Group 3 - Descendants of William Carpenter-98-
Father of William Carpenter-584 (b. abt 1605)
Notes
511.
Samuel "Deacon Samuel" Carpenter
Number 344 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 88
Family on page 162 (#153)
Called Deacon Samuel Carpenter, lived on a farm about a mile from Goshen, NY.
He volunteered at the battle of Minisink and was appointed Captain to guard the
women and children at the Goshen Court House; hence was not in that disastrous
battle. He died at Florida, NY when on a visit to his son, Daniel, about 1800.
NAME:
He was oft called Deacon Samuel because he was a deacon in his Church and to distinguish him from other Samuel Carpenters living in the area.
CENSUS: 1790 US Census
Name: Samuel Carpenter
Home in 1790 (City, County, State): Goshen, Orange, New York
Free White Persons - Males - Under 16: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 16 and over: 5
Free White Persons - Females: 3
Number of Household Members: 9
Source Citation
Year: 1790; Census Place: Goshen, Orange, New York; Series: M637; Roll: 6; Page: 371; Image: 333; Family History Library Film: 0568146
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1790 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: First Census of the United States, 1790 (NARA microfilm publication M637, 12 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
MILITARY:
Samuel the father (#344) is no doubt the Samuel who enlisted as a Sergeant in
Captain George White's Company, 2nd battalion, NY at Fort George on Oct.
13, 1775. We think it is the same Samuel who enlisted as private in Captain
Daniel Denton's company, 3rd NY, commanded by Col. James Clinton, June
28, 1775. This regiment was raised from Orange county, NY. The Samuel who
served as private in Captain John Wood's company of exempt militia in the
county of Orange, NY in the service of the U.S. on different occasions from
July 7, 1778 to July 20, 1779 was probably Samuel the father (#344) also.
REVOLUTIONARY WAR:
The Carpenter and Related Family Historical Journal (1995) Vol. 5, No. 9, p.
552 - indicates he signed the 1775 Revolutionary War Pledge in Goshen, NY.
SEE: DAR PATRIOT INDEX, Served in Ornage County, NY, Militia Association Exempts.
SEE: National Daughters of the American Revolution, Patriot Index.
SEE: New York in the Revolution as Colony and State by Roberts.
MARRIAGE:
Samuel Carpenter m. Elizabeth Allison **Richard Allison will** Goshen 1767 w. Matha
Ch. Joseph, John, Wm, Elizabeth m Samuel Carpenter***, Martha had a son: Richard Allison Carpenter ***, Margaret, youngest names: son in law Samuel Carpenter and brother in law John Wells execs.
and Witnesses: James tyan, Timothy Owen, and James Carpenter proved 1767
*** from Wm's will 1797. See spouse's notes.
Elizabeth "Betsy" Allison
E-MAIL: From: MzCortez@aol.com
To: jrcrin001@cox.net ; CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 7:24 PM
Subject: Orange Co Carps
Abstracts of Wills, Vol XV, 1796-1800 From The New York Historical Society
Collections, this 1906 volume features abstracts of wills on file in the
Surrogates Office, City of New York, from 2/15/1796 to 1/14/1801.
Page 172.--WILLIAM ALLISON, New York, Innkeeper. To my wife Martha and her
heirs, all my right and title to a house and lot I now hold by lease within
New York City, bearing date, August 25, 1794, signed by William Bedlow and
his wife, Catherine Bedlow, and after assigned over to David Lewis by
Alexander Hunt and afterward assigned over by Aon Baik and David Lewis to me
and my wife; also to my wife, all my personal estate, with all my
outstanding debts that shall be recoverable by law, subject to the payment
of all my just debts and funeral charges; also excepting my wearing apparel
which I bequeath to my brother, John Allison; to Benjamin Carpenter, son of
my sister, Elizabeth Carpenter, John Wisner Allison, son of my brother John,
Richard Allison Carpenter, son of my sister, Martha Carpenter, William
Allison Roe, son of my sister, Margaret Roe, William Sears, son of Stephen
Sears and nephew of my wife Martha, and to their heirs, all the remaining
estate, with the right to my brother John to hold the farm he now possesses
in Jericho, Long Island, during one year after my decease which is then to
be sold by my executors and the money so arising, after a reasonable
allowance be deducted for the executors' trouble and expense, to be equally
divided among the last mentioned heirs; if any of the aforesaid heirs should
die before a division is made the money shall be divided among the
survivors. I appoint John Wisner Allison and Benjamin Carpenter, executors.
1614.
Peggy Carpenter
Number 1010 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 163.
No further info given.
1617.
Mary or Polly Carpenter
Number 1007 and 1009 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 163.
Mary and Polly are the same person. She was probably named after a child who
died as an infant, thus the confusion.
She married twice. Residence in NJ.
1620.
Abby Carpenter
Number 1011 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 163.
No further info given.
513.
Abraham Carpenter
Number 346 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 88
No family listed.
The Carpenter and Related Family Historical Journal (1995) Vol. 5, No. 9, p.
552 - indicates two possible children (NOT PROVEN) as children; Abraham and
Daniel J. Carpenter.
Abraham Carpenter enlisted in the Orange County Militia 27 Mar 1760, age 17, born Goshen, a taylor, stature 5' 5-3/4", fair hair, well settled, Capt. Henry Wisener's or Wisner Company - Col. Hawthorn’s Regiment - ibid p. 330-331. (NY RevWar)
Note: Capt Wisner succeeded Col Hawthorn in command at the formation as a LtCol, when that officer became a General.
TAX: 1800 NY Tax - image
Name: Abraham Carpenter
Assessment Year: 1800
Assessment Place: Seneca, Ontario, New York, USA
Residence Year: 1800
Residence Place: New York, USA
Source Information
Ancestry.com. New York, Tax Assessment Rolls of Real and Personal Estates, 1799-1804 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
Original data: New York (State), Comptroller's Office. Tax Assessment Rolls of Real and Personal Estates, 1799–1804. Series B0950 (26 reels). Microfilm. New York State Archives, Albany, New York.
NOTE:
The following Carpenters are on the image. Abraham and Powell. On the next image page is a John Carpenter. See image andf the one previous at: https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/6771/41761_328793-00596?pid=86050&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D6771%26h%3D86050%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DQSF350%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=QSF350&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.109014080.318016931.1582996502-801051458.1578420178#?imageId=41761_328793-00597
CENSUS: 1800 US Census
Name: Abraham Carpenter
Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Seneca, Ontario, New York
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1 <------------ b. bef 1855
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 3
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over: 1
Number of Household Members Under 16: 5
Number of Household Members Over 25: 2
Number of Household Members: 7
Source Citation
Year: 1800; Census Place: Seneca, Ontario, New York; Series: M32; Roll: 28; Page: 498; Image: 108; Family History Library Film: 193716
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1800 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Second Census of the United States, 1800. NARA microfilm publication M32 (52 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
Second Census of the United States, 1800: Population Schedules, Washington County, Territory Northwest of the River Ohio; and Population Census, 1803: Washington County, Ohio. NARA microfilm publication M1804 (1 roll).
TAX: 1802 NY Tax - image
Name: Abraham Carpenter
Assessment Year: 1802
Assessment Place: Eastown, Ontario, New York, USA
Residence Year: 1802
Residence Place: New York, USA
Source Information
Ancestry.com. New York, Tax Assessment Rolls of Real and Personal Estates, 1799-1804 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
Original data: New York (State), Comptroller's Office. Tax Assessment Rolls of Real and Personal Estates, 1799–1804. Series B0950 (26 reels). Microfilm. New York State Archives, Albany, New York.
TAX: 1803 NY Tax - image
Name: Abraham Carpenter
Assessment Year: 1803
Assessment Place: Eastown, Ontario, New York, USA
Residence Year: 1803
Residence Place: New York, USA
Source Information
Ancestry.com. New York, Tax Assessment Rolls of Real and Personal Estates, 1799-1804 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
Original data: New York (State), Comptroller's Office. Tax Assessment Rolls of Real and Personal Estates, 1799–1804. Series B0950 (26 reels). Microfilm. New York State Archives, Albany, New York.
TAX: 1804 NY Tax - image
Name: Abraham Carpenter
Assessment Year: 1804
Assessment Place: Eastown, Ontario, New York, USA
Residence Year: 1804
Residence Place: New York, USA
Source Information
Ancestry.com. New York, Tax Assessment Rolls of Real and Personal Estates, 1799-1804 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
Original data: New York (State), Comptroller's Office. Tax Assessment Rolls of Real and Personal Estates, 1799–1804. Series B0950 (26 reels). Microfilm. New York State Archives, Albany, New York.
CENSUS: 1810 US Census - **** not found - Asssumed deceased - his son Abraham fits well here.
Name: Abm Carpenter
Home in 1810 (City, County, State): Gorham, Ontario, New York
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 3
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 15: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44 : 1 <------ b. abt 1766 to 1784
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 3
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1
Number of Household Members Under 16: 8
Number of Household Members Over 25: 2
Number of Household Members: 10
Source Citation
Year: 1810; Census Place: Gorham, Ontario, New York; Roll: 33; Page: 752; Image: 00205; Family History Library Film: 0181387
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1810 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Third Census of the United States, 1810. (NARA microfilm publication M252, 71 rolls). Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
514.
John Carpenter
Number 347 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 88.
In 1775 he was residing in District No. 10. A blacksmith.
It is believed he went to Orange County, NY and was of Cornwall Precinct to Pittstown, Ressler
County, NY. A Patriot who signed the Revolutionary War Pledge at Cornwell, NY
Precinct Adjutant, and did Patriotic Service in New York.
SEE: DAR PATRIOT INDEX, served 4th Regiment Orange County, New York Militia.
SEE: Letter, April 1904 by James H. Gordon and New York in the Revolution as
Colony and State by Roberts.
AF has birth as "NY Colony".
COMPARE:
RIN 5053 with RIN 124818 both are John Carpenters.
JC-5052 b. abt 1740 LI NY - d. 18 Nov 1875 NY) the son of Samuel C-1963 and Patience ____.
JC-124818 b. abt 1735/1745 NY - d. ? ?) the son of John Carpenter-12825 and Sarah Mary Driver.
Both had a son named John Carpenter (RINS 178719 & 124706) b. abt 1760/1765 NY and who died in 1826 with one in VA and the other in VA.
515.
Joshua Carpenter
Number 348 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 88.
Family on page 164 (#154) is wrong with corrections Per Carpenter and
Related Family Historical Journal serial by Raymond George Carpenter who notes the following.
Joshua bought land in Jamacia, LI in 1756 and he removed from
Jamaica and settled near Elmira, Orange county, New York. A member of the
Church in 1784. He served in the Revolutionary War with his brother Benjamin.
Per New York State Records. Submitted by Mrs. Maria VanHorn Gosvenor (1898)
He was also the Overseer of Highways in 1791.
SPOUSE: Correction, Hannah Ludham married a different Joshua Carpenter. In this case Joshua's uncle Joshua. This was found out because of a will of Henry Ludham the brother of Hannah. Thus, Ludlow is used as the first spouse's name at this time for his first marriage.
See the will of Henry LUDLAM of Jamaica, written the same year Samuel Carpenter of Goshen wrote his will. He names six daughters of his sister Hannah, wife of Joshua Carpenter, while Sam of Goshen's children are not of age.
SEE: DAR PATRIOT INDEX, served 4th Regiment Orange County, New York Militia, in Captain John Minthorn's Company, Colonel John Hathorn's 4th Regiment for six weeks.
SEE: New York in the Revolution as Colony and State by Roberts.
FAMILY: The CM lists #1012 Ruth, #1013 Hannah, #1014 Judith, #1015 Rachel, #1016 Millicent who married Benjamin Vaughan, 5 Oct. 1809 in Warwick, RI., and #1017 Sarah. No birth dates given. Hannah is probably correct in this family. Millicent and Sarah belong in CM Family number 249, children of Wilbur Carpenter. The others are unknown.
BIRTH: 1740 and 1742 are the most widely accepted birth years.
DEATH: d. 1791 Pine City Seeneca Co. NY. And yet another record has 1794 in the same location.
Per Tiny Pearce on Tue, 8 Jun 1999 at traingen@ix.netcom.com.
"However, I have after 10 May 1810." Per Dawn Davies Carpenter of Lakeside, CA at < dawncarpenter@msn.com > who cites land records as late as 15 May 1811 which has his signiture. Now at: < DawnCarpenter@msn.com > in Mar 2008.
The better estimate of his death is then circa 1812/1815.
SPOUSE: See the notes for Hannah Ludham.
Chemung county was created in 1836 from parts of Tioga county, NY.
Tioga county was created in 1791 from part of Montgomery county, NY.
CENSUS: 1790 US Census
Name: Joshua Carpenter
Home in 1790 (City, County, State): Chemung, Montgomery, New York
Free White Persons - Males - Under 16: 3
Free White Persons - Males - 16 and over: 4
Free White Persons - Females: 4
Number of Household Members: 11
Source Citation
Year: 1790; Census Place: Chemung, Montgomery, New York; Series: M637; Roll: 6; Page: 76; Image: 52; Family History Library Film: 0568146
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1790 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: First Census of the United States, 1790 (NARA microfilm publication M637, 12 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
E-MAIL:
From: "Dennis Carpenter"
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Will of Daniel Carpenter of Elmira, Chemung, NY
> Some notes I have gathered about Daniel Carpenter and his family,
> including the will abstract first found at the Chemung County NYGebWeb
>
> Dennis F. Carpenter
> *****
> note:
> Carpenter, Joshua, grandfather of Benjamin C., came to Newtown (now
> Elmira) in [1788], and located permanently the following year upon the
> homestead on which his grandson still owns. At this date Elmira had but
> one house. His son Daniel, born near Newburgh, Orange County, NY in
> 1776, came here in 1788 with his parents and about 1798 married Rebecca
> Dunn, who was born in New Jersey. They had ten children viz.: Sarah,
> James D., Burt, John, Thomas, Elizabeth, Catherine, Rebecca, William,
> and Benjamin C. The latter, born March 16, 1825, has always been a
> farmer and a bachelor, the town line runs through his house.
> (Our county and its people: a history of the valley and county of
> Chemung from the closing years of the eighteenth century. Part VII,
> p.32, Ausburn Towner 1892)
>
More:
Joshua removed with some of his children to West Shelby, Genesee (now Orleans), NY, where 150 acres of lot 36 was soldby article to Joshua Carpenter May 28, 1811. It, with 50 acres more, were deeded to Samuel Whitney June 29, 1816. source - Landmarks of Orleans County, New York, by Freeman A. Greene, 1894, page 523.]
Sarah Burt
Died, at Elmira, on the 18th, Mrs. Sarah Carpenter, mother
of J. Carpenter, aged 64y. Dated: 1827 6/15
Note: she was 74 and not 64.
Sarah (Seely) Carpenter died in 1827, age 64, widow of Jesse Carpenter.
1628.
Pattis Carpenter
Not listed in the Carpenter Memorial.
NOT Mentioned in his brother Benjamin's will of 16 Mar 1846.
1630.
Hannah Carpenter
Number 1013 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 164.
Birth in Warwick or Goshen.
Mentioned in brother Benjamin Carpenter's will dated 16 March 1846 and served notice of will hearing on 23 June 1846.
1631.
Abigail Carpenter
Not listed in the Carpenter Memorial.
Abigail and James Van Horn lived in Friendship, NY. Their home was still
there when Dawn Davies Carpenter visited New York in 1998. She found this of
interest, as the home was only about 3 miles from the farm of Richard
Carpenter in Alleghany county, NY.
Updated by: Dawn Davies Carpenter of Lakeside, CA at dawndavies@msn.com .
Now at: < DawnCarpenter@msn.com > in Mar 2008.
Ludlow
NAME: LUDHAM in the AF and LUDLOW in the Carpenter and Related Family
Historical Journal. LUDHAM or LUDLUM per Dawn Carpenter.
Hannah Ludham married a different Joshua Carpenter.
516.
Richard "Richard The Spy" See Notes" Carpenter
DEATH:PLACE on a British Man-of-war in Boston Harbor, Boston, MA.
See discrepancy below . . .
SEE ALSO: E-MAIL: below.
CARPENTER MEMORIAL DATA IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH ARTICLES NOTED BELOW!
Number 349 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 88
Family on page 164 (#155)
He owned 100 acres of land in District No. 10, Goshen, and this is about two
miles from the village of Goshen. In 1775.
There is extensive notes on pages 88 to 90 in reference to RICHARD OF GOSHEN
AND RICHARD THE SPY of Gen. George Washington. Richard the Spy was either
executed or died of sickness as a prisoner in the winter of 1781 or 1782 on a
British man-of-war in Boston Harbor.
The Carpenter and Related Family Historical Journal (1995) Vol. 5, No. 9, p.
553 - indicates the Richard Carpenter in this family was believed to be born in
April 1756 and died 27 April 1813 who married an Abigail. He owned 100 acres of
land in District 10 of Goshen, New York. A Lieutenant in the 4th Regiment of
Orange County, New York Militia with a Source of DAR PATRIOT INDEX and New York in the Revolution as a Colony and State by Roberts.
Richard Carpenter and his wife Abigail sold their land in Warwick, Orange Co., NY, and removed to Canandaigua, Ontario Co. He died there 27 Apr 1813, age 63y, buried Woodland Cemetery, Canandaigua.]
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THESE ARE THE SAME RICHARD CARPENTER?
Me thinks some one wanted a spy and Ron Hanley has the right information. JRC
WEB PAGE:
http://www.uftree.com/UFT/WebPages/RONHANLEY/RHANLEY/d0/i0003713.htm#s62
Could the following data pertain to this Richard?
1. Richard1 Carpenter (#3713) was born 1750. Richard died April 27, 1813
Canandaigua, New York, at 62 years of
age. His body was interred November 02, 1910 Canandaigua, New York, Woodlawn
Cemetery. According to records from Woodlawn Cemetery the graves of Richard and
Abigail were removed from Pioneer Cemetery on West Avenue to the plot in
Section 7 in 1910. Section 7 on same marker with Thomas Barney.
He married Abigail. (Abigail is #3820.) Abigail was born 1738. Abigail died
October 29, 1816 Canandaigua, New York, at 78 years of age. Her body was
interred November 02, 1910 Canandaigua,
See Richard Carpenter concerning this burial. Section 7 in Woodlawn.
At 32 years of age Abigail became the mother of Elizabeth Carpenter February
11, 1771.
At 20 years of age Richard became the father of Elizabeth Carpenter February
11, 1771.
Richard Carpenter and Abigail had the following children:
2 i. Eunice2 Carpenter (#3712). Eunice died 1814 Canandaigua, New York. Her
body was interred 1814 Canandaigua, New York, West Avenue Pioneer Cemetery. She
married Lt. Samuel Drake in Goshen, Orange Co., New York, June 17, 1790. (Lt.
Samuel Drake is #3711.) Lt. was born 1746. At 45 years of age Lt. became the
father of
Elizabeth Drake in Dutchess Co., New York, May 15, 1792. At 48 years of age Lt.
became the father of Abigail Drake
in New Elmira, Chemung Co. New York, 1794. Lt. became the father of Sarah Drake
1796. At 63 years of age Lt. became the father of Hannah C. Drake Canandaigua,
New York, July 13, 1809. (See Lt. Samuel Drake for the continuation of this
line.)
Eunice became the mother of Elizabeth Drake in Dutchess Co., New York, May
15,1792. Eunice became the mother of Abigail Drake in New Elmira, Chemung Co.
New York, 1794. Eunice became the mother of Sarah Drake 1796. Eunice became the
mother of Hannah C. Drake Canandaigua, New York, July 13, 1809.
3 ii. Mitty Carpenter (#3825). She married Nicholas Barney. (Nicholas Barney
is #3826.)
4 iii. Phebe Carpenter (#3827). She married William Dillon in Orange Co., New
York, 1795. (William Dillon is #3828.) (See William Dillon for the continuation
of this line.)
5 iv. Elizabeth Carpenter (#3823) was born February 11, 1771. Elizabeth died
April 05, 1839 at 68 years of age. Her body was interred November 02, 1910
Canandaigua, New York, Woodlawn. See burial date for Richard Carpenter, removal
from Pioneer Cemetery. Section 7 at Woodlawn Cemetery. She married Thomas
Barney. (Thomas Barney is
#3824.) Thomas was born in Orange County, New York June 01, 1765. Thomas died
February 14, 1850 Canandaigua, New York, at 84 years of age. His body was
interred November 02, 1910 Canandaigua, New York, Woodlawn Cemetery. Section 7
at Woodlawn Cemetery.
Thomas became the father of Abigail Barney 1788. (See Thomas Barney for the
continuation of this line.)
Elizabeth became the mother of Abigail Barney 1788.
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Family Record of Richard "the Spy" Carpenter
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This record of the family of Richard Carpenter is part of the R. Stanton Avery Special Collections at NEHGS. In addition to the typical family information found in such a record, this document makes reference to Richard's arrest and death sentence for "Fritning the Generals Gage How Burgoin & Clinton and twenty two British Regiments in the town of Boston." Further research uncovered a page devoted to this individual in Amos B. Carpenter's A Genealogical History of the Rehoboth Branch of the Carpenter Family in America (1898), where the author expressed his belief that "Richard the spy" was personally asked by George Washington (a close friend of Carpenter's wife) to perform these duties. The author went on to argue that "Richard the spy" and Richard Carpenter of Goshen, New York, were one and the same. Carpenter's descendants told of two family traditions about Richard's fate — the first was that he was executed by the British; the second told that when arrested he claimed to be an emigrant from Ireland. He imitated the Irish brogue so accurately that the British were unable to convict him, but kept him prisoner on a British war ship, where he took sick and died.
Though consisting of a single page, the Carpenter record at NEHGS, which appears to be largely written by Richard himself, contradicts certain elements of the profile in the Carpenter genealogy (such as the Richard of Goshen connection), identifies places of origin for both he and his wife (he was from Ireland), gives his children's names and dates of birth, and provides information about his imprisonment, release, and his apparent second arrest.
Read " Richard the Spy " by Rod D. Moody
SEE: \MISCPICS\RIN 5054 Richard the Spy letter.jpg for the picture.
Transcription
Richard Carpenter Born [page torn] 6
1770 Dec 6th Was Married [page torn] Richard Carpenter of Dublin in Ireland to Elizabeth Brackett of Boston Rivirent
Doctor (?) Kn [page torn] of Kings Chappel [page torn]
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Richard Carpenter [page torn] Born March 28th 1772 - 43 minits after
Eleven O Clock Baptized by the Rivirent Mr. Morehead and
had the Meazils the Feby following 1773
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Elizabeth Carpenter Born August 8th 1773 and Baptized
by the Rivirent Mr. Morehead
had the Meazils Feby 1790
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Samuel Carpenter Born Sept. 19th 1773 and Baptized
by the Reverent Doctor Elliot
had the Meazils Feby 1790
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Richard Carpenter Senior Returned from his captivity in
Feby 1777 after being Nineteen Months absent from his family
During which time he was under sentance of Death for
Fritning the Generals Gage How Burgoin & Clinton and twenty
two British Regiments in the town of Boston but through
the goodness of Almight God I am now clear of them all
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March 17th 1778 Richard Elizabeth & Samuel was Inoculated by
Doctor Bulfinch for the Small Pox and had it all will thanks
be to God for it
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George Brackett Carpenter was Born August 2th 1778
Died Jany 2th 1779 aged five Months and Buryd in
the Burying ground at the back of the Alm house
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Kathrine Carpenter Born Feby 15th 1780
Baptized by the Reverent __ Parker (?) of trinity Church
had the Meazils Feby 1790
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Richard Carpenter Senior, Died onboard the
Prison Ship at New York 6th Jany 1781
in the 35th Year of His Age
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Richard the Spy
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by Rod D. Moody
The Carpenter family record featured in this month's "Ask a Librarian" was given to the Society for Preservation of New England Antiquities in Boston in 1934 by Mrs. Walter K. Watkins, whose husband was an author, genealogist, and life member of NEHGS. It was donated to NEHGS in 1957.
The document, which is torn in a few areas, appears to be that of a Bible record. It is important when compared with the section on this family in the 1898 genealogy written by Amos B. Carpenter titled A Genealogical History of the Rehoboth Branch of the Carpenter Family in America as it seems to prove that the conclusion made by the author about the identity of Richard Carpenter was erroneous. The record also sheds light on other aspects of Richard's life and family, which were also incorrectly documented or inconclusive in the genealogy.
The record lists the family of Richard Carpenter, who is referred to in the genealogy as "Richard the spy." An excerpt from the genealogy describes how Carpenter may have acquired this distinction — at the request of George Washington himself.
"When a General takes the command of an army, the first measures taken are to learn the strength and plans of the enemy. This is accomplished generally through the agency of spies. According to the rules of war, spies are not treated as prisoners of war, but are tried and if convicted are immediately executed. There are only a very few persons who are willing to run the risk of being taken prisoner and executed.
"The importance of such a mission cannot be estimated. Not more than one in five hundred is well calculated for that position. No person would be selected unless he was well known and trustworthy. He must be a person of courage, capable of assuming and representing different characters, cunning, shrewd and discreet.
"The compiler believes that when General Washington took the command of the Continental forces, all the above qualities were found in the person of Richard Carpenter, No. 349, of Goshen, N. Y. and that it was by the solicitation of General Washington in person that Richard consented to comply with his request, considering freedom worth more to the colonist than life. Without the usual parting words with his friends he starts off with Washington for Boston. It would not be prudent for his friends to know his mission."
The author cites family tradition as further indication of a close relationship between the General and the Carpenter family.
"The family of descendants of Richard the spy have a record intermixed with tradition in which we have full confidence of its correctness, viz, Richard the spy married Hannah or Elizabeth Brackett of Boston a most estimable woman, an acquaintance of General Washington who on all occasions when called to Boston visited them, also gave her many valuable presents, and after the death of her husband, he found her a situation in Governor Hancock's family as housekeeper, and furnished all necessary wants till her children were large enough to support her."
The genealogy also tells of two different family traditions regarding his confinement and fate; both are excerpted below.
"There is a tradition that Richard the spy was taken by the British and accused of being a spy and imprisoned on an English war vessel in Boston harbor, he claiming to be an Irishman, an emigrant from Ireland, and was not connected with the Revolution, imitating the Irish brogue so accurately that they were unable to convict him but kept him a prisoner, he was taken sick and died a prisoner, claiming to the last that he was an Irishman.
"Another tradition that he was taken prisoner and convicted of being a spy and was executed about 1781 or 1782, and his wife with the younger child in her arms was permitted to visit him the night before he was executed, both traditions agree that he claimed to be an Irishman, and is called Richard the spy."
The author goes on to argue that Richard the spy and Richard of Goshen, New York, son of Samuel, are one and the same. Richard of Goshen was born about 1748, married, settled on a 100-acre lot in Goshen, and in 1774 a daughter, Phebe was born. According to the genealogy, this was also the year that Richard's wife died, after which no record is found of Richard in the vicinity of Goshen or about the sale of his lot. Richard of Goshen had siblings Samuel, William, Abraham, John, Joshua, Abigail (probably a twin to Richard), Martha, and "a child not named."
The great grandson of Richard the spy, George O. Carpenter, stated in the genealogy that Richard married Elizabeth Brackett at King's Chapel and had sons (Amos Carpenter's comments follow the names of the children) Samuel ("probably named after Richard's father or brother Samuel"), William ("named after Richard's brother William"), Richard, and daughters Abigail ("no doubt a twin to Richard and named after the twins in his father's family"), and Sophronia ("probably named after his first wife").
A sister of George O. Carpenter recalled that "my great aunt Catherine Carpenter used to tell us about her brother Richard who married a lady in Philadelphia. He must have been a son of Richard the spy."
It is interesting to compare the Carpenter family record with the information in Carpenter genealogy and the recollections of descendants. It provides the date and place of Richard and Elizabeth's wedding, their places of origin (which, if true, explains Richard's accurate imitation of the Irish brogue), and the names and birthdates for their children. Further, it describes Richard's fate and appears to disprove Carpenter's theory that Richard of Goshen and Richard the spy were the same. Below are the key points of interest:
1. The document appears to indicate that Richard of Goshen and Richard the spy were not the same person. Carpenter's genealogy states that Richard of Goshen had a daughter in 1774, which was also the year his first wife died. This would mean that Richard would have married Elizabeth Brackett after 1774. The family document gives the year of his marriage to Elizabeth Brackett as 1770 at the King's Chapel in Boston. Records from the church confirm this date.
2. Perhaps the "fake" Irish brogue wasn't fake after all. The document appears to read "was married Richard Carpenter of Dublin in Ireland to Elizabeth Brackett of Boston."
3. Family record lists the following children of Richard and Elizabeth (note the absence of the supposed twins Abigail and Richard, and Sophronia, which further diminishes Carpenter's theory about the two Richards):
Richard Carpenter, born March 28, 1772
Elizabeth Carpenter, born August 8, 1773
Samuel Carpenter, born September 19, 1775
George Brackett Carpenter, born August 2, 1778, died January 2, 1779
Kathrine Carpenter, born February 15, 1780
3. The fate of Richard is documented here as well. It appears that Richard was exchanged in late 1776 or January 1777. He returned to active duty in February of 1777, then resigned from the army in October of that year [1] . What occurred between his resignation and his second imprisonment between 1779 and 1781 is unknown, except that he fathered two additional children, George and
Kath[e]rine. Richard Carpenter died on a prison boat in New York in 1781 [2] . It is not clear if he was executed or died of other causes.
One entry of the family record reads:
"Richard Carpenter Senior Returned from his captivity in Feby 1777 after being Nineteen Months absent from his family During which time he was under sentance of Death for Fritning the Generals Gage How Burgoin & Clinton and twenty two British Regiments in the town of Boston but through the goodness of Almight God I am now clear of them all"
A subsequent entry reads:
"Richard Carpenter Senior, Died onboard the Prison Ship at New York 6th Jany 1781 in the 35th Year of His Age"
[1] A footnote in Volume 8 of The Papers of George Washington (University Press of Virginia, 1985-), which covers January to March of 1777 describes a letter that John Hancock wrote to George Washington "recommending that Washington employ Walter Cruise and Richard Carpenter (1746–1781), two recently exchanged American officers 'who have been treated with the utmost Severity by the Enemy ... in the manner you think most proper, and beneficial to the Service.' An enclosed resolution of 13 Jan. granted $100 each to the two men. On 24 Jan. Washington sent copies of the resolution to Col. John Patton, urging Patton to find a spot for Cruise in his regiment, and to the Massachusetts committee of safety, informing the committee of Carpenter's desire to serve in that state's line. Both Cruise and Carpenter returned to active military service in mid-February ... Carpenter as a second lieutenant in the 15th Massachusetts Regiment. Carpenter resigned from the army in October 1777."
[2] Appendix A of Danske Dandridge's American Prisoners of the Revolution (1911) contains a list of 8000 men who were prisoners on board the prison ship Old Jersey, which was first moored in 1780 in Wallabout Bay, off the coast of Long Island. A "Richards Carpenter" is included on the list. Dandridge describes the Old Jersey thusly: "Of all the ships that were ever launched the Old Jersey was the most notorious. Never before or since, in the dark annals of human sufferings, has so small a space enclosed such a heavy weight of misery. No other prison has destroyed so many human beings in so short a space of time."
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E-MAIL:
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008
From: DCTINMAN@webtv.net (Dennis Carpenter)
Subject: [CARPENTER] Richard Carpenter of Goshen, NY
To: carpenter@rootsweb.com
After finding this item from the New England Historic Genealogy Society,
http://newenglandancestors.org/libraries/manuscripts/richardthe_spy__656_61501.asp
which says Richard Carpenter of Goshen, NY, was not likely "Richard the
spy" I went on a search for Richard Carpenter, brother of my fourth
greatgrandfather, Joshua Carpenter, and I believe he may have removed to
Canandaigua, NY.
note:
Richard Carpenter, number 349 in the Carpenter Memorial, pages 88-90,
family number 155 on page 164.
If you remove "the spy" from Richard of Goshen you are left with this on
page 89:
"Richard of Goshen was b. about 1748 son of Samuel Carpenter, also
Richard's eldest brother was named Samuel, a family of nine children.
The father died in 1752 before Samuel, his eldest, was 21 years of age.
Richard was the sixth son. The seventh was a daughter named Abigail. She
probably was a twin to Richard as given in the record of the family.
Richard married and settled on a 100 acre lot in district No. 10, about
two miles from the village of Goshen : a daughter Phebe was born in
1774. His father's estate was in the same district or vicinity.
Three of his brothers, viz., Samuel, John and Benjamin, resided in the
same district and a widow Mary Carpenter.
It appears that nearly all of the brothers of Richard served in some
capacity in the Revolution.
After the death of Richard's wife in 1774, no trace can be found of
Richard in or about Goshen ; on tax list, sale of the 100 acre lot or
the settlement of his estate.
It is evident that the 100 acre lot went out of the possession of the
family as Phebe the only heir when married moved to Michigan where she
died."
It also implies that Sophronia was the name of his first wife, who died
about 1774.
His family on page 164 has:
"Phebe was b. Oct. 15, 1775 : m. William Dillon, b. April 16, 1769. He
d. July 26, 1814, and she d. June 10, 1853. Phebe was by Richard's 1st
wife b. in Goshen, N. Y. Richard resided on a lot of 100 acres near
where his father lived, in the same school district about two miles from
the village of Goshen. It appears that the home farm did not fall to his
daughter Phebe for when she was married she and Mr. Dillon moved to
Michigan and died there."
note:
Richard Carpenter of Orange Co., NY, removed to Canandaigua, Ontario,
NY.
??????In 1798 Richard Carpenter sold his property in Warwick
to David Buskirk. (1) ? In 1799 Richard Carpenter purchased land from
Oliver Phelps in Ontario Co., NY. (2) ? Richard Carpenter died April
27, 1813, age 63y, his wife, Abigail, died October 29, 1816, age 78y,
they are buried in Woodlawn
Cemetery, Canandaigua, NY. (3)
??????Thomas and Elizabeth (Carpenter) Barney came from
Orange Co., NY, to Canandaigua Jun 1798. (3b) (see cemetery photos)
????Thomas Barnea married Elizabeth Carpenter Aug. 27, 1787 at
First Presbyterian Church, Goshen, Orange, NY. (4)
????Thomas Barnea purchased land from Richard Carpenter in
Ontario Co., NY. (5) Thomas and Elizabeth (Carpenter) Barney are buried
in Woodlawn
Cemetery, Canandaigua, Ontario, NY. (3b) Thomas Barney died in Newark,
Wayne, NY, aged 85 years. (6)
??????Samuel Drake married Unice Carpenter on April 17, 1790
at First Presbyterian Church, Goshen, Orange, NY. (4)
????Samuel Drake witnessed a land transation of Joshua Carpenter
in Chemung Co., NY. Is this the same Samuel Drake? (7)
????Samuel Drake and Eunice Drake purchased land in Ontario Co.,
NY from Richard Carpenter in 1813. (8)
??????Eunice wife of Lt. Samuel Drake died July 14, 1814,
age 41y, and is buried in Pioneer Cemetery, Canandaigua, Ontario, NY.
(9)
????Samuel Drake sold land in Ontario Co., NY to Thomas Barney
in 1816.
(5)
??????William Dillon married Phebe, daughter of Richard
Carpenter. (10) ? William Dillon died July 26, 1814, in 46th yr, and
is buried in Dillon Cemetery, Hopewell, Ontario, NY. (11)
Richard C. Dillon is listed next to Thomas Barney in 1820 census,
Canandaigua, Ontario, NY. There is a Richard C. Dillon in 1830 census,
Washtenaw Co., Michigan.
sources:
(1)
deedsgh.txt
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ny/orange/deeds/deedsgh.txt
(2)
Deed Index, Ontario County, NY, 1789 - 1845, Letter C, Grantee
http://www.raims.com/deedsc.html
(3)
Woodlawn Cemetery - Canandaigua NY
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyontari/WoodlawnCD.htm
(3b)
Woodlawn Cemetery
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/ontario/cems/canandaigua/woodlawn/woodba-be.htm
(4)
The early records of the First Presbyterian Church at Goshen, New York ;
from 1767 to 1885. Charles C. Coleman, 1934.
Marriage Records 1787-1789
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyorange/marriages_05.htm
Marriage Records 1790-1792
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyorange/marriages_06.htm
(5)
Deed Index, Ontario County, NY, Letter "B", 1789-1845
Address:http://raims.com/deedsb.html
(6)
Marriage and Death Notices Ontario County NY
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyontari/marriagedeathnoticeontariomessenger1850.htm
(7)
CarpenterLandDeeds
http://ourfamilyjournal.homestead.com/carpenterlanddeeds.html
(8)
Deed Index for Ontario County, NY, 1789 - 1845, Letter "D"
http://raims.com/deedsd.html
(9)
Pioneer Cemetery - Canandaigua NY
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyontari/pioneercemcitycdga.htm
(10)
A genealogical history of the Rehoboth branch of the Carpenter family in
America : ... (Carpenter Memorial). Amos Bugbee Carpenter, 1898.
pages 88-90, 164.
(11)
Dillon Cemetery - Town of Hopewell - Ontario County NY
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyontari/dilloncem.htm
Dennis F. Carpenter
1638.
Phebe Carpenter
Number 1018 in the Carpenter Memorial. No family listed.
Per notes in the CM. Phebe was by Richard's first wife, b. in
Goshen, NY. Richard resided on a lot of 100 acres near where his father
lived, in the same school district about two miles from the village of Goshen.
It appears that the home farm did not fall to his daughter Phebe for when she
was married she and Mr. Dillon moved to Michigan and died there.
William Dillon
SEE: WEB PAGE AT:
http://www.uftree.com/UFT/WebPages/RONHANLEY/RHANLEY/d2/i0003828.htm#i3828
1. William1 Dillon (#3828) birth date unknown.
He married Phebe Carpenter in Orange Co., New York, 1795. (Phebe Carpenter is #3827.) Phebe was born in Goshen, Orange County, New York 1775. Phebe was the daughter of Richard Carpenter and Abigail.
William Dillon and Phebe Carpenter had the following children:
2 i. Richard Carpenter2 Dillon (#3829). He married Lois. (Lois is #5523.)
3 ii. James Dillon (#5518). He married Sally. (Sally is #5524.)
4 iii. Submit Dillon (#5519). She married William Disbrow. (William Disbrow is #5522.)
5 iv. Sally Dillon (#5520). She married Chester Ingalls. (Chester Ingalls is #5521.)
Hannah Elizabeth Brackett
An acquaintance of Gen. Washington who on all occasions when called to Boston
visited her and her family and also gave her many valuable presents, and after
the death of her husband, he found her a situation in Governor Hancock's family
as housekeeper, and furnished all necessary wants until her children were large
enough to support her. She was a most estimable woman.
1640.
William Carpenter
Not listed in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 164
1641.
Richard Carpenter
Number 1019-A in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 164
Mrs. Woodward states that that this Richard went to PA and married a
lady of Phildelphia.
CENSUS: 1790 US Census
Name: Richard Carpenter
Home in 1790 (City, County, State): Goshen, Orange, New York
Free White Persons - Males - 16 and over: 2
Free White Persons - Females: 3
Number of Household Members: 5
Source Citation
Year: 1790; Census Place: Goshen, Orange, New York; Series: M637; Roll: 6; Page: 371; Image: 333; Family History Library Film: 0568146
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1790 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: First Census of the United States, 1790 (NARA microfilm publication M637, 12 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
1642.
Abigail Carpenter
Number 1019-B in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 164
1643.
Catherine Carpenter
Number 1019-C in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 164
Catherine never married and lived with her nephew George W. B. Carpenter (#
8328) from 1825 till she died.
519.
Benjamin Carpenter
Number 352 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 90
352 IX. A child not named. He was probably called Benjamin, as Benjamin was in District No. 10, near Goshen, N.Y. in 1775 where his father Samuel resided.
He served in the Revolutionary war with his brother Joshua. Per NY
State Records. Submitted by Mrs. Maria VanHorn Gosvenor (1898).
In 1775 was in district No. 10 in Goshen NY near where his father resided.
Per page 839, a child of Benjamin named Samuel married Nancy Gardner daughter
of Martha Carpenter (#1006)
The Carpenter and Related Families Historical Journal page 553, Vol. V, No. 9.
indicates he signed the Revolutionary War Pledge, Cornwell Precinct, New York.
He married and had several children. May have moved west.
NOTE: Name may or may not be Benjamin. It might be Carman or another name. Or they may be twins?
1646.
Hannah Carpenter
BAPTISIM: image
Name: Hannah Carpenter
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1 Apr 1786
Baptism Date: 14 May 1786
Baptism Place: Goshen, New York, USA
Church: First Presbyterian Church
Father: Benjamin Carpenter
Source Citation
Presbyterian Historical Society; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; U.S., Presbyterian Church Records, 1701-1907; Book Title: 1773 - 1851
Source Information
Ancestry.com. U.S., Presbyterian Church Records, 1701-1970 [database on-line]. Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016.
Original data: Church Registers. Presbyterian Historical Society, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
NOTE: Per image
Samuel and Hannah, son & daughter of Benjamin Carpenter. Born Apr 1, 1786.
MARRIAGE: 1839 - image
Name: Noah Ellis
Gender: Male
Spouse: Hannah Ellis <----- Carpenter
Marriage Date: 20 Feb 1839
City: Chester
County: Hampden
Source: Family History Library, Salt Lake City, UT, Film # 0760646 & 0879889.
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Massachusetts, U.S., Compiled Marriages, 1633-1850 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005.
Original data: Dodd, Jordan, Liahona Research, comp. Massachusetts, Marriages, 1633-1850. With some noted exceptions all marriage records in this collection can be found at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah, and may be available through Family History Centers throughout the United States. See table below for information listed.
CENSUS: 1850 US Census
Name: Hannah Ellis
Gender: Female
Age: 64
Birth Year: abt 1786
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1850: Flushing, Queens, New York, USA
Line Number: 18
Dwelling Number: 589
Family Number: 673
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Ellis 44
Ann Ellis 35
Mary Ellis 17
Jane Ellis 11
Harriet Ellis 9
Clarisa Ellis 7
Heneretta Ellis 4
Hannah Ellis 64 <---------------------------
Source Citation
Year: 1850; Census Place: Flushing, Queens, New York; Roll: 583; Page: 290a
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1850 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2009. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Seventh Census of the United States, 1850; (National Archives Microfilm Publication M432, 1009 rolls); Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29; National Archives, Washington, D.C.
520.
Carman Carpenter
PARENT:
Benjamin Carpenter-4918 as the parent has been clearly disproved.
Samuel Carpenter as the parent needs more poof. See EMAIL: below. Good 7 points!
BOOK: Book citing 1776
Name: Carman Carpenter
Residence Date: 1776
Residence Place: Orange, New York, United States
Comments: (Land Bounty Rights) 3rd Reg't
Source Citation
New York in the Revolution as Colony and State, Vol. I - Extracts; Publication Place: Albany, New York; Publisher: J. B. Lyon Co.; Publication Year: 1904; Page Number: 255
Source Information
Ancestry.com. New York, Genealogical Records, 1675-1920 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.
Original data:
For individual sources please see the source information listed with each record. Many of the source documents are available in the Genealogical Research Library collection or at the Family History Library.
MARRIAGE: 1779
Name: Carman Carpenter
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Mary Webb
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 21 Nov 1779
Event Place: First Presbyterian Church,Goshen,Orange,New York
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M53093-2
System Origin: New_York-ODM
GS Film number: 1310908
Reference ID:
Citing this Record:
"New York, Marriages, 1686-1980," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F634-W52 : accessed 16 Jul 2014), Carman Carpenter and Mary Webb, 21 Nov 1779; citing reference ; FHL microfilm 1310908.
MILITARY: 1779 - Image
Name: Carman Carpenter
Gender: Male
Military Date: Mar-May 1779
Military Place: New York, USA
State or Army Served: New York
Regiment: Amenia Precinct
Rank: Sergeant
Source Information
Ancestry.com. U.S., Revolutionary War Rolls, 1775-1783 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2007.
Original data:
Revolutionary War Rolls, 1775-1783; (National Archives Microfilm Publication M246, 138 rolls); War Department Collection of Revolutionary War Records, Record Group 93; National Archives, Washington. D.C.
SEE ALSO: image
Name: Carman Carpenter
Military Date: 1 Mar 1782
Military Place: New York, USA
Rank: Sergeant
Military Unit: Guards, Militia
Notes: State
Source Citation
National Archives; Washington, D.C.; Compiled Service Records of Soldiers who Served in the American Army During the Revolutionary War; Record Group Title: War Department Collection of Revolutionary War Records; Record Group Number: 93; Series Number: M881; NARA Roll Number: 778
Source Information
Ancestry.com. U.S., Compiled Revolutionary War Military Service Records, 1775-1783 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010.
Original data:
Compiled Service Records of American Naval Personnel and Members of the Departments of Quartermaster General and the Commissary General of Military Stores who Served During the Revolutionary War; (National Archives Microfilm Publication M880, 4 rolls); War Department Collection of Revolutionary War Records, RG 93; National Archives, Washington, D.C.
Compiled Service Records of Soldiers who Served in the American Army During the Revolutionary War; (National Archives Microfilm Publication M881, 1096 rolls); War Department Collection of Revolutionary War Records, RG 93; National Archives, Washington, D.C.
SEE ALSO:
Name: Carman Carpenter
Military Place: Orange, New York, USA
Regiment: Third Regiment
Rank: Enlisted Men
Source Citation
Orange County Militia (Land Bounty Rights) -- Third Regiment
Source Information
Ancestry.com. New York Military in the Revolution [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2000.
Original data: Electronic reproduction of New York in the Revolution as Colony and State, Vol. II, originally published in 1897.
CENSUS: 1790 US Census
Name: Carman Carpenter
Event Place: Goshen, Orange, New York
Page Number: 373
Line Number: 35443
Affiliate Publication Number: M637
Affiliate Film Number: 6
GS Film number: 0568146
Digital Folder Number: 004440870
Image Number: 00334
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1790," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHKP-RKN : accessed 16 Jul 2014), Carman Carpenter, Goshen, Orange, New York; citing "1790 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 373, line 35443, NARA microfilm publication M637, roll 6, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 00334.
SEE ALSO:
Name: Carman Carpenter
Home in 1790 (City, County, State): Goshen, Orange, New York
Free White Persons - Males - Under 16: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 16 and over: 2
Free White Persons - Females: 3
Number of Household Members: 7
Source Citation
Year: 1790; Census Place: Goshen, Orange, New York; Series: M637; Roll: 6; Page: 373; Image: 334; Family History Library Film: 0568146
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1790 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: First Census of the United States, 1790 (NARA microfilm publication M637, 12 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
CENSUS: 1800 US Census
Name: Carman Carpenter
Event Place: Minisink, Orange, New York
Page Number: 329
Affiliate Publication Number: M32
Affiliate Film Number: 21
GS Film number: 193709
Digital Folder Number: 004440839
Image Number: 00336
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1800," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XH5T-JJS : accessed 16 Jul 2014), Carman Carpenter, Minisink, Orange, New York; citing "1800 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 329, NARA microfilm publication M32, roll 21, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 193709.
E-MAIL: Robin C.
mailto:Analytix@valley.net
Date: 30 July 2009
Per Carman's will (1811), he had four children. Two sons; Samuel (eldest) and Jonathan, and two daughters; Mary (Carpenter) Pierce and Abigail (Carpenter) Van/Cleft/Young (1st/2nd marriages).
E-MAIL:
From: Robin C
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 2:46 PM
To: John R Carpenter ; Larry.carpenter@yahoo.com ; jcarpenter@hsc.wvu.edu ; wvjcarp@yahoo.com ; John 00 Chandler ; Terry 00 Carpenter
Cc: carpenter114@comcast.net ; Msweeney1104@hotmail.com ; rcarpenter69@yahoo.com ; 00 000
Subject: Re: Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project - part of Group 3 - Part 3
Hello John: Thanks for your prompt response Tuesday afternoon. And assuming you have "unlinked" Carman from Benjamin, thanks for that too. (Your note says "Some claimed" Benjamin-4918 as the father of Carman. I'm glad you've let go of that claim, but can't help wondering who-on-earth advanced such a claim. So far as I can tell, there is NOTHING supporting that view. Nada. Zip. Zilch.) As for your saying "Samuel as the parent (of Carman) needs more proof," I agree entirely. I have to admit, however, that I have all-but given up hope of finding dispositive evidence of it. So the evidence for that parentage is entirely circumstantial, but in my opinion it is stronger than any competing theory. So here is the circumstantial evidence for taking Samuel Carpenter (ABC #92) as probable father of Carman: 1. First is the "enabling" fact that Carman was born at the right time (early 1750s) to fit the "one in the womb not born" cited in Samuel's 1752 will. This it's-the-right-era fact is nothing more than enabling, but without it there would be no case. (Also consistent is that Carman is not named as a son in any other Carpenter wills, of which there are many.) 2. Next is the fact that Carman's two sons were named Samuel and Jonathan. A common naming protocol of the era was to name a first son for the father's father and second son for the mother's father. These facts provide a plausible supposition that perhaps Carman's father was a Samuel (some Samuel) and that his wife's father was a Jonathan (some Jonathan). 3. But we know that in fact Carman's wife's father was a Jonathan---Jonathan Webb (father of Carman's wife Mary Webb). And because Carman's second son was indeed given the name of that son's maternal grandfather adds substantial weight to the supposition that the expected first-son second-son naming protocol was in effect. That is, the supposition that Carman's first son (Samuel) was likely named for the paternal grandfather. 4. But what particular Samuel Carpenter could that grandfather be? I'm pretty confident there is no other Samuel Carpenter of that time and place who could be the father of Carman. 5. Carman is listed on the 1775 Goshen property tax assessment in the West Division, which includes "District 1 plus Golden Hill and Carpenter's Corners." At that time (1775), Carman can be no more than 25 years old, no matter who his father. There is no record of Carman buying the land. Where could this property have come from at this age if not by inheritance? So how could Carman have a property inheritance without being named in a will?.....one answer would be that he was un-named in a will because he was yet un-born. (P.S. Carman sold the land to David Case in 1796, and moved to Minisink.) 6. Back in 1790, the census lists Carman right in the middle of listings for the sons of Samuel (ABC 92), sons of Solomon (ABC 75 & 96), and sons of Joseph (ABC #91). It's plausible (even likely) that census listings were recorded in some relation to geographical proximities (as a census-taker works his way through town, avoiding "doubling back" whenever possible). Other 1790 Carpenter listings are loosely clustered in similar manner by fathers' former lands. So Carman's census position could equally argue for his father being Samuel, Solomon or Joseph---except that Samuel is the only one of these three known to have an un-accounted child born in the early 1750s. That's it. All comment and criticism are welcome. Robin
JRC adds ...
7. The Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project – Group 3 - has test results for two descendants of Samuel Carpenter (C#4963) the proposed father of Carman. Both descendants match the Group 3 mean with only one that has two minor mutations. The administrators by posting the lineage support the possibility that Samuel was the father of Carman.
And the possibility that Carman was a possible twin of Benjamin with proof lacking.
AGBI:
Name: Carman Carpenter
Birth Date: 1750
Birthplace: New York
Volume: 25
Page Number: 157
Reference: Heads of Fams. at the first U.S. census. NY. By U.S. Bureau of the Census. Washington, 1908. (308p.):139
Source Information
Godfrey Memorial Library, comp.. American Genealogical-Biographical Index (AGBI) [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 1999.
Original data: Godfrey Memorial Library. American Genealogical-Biographical Index. Middletown, CT, USA: Godfrey Memorial Library.
Mary Webb
ANCESTRY:
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/63211941/person/32102429934
Parents:
Jonathan Webb 1723 – 1801
Mary Knapp 1727 –
1648.
Mary Carpenter
She married a Pierce?
1650.
Abigail Carpenter
She married a Young then later Benjamin Van Cleft or Clift.
523.
Christiana Carpenter
Numbers 343 and 359 in the Carpenter Memorial, on pages 88 and 90, are
flipflopped. Christiana belongs in this family.
Per The Carpenter and Related Family Historical Journal, 1995, Vol. V, No.9,
page 553.
SEE: The History of Orange County, New York, page 24, #1690 The Epistle,
Vol. X, number 76, Jan. 1984.
SEE: The Coleman's history of Thomas Coleman pg 74 indicates that Benjamin
Coleman's son GABRIEL married 5 Feb 1811 SALLY b 1788, dau of PETER STAGG and
RUTH CARPENTER, widow of Ephraim Marston.
Gabriel and Ruth's children were:
James Milton b 1808 m Mary Ann Timlow
Bradner b 1810 m Prudence Sayer
Susan b 1812 m Lewis Parkhurst
Garbiel's father, Benjamin (son of Benjamin) b 1755 Goshen, OR CO, NY, d.
1832 married HANNAH FINCH, dau of JOHN and CHRISTIANa (CARPENTER) FINCH.
SEE:
http://longislandgenealogy.com/carpenter/CarpenterHeroine.pdf
Under books:
RIN 4793 Christiana - CarpenterHeroine.pdf
RIN 4793 Christiana - CarpenterHeroine2.pdf
Unis Rosecranse
ROSECRANCE, ROSENCRANCE, ROSENKRANS, ROSENCRANS, ROSEKRANS, ROSECRANS,
ROSEGRANCE, ROSENGRANCE or other variants.
525.
Samuel Carpenter
Number 356 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 90
526.
Sarah Carpenter
Number 353 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 90
Born in Goshen, Orange, NY per the CM.
Born in Jamaica, Long Island, NY per the Carpenter & Related Family Historical
Journal, page 553, Vol. V, Number 9.
Nathaniel Cooley
He is listed of Minisink per the Carpenter Memorial.
BIRTH: Some people have 1744 as the birth year.
DEATH: Some people have 1821 as the death year. Both birth and death year differences may indicate wrong data present.
William Lytle
NAME: Lytle also Little.
527.
Rev. Gilbert Carpenter
Number 355 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 90
Family on page 787 (# 1683). The Carpenter Memorial indicates that the first five children were baptized in 1782.
Rev. Gilbert Carpenter was a prisoner on the ship "Jersey" in New York Harbor, but escaped to the mainland.
Updates Submitted by: Jan McCullough
Date: 11 July, 1999.
AFN: 18QC-SW3
Village of Galena
Village Officials Photos of Galena
Brief History Gilbert Carpenter founded Zoar in 1809, and he conveyed the land to William Carpenter in 1813. William continued with the plans and Zoar became a village in 1816. the original town included Walnut St., Mill Race, Middle St., The Square, State Road, Front St., a meeting house and a burial ground.
In 1834 the name was changed to Galena to avoid confusion with another Zoar, Ohio.
Early settlers including soldiers of the American Revolution buried in Galena were James Atherton, Russell Bigelow, Ezekial Brown, Benjamin and Gilbert Carpenter, Edward Knapp, Gideon Osterhout, James Moore, Stiles Parker and Morgan Young.
The War of 1812 soldiers were Gilbert and Daniel Weeks, Peter Weycoff, Henry Slack, Addison Carver, Samuel Leonard, James and Moses Carpenter and John Smith.
Other early residents were Nathan Dustin, Sr., Tom Van Fleet, Ed Sherman (who held a patent on building covered bridges), Enoch Domigan, John S. Brown, Samuel Leonard Ira Arnold, Harlowe Allen, Mr. Manter, Wlias Murray and Marcus Curtis. Most of these settlers came from Pennsylvania.
From "History of Delaware County and Ohio, 1880"
http://community.lib.oh.us/Sbwacoc/Village_and_Townships/Galena_Village.htm
WILKES BARRE GAZETTE & LUZERNE ADVERTISER.
TUESDAY PUBLICATION.
PUBLISHED BY - JOSIAH WRIGHT.
WILKES BARRE, LUZERNE CO., PA.
http://wyomingpa.freeservers.com/WBG1797.html
19 Jan. 1801
Fire! About five o'clock on the morning of Wednesday, the 7th inst., that
valuable Grist-Mill, belonging to Fostor HORTON, of Tunkhannock, was
discovered to be on fire; and in two hours was burnt to the ground, together
with the valuable effects it contained, among which were 100 bushels of
grain; 75 belonging to Mr. HORTON, the remainder to his neighbors.
He had expended about one thousand pounds on this mill, had turned his
attention principally to it, and had brought it to such perfection that its
equal was not within 20 miles. By very great exertions, an adjoining
Saw-Mill, which was several times on fire, was saved from the devouring
element.
Here in a field for exercise of Humanity. Let those to whom Fortune has
dispensed her favors, extend the hand of Charity for the relief of a worthy,
tho' unfortunate fellow-citizen, who sees the effects of several years
industry in a heap of ruins.
Those gentlemen who feel a disposition to assist Mr. HORTON in the erection a
new Mill, will be pleased to leave their donations with Col. HOLLENBACK, or
Judge FELL, in Wilkesbarre and Lawrence MYERS Esq., Rev. Gilbert CARPENTER or
Williams TRUCKS in Kingston. We believe the smaller favors will be thankfully
received.
CENSUS: 1810 Ohio State Census - Tax List
Name: Gilbert Carpenter
State: OH
County: Delaware County
Township: No Township Listed
Year: 1810
Record Type: Tax list
Page: 011
Database: OH 1810 Washington Co. Census Index
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Ohio, Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index, 1790-1890 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999.
Original data: Jackson, Ronald V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp.. Ohio Census, 1790-1890. Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.
CENSUS: 1820 US Census <------- Yes, he died in 1819 but not uncommon for wife to maintain such during probate
Name: Gilbert Carpenter
Home in 1820 (City, County, State): Sunbury, Delaware, Ohio
Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over : 1
Free White Persons - Over 25: 2
Total Free White Persons: 2
Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 2
Source Citation
1820 U S Census; Census Place: Sunbury, Delaware, Ohio; Page: 219; NARA Roll: M33_89; Image: 127
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1820 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fourth Census of the United States, 1820. (NARA microfilm publication M33, 142 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
LAND:
Land transfer - Probably this person. Likely done part of probate.
http://www.heritagepursuit.com/Marion/Deed1.txt.htm
PAGE Number GRANTOR GRANTEE SIGNING DATE NEIGHBORS / WITNESSES
91 Gilbert Carpenter; James Murphy and Rhoda Murphy John Ashbaugh 9/18/1823 "James Ashbaugh","Alexander Jenkins; John Lozer.
GRAVE: - See image: RIN 13165 Gilbert Carpenter GRAVE.jpg
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=19637715
Rev Gilbert Carpenter
Birth: unknown <---------- updated to 1746 Goshen, Orange, NY
Death: unknown <--------- updated to 19 Jun 1819 , Delaware, OH
Revolutionary War veteran.
Brother of Lt. Benjamin Carpenter.
Family links:
Spouse:
Sarah Carpenter (1746 - 1817)
Children:
Rhoda Carpenter (1778 - 1815)*
*Calculated relationship
Burial:
Galena Cemetery
Galena
Delaware County
Ohio, USA
Created by: Justin Overby
Record added: May 31, 2007
Find A Grave Memorial# 19637715
MISC:
Nathan Carpenter-8357 and Rev. Gilbert Carpenter-13165 are 3rd cousins. Their common ancestors are William Carpenter-584 and Abigail Briant-659.
Sarah Scoville
NAME:
Scovele and Scoville.
GRAVE: - See image: RIN 13165 Gilbert Carpenter GRAVE.jpg
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=19637755
Sarah Carpenter
Birth: 1746 <-------- updated to: Exeter, Luzerne County, Pennsylvania, USA
Death: Feb. 22, 1817 <----- updated to: Galena, Delaware County, Ohio, USA
Wife of Rev. Gilbert Carpenter
Family links:
Spouse:
Gilbert Carpenter*
Children:
Rhoda Carpenter (1778 - 1815)*
*Calculated relationship
Burial:
Galena Cemetery
Galena
Delaware County
Ohio, USA
Created by: Justin Overby
Record added: May 31, 2007
Find A Grave Memorial# 19637755
1664.
Nathaniel Cooley Carpenter
Number 8382 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 787.
No family listed. Died young?
Nancy London A Widow
NAME: Listed as Nancy Lanon in the IGI as wife to Gilbert Carpenter, parents of William Carpenter.
529.
Benjamin Carpenter
Number 354 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 90
Family on page 164 (#156)
See very detailed note on page 835 and 836.
He spent time in Kingston, PA before moving to OH.
NOTE:
WILKES BARRE GAZETTE & LUZERNE ADVERTISER.
TUESDAY PUBLICATION.
PUBLISHED BY - JOSIAH WRIGHT.
WILKES BARRE, LUZERNE CO., PA.
http://wyomingpa.freeservers.com/WBG1797.html
2 July 1799
Election - Held by a number of inhabitants of Luzerne Co. at the house of
Philip MYERS, Kingston, June 19th to fix on a person to be elected to the
Chief Executive Office of PA at the ensuing election.- Col. John JENKINS was
elected Chairman and Nathan PALMER, Esq., Secretary. Resolved - That Matthias
HOLLENBACK Esq., Benjamin CARPENTER Esq., Col. Robert FAULKNER, Col. John
JENKINS, Jacob HART, Capt. Ira STEVENS and Zebulon MARCY be committee to
correspond with the general Republican Committee of Philadelphia and others.
18 Feb. 1800
To be sold on the 29th inst., at the house of Philip MYERS, Kingston, all the
public lands of said town, to the highest and best bidder, in different lots.
The vendue will begin at ten o'clock, where conditions of sale will be made
known and attendance given by: Oliver BIGALOW, Oliver PETTIBONE, Benjamin
CARPENTER, Committee.
9 Sept 1800 Election. Republicans of Luzerne Co. met at the Courthouse in
Wilkesbarre, on 5th inst. to form a ticket for the ensuing election.
Lawrence MYERS and John P. SCHOOT, Esqrs. were nominated to the chair.
The house dividing, it appeared that Lawrence MYERS, Esq. was duly chosen and
Ben. PERRY was nominated chairman and unanimously chosen: upon which Benjamin
CARPENTER made proclamation that the Democratic Republicans should withdraw,
this being done, the Federal Republicans, which were considerably the largest
number, remained at the courthouse whereupon:
Resolved that this meeting would support and recommend to the Free electors
of Luzerne County at the ensuing election:
Rosewell WELLES, Esq. - Representative in Congress from Berks and Luzerne
District
Gen. Lord BUTLER - State Senator for Northumberland, Luzerne, Mifflin and
Luzerne District
John FRANKLIN, Esq. - Representative in State Legislature of Luzerne County
Committed for Correspondence:
Ebenezer BOWMAN, Esq.
Lawrence MYERS, Esq.
Jesse FELL, Esq.
Col. George P. RANSOM
Capt. Jonas BRUSH
Election at a large meeting of the Republican Citizens, held by adjournment
at the house of Naphtali HURLBUT, Wilkesbarre on Sept. 5th.:
Matthias HOLLENBACK, Esq., Chair and Josiah WRIGHT, Secretary.
Will support:
James HARRIS, Esq., of Centre Co. as State Senator for the District which
Luzerne Co. is part
John JENKINS - Representative in State Legislature for Luzerne County
Benjamin CARPENTER, Esq., for Luzerne County Commissioner.
26 Jan. 1801
Appointments for Justices of the Peace by the Governor, on 20 Dec. 1800:
Benjamin CARPENTER, Kingston.
Zebulon MARCEY, Tunkhannock.
George WELLES, Tioga.
Wm. MEANS, Tioga.
John MARCEY, Willingborough.
Tho's TIFFANY, Willingsborough.
22 Feb. 1802
All persons indebted to the subscriber for Ferriages, or in any other way,
are requested to make immediate payment, as he is about to remove from the
Ferry. Those who neglect to settle by the 20th February, may expect to have
to settle with Benjamin CARPENTER, Esq. after that time. Henry HUTCHINS,
Exeter.
7 Feb. 1803
List of Titles in Pittstown Township - See Nov. 15, 1802 for further
information on Certificates being issued. (See p. 2-1-t which includes lot
numbers and acres of each)
Benjamin CARPENTER. (NOTE A VERY LONG LIST OF NAMES.)
1802 Luzerne Co. Statement (See p. 3-4-t)
William & John STARK vs Thomas SPAFFORD (Luzerne Co., ss. Domestic
Attachment, returnable to November Term, A. D. 1802)
We the Subscribers being appointed Auditors in the above cause, by the court
aforesaid, do hereby give public notice to the creditors of the above Thomas
SPAFFORD, that they present their accounts and demands properly attested to
the subscribers, at the house of Ambrose DIXON in the township of
Tunkhannock, on the 30th day of the ensuing March, at ten o'clock in the
forenoon, in order that the same may be audited and adjusted according to
law, and the rule of the said Court made in the aforesaid cause. Benjamin
CARPENTER, James SUTTON and James SCOVELL.
14 March 1803
Address to the Connecticut Settlers out of the Seventeen Townships and also
the Pennsylvania Claimants in Luzerne County. See p. 2 for letter. Signed:
Benjamin CARPENTER (NOTE A LONG LIST OF NAMES)
Benjamin CARPENTER jun.
E-MAIL:
From: Bill Mickey bmickey@tulsaconnect.com
To: jrcrin001@cox.net
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 9:10 PM
Subject: Connecting Hester Carpenter to her proper family tree
John,
It has been suggested that I contact you as being very knowledgeable about the various Carpenter genealogies.
I'm trying to establish whether my assumptions about my ggg grandmother, Hester Carpenter, are correct or flawed. I have a chain of logic that I haven't been able to disprove, but some of the connections are still circumstantial.
Two of Hester's children with Elizur Deming were named for James Carpenter and Benjamin Owen. (Anning Owen was a brother-in-law of Benjamin, and a well-respected leader in Luzerne County at the time of Benjamin Owen Carpenter's birth)
Hester's siblings, except for Elizabeth, all came to Lafayette, Tippecanoe, Indiana, and in various ways proved their presence in the community and their connection to Hester.
Benjamin Carpenter of Sunbury (adjacent to Galena), Delaware, Ohio, lists a wife, not named, and his children James, Elizabeth, Benjamin, Robert, Lolla (Sally?), Polla (also named as Mary) and Charles in his will, dated 1820, recorded in 1823. The children are presumably listed in birth order.
SEE: 11788.doc attached
James Carpenter of Galena, Delaware, Ohio, lists his wife Betsey, and his sons as Benjamin O(wen) and John and his daughters as Esther, Eliza, Harriet, and Mary in his will. The will was dated October of 1821, and recorded in 1823.
This is the son of Benjamin of Sunbury
SEE: 11788.doc attached
Both Benjamin Carpenter Jr. and James Carpenter are listed as living in close proximity to Benjamin in Luzerne County.
In many articles it is recorded that Benjamin Carpenter and his family moved to Delaware County Ohio, along with his brother Gilbert and Gilbert's family around 1809 from Luzerne County, Pennsylvania.
Elizabeth Hewitt was born in 1779 in Kingston, Luzerne Cnty, Pennsylvania. In March of 1798 in Goshen, she married James Carpenter of Goshen, Orange Cnty, New York. They both died in Delaware County, Ohio, he in 1821, she in 1837.
Elizabeth was the posthumous child of Dethic Hewitt, who was killed in the July 3, 1778 Wyoming Massacre. Many of the survivors escaped to Goshen, New York, and the traffic between the two areas was frequent and common. Many marriages seem to have arisen from the contact between the two communities.
The information on Hester and her siblings back to James and his will is very firm. The abstract of Benjamin's will is firm. What I have not yet established is that the James of the James Carpenter will is the same James Carpenter of Benjamin's will.
Do you have any information in your records that could clear this up? And would you be willing to share it with me? I'd be very grateful.
Betsy Mickey
ARTICLE: images - NOTE: This article seems to indicate death in 1815 and not 1823.
http://bigwalnuthistory.org/Local_History/CarpenterBenjamin/Life.htm
Judge Benjamin Carpenter (1750-1815)
(picture of a mosiac with image of Benjamin Carpenter and dats 1750-1815)
This mosiac is on the ceiling of the Courthouse in Wilkes-Barre, PA.
Benjamin Carpenter born Jan. 20, 1750 in Orange County, New York. During the American Revolution he served as a Lieutenant in 10th Regiment of Pennsylvania and was in Battle of Wyoming, July 3, 1778. What we know of his life has been documented by Ruth Truxall in From Then Till Now: Methodism in Sunbury, Ohio 1811-1964.
It is not know exactly when Judge Benjamin Carpenter of Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, came to Ohio. He may have been one of the original settlers who came through with Moses Byxbe. Benjamin purchased land north of future Sunbury in July 2,1806, signing a Mortgage Deed to Moses Byxbe (recorded in Deeds from Franklin, Ross and Fairfield Counties, page 320). This land was just north of Sunbury on St. Rt. 61.
His house was west of the road and his barn on the east side. Circuit riders used his barn to hold services. The frame house at 1221 St. Rt. 61 was replaced by a brick house when Ray McDannald purchased the property.
Photo by Ron Bryant (picture of old house and trees)
Art Culver, who owned the property in 1964 described the barn as a 40 x 30 foot structure with log rafters and pine siding, tongued and grooved. The historic barn burned in 1939. There is a stone marker to locate the place.
Two of Benjamin’s brothers, who also settled in central Ohio, Gilbert and Samuel were still in Pennsylvania when Benjamin wrote this letter to his children in Ohio while he and his wife Polly visited their former homes in Luzerne County, PA, and Orange County, NY.
The spelling is copied from the original letter owned by Mrs. Hubert Pinney and shown here as it is written in Truxall's book -
"Benjamin Carpenter, Esquire
Byxbe’s Settlement Sunbury Township
Delaware County Ohio
“Mr. Taylor Inkeeper at Zancesville
"Sir pleas to hand this to some one that may give it safe and
speedy conveyance
“Yours BC”
"Dear and Loving Children
“I am at a loss for words to express my solicitude for your happiness and the enjoyment of your company again and the rest of our friends and good neighbors in the state of Ohio. Believing that you will be pleased with hearing your Dadda and Mamma are well, it is a pleasure to us next to seeing you to tell you so -- We are well – and so are all our friends living here and in New York.
* * * * *
“Our visit was unexpected especially in the state of New York. Figure to yourself how a people would feel should a bespectacled old friend rise again from the dead: No Business was done for 2 weeks: joy and feasting filled up each happy Day. . . . .
“I appoint no time when to be home but as soon as I can: do not delay any team work till my return You will try to hyer horses or oxen John Ousterhaut will not be there – he has bought of Justice Jones Doctor Skeel: John Wjitlock and a Doctor Whitney who married Betsay Dorance will be there early in the spring.
* * * * *
“Yours Effectionate
father and Mother
“B Carpenter
“P Carpenter
“To James & others
Our children
“Kingston March 21st 1809”
His brother Gilbert Carpenter moved to Zoar – now Galena while Samuel Carpenter settled in what would become St. Albans Township (Alexandria) in Licking County, Ohio. All three men were devout Methodist and welcomed circuit riders onto their properties which eventually led to the formation of churches.
Judge Benjamin Carpenter’s barn was on the Delaware circuit. Later the Galena circuit served this community until 1916 when they began sharing a minister with Berkshire Methodist Church. See more about this in the history of the Sunbury Methodist Church.
Documents in the courthouse from 1809 show he was one of the Associate Judges of the Court of Common Pleas of Delaware County, Ohio.
Benjamin and Polly Carpenter are buried in Galena Cemetery as is brother Gilbert and his wife.
Photo by Lenny Lepola (cemetery marker)
Return to Soldiers of American Revolution
Return to Sunbury United Methodist Church
Return to Local History Index
(5-27-2007)
CENSUS: 1808 Ohio State Census - tax list
Name: Benjamin Carpenter
State: OH
County: Franklin County <-------- Delaware County is created in late 1808 from Franklin County.
Township: Mixed Townships
Year: 1808
Record Type: Tax List
Page: 005
Database: OH Early Census Index
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Ohio, Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index, 1790-1890 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999.
Original data: Jackson, Ronald V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp.. Ohio Census, 1790-1890. Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.
CENSUS: 1810 Ohio State Census - tax list
Name: Benjamin Carpenter
State: OH
County: Delaware County
Township: No Township Listed
Year: 1810
Record Type: Tax list
Page: 011
Database: OH 1810 Washington Co. Census Index
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Ohio, Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index, 1790-1890 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999.
Original data: Jackson, Ronald V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp.. Ohio Census, 1790-1890. Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.
CENSUS: 1820 US Census
Name: Benjamin Carpenter
Home in 1820 (City, County, State): Sunbury, Delaware, Ohio
Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 15: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over : 1
Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture: 2
Free White Persons - Under 16: 1
Free White Persons - Over 25: 5
Total Free White Persons: 7
Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 7
Source Citation
1820 U S Census; Census Place: Sunbury, Delaware, Ohio; Page: 223; NARA Roll: M33_89; Image: 129
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1820 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Fourth Census of the United States, 1820. (NARA microfilm publication M33, 142 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
GRAVE: - See images: RIN 11788 Benjamin Carpenter GRAVE.jpg & RIN 11788 Benjamin Carpenter GRAVE.jpg
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=19564575
Lieut Benjamin Carpenter
Birth: Jan. 20, 1750
Orange County New York, USA
Death: Sep. 27, 1823
Berkshire Delaware County Ohio, USA
Revolutionary War veteran.
Served in 10th Regiment, Pennsylvania.
Served in Battle of Wyoming, July 3, 1778.
Emigrated to Berkshire, OH from PA in 1808.
Burial:
Galena Cemetery
Galena
Delaware County
Ohio, USA
Created by: Justin Overby
Record added: May 28, 2007
Find A Grave Memorial# 19564575
UPDATE: images
Lieut Benjamin Carpenter
Birth: 20 Jan 1750 Orange County, New York, USA
Death: 27 Sep 1823 (aged 73) Berkshire, Delaware County, Ohio, USA
Burial: Galena Cemetery, Galena, Delaware County, Ohio, USA
Memorial #: 19564575
Bio:
Revolutionary War veteran.
Served in 10th Regiment, Pennsylvania.
Served in Battle of Wyoming, July 3, 1778.
Emigrated to Berkshire, OH from PA in 1808.
Family Members
Children
Benjamin Carpenter Unknown-1849
James Carpenter 1773-1821
Robert Carpenter 1784-1851
Sarah Carpenter Brown 1793-1865
Created by: Justin Overby (46893833)
Added: 28 May 2007
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/19564575/benjamin-carpenter
Citation: Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 23 February 2020), memorial page for Lieut Benjamin Carpenter (20 Jan 1750–27 Sep 1823), Find A Grave Memorial no. 19564575, citing Galena Cemetery, Galena, Delaware County, Ohio, USA ; Maintained by Justin Overby (contributor 46893833) .
Mary Hester "Polly" Ferrier
NAME: FARRIER or FERRIER. FERRIER probably correct.
Her name was Mary but she went by Polly. Middle name Hester, but not confirmed.
BOOK: THOMAS FERRIER AND SOME OF HIS DESCENDANTS. By Elizabeth Ferrier Lane.
56 pages, indexed. Originally published at Elkhorn, Wisconsin, 1906.
This genealogy traces the descendants of Thomas Ferrier, who was born in
Ireland in 1705 and died in Orange County NY in 1792. He married Hester
Lucky, and they raised at least four children to adulthood: Mary Hester
(Ferrier) Carpenter, Jane (Ferrier) Owen, Sarah (Ferrier) Perkins and Robert
Ferrier who married Mary Wilcox. The main allied families include: Atherton,
Bailey, Burt, Carpenter, Carr, Conklin, Denison, Goldin, Grier, Hancock,
Jackson, Lance, Nanny, Stites, Vanderoef, Wheeler, and Wisner.
SEE:
http://www.genealogy.org/~ajmorris/catalog/0028.htm
GRAVE: - See images: RIN 11788 Mary Ferrier Carpenter GRAVE.jpg
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=19564616
Polly Carpenter
Birth: 1752
Death: Mar. 11, 1836
Consort of Benjamin Carpenter
Burial:
Galena Cemetery
Galena
Delaware County
Ohio, USA
Created by: Justin Overby
Record added: May 28, 2007
Find A Grave Memorial# 19564616
1668.
Elizabeth Carpenter
AKA "Lizzie" or "Betsey" or "Kitty".
SEE page 836 of the Carpenter Memorial.
Number 1021 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 164
WILKES BARRE GAZETTE & LUZERNE ADVERTISER.
TUESDAY PUBLICATION.
PUBLISHED BY - JOSIAH WRIGHT.
WILKES BARRE, LUZERNE CO., PA.
http://wyomingpa.freeservers.com/WBG1797.html
12 Dec. 1797
Jacob BEDFORD to Miss Kitty, eldest dau. of B. CARPENTER, Esq., of Kingston,
married on Thursday evening last, by Lawrence MYERS, Esq.
(DETAILS FIT - SAME PERSON??? PROBABLY!!! SEE BROTHER JAMES)
2 Oct. 1798
Jacob BEDFORD, is erecting a Fulling Mill at Carpenter's Mills, Kingston.
22 Feb. 1802
Lazarus DENISON married to Miss Betsey CARPENTER, both of Kingston, on Sunday
evening the 14th inst.
1672.
Sarah "Sally" Carpenter
Number 1024 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 164
1673.
Polly or Mary Carpenter
Number 1025 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 164
Is he thinking of this Mary Carpenter? Her father moved to PA!
Subject: Mary Carpenter Date: Wed, 26 May 1999.
From: Gene Perkins
To: "John R. Carpenter"
John,
I'm hoping you can help on Mary Carpenter who was my wife's
g-g-g-grandmother. Mary has been a "brickwall" for us for some years.
MARY CARPENTER was born October 07, 1797 in Pennsylvania, and died
September 05, 1852;
(source: Horace F. Tussey's list; Horace copied info from family
bibles.)
Mary married HURLBUT SCOVELL June 29, 1815 at unknown,
son of MOSES SCOVELL and RACHEL BAKER (both parents born New London, CT;
both died Johnstown, Licking Co, OH).
The John Scoville book by Brainard states the following on page 274:
"Hurlburt Scovel was born about 1792 at Exeter township, PA.
He was living at Granville, Ohio, in 1868 (Old Northwest Quarterly, vol 8,
page 315).
Another source says he lived at Galena, Ohio.
Mary's daughter Harriet Scoville was born at Galena, Delaware Co, Ohio on
20 Aug 1823.
Harriet married Salmon Noble 22 May 1845 in Delaware Co, Ohio.
This Noble family moved from Simsbury, CT to Franklin Co (adjoins Delaware
Co), OH in 1815.
I don't know whether Mary and Hurlbut were married in PA or OH. But I
suspect it
was in Ohio, since both the Noble and Scovell families moved from CT to OH
in about 1815.
If you do not have any info on Mary Carpenter, perhaps you can provide me
some info
on the Carpenters in Pennsylvania.
Gene_Perkins@compuserve.com.
1674.
Charles Carpenter
SEE page 836 of the Carpenter Memorial
Number 1026 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 164