the later children Ann's. See notes of the children, especially Lucy Prudence, Lorenna/Lurana, etc. See also C-3, #3, a copy of the 1993 Ancestral File submission of John Carpenter and Sarah Mary Driver. It would appear that their son John was born in 1747 in Gloucester, NJ. Further, it would seem unlikely, based on his birth date, that he could be this John.
MIGRATION PATTERNS: Robert M. Hershman reported via e-mail on 28 Apr 1998 that many of the lines he has researched "came to central WV from either NY or NJ. The migration pattern included their stopping for a period in Hampshire, Hardy County, WV or Frederick Co., MD."
NOTE: Does this appy to this Carpenter family?
CARPENTER-MILLER CONNECTION - see wife Ann Miller's notes.
AND:
The following notes are from Patty Carpenter Helms, 1998: "John died in 1827 believed to be in Monongalia County, VA. His daughters were married in Monongalia County, and he is listed in the 1810, 1820 Monongalia census. He is also listed in the Virginia Tax records. NOTE: John bought property with William Miller on Siscoe's Run [1805]. Is William Miller a brother-in-law?
SPOUSE:
Wives may have been of NY or VA? Ann is a confirmed spouse. Miller or Mueller for maiden name?
Jeff Carpenter wrote:
Actually, Ann Miller (if she is of the Palatine Mueller family) was born in NJ as well and only moved to NY later if I am remembering correctly. ...
COMMENT: An example of possibles found.
POSSIBLE ANCESTORS: On 9 July 2000, Paul Shroyer sent a five page report with Carpenter descendants. John Carpenter, below, was given as "Generation No. 16", with the following ancestors. See Jan Hornick's "Gen - Carpenter Descendants - Paul Shroyer - July 2000" in her Word file, along with a Gen Forum discussion of William Carpenter, born 1605, Generation 11.
"JOHN16 CARPENTER II (JOHN15, JOHN14, CAPT. HOPE13, CAPT. JOHN12, WILLIAM BATT11, WILLIAM10, WILLIAM9, WILLIAM8, JOHN7, JAMES6, WILLIAM5, JOHN4, JOHN3, RICHARD2, JOHN1) was born Abt. 1762 in Long Island N.Y., and died Bef. 1827 in Marion Co. W.Va.. He married NANCY ANNA MILLER Abt. 1785. She was born Abt. 1767 in Marion Co. W.Va.."
CENSUS: 1790 US Census - WHERE? Larry provides ...
(a) 1790 New York (Warwick, Orange County) Census: the record indicates John Carpenter resided in Warrick; the household included 2 males (1 under 16 years of age) and 2 females ... our family records indicate that in 1790 John was married to Anne Miller and they had a 3-year old boy (John S) and a 1-year old girl (Jane)
Our family records also indicate that the family migrated to (W)Va after 1785 marriage of John and Anne, and after the birth of John S in 1787; our records indicate that John S and his sister were born in NY
It might just be coincidence, but our family records match the Warwick Census.
JRC adds...
Name: John Carpenter
Home in 1790 (City, County, State): Warwick, Orange, New York
Free White Persons - Males - Under 16: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 16 and over: 2
Free White Persons - Females: 2
Number of Household Members: 5
Source Citation
Year: 1790; Census Place: Warwick, Orange, New York; Series: M637; Roll: 6; Page: 393; Image: 345; Family History Library Film: 0568146
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1790 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: First Census of the United States, 1790 (NARA microfilm publication M637, 12 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
CENSUS: 1800 US Census - WHERE? Larry provides ...
(b) Jeff provide Randall and me with a copy of the 1900 (typo should be 1800) US Census Record for Franklin, Greene County PA; the information in the census matches the number in household that is a good match to what our Family Records, i.e., Males: 1 that was10-16 (John S was 13); 1 26-44 (John was 40); Female: 1 between 26-44 (Nancy 35); and 4 females under 10 (Mary, Prudence, Elizabeth, Ashman) ... Franklin, Greene County is about 15 north of the WV-PA border; it is about 30 miles from Fairmont where John (124706) raised his family ... I visited the courthouse and genealogy society ... Waynesburg was created in 1896 ... the PA Septennial Census and the 1900 (typo should be 1800) Federal Census were reviewed ... but, in reviewing the land records John (124706) was not found to be a land owner ... thus, our belief is that John and his family were either in the process of migrating or for some reason they were temporarily located in Franklin PA
(c) We have land records that John and Anne owned property in Union District in the Fairmont WV area ... however, the records do not show how he acquired the property ... the records we have show how his farm was sold after his death in 1827; the records clearly show that land was owned by John and Anne Carpenter ... FYI: Timothy's father resides on a portion of John's original farm; and Timothy is a minister for the church located in the area where John and Anne resided.
LAND: 1801
See document RIN 124706 John Carpenter.doc under Books, Article & Such in the sub-folder named RIN 124706 John Carpenter.
John Carpenter in Monongalia County is 1801 (Patty Helms may have a 1799 property purchase by him….I don’t) and reads as follows from the old deed books-OS 2 page 383 - James and Dorothy Dunn to Joseph Kratzer. 56 acres on water of Buffelow, south end of tract Dunn now lives on, adjoining John Magee, William Miller and John Carpenter. (I think this land is actually on the east side but by the wording should be on the west) In the next year or so he buys land on the east side of the Monongahela So the timing fits for both Ann being in Virginia upwards of 40 years and that Thomas S. Haymond knowing Ann for upwards of 40 years in the 1845 affidavit.
LAND: 1805
RichardCLarson@aol.com wrote 29 July 2005: There "is a purchase in Monongalia County for land in 1805 by John Carpenter on Pricketts creek from William Miller. Cisoes run.
Larry confirms this in an email on 21 Feb 2018.
Larry went to the Monongalia County Records room focusing on Tax Records, Land Records, and Survey Records for time period around 1800-1830 ... This time, I was able to find John Carpenter living in Prickett's Fort area and paying land taxes for 1806, 1807, and 1808 ... there was a lapse of time before he showed up again in the years 1817, 1818, 1819, and 1820 ... and, in 1824, his son John Jr. shows up in the tax records.
TAX:
Patty Carpenter Helms, 1998: [John] is also listed in the Virginia Tax records.
NEED TO FIND. See LAND 1805 Larry Carpenter's email info.
CENSUS: 1810 US Census - remember there are 2 Johns - father & son!
Name: Jno Carpenter [John Carpenter]
Home in 1810 (City, County, State): Monongalia, Virginia
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 2 ----> b. 1765 or before - who is the other male? The father John!
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 2
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 4
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over : 1
Number of Household Members Under 16: 8
Number of Household Members Over 25: 3
Number of Household Members: 12
Source Citation
Year: 1810; Census Place: Monongalia, Virginia; Roll: 69; Page: 488; Image: 00780; Family History Library Film: 0181429
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1810 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Third Census of the United States, 1810. (NARA microfilm publication M252, 71 rolls). Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
NOTE:
The 1810 Census indicates another son, probably born in the late 1700's, according to information found in that census by Patty [Carpenter] Helms, April 1998. This would explain the gap around 1790-1793.
MORE: Likey by Patty?
In 1810 there were 9 children listed as living in the household; it lists 2 males under the age of 10 which would account for David born 1803, Ashman born 1801; 1 male age 16-26 not sure of who this could. Is there another brother not accounted for? 2 males age 45 & up, one is John the father, who is the other? 2 females under the age of 10 which is probably Rhoanna and Lurenna and Phoebe; 4 females ages 10-16.
CENSUS: 1820 US Census
Name: John Carpenter
Home in 1820 (City, County, State): Eastern Division, Monongalia, Virginia
Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 18: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 2
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over : 1 <---- b. bef 1775
Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture: 3
Free White Persons - Under 16: 3
Free White Persons - Over 25: 2
Total Free White Persons: 8
Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 8
Source Citation
1820 U S Census; Census Place: Eastern Division, Monongalia, Virginia; Page: 66; NARA Roll: M33_142; Image: 127
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1820 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fourth Census of the United States, 1820. (NARA microfilm publication M33, 142 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
DEATH: now estimated as being about June or July 1826
Death bef 26 April 1828 probate date per Jeff Carpenter in his excellent document.
See document RIN 124706 John Carpenter.doc under Books, Article & Such in the sub-folder named RIN 124706 John Carpenter.
and ...
Died bef 1837 in present day Monongalia County WV per Randall Carpenter in Feb 2015. No proof given. Unproven.
and ...
INVENTORY: See Notebook II, page 40 - Information on a John Carpenter, Inv. 7-13-1826 and Sale Bill 10-21-1826. See original records - See ESTATE: below.
NOTE: Inventory usually done after death. IE before 13 Jul 1826. - See ESTATE below.
and ...
Marriage Bonds of Monongalia County, which were extracted in the D.A.R. Magazine from 1928-1932. The Marriage Bond for Rhuanna Carpenter and William Barnes, dated March 5, 1826, lists John Carpenter as the father of the bride. However, the Marriage Bond for Lurenna Carpenter and Richard Harr, dated October 23, 1827, lists “John Carpenter, dec” as the father of the bride. If these transcriptions are accurate, they would imply that John Carpenter died in Monongalia County sometime between March 5, 1826 and July 13, 1826. Submitted by Bill Carpenter aka "William Carpenter"
ESTATE:
See document Estate of John Carpenter-124706 under Books, Article & Such in the folder named RIN 124706 John Carpenter then sub-folder John Carpenter Estate. This has 12 images and a text report prepared by William "Bill" Carpenter < wwcarpenter@msn.com >
on 15 Apr 2016.
LAND: 1828
See document RIN 185324 John Carpenter.doc under Books, Article & Such in the sub-folder named RIN 185324 John Carpenter. This has the image within.
Partial transcript of 1828 Land Sale Heirs of John Carpenter
This indenture made the 26th day of April in the year of our Lord one Thousand eight hundred and twenty eight between George Martin and Prudence his wife william Baker and Elizabeth his wife David Carpenter and Sarah his wife Ashman Carpenter and Emily his wife Richard Harr and Lureigner his wife Phebe Carpenter and Ann Carpenter of the County of Monongalia and State of Virginia of the one part and Jacob V Hickman of the county and state aforesaid of the other part witneseth that the said George Martin and Prudence his wife William Baker and Elizabeth his wife David Carpenter and Sarah his wife Ashman Carpenter and Emily his wife Richard Harr and Lureigner his wife Phebe Carpenter and Ann Carpenter the widow of the late John Carpenter hath for and in consideration of ….
David Knows a Good Thing when he sees it: Stays in Virginia after his Dad’s death while the rest of the family journeys on to Richland County Ohio.
See document noted above which has an image of the plat map - notice Thomas S. Haymond was their neighbor.
LAND: 1830 Deed
Descendant Gary Baker, garyb@strategic.com, wrote 26 Apr 2002: "Also found a Monongalia Co. deed dated March 1830 from John Carpenter heirs (11 of them) including William Baker and wife Elizabeth selling Pricket Creek property to Ebenezer Graham. There were other parcels sold by John Carpenter heirs in 1839 as well. I think this resolves my question about where William's sons got money to buy 150 Ac. while in their 20's. in the 1840's - [from] mom [of] Elizabeth (Carpenter)."
E-MAIL:
Attachment, See document RIN 124706 John Carpenter.doc under Books, Article & Such in the sub-folder named RIN 124706 John Carpenter.
From: Carpenter, Jeffrey
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 11:00 PM
To: John R Carpenter ; Larry.carpenter@yahoo.com ; wvjcarp@yahoo.com ; John 00 Chandler ; Terry 00 Carpenter
Cc: carpenter114@comcast.net ; Msweeney1104@hotmail.com ; rcarpenter69@yahoo.com ; analytix@valley.net ;
Subject: Re: Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project - part of Group 3 - an oddity, a lineage problem & a possible solution
Hey John R Carpenter (and others),
The preponderance of the evidence suggests that Ann or Anna is the mother of David G and Ashman (they had many other siblings as well but only these matter for this discussion) and this is detailed in the attached word document. Who John Carpenter’s (b approx 1764 NY) father is … is the real question. The genetics suggest his father was Ashman #21897 or a sibling of #21897. That gives a couple of generations to develop the DYS448=21 and DYS576=19 deviations that match with FTDNA #258429 and #37035 (and clearly do not match with the Samuel #3341 or John #12521 lines). Just missing the tie in (damn revolutionary war). Is FTD#471861 going to be added to the project or does his info come from another source?
I don’t think the John M theory will pan out but I appreciate everyone’s help.
Thanks
Jeff
Jeffrey S. Carpenter, M.D. Professor of Radiology, Neurology and Neurosurgery West Virginia University School of Medicine
E-MAIL:
From: Larry Carpenter
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:41 PM
To: John R. Carpenter
Cc: John 00 Chandler ; Terry 00 Carpenter ; Jeffrey Carpenter ; Randall Carpenter
Subject: Re: Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project - 798469 - released signed! - Group 3 (3a?) revisit?
John: results for 798469 (Tim) were as expected ... thanks for your email, attachments, and thoughts ... I added Randall to this email chain ... over the past year or so we did expend some effort to track down John (124706) ... the following is a summary of my activities; Jeff and Randall can chime in ... but, I think we are at a dead end street and in need of some help ... previously:
1) Randall relayed to Jeff and me that he had contacted and forwarded some info to Glen Norman Carpenter ... Glen lives in Fairmont WV which is where Jeff and I grew up ... as my wife and I were and still are care-giving for parents in Fairmont I took on the task to connect with Glen ... although I visited his home and ultimately talked with him on the telephone; he was not a real cooperative individual ... flashing forward about a 15 months and I ran into Glen's son Timothy (798469) at the hospital as I was visiting my first cousin who was fighting lung cancer; Timothy is a country minister in Fairmont and was also visiting my first cousin ... Tim and I had several conversations, I provided him some paper copies of information, and collectively determined that he was not only my cousin but the cousin of the young woman that he was visiting in the hospital ... thanks to Jeff for providing the DNA kit ... and, thanks to Tim for agreeing to take the test ... Jeff, Tim, Randall and I are direct descendants of John (124706) ... we have shared family history; and, we all can tie ourselves back to John (124706) ... Tim and his family believe the 1950s family history developed by a local lawyer that we descended from 3 Carpenter brothers who migrated to New York; one going to Fort Pitt, one to North Carolina, and one to the Virginia salt works ... Jeff and I have the same information, but abandon that thought as we became involved in the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA project
2) Jeff relayed to Randall and me some records he had uncovered; both appeared to fit John (124706) and his family ... the records are:
(a) 1790 New York (Warwick, Orange County) Census: the record indicates John Carpenter resided in Warrick; the household included 2 males (1 under 16 years of age) and 2 females ... our family records indicate that in 1790 John was married to Anne Miller and they had a 3-year old boy (John S) and a 1-year old girl (Jane)
Our family records also indicate that the family migrated to (W)Va after 1785 marriage of John and Anne, and after the birth of John S in 1787; our records indicate that John S and his sister were born in NY
It might just be coincidence, but our family records match the Warwick Census
(b) Jeff provide Randall and me with a copy of the 1900 US Census Record for Franklin, Greene County PA; the information in the census matches the number in household that is a good match to what our Family Records, i.e., Males: 1 that was10-16 (John S was 13); 1 26-44 (John was 40); Female: 1 between 26-44 (Nancy 35); and 4 females under 10 (Mary, Prudence, Elizabeth, Ashman) ... Franklin, Greene County is about 15 north of the WV-PA border; it is about 30 miles from Fairmont where John (124706) raised his family ... I visited the courthouse and genealogy society ... Waynesburg was created in 1896 ... the PA Septennial Census and the 1900 Federal Census were reviewed ... but, in reviewing the land records John (124706) was not found to be a land owner ... thus, our belief is that John and his family were either in the process of migrating or for some reason they were temporarily located in Franklin PA
(c) We have land records that John and Anne owned property in Union District in the Fairmont WV area ... however, the records do not show how he acquired the property ... the records we have show how his farm was sold after his death in 1827; the records clearly show that land was owned by John and Anne Carpenter ... FYI: Timothy's father resides on a portion of John's original farm; and Timothy is a minister for the church located in the area where John and Anne resided .
(d) NEW: Additional piece of information that Jeff passed on to us was a Revolutionary War Application by Peter Miller ... on page in which Anne Carpenter (John 124706) provided information to support a petition to provide Mary with a pension; Mary was the wife of Peter Miller ... and, in that record it is clear that Mary and Anne were sisters ... Anne's statement indicates she was present when Peter and Mary were married in 1785 in Goshen, Orange, New York
In tracking down Peter and Mary ancestry; they had 14 children; the first 7 were born in New York; the remaining 7 children were born in (W)Va ... the last child to be born in NY was Henry on December 23, 1793 ... the next child (Eleanor) was born in (W)Va in July 16, 1795 ... Land records indicate that Peter purchased 348 acres in Fairmont on June 14, 1796 ...
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And, with that we are stuck in time ... all of our records indicate John (124706) was born in Long Island, New York ... as for who his parents are or when and how he migrated to Fairmont WV is a mystery; we have pieces of information, but some is in conflict (e.g., being in Franklin PA in 1800 begs the question as to the accuracy of records for four of his children that indicate they were born in VA, family belief is that the family migrated to (W)Va after Jane was born in 1789 but before Mary was born in 1794) .
At this point I am open to any suggestions as to how to eliminate the "?" and connect Hope (12716) and John (124706) Larry
E-MAIL:
From: Larry Carpenter
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 4:22 AM
To: John R. Carpenter ; Lori Frederick ; Jeffrey Carpenter ; Randall Carpenter ; Terry 00 Carpenter
Cc: John 00 Chandler
Subject: Re: Thoughts to JRC 3 Johns ... and, info on Tax Records .. LKC Follow-Up
All: My grandchildren commitments to help watch, transport to/from school, etc. takes up most of my time during the weekdays; however, I do have a couple of 5 hour periods where I plan to dedicate several hours over the next few months towards trying to bring as much light to 124706 as possible ... and, once we are into the summer months I will have more time ... my personal plan:
A) as time becomes available, I will slip down to the Monongalia County Courthouse (10 min drive) to look at the late 1700 early 1800 records (deeds, land records, survey records, probate, etc.) ... every so often I will upload to copies of records to the dropbox created by JRC
B) I will make contact with the genealogical society of Marion County (final destination and place of burial of 124706) ... this county was created after the death of 124706; most of the records prior to 1842 are located in the county I live in, i.e., Monongalia County ... however, I may be able to find a few nuggets of information
C) I will attempt to find at least one additional descendant of Hope (12716) and one additional descendant of John (124706) ... once found, I will commit to sponsor at least two of the individuals to a Y-DNA test ... hopefully, the information will help us better understand where 124706 fits
Wish me luck ... progress will probably be slow ... but, I am a persistent person . Larry
E-MAIL:
From: Larry Carpenter
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 5:45 AM
To: Jeffrey Carpenter ; Randall Carpenter ; R. L. Robe ; Lori Frederick
Cc: John R. Carpenter ; Terry 00 Carpenter
Subject: Follow-up on John (C#124706)
John & Terry: no action, copied you to simply let you know we are still working … but, progress is slow
Jeff, Randall, Lori, and Ron (and if you can, please provide a copy of the attached to Tim): About a year ago we circulated some emails with some new thoughts and theories … off and on over the past year I have made several trips to the Mon County court house records room, the Greene County records room and the Marion County and Greene County Genealogy rooms … I have spent numerous hours on the computer … sorry to say I do not have a lot to report back to you … however, I have and am in the process to reduce my notes into electronic booklets … attached is the first booklet which looks at John (C#124706) ancestry, a subsequent book will look into his life as it may have unfolded.
I have in my notes a lot of information I will eventually share with you about John (C#124706) post 1800, i.e., records of land, taxes, etc. … I am in the process of transferring that information to an electronic file and forwarding to you … but, do not hold your breath as it may take me a couple of months before I find enough free time to pull it together
With respect to pre-1800 information, sad to report but I have not found a lot of additional information … I have tried to reach out to other sons of Hope (e.g., Hope or John descendants) to see if I could encourage and/or pay for a Y-DNA test to expand the database; counting Hezekiah there are 14 grandson and as you work you way down there are dead-ends and also a large number of possibilities … attached is a document that I pulled together over the last few weeks to reduce to writing the information I currently have … at this point I am at an standstill … hopefully, the information in the attached provides you with some new pieces of the puzzle and somewhat captures family stories we have all heard so many times from our elders
If you have any thoughts to correct or enhance the attached, then drop me a note or give me a call, and I will try to make adjustments … otherwise, simply place the attached in your files and folder of thoughts … as for me, for the time being I will turn my attention to developing a similar document about John (C#124706) as his life unfolded in north central WV in the early 1800s.
The attached is a PDF file; it is structured in a mirror format to allow for front to back printing ... if anyone wants the Word file in order to copy/enhance wording or save the digitized attachments to your computer, then drop me a note … or if you simply want the digitized copy of any of the attachments sent to you in a separate file, then simply drop me a note.
Larry
NOTE: See the pdf file in the folder RIN 124706 John Carpenter WV entitled:
John-Carpenter-Ancestral Booklet-01-16Aug2019.pdf
Ann Miller
COMMENT: See notes on husband, John Carpenter.
QUESTION: Are Nancy Miller and Ann or Anna the same person? Or did John marry first Nancy Miller, the mother of his first several children, then subsequently marry an Ann who was the mother of his later children? Marriage and other records of the younger children report an "Ann."
AND ...
NAME: We know the name Anna but no surname as Ann or Nancy Miller. It appears 3 women merged together?
CARPENTER-MILLER CONNECTION
BOOK:
Peter Miller 1759-1838 - Patriot, Patriarch, & West Virginia Frontiersman - Historical Context and Three Generations of Descendants - By Dennis D. Miller, March 2011, 447 pages, self published in Des Moines, Iowa, USA. PDF version created 26 Jan 2015 (458 pages).
Page 34 or 44 in pdf.
Peter and Mary Are Married
Following the Revolution, Peter returned to Smith's Clove for about a dozen years. He and Mary were married in 1785. Mary indicated in her application for a Widow's Pension that she and Peter were married about the 5th day of February, 1785. Mary's sister, Ann Carpenter, stated that she was present at the marriage and it was in Goshen, New York.
A transcript of the marriage records of the First Presbyterian Church of Goshen has a record of Peter Miller being married to "N" Miller on February 8 1785.
(Page 34 or 44 in pdf)
The idea that Mary may have been Peter's cousin comes from several sources. Peter's Revolutionary War Pension Application file contains several documents that some feel may hint that he and Mary were cousins. Mary states in a sworn statement that she married Peter Miller on "about February 5, 1785." She seems a little unsure of the exact
date but sure of the month and year. Another document mentions their "Intermarriage" and finally Mary's sister, Ann Carpenter, has an affidavit stating that she was present when Peter and Mary were married in Goshen, New York.
Peter's uncle Garrett Miller had a daughter Mary about the right age and a daughter, Ann, who married a man named Carpenter. It seems quite likely to me that the "Ann Carpenter" in the affidavit is the same Ann Carpenter daughter of Garrett Miller, uncle of Peter.
COMMENT: What is not mentioned in the text, but clear in the Pension Application images is that they were done in Marion County. One dated 3 Feb 1845, Approved 29 March 1845, 7 Jul 1838 providing 20 Apr 1838 the death date of Peter Miller, then on Page 37 or 47 in the pdf, 25 Feb 1845 that has the statement of Ann Carpenter also of Marion County.
It does not indicate the first name of the Carpenter who married Ann. The only male Carpenter cited in this book is a John Carpenter who provided a surety bond to Josiah Wolcott.
On page 57 (67 pdf) in Chapter Four, it has info on Virginia Jane Miller-1 was born on 21 Oct 1785 in New York. She died about 1824. She married Josiah Wolcott on 09 Jan 1812 in Monongalia Co., Virginia, son of Reuben Wolcott and Jane Fleming. He was born on 22 Oct 1789 in Kent, Delaware.
In 1821, Josiah Wolcott was granted permission to operate a ferry and an ordinary (Tavern) near the town of Middletown. On the 28th of May, 1821, the County Court entered the following order:
"On the motion of Josiah Wilcutt it is ordered that the said Josiah keep a good and sufficient boat sufficiently large to carry a wagon and four horses, also the said Josiah is permitted to keep two persons for the purpose of attending his ferry near Polsley's mill across the Monongahela River to Middletown in this county; and thereupon the said Josiah entered into bond in the penalty of $60.00 with John Carpenter his security, conditioned as the law directs, and on motion of the said Josiah a license is granted him (without the payment of any tax) to keep an ordinary at his said ferry, he having entered into bond in the penalty of $150.00 with Reuben Wilcutt his security, conditioned as the law directs." (See Order Book No. 8, page 118.) ...
E-MAIL:
From: Carpenter, Jeffrey
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2016 10:40 AM
To: John R Carpenter ; wvjcarp@yahoo.com ; John 00 Chandler ; Terry 00 Carpenter ; Larry Carpenter
Subject: Re: Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project - Group 3b - Part 6
Here is the contact info and some possible refuting info on the parents of Mary and Ann Miller.
lherman49
It looks like Nancy Ann and Mary Miller d/o Garrett Miller went to Canada: There has been much discussion as to whether Mary and Ann Miller d/o Garret Miller were the wives of Peter Miller and John Carpenter of Virginia. We know they were sisters as Ann provides an affadavit in support of the pension of Peter Miller stating that she was the sister of Ann. We know that Sarah "Salle" Miller who married John Burgis lived in Virginia but she does not make an affadavit in support of the pension of Peter Miller....she should have if she was a sister to Nancy Ann Carpenter and Mary Miller.
We know that Elizabeth Miller who married Philip Roblin went to Canada, as did Samuel Miller and Hampton Miller (though he did return to New York) The History of Methodism in Canada page 32 states " Joseph Clapp was the brother-in-law of the widow Roblin (Elizabeth Miller/Roblin) and lived in the fourth town."
Joseph Clapp married Nancy Ann Miller Mar 1, 1789 in Adolphustown. This is likely Elizabeth's sister Ann.
The will of George Fowler, the second husband of Patience Griswold/Miller makes a bequest to Hampton Miller the son of my late Wife Patience and to Garrett Garrison the grandson of said wife"
William Garrison married Catherine Miller Feb 5, 1784 in Cornwall, Orange Co.,NY. This is likely Mary Catherine MIller.
If we look at the naming patterns we see that Garret has a sister Katrien. Elizabeth Miller/Roblin names a daughter Nancy Ann Sarah Miller/Burgis names daughters Nancy and Katie Samuel Miller names daughters Nancy Ann and Catherine Catherine Miller/Garrison names a daughter Nancy Nancy Ann Miller/Clapp named a daughter Catherine (and another Patience) Hampton Miller names a daughter Katherine Elizabeth and Garret Miller name daughters Mary.
We see the names Nancy Ann and Catherine repeated throughout the Miller family which lends support to the placement of Nancy Ann Clapp and Catherine (Mary) Garrison in the family of Garret and Patience Miller.
Linda Herman hermanjl@comcast.net
Ms. Herman, in my communications with her, seems knowledgeable regarding the region during that time.
Jeffrey S. Carpenter, M.D. Professor of Radiology, Neurology and Neurosurgery West Virginia University School of Medicine
MORE:
Larry Carpenter comments ...
Jeff: you certainly have looked into the Millers more than I ... I will be out for a few days, but a quick look at what you have sent and a visit to Ms. Herman's website ( http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~saylormowbray/millernancy.html ) certainly looks as if she has more supportive argument that our Ann and her sister Mary may not have been Millers ... although on face value her argument seems to be based on words and not documentation; however, at this time I really do not want to go off on a tangent; I would rather focus on the Carpenter lineage ... bottom-line is that we still have:
1) Two women who were sisters, i.e., Ann and Mary ... we simply are not sure their last name was Miller.
2) Ann still was married to John Carpenter.
3) They probably met in Goshen (Orange County) where they were married; and as you pointed out, the 1790 Warwick (Orange County) US Census is probably confirmation that they were in Orange County in 1790.
4) John and Ann still ended up in Fairmont.
9348.
Elizabeth Carpenter
Child per Larry:
5) Elizabeth (1799-1872), married William Baker in Monongalia County in 1819, 1870 Census indicates she was born in Virginia.
9351.
Rhuanna or Rowena Carpenter
Child per Larry:
8) Rheuanna "Roanna" (1805-1844), married William Barnes in Monongalia County in 1826.
MARRIAGE:
Marriage Bonds of Monongalia County, which were extracted in the D.A.R. Magazine from 1928-1932. The Marriage Bond for Rhuanna Carpenter and William Barnes, dated March 5, 1826, lists John Carpenter as the father of the bride. However, the Marriage Bond for Lurenna Carpenter and Richard Harr, dated October 23, 1827, lists “John Carpenter, dec” as the father of the bride. If these transcriptions are accurate, they would imply that John Carpenter died in Monongalia County sometime between March 5, 1826 and July 13, 1826.
Submitted by Bill Carpenter aka "William Carpenter"
9352.
Lurenna "Lorenna" Carpenter
Child per Larry:
9) Lourenna (1811-1860), married Richard Harr in Monongalia County in 1827, 1850 census indicates she was born in Virginia, WV Death Index and WV Culture Death Registry indicates her parents were John and Ann Carpenter.
SPOUSE-DAUGHTER: Information from Taylor County's County Clerk in a letter to Janet Gesas, Salt Lake City, received 23 January 1974. It stated that "Lusanah" or "Susanah" Harr was the daughter of John and Ann Carpenter and was born in Monongalia County, Virginia. (See files of 4th great grand daughter Janet Gesas Hornick, 5594 So. Lansing Ct., Englewood, Colorado 80111. H-6, item #7).
MARRIAGE:
Marriage Bonds of Monongalia County, which were extracted in the D.A.R. Magazine from 1928-1932. The Marriage Bond for Rhuanna Carpenter and William Barnes, dated March 5, 1826, lists John Carpenter as the father of the bride. However, the Marriage Bond for Lurenna Carpenter and Richard Harr, dated October 23, 1827, lists “John Carpenter, dec” as the father of the bride. If these transcriptions are accurate, they would imply that John Carpenter died in Monongalia County sometime between March 5, 1826 and July 13, 1826.
Submitted by Bill Carpenter aka "William Carpenter"
9354.
Phoebe or Phebe Carpenter
Child per Larry:
10) Phoebe (1813-1827)
PROBABLE RELATIONSHIPS: "Phebe" Stouffer and John "Stoufer" are listed in John Carpenter's Settlement. Patty Carpenter Helms reported that Phoebe is probably the youngest sister of Ashman, David, Lourenna, etc. See C-9. NOTE: No further proof has been found. jgh - May 2006
Patty [Carpenter Helms] reported on May 10, 1998 that Phoebe Carpenter who married a John Stouffer (?sp.) signed off on the settlement of the estate. Thus, it appears that she may have been the youngest daughter of John and Ann. See C-9.
Hoyle
Their children's descendants mostly reside in Tennessee.
4045.
Peter Carpenter
In 1810 he removed from North Carolina to Tennessee in a county
that was then called Bedford, now Marshall. He entered from the
Government and the brothers purchased together 240 acres of land
and called his homestead "Carpenter Hill"; named from a high
hill on the place which still retains the name of Carpenter Hill
and is one of the most prominent landmarks in that section of
the state. The Ramseys were among the pioneers of Tennessee.
Margaret Ramsey was a cousin to James K. Polk and was born on an
adjoining plantation to that of the Polks on Duck River. Peter
was at one time a large land owner and also owned many slaves.
In his old age he made his home with his son Samuel. He was a
warm hearted and sympathetic man and generous to a fault. He
was buried at Bloomfield, Iowa.2 SOUR S203
3 TEXT pg 159
Peter Carpenter, was a native of North Carolina and by occupation was a farmer. He was a Union man in sentiment and was compelled to leave the South on account of his political views. He went to Iowa, in which state he died some time during the Civil war.
GRAVE:
Not listed on the Find A Grave or Billion Graves websites. Reportedly buried in Round Hill with his wife.
Margaret Ramsey
GRAVE:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=81740589
Margaret Carpenter
Birth: Sep. 6, 1774
North Carolina, USA
Death: Nov. 6, 1812
She was the wife of Peter Carpenter.
Burial:
Round Hill Cemetery
Belfast
Marshall County
Tennessee, USA
Created by: Gerald Staggs
Record added: Dec 09, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 81740589
4046.
John Carpenter
CENSUS: 1850 US Census
Name: John Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1850
Event Place: Cleveland county, Cleveland, North Carolina, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 59
Race: White
Race (Original):
Birth Year (Estimated): 1791
Birthplace: North Carolina
Household ID: 1264
House Number: 1264
Line Number: 5
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M432
Affiliate Film Number: 625
GS Film Number: 444638
Digital Folder Number: 004181072
Image Number: 00406
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
John Carpenter M 59 North Carolina
Margaret Carpenter F 59 North Carolina
John Carpenter M 19 North Carolina
Alberto Wilkis M 22 North Carolina
David Rumsay M 11 North Carolina
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4Y1-72G : accessed 5 May 2015), John Carpenter, Cleveland county, Cleveland, North Carolina, United States; citing family 1264, NARA microfilm publication M432 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).
MARRIAGE:
Appears to have been married twice and both spouses out lived him. Interesting.
GRAVE:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=21995079
John Carpenter, Sr
Birth: Mar. 29, 1791
Death: Jan. 7, 1857
Burial:
Knob Creek United Methodist Church Cemetery
Belwood
Cleveland County
North Carolina, USA
Created by: Sharon
Record added: Oct 06, 2007
Find A Grave Memorial# 21995079
NOTE: Wife is listed on headstone.
ANCESTRY: See Scarborough family tree by scarbosc - images & compare
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/40405435/person/19713293743/facts
Ancestry Sources
View Source
1850 United States Federal Census
Ancestry Family Trees
North Carolina, Index to Marriage Bonds, 1741-1868
Web: North Carolina, Find A Grave Index, 1716-2012
Parents
Joseph Carpenter 1753–1839
Susannah Eaker 1759–1825
Spouse & Children
Margret Ramsey 1791–1869
Anna Carpenter 1779–1850
Maria Carpenter 1810–1815
Joseph Carpenter 1819–1845
Ruth Carpenter 1827–
John Carpenter 1831–1890
Margaret Ramsey
GRAVE:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=21995087
Margaret Carpenter
Birth: Mar. 9, 1791
Death: Apr. 10, 1869
Burial:
Knob Creek United Methodist Church Cemetery
Belwood
Cleveland County
North Carolina, USA
Created by: Sharon
Record added: Oct 06, 2007
Find A Grave Memorial# 21995087
Marth C.
GRAVE:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=100726009
Martha C. Carpenter
Birth: Feb. 1, 1816
Death: Jul. 20, 1881
Inscription:
Wife of John
Burial:
Knob Creek United Methodist Church Cemetery
Belwood
Cleveland County
North Carolina, USA
Created by: Gene Jenkins
Record added: Nov 14, 2012
Find A Grave Memorial# 100726009
4047.
John Carpenter
PARENTS:
Joseph as shown is likely wrong. Likely wrongly assigned. Need to figure out who his parents are.
9366.
George E. Carpenter
CENSUS: 1880 US Census
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
George E. CARPENTER Self M Male W 67 NY Notion Dealer NY NY
Enily B. CARPENTER Wife M Female W 61 NY Keeping House MA NY
Clara E. CARPENTER Other S Female W 57 NY NY NY
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Source Information:
Census Place Elmira, Chemung, New York
Family History Library Film 1254817
NA Film Number T9-0817
Page Number 323B
9372.
Clara C. Carpenter
In 1880 US Census with brother George.
4053.
Nathaniel "See Notes" Carpenter
NOTE:
Not in the Proctor database but in the IGI. ... I believe these families to be related but have no proof. There are also several other Carpenter's I have found in the area but am unsure how they relate, if at all.
Sharon Goff Garrett.
Frank Bradner has a different spouse and family listed. Thus I am showing 2 Nathaniel Carpenters.
From: "frank bradner"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:27 PM
Subject: Carpenter Data - Joseph Carpenter &Susanna
> John ..... thanks so much for the ROM data. I finally got this
> straightened out with the help of 2 other great contributors. It seems
> my coauthor of the Bradner Genealogy had the Carpenters all messed up.
> I DO have some problems with the ROM data though .....
>5) Nathaniel (Benjamin, Benjamin, Joseph). I have him marr Philotta
>Coleman with a different set of children. Now --- this is still a hangover from my Co-author?
1) Nathaniel Carpenter - b. May 3, 1777 - Goshen, NY ; d. July 3, 1846
On Feb10, 1809 marr Philotta Coleman.
Children:
1) John C. Carpenter - b. 1810 ; d. 1882
2) Oliver C. Carpenter - b. June 30, 1813 ; d. 1891
On Nov 14, 1850 marr Phebe Jane McNish
3) Julia Carpenter - b. 1817
On May 27, 1824 marr John Conkling
4) Mary C. Carpenter - b. 1819 ; d. 1893
5) William H Carpenter - b. Dec 24, 1824
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NOTE:
Not in the Proctor database but in the IGI.
This Nathaniel is believed to be the same Nathaniel buried in Delphi Falls, NY.
Living in close proximity was Nathaniel Carpenter b. abt. 1777 CT;
d. 6 Dec 1863 NY; m. Lucy Gage b. 21 Nov 1780 Woodstock Twp, Windhan,
CT; d. 7 Sep 1874*** NY d/o Elisha Gage b. 1753; d. 31 May 1833 and Olive
Underwood b. 1756, d. 13 Jul 1835.
***Conflict*** Death date for Lucy listed
as 20 Jan 1860, age 79 years on cemetery data below.
All buried Delphi Falls, Onondaga Co., NY cemetery behind the Baptist
church. Burial list from Web Page:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyccazen/Cemeteries/Peripheral/DelphiFallsCem.html
Delphi Falls Cemetery, Hamlet of Delphi Falls, Town of Pompey, Onondaga County,
New York, 1803 - 1933Carpenter, Abigail A. Babcock, wife of Major Carpenter,
Field check by Daniel H. Weiskotten,
October 14 & 15, 1994 born 1824, (death date not given), age not given).
posted 7/19/1999. Carpenters listed are:
Carpenter, Jennie L. Porter, wife of Austin B. Carpenter, died September 6,
1884, age 24 years. In the 1860 census Nathaniel was in the home of
Carpenter, Gilbert J., died September 27, 1849, age 32 years 4 months 6 days.
Carpenter, Lucy, wife of Nathaniel Carpenter, died January 20, 1860, age 79
years. Major Carpenter b. abt. 1823 Oswego Co., NY; m. Abigail____ b. abt.
Carpenter, Major, born 1822, died 1895, (age not given).
Carpenter, Nathaniel, died December 6, 1863, age 86 years. 1824 Erie Co., NY
Children listed:
1. Jerome b. abt. 1848 Onondaga Co., NY; m. Inez Sally Brown
2. Gilbert b. abt. 1853 Onondaga Co., NY; d. 1924, buried
Fayetteville,
3. Abigail b. abt. 1859 OnondagaCo., NY
I believe these families to be related but have no proof. There are
also several other Carpenter's I have found in the area but am unsure
how they relate, if at all.
Sharon Goff Garrett.
From: "frank bradner"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:27 PM
Subject: Carpenter Data - Joseph Carpenter &Susanna
> John ..... thanks so much for the ROM data. I finally got this
> straightened out with the help of 2 other great contributors. It seems
> my coauthor of the Bradner Genealogy had the Carpenters all messed up.
> I DO have some problems with the ROM data though .....
>5) Nathaniel (Benjamin, Benjamin, Joseph). I have him marr Philotta
>Coleman with a different set of children. Now --- this is still a
>hangover from my Co-author?
1) Nathaniel Carpenter - b. May 3, 1777 - Goshen, NY ; d. July 3, 1846
On Feb10, 1809 marr Philotta Coleman.
Children:
1) John C. Carpenter - b. 1810 ; d. 1882
2) Oliver C. Carpenter - b. June 30, 1813 ; d. 1891
On Nov 14, 1850 marr Phebe Jane McNish
3) Julia Carpenter - b. 1817
On May 27, 1824 marr John Conkling
4) Mary C. Carpenter - b. 1819 ; d. 1893
5) William H Carpenter - b. Dec 24, 1824
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CHR:
Name: Nathaniel Carpenter
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 2 May 1777
Baptism Date: 6 Jul 1777
Baptism Place: Goshen, New York, USA
Church: First Presbyterian Church
Father: Benj Carpenter
Mother: Lydia Chandler
Source Citation
Presbyterian Historical Society; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; Church Registers; Book Title: 1773 - 1851
Source Information
Ancestry.com. U.S., Presbyterian Church Records, 1701-1970 [database on-line]. Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016.
Original data: Church Registers. Presbyterian Historical Society, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
CENSUS: 1810 US Census
Name: Nathl Carpenter
Home in 1810 (City, County, State): Goshen, Orange, New York
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44 : 1
Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25: 1
Number of Household Members Under 16: 1
Number of Household Members Over 25: 1
Number of Household Members: 5
Source Citation
Year: 1810; Census Place: Goshen, Orange, New York; Roll: 29; Page: 504; Image: 00278; Family History Library Film: 0181383
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1810 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Third Census of the United States, 1810. (NARA microfilm publication M252, 71 rolls). Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
CENSUS: 1820 US Census
CENSUS: 1830 US Census
CENSUS: 1840 US Census
GRAVE: images
Nathaniel Carpenter
Birth: 2 May 1778
Death: 3 Jul 1846
Burial: Hamptonburgh Cemetery, Campbell Hall, Orange County, New York, USA
Memorial #: 43298276
Bio: son of Benjamin Carpenter and Lydia ChandlerChildren:- Oliver R. Carpenter (1813-) m Phebe Jane McNish
Family Members
Spouse
Philotta Coleman Carpenter 1785-1862
Children
John C Carpenter* 1810-1884
Mary C Carpenter* 1817-1892
Julia A Carpenter* 1817-1895
William H Carpenter* 1824-1897
Created by: LadyGoshen (46951894)
Added: 19 Oct 2009
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/43298276/carp
Citation: Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 30 January 2018), memorial page for Nathaniel Carpenter (2 May 1778–3 Jul 1846), Find A Grave Memorial no. 43298276, citing Hamptonburgh Cemetery, Campbell Hall, Orange County, New York, USA ; Maintained by LadyGoshen (contributor 46951894) .
Philotta Coleman
GRAVE: images
Philotta Coleman Carpenter
Birth: 5 Feb 1785
Death: 23 Apr 1862
Burial: Hamptonburgh Cemetery, Campbell Hall, Orange County, New York, USA
Memorial #: 43298284
Bio: daughter of Joel Coleman (1759-1840) and Rachel RumseyChildren:- Oliver R. Carpenter (1813-) m Phebe Jane McNish
Family Members
Spouse
Nathaniel Carpenter* 1778-1846
Children
John C Carpenter* 1810-1884
Mary C Carpenter* 1817-1892
Julia A Carpenter* 1817-1895
William H Carpenter* 1824-1897
Created by: LadyGoshen (46951894)
Added: 19 Oct 2009
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/43298284/philotta-carpenter
Citation: Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 30 January 2018), memorial page for Philotta Coleman Carpenter (5 Feb 1785–23 Apr 1862), Find A Grave Memorial no. 43298284, citing Hamptonburgh Cemetery, Campbell Hall, Orange County, New York, USA ; Maintained by LadyGoshen (contributor 46951894) .
9375.
John C. Carpenter
GRAVE: image
John C Carpenter
Birth: 16 Jan 1810
Death: 20 Nov 1884
Burial: Hamptonburgh Cemetery, Campbell Hall, Orange County, New York, USA
Memorial #: 43298292
Family Members
Parents
Nathaniel Carpenter 1778-1846
Philotta Coleman Carpenter 1785-1862
Siblings
Mary C Carpenter* 1817-1892
Julia A Carpenter* 1817-1895
William H Carpenter* 1824-1897
Created by: LadyGoshen (46951894)
Added: 19 Oct 2009
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/43298292/john-c-carpenter
Citation: Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 30 January 2018), memorial page for John C Carpenter (16 Jan 1810–20 Nov 1884), Find A Grave Memorial no. 43298292, citing Hamptonburgh Cemetery, Campbell Hall, Orange County, New York, USA ; Maintained by LadyGoshen (contributor 46951894) .
9377.
Julia A. Carpenter
GRAVE: image
Julia A Carpenter
Birth: 16 Mar 1817
Death: 19 Nov 1895
Burial: Hamptonburgh Cemetery, Campbell Hall, Orange County, New York, USA
Memorial #: 43299822
Family Members
Parents
Nathaniel Carpenter 1778-1846
Philotta Coleman Carpenter 1785-1862
Siblings
John C Carpenter* 1810-1884
Mary C Carpenter* 1817-1892
William H Carpenter* 1824-1897
Created by: LadyGoshen (46951894)
Added: 19 Oct 2009
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/43299822/julia-a-carpenter
Citation: Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 30 January 2018), memorial page for Julia A Carpenter (16 Mar 1817–19 Nov 1895), Find A Grave Memorial no. 43299822, citing Hamptonburgh Cemetery, Campbell Hall, Orange County, New York, USA ; Maintained by LadyGoshen (contributor 46951894) .
9378.
Mary C. Carpenter
GRAVE: image
Mary C Carpenter
Birth: 13 May 1817
Death: 6 May 1892
Burial: Hamptonburgh Cemetery, Campbell Hall, Orange County, New York, USA
Memorial #: 43298299
Family Members
Parents
Nathaniel Carpenter 1778-1846
Philotta Coleman Carpenter 1785-1862
Siblings
John C Carpenter* 1810-1884
Julia A Carpenter* 1817-1895
William H Carpenter* 1824-1897
Created by: LadyGoshen (46951894)
Added: 19 Oct 2009
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/43298299/mary-c-carpenter
Citation: Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 30 January 2018), memorial page for Mary C Carpenter (13 May 1817–6 May 1892), Find A Grave Memorial no. 43298299, citing Hamptonburgh Cemetery, Campbell Hall, Orange County, New York, USA ; Maintained by LadyGoshen (contributor 46951894) .
9379.
William H. Carpenter
GRAVE: image
William H Carpenter
Birth: 24 Dec 1824
Death: 5 Aug 1897
Burial: Hamptonburgh Cemetery, Campbell Hall, Orange County, New York, USA
Memorial #: 43299808
Family Members
Parents
Nathaniel Carpenter 1778-1846
Philotta Coleman Carpenter 1785-1862
Siblings
John C Carpenter* 1810-1884
Mary C Carpenter* 1817-1892
Julia A Carpenter* 1817-1895
Created by: LadyGoshen (46951894)
Added: 19 Oct 2009
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/43299808/william-h-carpenter
Citation: Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 30 January 2018), memorial page for William H Carpenter (24 Dec 1824–5 Aug 1897), Find A Grave Memorial no. 43299808, citing Hamptonburgh Cemetery, Campbell Hall, Orange County, New York, USA ; Maintained by LadyGoshen (contributor 46951894) .
4056.
Hannah Carpenter
The baptism records come from Rutenber's "History of the Presbyterian Church, Goshen, NY"
This family line submitted by John E. Proctor (brn 1933) of Stillwell KS 4/96
Frank Bradner has a different spouse (George Edwards) and family listed. This is probably her second family.
From: "frank bradner"
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002.
Or are 2 Hannah Carpenters mixed here? See next.
Hannah CARPENTER 1791-1875 New York
Posted by: Constance Leaman (ID *****7001) Date: October 02, 2002 at 21:49:57
of 6113
Hannah CARPENTER was born 21
January 1791 at Goshen, Chenango, N Y. She died 29 June, 1875 at Bath,
Steuben, N Y. She married on 21 May 1812 George Cunningham EDWARDS, a great
grandson of Jonathan Edwards.
They had 8 children: Mary w/o David McMaster; Jesse, h/o Emily Wilson
Sheetz; Clarissa, w/o James Dudley; Alexander, h/o Elizabeth McCurdy; Mason;
John, h/o 1) Rose Murphy, and 2) Constance Hunter; Sarah; and George, h/o
Sarah Sherwood.
They lived at Bath, NY, where he was a lawyer and the first judge of Steuben
County.
Who are her parents? She and George are my great great grandparents.
http://genforum.genealogy.com/carpenter/messages/6110.html
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George Cunningham Edwards removed as spouse and reassigned to the Hannah Carpenter b. 21 Jan 1791. The reason is pending proof. See below. JRC Oct 7, 2002.
Dear John,
Thanks for your response. I think the naming conventions bear out the very strong possibility that Hannah was the daughter of Jesse Carpenter and Sarah/Sally Seely and the sister of Clarissa Carpenter. Now for some proof.
Connie
Dear Connie,
When you read the notes, you will find out that Frank Bradner states the his source has confused some of the Carpenters he submitted. I concur. I think this is one of those incidents.
Look at children, places and other similarities. Take a piece of paper and add up the pluses and minuses for each possibility. You will come to a conclusion but not proof.
This is the hard part. The proof. This means going back to the orginal sources and sorting the wheat from the chaff.
Enjoy the hunt!
And let me know what you conclude or prove!
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: Connie & Ron Leaman
To: John R. Carpenter
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: Hannah CARPENTER 1791-1875 New York
I have been in touch with Frank Bradner quite a bit in the last several days.
I believe that you are suggesting to me that Jesse Carpenter is more likely the father of my Hannah Carpenter than Benjamin Carpenter, and certainly there are some names that make one wonder, not to mention the birth and death date similarities of the 2 Hannahs.
My great grandfather, John Edwards, whose parents are George Cunningham Edwards and Hannah Carpenter has a sister Clarissa Roe Edwards who married James Rowe Dudley. And my great grandfather named his first daughter Clara Dudley Edwards, obviously after the Clarissa and Dudley connection. At the same time, there is a Clarissa Carpenter, daughter of Jesse, who married David Roe.
George Cunningham Edwards and Hannah Carpenter stayed in Bath, Steuben County, New York, to which they had moved by 1823, when Alexander Edwards was born. My great grandfather, John, was also born there, as was his first daughter. I am descended from his 2nd wife, Constance Lucretia Hunter and 2nd daughter, Mary Constance Edwards, my grandmother.
I really don't know what to make of this confusion. Perhaps you can set me straight.
Connie
----- Original Message -----
From: John R. Carpenter
To: r.leaman@attbi.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: Hannah CARPENTER 1791-1875 New York
Dear Constance,
You have a small mystery and conflict of data. Compare the 2 briefs below. Each contains a Hannah Carpenter (*****). Look at the notes.
My guess is that George C. Edwards is matched with the wrong Hannah Carpenter. Your thoughts?
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
jrcrin001@cox.net
1)
Modified Register for Jesse CARPENTER-2688
First Generation
1. Jesse CARPENTER-2688 was born about 1740 in Chester, Orange, NY and was christened on 19 Sep 1755 in Goshen, Orange, NY. He died on 17 Jan 1815 in Elmira, Cheming, NY.
Number 340 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 88.
Family on page 162 (#152) Probably married twice.
AF Birth date may be chr date. Carpenter Memorial has Jesse born abt 1740.
Jesse lived near Goshen until after 1806. Then he moved to Chemung county and bought a farm about six miles
southeast from Elmira and here he died in 1815, aged 60 years.
He was a Revolutionary soldier and was captured at Fort Washington by the British and was imprisioned in the old
sugar house in NY. Another account says; "He took some part in the Revolutionary struggle for liberty; he was a
soldier at Fort Washington on the Hudson River and taken prisoner by the British and taken to NY and put in the old
sugar house prison and kept through the winter; he suffered "extreamely" with the cold and ran up and
down stairs many a night to keep from freezing."
A private in a New York Unit, see DAR PATRIOT INDEX, 3rd Regiment Orange County, New York Regiment.
SEE: National Society, Daughters of the American Revolution as Colony and State.
E-MAIL: From: "frank bradner"
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002
He has the following on this Jesse.
Jesse Carpenter(2) - b. ca 1740 ; d. Jan 17, 1815 - Elmira, NY
Marr Sarah ( Sally) Seely (1762-1827) in 1782
Children:
1) Joseph Carpenter(3) - b. ca. 1784- Chester, NY d. May 21, 1829
Marr Olive Taylor
2) Jesse Carpenter(3) - b. June 4, 1787 - Chester, NY ; d. July 11, 1859
3) Clarissa Carpenter(3) - b. Chester ca. 1800
Marr David Roe of Chester, NY
4) Hannah Carpenter
Jesse married (1-MRIN:1206) Sally or Sarah SEELEY-2685, daughter of Bazeleel SEELEY-89379 and Rebecca-89380 (MRIN:32256), on 7 Mar 1782. Sally was born on 20 Oct 1762 in Goshen, Orange, NY. She died on 8 May 1827 in Goshen, Orange, NY.
AF has name as "Sarah Sally." Jesse was probably married twice. First to "Sarah" then to "Sally". Last name SEELEY or SEELY.
IGI has parents as:
Father: Bazeleel Seeley
Mother: Rebecca
Jesse and Sally had the following children:
2 M i. Joseph CARPENTER-88893 was born on 30 Sep 1783 in Chester, Orange, NY. He died on 21 May 1829 in Goshen, Orange, NY.
Joseph married (MRIN:32082) Olive TAYLOR-88898. Olive was born about 1784 in ,, , NY.
3 M ii. Jesse CARPENTER-88894 was born on 4 Jun 1787 in Chester, Orange, NY and was christened on 5 Jul 1787 in Goshen, Orange, NY. He died on 11 Jul 1859 in Goshen, Orange, NY.
4 F iii. Clarissa CARPENTER-88895 was born on 7 Oct 1785 in Chester, Orange, NY. She died on 2 Feb 1844 in Goshen, Orange, NY.
Clarissa married (MRIN:1209) David ROE-88897. David was born about 1790/1799 in of, Chester, Orange, NY.
***** 5 F iv. Hannah CARPENTER-88896 was born on 21 Jan 1791 in Chester, Orange, NY. She died on 29 Jun 1875 in Goshen, Orange, NY.
Hannah Carpenter Female
Birth: 21 JAN 1791 Goshen, Orange, New York
Christening:
Death: 29 JUN 1875
Burial:
Parents:
Father: Jesse Carpenter
Mother: Sarah or Sally Seeley
Marriages:
Spouse: Unavailable
Jesse also married (2-MRIN:1211) Sarah-13154. Sarah was born about 1755. She died before 1782 in , Orange, NY.
They had the following children:
6 M v. 1 CARPENTER-2855 was born about 1779 in Chester, Orange, NY.
possibly died young.
This child's father is listed as Joseph in the AF. This is probably incorrect
since Joseph would have been almost 90 years old to sire the child. This child
prbably belongs to Jesse.
7 F vi. Sarah CARPENTER-3253 was born about 1781 in Chester, Orange, NY.
possibly died young.
This child's father is listed as Joseph in the AF. This is probably incorrect
since Joseph would have been almost 90 years old to sire the child. This child
probably belongs to Jesse.
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2)
Modified Register for Benjamin CARPENTER-17220
First Generation
1. Benjamin CARPENTER-17220 was born in 1753 in Goshen, Orange, NY. He died on 28 Sep 1828 in Goshen, Orange, NY.
Benjamin Carpenter served in the American Revolution,
He fought in the battle of Montgomery, NY on the Hudson River bank against Britsh General Sir Henry Clinton, and Earl. The Carpenter cousins named Clinton (Gen. James Clinton and Gen. George Clinton) were fighting their
Britsh Cousins.
This family line submitted by John E. Proctor (brn 1933) of Stillwell KS 4/96
E-MAIL: Either this Benjamin or his father was listed as a executor in the following will. (Submitted on Wed, 12 Jan 2000 From: MzCortez@aol.com)
Abstracts of Wills Vol V 1754-1760, page 159 & 160:
Page 210.--In the name of God, Amen. I, SAMUEL GALIE, of Goshen, in Orange County, being weak in body, February 14, 1756. I leave to my son Samuel 5 shillings. I leave to my son Richard my dwelling house I now live in in the
town of Goshen, and a piece of land lying near Thomas Sayres, which I purchased of Thomas Mapes. I leave to my son Asa my house and land I purchased of John Carp in Goshen, Also my two West Division lots of land. I leave to my daughter Juliana, wife of George De Kay, 5 shillings. To my wife Elizabeth the choice of my negroes, and to my daughter Dorithy the second choice. "And as my wife is now pregnant, the child, if it lives, is to have the third choice." All the remainder of my estate I leave to my wife and children. I make my wife, and William Worthrinton, of Saybrook, and John Galie, of Goshen, and Benjamin Carpenter, of Goshen, and Henry Usonow,
executors.
Witnesses, Joseph Wood, Israel Parshall, Jonathan Cory, Jr. Proved, February 28, 1757.
Benjamin married (MRIN:7183) Lydia CHANDLER-17221, daughter of Nathaniel CHANDLER-20250 (MRIN:7184), on 24 Dec 1776 in New Windsor,, NY. Lydia was born about 1754 in ,, NY. She died on 20 Mar 1813.
This family line submitted by John E. Proctor (brn 1933) of Stillwell KS 4/96
Benjamin and Lydia had the following children:
+ 2 M i. Nathaniel CARPENTER-47914 was born on 2 May 1777 and died on 6 Dec 1863.
+ 3 M ii. Nathaniel (SEE NOTES) CARPENTER-88839 was born on 3 May 1777 and died on 3 Jul 1846.
4 M iii. James or Jeremy CARPENTER-66482 was born on 1 Aug 1780 in Goshen, Orange, NY and was christened on 10 Aug 1780.
NAME: Frank Bradner has Jeremy as James in his record. He also provided the spouse.
From: "frank bradner"
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:27 PM
James married (MRIN:32063) Julia OWENS-88848. Julia was born about 1780 in ,, , NY.
5 M iv. Samuel CARPENTER a Twin-17223 was born on 1 Apr 1786 in Goshen, Orange, NY and was christened on 14 May 1786 in Presbyterian, Church, Goshen, NY.
Baptisim record comes from Rutenber's "History of the Presbyterian Church, Goshen NY"
This family line submitted by John E. Proctor (brn 1933) of Stillwell KS 4/96
+ 6 F v. Hannah CARPENTER a Twin-17222 was born on 1 Apr 1786.
7 M vi. Benjamin CARPENTER-66483 was born on 7 Feb 1796 in Goshen, Orange, NY and was christened on 14 Oct 1798.
Second Generation
2. Nathaniel CARPENTER-47914 (Benjamin) was born on 2 May 1777 in Goshen, Orange, NY and was christened on 6 Jul 1777. He died on 6 Dec 1863 in , Onondaga, NY and was buried in Baptist Cem., Delphi Falls, Onondaga, NY.
Not in the Proctor database but in the IGI.
This Nathaniel is believed to be the same Nathaniel buried in Delphi Falls, NY.
Living in close proximity was Nathaniel Carpenter b. abt. 1777 CT; d. 6 Dec 1863 NY; m. Lucy Gage b. 21 Nov 1780 Woodstock Twp, Windhan, CT; d. 7 Sep 1874*** NY d/o Elisha Gage b. 1753; d. 31 May 1833 and Olive Underwood b. 1756, d. 13 Jul 1835.
***Conflict*** Death date for Lucy listed as 20 Jan 1860, age 79 years on cemetery data below.
All buried Delphi Falls, Onondaga Co., NY cemetery behind the Baptist church. Burial list from Web Page:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyccazen/Cemeteries/Peripheral/DelphiFallsCem.html
Delphi Falls Cemetery, Hamlet of Delphi Falls, Town of Pompey, Onondaga County,
New York, 1803 - 1933Carpenter, Abigail A. Babcock, wife of Major Carpenter,
Field check by Daniel H. Weiskotten,
October 14 & 15, 1994 born 1824, (death date not given), age not given).
posted 7/19/1999. Carpenters listed are:
Carpenter, Jennie L. Porter, wife of Austin B. Carpenter, died September 6, 1884, age 24 years. In the 1860 census Nathaniel was in the home of Carpenter, Gilbert J., died September 27, 1849, age 32 years 4 months 6 days.
Carpenter, Lucy, wife of Nathaniel Carpenter, died January 20, 1860, age 79 years.
Major Carpenter b. abt. 1823 Oswego Co., NY; m. Abigail____ b. abt. Carpenter, Major, born 1822, died 1895, (age not given).
Carpenter, Nathaniel, died December 6, 1863, age 86 years. 1824 Erie Co., NY
Children listed:
1. Jerome b. abt. 1848 Onondaga Co., NY; m. Inez Sally Brown
2. Gilbert b. abt. 1853 Onondaga Co., NY; d. 1924, buried
Fayetteville,
3. Abigail b. abt. 1859 OnondagaCo., NY
I believe these families to be related but have no proof. There are also several other Carpenter's I have found in the area but am unsure how they relate, if at all.
Sharon Goff Garrett.
From: "frank bradner"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:27 PM
Subject: Carpenter Data - Joseph Carpenter &Susanna
John ..... thanks so much for the ROM data. I finally got this straightened out with the help of 2 other great contributors. It seems my coauthor of the Bradner Genealogy had the Carpenters all messed up.
I DO have some problems with the ROM data though .....
5) Nathaniel (Benjamin, Benjamin, Joseph). I have him marr Philotta Coleman with a different set of children. Now --- this is still a hangover from my Co-author?
1) Nathaniel Carpenter - b. May 3, 1777 - Goshen, NY ; d. July 3, 1846
On Feb10, 1809 marr Philotta Coleman.
Children:
1) John C. Carpenter - b. 1810 ; d. 1882
2) Oliver C. Carpenter - b. June 30, 1813 ; d. 1891
On Nov 14, 1850 marr Phebe Jane McNish
3) Julia Carpenter - b. 1817
On May 27, 1824 marr John Conkling
4) Mary C. Carpenter - b. 1819 ; d. 1893
5) William H Carpenter - b. Dec 24, 1824
Nathaniel married (MRIN:13185) Lucy GAGE-49973, daughter of Elisha GAGE-49974 and Olive UNDERWOOD-49975 (MRIN:18830), in , Onondaga, NY. Lucy was born on 21 Nov 1780 in Woodstock Twp., Windham, CT. She died about 20 Jan 1860 in , Onondaga, NY and was buried about 7 Sep 1874 in Baptist Cem., Delphi Falls, Onondaga, NY.
DEATH: CONFLICTING DEATH DATE! Lucy Gage b. 21 Nov 1780 Woodstock Twp, Windhan,
CT; d. 7 Sep 1874*** NY d/o Elisha Gage b. 1753; d. 31 May 1833 and Olive Underwood b. 1756, d. 13 Jul 1835. ***Conflict*** Death date for Lucy listed as 20 Jan 1860, age 79 years on cemetery data below.
Carpenter, Lucy, wife of Nathaniel Carpenter, died January 20, 1860, age 79.
Nathaniel and Lucy had the following children:
8 M i. Gilbert J. CARPENTER-33416 was born about 21 May 1817 in , Oswego, NY. He died on 27 Sep 1849 and was buried about 27 Sep 1849 in Baptist Cem., Delphi Falls, Onondaga, NY.
Tombstone indicates he died age 32 years, 4 months and 6 days. This works out to be born about: about 21 May 1817.
+ 9 M ii. Major CARPENTER-49976 was born on 7 Dec 1822 and was buried in 1895.
3. Nathaniel (SEE NOTES) CARPENTER-88839 (Benjamin) was born on 3 May 1777 in Goshen, Orange, NY. He died on 3 Jul 1846.
Not in the Proctor database but in the IGI. ... I believe these families to be related but have no proof. There are
also several other Carpenter's I have found in the area but am unsure how they relate, if at all.
Sharon Goff Garrett.
Frank Bradner has a different spouse and family listed. Thus I am showing 2 Nathaniel Carpenters.
From: "frank bradner"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:27 PM
Subject: Carpenter Data - Joseph Carpenter &Susanna
> John ..... thanks so much for the ROM data. I finally got this > straightened out with the help of 2 other great contributors. It seems > my coauthor of the Bradner Genealogy had the Carpenters all messed up.
> I DO have some problems with the ROM data though .....
>5) Nathaniel (Benjamin, Benjamin, Joseph). I have him marr Philotta
>Coleman with a different set of children. Now --- this is still a hangover from my Co-author?
1) Nathaniel Carpenter - b. May 3, 1777 - Goshen, NY ; d. July 3, 1846
On Feb10, 1809 marr Philotta Coleman.
Children:
1) John C. Carpenter - b. 1810 ; d. 1882
2) Oliver C. Carpenter - b. June 30, 1813 ; d. 1891
On Nov 14, 1850 marr Phebe Jane McNish
3) Julia Carpenter - b. 1817
On May 27, 1824 marr John Conkling
4) Mary C. Carpenter - b. 1819 ; d. 1893
5) William H Carpenter - b. Dec 24, 1824
Nathaniel married (MRIN:32060) Philotta COLEMAN-88840 on 10 Feb 1809 in ,, , NY. Philotta was born about 1777 in of,, , NY.
They had the following children:
10 M i. John C. CARPENTER-88841 was born in 1810 in ,, , NY. He died in 1882.
11 M ii. Oliver C. CARPENTER-88842 was born on 30 Jun 1813 in ,, , NY. He died in 1891.
Oliver married (MRIN:32061) Phebe Jane MCNISH-88846 on 14 Nov 1850 in ,, , NY. Phebe was born about 1813 in of,, , NY.
12 F iii. Julia CARPENTER-88843 was born in 1817 in ,, , NY.
Julia married (MRIN:32062) John CONKLING-88847 on 27 May 1824 in ,, , NY. John was born about 1817 in of,, , NY.
13 F iv. Mary C. CARPENTER-88844 was born in 1819 in ,, , NY. She died in 1893.
14 M v. William H. CARPENTER-88845 was born on 24 Dec 1824 in ,, , NY.
***** 6. Hannah CARPENTER a Twin-17222 (Benjamin) was born on 1 Apr 1786 in Goshen, Orange, NY and was christened on 14 May 1786 in Presbyterian, Church, Goshen, NY.
The baptism records come from Rutenber's "History of the Presbyterian Church, Goshen, NY"
This family line submitted by John E. Proctor (brn 1933) of Stillwell KS 4/96
Frank Bradner has a different spouse (George Edwards) and family listed. This is probably her second family.
From: "frank bradner"
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002.
Or are 2 Hannah Carpenters mixed here? See next.
Hannah CARPENTER 1791-1875 New York
Posted by: Constance Leaman (ID *****7001) Date: October 02, 2002 at 21:49:57
of 6113
Hannah CARPENTER was born 21
January 1791 at Goshen, Chenango, N Y. She died 29 June, 1875 at Bath,
Steuben, N Y. She married on 21 May 1812 George Cunningham EDWARDS, a great
grandson of Jonathan Edwards.
They had 8 children: Mary w/o David McMaster; Jesse, h/o Emily Wilson
Sheetz; Clarissa, w/o James Dudley; Alexander, h/o Elizabeth McCurdy; Mason;
John, h/o 1) Rose Murphy, and 2) Constance Hunter; Sarah; and George, h/o
Sarah Sherwood.
They lived at Bath, NY, where he was a lawyer and the first judge of Steuben
County.
Who are her parents? She and George are my great great grandparents.
http://genforum.genealogy.com/carpenter/messages/6110.html
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Hannah married (1-MRIN:7185) Noah ELLIS-17224 in 1807. Noah was born in 1786 in ,, NY. He died about 1820 in ,, , NY.
Noah Ellis was a cooper in Newburgh NY, and later in Goshen NY. He married Hannah Carpenter, (1807?). They
had 5 children? Lydia, Samuel, Lewis, Susan, Harriet.
Records taken from an entry in "Richard Ellis and his Descendants" by E.R. Ellis, which says, "Noah Ellis with his
brothers John, James and Joseph were coopers living near Newburgh, NY and later in Goshen, NY"
Noah and Hannah had the following children:
15 F i. Lydia ELLIS-17225 was born in 1808 in Goshen, Orange, NY.
16 M ii. Samuel ELLIS-17226 was born in 1810 in Goshen, Orange, NY.
17 M iii. Lewis ELLIS-17227 was born in 1811 in Goshen, Orange, NY.
18 F iv. Susan ELLIS-17228 was born in 1812 in Goshen, Orange, NY.
19 F v. Harriet ELLIS-17229 was born in 1815 in Goshen, Orange, NY.
Hannah also married (2-MRIN:32064) George Cunningham EDWARDS-88849 about 1822 in ,, , NY. George was born in 1787 in of,, , NY. He died in 1857.
They had the following children:
+ 20 M vi. Alexander EDWARDS-88850 was born in 1823 and died in 1900.
Third Generation
9. Major CARPENTER-49976 (Nathaniel, Benjamin) was born on 7 Dec 1822 in West Monroe, Oswego, NY. was buried in 1895 in Baptist Cem., Delphi Falls, Onondaga, NY.
NAME: First name Major or was it his rank?
His father passed away in 1863.
Posted by Sue Goodfellow on Fri, 17 Jul 1998
Major Carpenter, "Pompey, was born in West Monroe, Oswego Co., N.Y., Dec. 7,
1822, a son of Nathaniel and Lucy (Gage) Carpenter, who with five other
brothers, settled in Cazenovia, Madison Co., in 1803. He passed to spirit life
in 1863, aged 86 years, his wife passed to spirit life in 1860, aged 72 years.
The grandparents were Ezekiel and Anna Carpenter of Connecticut. Ezekiel
was one of the first to resist the collection of church tax, it was connected
with the State tax,
at that time, thus beginning the separation of church and state, for it was
decided in his favor. The grandparents on the other's side were Elisha and
Olive(Underwood) Gage. His great-grandmother Underwood died on
the 4th of July, 1776. She had ten children, all of whom had large families;
her blood descendants number about 8,000 at this date. The subject of this
sketch came with his parents to Pompey, N.Y., in 1826; by occupation he is
a farmer and builder, has built six
houses to lease, in the last twenty-four years, in Cazenovia. In 1844 he
married Abigail Babcock, daughter of John W. and Amanda (Canfield) Babcock; he
passed to spirit life in 1875, aged 75 years, she passed to spirit life
in 1872, aged 88 years. Mr. and Mrs. Carpenter celebrated their golden wedding
on Aug. 18, 1894.
They have had seven children, three of which have passed from the mortal, the
other four are as follows: Jerome H., born May 28, 1848, he married Deetta
Brown. They have three children: Ernest, Ella and Major B.; Gilbert,
born Aug. 20, 1852; he married Josephine Lytle, they have one child, Jessie
May; Fannie, born on Oct. 21, 1858. She married Frank B. Taylor, a carriage painter, they have two children, Eva and Bayard; Austin B., born July 31, 1861. He married Anna Fitzgerald, they have two children, Jennie and Blanche. He has been deputy sheriff in Madison Co. for ten years. Mr. and Mrs. Carpenter have been life-long workers for temperance, having never used liquor or tobacco in any form.
He was formerly a Republican, is now a Prohibitionist, is in favor of Woman's Rights, or equal rights for all; is opposed to murder for murder, or capital punishment. He was a Universalist formerly but now believes in spirit communion as a demonstrated fact. Is a worker for all reforms, by the great principle of evolution. Progress by a survival of the fittest."
Source: Bruce, Dwight H. (Ed.), Onondaga's Centennial. Boston. History Co., 1896, Vol. II, pp. 233-234.
Major married (MRIN:13182) Abigail A. BABCOCK-49977. Abigail was born about 1824 in , Erie, NY. She was buried in Baptist Cem., Delphi Falls, Onondaga, NY.
They had the following children:
21 M i. Jerome CARPENTER-49978 was born about 1848 in , Onondaga, NY.
Jerome married (MRIN:18831) Inez Sally BROWN-49981. Inez was born about 1848 in ,, NY.
22 M ii. Gilbert CARPENTER-49979 was born about 1853 in , Onondaga, NY. He died in 1924 and was buried in Fayetteville,, NY.
23 F iii. Abigail CARPENTER-49980 was born about 1859 in , Onondaga, NY.
24 M iv. Austin B. CARPENTER-33414 was born about 1860/1864 in , Onondaga, NY.
Austin married (MRIN:13181) Jennie L. PORTER-51154. Jennie was born in 1864 in of, Onondaga, NY. She died on 6 Sep 1884 and was buried about 6 Sep 1884 in Baptist Cem., Delphi Falls, Onondaga, NY.
20. Alexander EDWARDS-88850 (Hannah CARPENTER, Benjamin) was born in 1823 in Bath,, NY. He died in 1900 in Dansville,, NY.
He had the following children:
+ 25 M i. James McCurdy EDWARDS-88851 was born in 1850.
Fourth Generation
25. James McCurdy EDWARDS-88851 (Alexander EDWARDS, Hannah CARPENTER, Benjamin) was born in 1850 in Dansville,, NY.
James married (MRIN:32066) Anna Marie-88852 in 1872 in Dansville,, NY. Anna was born in
1850 in Dansville,, NY.
They had the following children:
26 F i. Helen EDWARDS-88853 was born about 1873 in Dansville,, NY.
27 F ii. Catherine EDWARDS-88854 was born about 1876 in Dansville,, NY.
Noah Ellis
Noah Ellis was a cooper in Newburgh NY, and later in Goshen NY. He married Hannah Carpenter, (1807?). They had 5 children? Lydia, Samuel, Lewis, Susan, Harriet.
Records taken from an entry in "Richard Ellis and his Descendants" by E.R. Ellis, which says, "Noah Ellis with his brothers John, James and Joseph were coopers living near Newburgh, NY and later in Goshen, NY"
4065.
Joseph Carpenter III
... Joseph III and Lydia loss their son Joseph in the Civil War.
4073.
John Edward Carpenter
CENSUS: 1850 US Census
Name: John E Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1850
Event Place: St. Mary's county, St. Mary's, Maryland, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 25
Race: White
Race (Original):
Birth Year (Estimated): 1825
Birthplace: Maryland
Household ID: 704
House Number: 700
Line Number: 19
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M432
Affiliate Film Number: 296
GS Film Number: 443527
Digital Folder Number: 004199337
Image Number: 00355
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Uriah Tippett M 47 Virginia
Benjamin Tippett M 44 Maryland
John E Carpenter M 25 Maryland
Ann A Tippett F 42 Maryland
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MD4K-8LM : accessed 26 Sep 2014), John E Carpenter in household of Uriah Tippett, St. Mary's county, St. Mary's, Maryland, United States; citing family 704, NARA microfilm publication M432.
CENSUS: 1860 US Census
Name: Jno E Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1860
Event Place: 4th E District, St. Mary's, Maryland, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 35
Race: White
Race (Original):
Birth Year (Estimated): 1825
Birthplace:
Page: 170
Household ID: 1376
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M653
GS Film Number: 803479
Digital Folder Number: 004231339
Image Number: 00474
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Jno E Carpenter M 35
Sarah C Carpenter F 28
Mary E Carpenter F 5
Catherine Carpenter F 3
Norman E Carpenter M 2
Inft No Name Carpenter M 0
Jas W Carpenter M 19
Margt Alvey F 36
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1860," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M69W-CHZ : accessed 26 Sep 2014), Jno E Carpenter, 4th E District, St. Mary's, Maryland, United States; citing "1860 U.S. Federal Census - Population," Fold3.com; p. 170, household ID 1376, NARA microfilm publication M653; FHL microfilm 803479.
CENSUS: 1870 US Census
Name: John E Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1870
Event Place: Maryland, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 46
Race: White
Race (Original): W
Birth Year (Estimated): 1823-1824
Birthplace: Maryland
Page Number: 25
Household ID: 168
Line Number: 20
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M593
GS Film number: 000552093
Digital Folder Number: 004269482
Image Number: 00229
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
John E Carpenter M 46 Maryland
Sarah C Carpenter F 35 Maryland
Mary E Carpenter F 14 Maryland
Catharine E Carpenter F 12 Maryland
Edward N Carpenter M 11 Maryland
George D Carpenter M 10 Maryland
William Carpenter M 6 Maryland
John H Carpenter M 4 Maryland
Manie Toyer F 16 Maryland
James Jones M 21 Maryland
Randolph Johnson M 20 Maryland
William Wetherton M 16 Maryland
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1870," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MN32-WM3 : accessed 26 Sep 2014), John E Carpenter, Maryland, United States; citing p. 25, family 168, NARA microfilm publication M593, FHL microfilm 000552093.
CENSUS: 1880 US Census
Name: John E Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1880
Event Place: Chaptico, St. Mary's, Maryland, United States
District: 4
Gender: Male
Age: 55
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Race (Original): W
Occupation: Farmer
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Self
Birth Year (Estimated): 1825
Birthplace: Maryland, United States
Father's Birthplace: Maryland, United States
Mother's Birthplace: Maryland, United States
Sheet Number and Letter: 98C
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: T9
Affiliate Film Number: 0514
GS Film Number: 1254514
Digital Folder Number: 004241680
Image Number: 00819
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
John E Carpenter Self M 55 Maryland, United States
Mary E Carpenter Daughter F 22 Maryland, United States
William Carpenter Son M 17 Maryland, United States
Theodore Carpenter Son M 9 Maryland, United States
Sarah C Carpenter Wife F 46 Maryland, United States
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1880," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MNQY-GG2 : accessed 26 Sep 2014), John E Carpenter, Chaptico, St. Mary's, Maryland, United States; citing sheet 98C, NARA microfilm publication T9.
CENSUS: 1890 US Census - burned
GRAVE:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=42593502
John E Carpenter
Birth: Feb. 5, 1825
Death: Mar. 20, 1898 -----------> Should be 1892 and it is 1892 on headstone - but hard to read.
Family links:
Spouse:
S Catherine Carpenter (1831 - 1906)
Children:
Joseph Carpenter (1874 - 1876)*
*Calculated relationship
Burial:
Bethel Cemetery
Budds Creek
St. Mary's County
Maryland, USA
Created by: RosalieAnn
Record added: Oct 01, 2009
Find A Grave Memorial# 42593502
Sarah Catherine Swann Posey
CENSUS: 1900 US Census
GRAVE:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=42593507
S. Catherine Carpenter
Birth: Jan. 31, 1831
Death: May 31, 1906
Family links:
Spouse:
John E Carpenter (1825 - 1898)*
Children:
Joseph Carpenter (1874 - 1876)*
*Calculated relationship
Burial:
Bethel Cemetery
Budds Creek
St. Mary's County
Maryland, USA
Created by: RosalieAnn
Record added: Oct 01, 2009
Find A Grave Memorial# 42593507
9390.
George D. Carpenter
Listed as infant no nmae on 1860 US Census.
9393.
Theodore Benjamin Carpenter
GRAVE:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=42593496
Theodore Benjamin Carpenter
Birth: Jul. 10, 1870
Death: Jan. 8, 1942
Burial:
Bethel Cemetery
Budds Creek
St. Mary's County
Maryland, USA
Created by: RosalieAnn
Record added: Oct 01, 2009
Find A Grave Memorial# 42593496
9394.
Joseph Carpenter
GRAVE:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=42593504
Joseph Carpenter
Birth: 1874
Death: May 18, 1876
St. Mary's County
Maryland, USA
Family links:
Parents:
John E Carpenter (1825 - 1898)
S Catherine Carpenter (1831 - 1906)
Inscription:
Son of John and S. Catherine Carpenter
age 2yr and 2mn ------------------------------------> Calulates to be 18 Mar 1874
Note: broken stone
Burial:
Bethel Cemetery
Budds Creek
St. Mary's County
Maryland, USA
Created by: RosalieAnn
Record added: Oct 01, 2009
Find A Grave Memorial# 42593504
9395.
Ogden "Odie" Carpenter
GRAVE:
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Odie Carpenter
Birth: Sep., 1879
Maryland, USA
Death: Oct. 18, 1879
St. Mary's County
Maryland, USA
Inscription:
age 28 days ----------------------------> Calulates to be 20 Sep 1879
Son of J.W. and M.L. Carpenter
Burial:
Bethel Cemetery
Budds Creek
St. Mary's County
Maryland, USA
Created by: RosalieAnn
Record added: Oct 01, 2009
Find A Grave Memorial# 42593506
9396.
Bertha Carpenter
GRAVE:
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Bertha Carpenter
Birth: 1879
Death: Oct. 8, 1879
St. Mary's County
Maryland, USA
Inscription:
age 6mn and 29da, ---------------------------------> Calulates to be 10 Mar 1879
Daughter of J.W. and M.L. Carpenter
Burial:
Bethel Cemetery
Budds Creek
St. Mary's County
Maryland, USA
Created by: RosalieAnn
Record added: Oct 01, 2009
Find A Grave Memorial# 42593497
9397.
Clara Carpenter
GRAVE:
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Clara Carpenter
Birth: Oct. 7, 1884
Death: Aug. 18, 1887
Inscription:
Daughter of J.W. and M.L. Carpenter
Burial:
Bethel Cemetery
Budds Creek
St. Mary's County
Maryland, USA
Created by: RosalieAnn
Record added: Oct 01, 2009
Find A Grave Memorial# 42593498
9398.
Margaret D. Carpenter
GRAVE:
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Margaret D. Carpenter
Birth: 1886
Death: 1886
Burial:
Bethel Cemetery
Budds Creek
St. Mary's County
Maryland, USA
Created by: RosalieAnn
Record added: Oct 01, 2009
Find A Grave Memorial# 42593505
4087.
Elizabeth Catherine Carpenter
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Re: CARPENTER Family St. Mary's Co., MD c 1750-1800
Posted by: Frank Bradner (ID *****9290) Date: November 07, 2002 at 16:49:28
In Reply to: CARPENTER Family St. Mary's Co., MD c 1750-1800 by Pat Obrist of 6256
PAT --- here is some more Maddox material to chew on ------ Catherine Kate Maddox (1854-1930, bur Chaptico, MD), dau of George & Elizabeth Maddox marr Oscar Garner Hayden (1839-1903, Bur Chaptico, MD). Oscar Garner Hayden was the son of Elizabeth Catherine Carpenter (1823-1893, bur Christ Church, Chaptico, St Marys, MD) and Hezekiah Garner Hayden. Elizabeth Catherine Carpenter was dau of Charles Carpenter (ca 1790-98 - Oct 1823) and ____ Cahill. Charles Carpenter was the son of Capt John Carpenter & Susanna Turner.