Group 3 - Descendants of William Carpenter-98-
Father of William Carpenter-584 (b. abt 1605)
Notes
8236.
William Carpenter
NOTE:
A Descendant tested as part of Group 8 of the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project.
NOTE:
Carolyn Spence of Trinity, NC in a letter dated 8 Mar 1999, updated this
line. She believes that the data for this William Carpenter (who is listed
in the Ancestral File as dying on 26 Nov. 1832 in Surry County, NC) is in error.
She says the following Will she found provides information that
William died in 1859 and not 1832.
WILL: Will of William Carpenter from Surry County NC Will book # 5 page 46.
I think this William was the father of Buck Carpenter.
WILL OF WILLIAM CARPENTER (dated) 4 JAN 1859
My body shall be decently buried and my funeral charges and just debts be paid
by executor. My two youngest daughters Nancy Carpenter and Frances Carpenter
get my tract of land whereon I now live divided as follows: Beginning at a
forked pine the west corner of said land, then runs southeast to a white oak
the beginning corner of said tract, the south side of said land and of said
tract I give to my daughter Nancy and the north side together with the mill I
give to my daughter Frances. Also, my daughters Nancy and Frances all my
household and kitchen furniture to be equally divided between them and one cow
each. Son John Carpenter gets my blacksmith tools. The balance of my property
is to be sold and equally divided between all my lawful heirs. Executor:
Frances Carpenter.
Witnesses: Jonathan J. McMickle and Joseph Isaacks. Proved by J J McMickle.
Probate Aug term 1860.
William was last found in the 1850 Surry census with a daughter Frances 19,
Mandy which is probably Nancy mispelled, and a child named Rhudy which was
probably Rhody mispelled. John lived nearby and was already a blacksmith,
indicating to me that John was using his fathers tools, and the Will above gave
the instruments to John outright.
Since a wife was not named in this Will written in 1859, she had died prior to
Jan 1859.
FAMILY: Family data from the Surry County NC census.
CENSUS:1810 Surry Co, NC pg 179 William CARPENTER age 16-25 (1784/94) "10100-10100";
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 1
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25: 1
Number of Household Members Under 16: 2
Number of Household Members: 4
CENSUS:1820 Surry Co, NC pg 762 William CARPENTER age 45+ (bef 1775) "110001-01010";
Home in 1820 (City, County, State): Capt Easleys District, Surry , North Carolina
Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 15: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1
Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture: 2
Free White Persons - Under 16: 3
Free White Persons - Over 25: 2
Total Free White Persons: 5
Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 5
CENSUS:1830 Surry Co, NC pg 145 William CARPENTER age 40-49 (1780/90) "0011001001-2000101";
Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Surry , North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 14: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 15 thru 19: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 40 thru 49: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 70 thru 79: 1
Free White Persons - Females - Under 5: 2
Free White Persons - Females - 20 thru 29: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 40 thru 49: 1
Free White Persons - Under 20: 4
Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 3
Total Free White Persons: 8
Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 8
CENSUS:1840 Surry Co, NC pg 81 William CARPENTER age 50-59 (1780/90) "00000001-00110101";
CENSUS:1850 Surry Co, NC North Division # 737 William CARPENTER, 61 (1788/89) born NC;
This Carpenter Descendancy line updated by Nanalee Wrenn on Tue, 08 Aug 2000
via E-MAIL. Nanalee Wrenn of Advance, NC.
Rhoda Rody
NAME: Unknown if Rody is first or last name.
CENSUS: Surry county NC census Rhoda was a widow, age 73, with Nancy age 28,
Frances age 25, and Columbus age 19. in 1860.
16302.
Rhoda Carpenter
This Carpenter Descendancy line updated by Nanalee Wrenn on Tue, 08 Aug 2000
via E-MAIL. Nanalee Wrenn of Advance, NC.
16308.
Ambrose Carpenter
CENSUS: 1850 US Census
Name: Ambros Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1850
Event Place: Tishomingo county, Tishomingo, Mississippi, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 23
Race: White
Race (Original):
Birth Year (Estimated): 1827
Birthplace: North Carolina
Household ID: 225
House Number: 225
Line Number: 35
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M432
Affiliate Film Number: 382
GS Film Number: 443594
Digital Folder Number: 004200053
Image Number: 00214
Household Gender Age Birthplace
David Gardner M 40 North Carolina
Sarah C Gardner F 25 North Carolina
Francis M Gardner F 6 North Carolina
Anna P Gardner F 5 North Carolina
Charlotte O Gardner F 4 North Carolina
David E A Gardner M 1 Mississippi
Ambros Carpenter M 23 North Carolina
David Nolen M 26 North Carolina
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M4LN-1GJ : accessed 06 Feb 2014), Ambros Carpenter in household of David Gardner, Tishomingo county, Tishomingo, Mississippi, United States; citing dwelling , family 225, NARA microfilm publication , roll .
16309.
Mandy Carpenter
This Carpenter Descendancy line updated by Nanalee Wrenn on Tue, 08 Aug 2000
via E-MAIL. Nanalee Wrenn of Advance, NC.
8237.
Benjamin F. Carpenter
NOTE:
Either James or Benjamin had children who went to KY then IN. Jane born about
1805, Peter born about 1808.
E-MAIL:
Subject: Benjamin CARPENTER - SC (maybe NC?) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999
From: "J. R. Carpenter"
I am looking for any information on Benjamin CARPENTER (born ca 1770-80,
died ca 1836-1840 Dale Co. AL). According to oral tradition in one branch of
descendants, his name was Samson (perhaps Samson was his middle name?).
Benjamin Carpenter married ca 1806 to Milly --?--. They resided in SC ca
1808-1816, in Dale Co. AL in 1830, and bought land on 5 Jan 1836 in Dale Co.
AL. Milly and children resided in Dale Co. AL in 1840 and in Coffee Co. AL
in 1850. No further mention of Benjamin after the land sale that I've seen.
His son, my ancestor, Sampson A. CARPENTER (born ca 1816 in SC), married ca
1838 to Nancy MAYBERRY (born ca 1817 AL). They resided in Coffee Co. AL in
1850 and 1860. There is an established MABRY line in Union Co SC, coming
from Surry Co VA but through the Warren Co area of NC (near Nash Co). My
Nancy may be from a Franklin Co GA branch of the Mabrys.
Benjamin's family may have been in NC before SC, but that is unproven. I
thought at one time that his father was Thomas "Jack" of Nash Co NC, but I
have not been able to prove it. There were some PA Dutch Zimmermans who came
to middle NC in the 1750s, eventually moving south until in Old Tryon Co,
with some of this line being buried as Carpenters in Blacksburg SC. I have
been unable to prove any descent from these people as well.
I have info on Benjamin's descendents, if anyone is interested.
Thanks,
Rick Carpenter.
CENSUS: 1790
Name: Benjamin Carpenter [Benjamen Carpenter]
Home in 1790 (City, County, State): Wake, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - Under 16: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 16 and over: 1 <--- Born 1774 or before - adjustment for 2 males say 4 years say b. 1770 or before
Free White Persons - Females: 1
Number of Household Members: 4
Source Citation
Year: 1790; Census Place: Wake, North Carolina; Series: M637; Roll: 7; Page: 244; Image: 147; Family History Library Film: 0568147
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1790 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: First Census of the United States, 1790 (NARA microfilm publication M637, 12 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
CENSUS: 1800 US Census
Name: Benja Carpenter
Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Hillsborough, Wake, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 3
Free White Persons - Males -10 thru 15: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1 <--- b. 1755 or before
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1
Number of Household Members Under 16: 5
Number of Household Members Over 25: 2
Number of Household Members: 7
Source Citation
Year: 1800; Census Place: Hillsborough, Wake, North Carolina; Series: M32; Roll: 32; Page: 725; Image: 726; Family History Library Film: 337908
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1800 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Second Census of the United States, 1800. NARA microfilm publication M32 (52 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
Second Census of the United States, 1800: Population Schedules, Washington County, Territory Northwest of the River Ohio; and Population Census, 1803: Washington County, Ohio. NARA microfilm publication M1804 (1 roll).
CENSUS: 1810 US Census - two entries - page 788 and 815*
Name: Benjn Carpenter [Benjamin Carpenter]
Home in 1810 (City, County, State): Franklin, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 2 <----- b. abt 1785 to 1794
Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25: 1
Numbers of Slaves: 3 (2)
Number of Household Members: 6
Source Citation
Year: 1810; Census Place: Franklin, North Carolina; Roll: 40; Page: (788) 815; Image: 00186; Family History Library Film: 0337913
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1810 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Third Census of the United States, 1810. (NARA microfilm publication M252, 71 rolls). Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
* I suspect that one of these is enumermated wrong. The reason is we have only two Benjamin Carpenters in the area. One born about 1772 and the other about 1790.
CENSUS: 1850 US Census - living with nephew Churchwell
Name: Benjman F Carpenter
Age: 71
Birth Year: abt 1779
[1839]
[1827]
Birthplace: Alabama
Home in 1850: Southern District, Pickens, Alabama, USA
Gender: Male
Family Number: 753
Household Members:
Name Age
Churchwell Carpenter 48
Belva Carpenter 45
Willy Carpenter 20
Jane Carpenter 18
Ellen Carpenter 16
Mary Carpenter 15
Sydney C Carpenter 13
Benjman F Carpenter 71
Elizabeth Carpenter 24
Joseph Morris 30
Source Citation
Year: 1850; Census Place: Southern District, Pickens, Alabama; Roll: M432_13; Page: 60B; Image: 126
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1850 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2009. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Seventh Census of the United States, 1850; (National Archives Microfilm Publication M432, 1009 rolls); Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29; National Archives, Washington, D.C.
16312.
Jane Carpenter
Was this the Jane Carpenter noted in the 1870 Census of Vernon Precinct,
Christian county, KY in 1870? Page 19. Jane was living with Peter.
8239.
Jesse Carpenter
The Jesse Carpenter who is found in the household of David and Catharine Given
in the 1850 Braxton County census is placed here, but not proven. He is
logically a nephew of Jeremiah, Jesse et cetera. See father's notes.
16314.
Judith Carpenter
Children of Jesse (17) Carpenter, of Solomon (16), of Solomon (15)
1. Judith (18) Carpenter was born circa 1815/1819, died about 1859 and married
16 July 1846 James Salisbury in Braxton County.
NOTE: Marriage dates for this Judith Carpenter and Mary Judith (Miller), a
widow, Carpenter who married James Salisbury are the same. It is possible that
the Judith Carpenter listed here is in error for marriage to James Salisbury.
James Salisbury
NOTE: Marriage dates for Judith Carpenter and Mary Judith (Miller)
Carpenter (a widow) who married James Salisbury are the same.
One may be in error!
8240.
Moses Carpenter
SEE: Carpenter Chronicles Volume 6 1990 - Branch # 15 - page 15-18 submitted by Terry Lee Carpenter.
Moses farmed in Jackson county AL and in Tishomingo county MS. It is not known where he died. It is believed he died after 1850 but this is uncertain.
Sources for his family include: Family Bible, Census Records, Marriage Records of KY and MS.
PARENTAGE:
Really unknown. But once believed, but always questioned, with parents Solomon Carpenter-31373 of Botetourt County, VA and Lucretia Prentice who went to Tishomingo County, MS. But Y-DNA testing indicates that some children are from Group 2 and others are not. See Group 35 of the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project for example.
BIRTH: SC per 1850 US Cenus
CENSUS: 1850 US Census - See image: RIN 65976 Moses Carpenter 1850.jpg - Son Sam on same page.
Name: Mory Carpenter ---------> Closer to Moses than Mory
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1850
Event Place: Tishomingo county, Tishomingo, Mississippi, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 57
Marital Status:
Race (Original):
Race:
Birthplace: South Carolina
Birth Year (Estimated): 1793
House Number: 347
Family Number: 347
Line Number: 27
Affiliate Publication Number: M432
Affiliate Film Number: 382
GS Film number: 443594
Digital Folder Number: 004200053
Image Number: 00056
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Mory Carpenter M 57 South Carolina
Levina Carpenter F 52 Kentucky
Solomon Carpenter M 23 Alabama
Moses Carpenter M 18 Alabama
Joshua Carpenter M 10 Alabama
Wm Freeze M 21 Tennessee
Lucretia Freeze F 19 Alabama
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M4LN-BSR : accessed 16 Jul 2013), Mory Carpenter, 1850.
NOTE:
Adjacent on the census page is the family of Sam Carpenter 30 m b. AL - his son.
NOTE: Moses Carpenter
Compact Disc #19 Pin #673575 Sex: M
Event(s): Birth: abt 1793 Place: Scar,Kentucky
Death: Deceased Place: Tishomingo,Mississippi
Parents:
Father: Soloman Carpenter Disc #19 Pin #674060 (SEE A)
Marriage(s):
Spouse: Lavina West Disc #19 Pin #673488
Marriage: 26 Feb 1816 Place: Wayne,Kentucky
Notes and Sources:
Notes: Available on CD-ROM Disc# 19
Sources: None
Submitter:
Mark MURPHY
104 Doublehorn Stephenville, TX 76401
****************************************
(A)
Soloman Carpenter
Compact Disc #19 Pin #674060 Sex: M
Event(s):
Birth: 1770 Place: ,,Virginia,Usa
Parents:
Father: George Carpenter Sr Disc #19 Pin #673219 (SEE B)
Mother: Anna Shutley Disc #19 Pin #673133
******************************************
(B)
George Carpenter Sr
Compact Disc #19 Pin #673219 Sex: M
Event(s):
Parents:
Marriage(s):
Spouse: Anna Shutley Disc #19 Pin #673133
Marriage: Place:
******************************
PLEASE NOTE THAT MARK MURPHY HAS THE FATHER OF SOLOMON WRONG.
Terry Lee Carpenter wrote, "This Moses is my ancestor, and there is no connection to George
Carpenter Sr. who married Anna Schulteli (Shutley) -- in fact, George Carpenter Sr. died in service in the Revolutionary War some 15 years before Moses Carpenter was born!!!"
Lavina West
Maybe the second wife?
16316.
John Carpenter
DEATH:
Died after 1860.
MARRIAGE:
Married by 1840, possibly in AL. They had several children, but none lived past childhood.
CENSUS: 1840 US Census - See: RIN 66005 Daniel Carpenter 1840.jpg
Name: John Carpenter
Event Place: Not Stated, Tishomingo, Mississippi
Page Number: 214
Affiliate Publication Number: M704
Affiliate Film Number: 219
GS Film number: 0014842
Digital Folder Number: 004409677
Image Number: 00435
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1840," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHTX-GWZ : accessed 06 Feb 2014), John Carpenter, 1840.
NOTE: William, Daniel and John are next to each other. William & Daniel are probably John's uncles.
John has 1 male 0<5, 1 male 20<30 and 1 female 20<30
CENSUS: 1850 US Census
Name: J Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1850
Event Place: Tishomingo county, Tishomingo, Mississippi, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 38
Race: White
Race (Original):
Birth Year (Estimated): 1812
Birthplace: Alabama
Household ID: 352
House Number: 352
Line Number: 21
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M432
Affiliate Film Number: 382
GS Film Number: 443594
Digital Folder Number: 004200053
Image Number: 00057
Household Gender Age Birthplace
J Carpenter M 38 Alabama
Sarah Carpenter F 30 Alabama
Moses Carpenter M 18 Alabama
Jefferson Carpenter M 15 Alabama
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M4LJ-QY8 : accessed 06 Feb 2014), J Carpenter, Tishomingo county, Tishomingo, Mississippi, United States; citing dwelling , family 352, NARA microfilm publication , roll .
CENSUS: 1860 US Census
Sarah Elizabeth
STEP-MOTHER or MOTHER to Moses & Jefferson?
16319.
Susannah Carpenter
DEATH:Died after 1850.
MARRIAGE: 1845
Name: Hickman Lambert
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Susanah Carpenter
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 01 Jan 1845
Event Place: Tishomingo,Mississippi
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race (Original):
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race (Original):
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M51671-1
System Origin: Mississippi-ODM
GS Film number: 895943
Reference ID:
Citing this Record:
"Mississippi, Marriages, 1800-1911," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V28J-TZD : accessed 06 Feb 2014), Hickman Lambert and Susanah Carpenter, 1845.
16320.
Lucretia Carpenter
DEATH:Died after 1850.
William Freeze
MARRIAGE:
Name: W. Freeze
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Lucretia Carpenter
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 19 Nov 1849
Event Place: Tishomingo,Mississippi
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race (Original):
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race (Original):
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M51671-1
System Origin: Mississippi-ODM
GS Film number: 895943
Reference ID:
Citing this Record:
"Mississippi, Marriages, 1800-1911," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V28K-7YL : accessed 06 Feb 2014), W. Freeze and Lucretia Carpenter, 1849.
16321.
Moses Carpenter
CENSUS: 1850 US Census - with parents? OR with his brother?
Name: Moses Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1850
Event Place: Tishomingo county, Tishomingo, Mississippi, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 18
Race: White
Race (Original):
Birth Year (Estimated): 1832
Birthplace: Alabama
Household ID: 352
House Number: 352
Line Number: 23
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M432
Affiliate Film Number: 382
GS Film Number: 443594
Digital Folder Number: 004200053
Image Number: 00057
Household Gender Age Birthplace
J Carpenter M 38 Alabama <--------- John
Sarah Carpenter F 30 Alabama
Moses Carpenter M 18 Alabama <---------- brother to John ?
Jefferson Carpenter M 15 Alabama <---------- brother to John ?
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M4LJ-QY6 : accessed 06 Feb 2014), Moses Carpenter in household of J Carpenter, Tishomingo county, Tishomingo, Mississippi, United States; citing dwelling , family 352, NARA microfilm publication , roll .
NOTE:
On the previous census page is household 546:
Sam Carpenter 50 M AL
Lucinda 24 F TN
Lucinda 7 F MS
John 5 M MS
Elizabeth 3 F MS
Caroline 2 F MS
Then next house hold ...
Mary? (Man i?) Carpenter 57 M SC
Lovina 52 F KY
Solomon 23 M AL
Moses 18 M AL
Joshua 10 M AL
William Freeze 4 M TN
Lucretia 19 F AL
MARRIAGE:
Name: Moses Carpenter
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Sarah Willis
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 08 Feb 1852
Event Place: Tishomingo,Mississippi
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race (Original):
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race (Original):
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M51671-2
System Origin: Mississippi-ODM
GS Film number: 895944
Reference ID:
Citing this Record:
"Mississippi, Marriages, 1800-1911," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V28K-68J : accessed 06 Feb 2014), Moses Carpenter and Sarah Willis, 1852.
CENSUS: 1860 US Census
DEATH: Died during Civil War. He was a Confederate cavalryman, and died a POW in a Union prison.
CSA Soldier in the War between the States (Civil War).
8241.
Daniel or David "Dan" Carpenter
CENSUS: 1840 US Census - See: RIN 66005 Daniel Carpenter 1840.jpg
Name: Daniel Carpenter
Event Place: Not Stated, Tishomingo, Mississippi
Page Number: 214
Affiliate Publication Number: M704
Affiliate Film Number: 219
GS Film number: 0014842
Digital Folder Number: 004409677
Image Number: 00435
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1840," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHTX-GWZ : accessed 06 Feb 2014), John Carpenter, 1840.
Living next door to each other is Daniel, William & John. By ages, John is the nephew.
CENSUS: 1850 US Census - on same page as brother William - See: RIN 138955 William Carpenter 1850.jpg
Name: David Carpenter ------> Looks like Daniel to me on Census image.
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1850
Event Place: Tishomingo county, Tishomingo, Mississippi, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 50
Marital Status:
Race (Original):
Race:
Birthplace: Tennessee
Birth Year (Estimated): 1800
House Number: 394
Family Number: 394
Line Number: 13
Affiliate Publication Number: M432
Affiliate Film Number: 382
GS Film number: 443594
Digital Folder Number: 004200053
Image Number: 00063
Household Gender Age Birthplace
David Carpenter M 50 Tennessee
Martha Carpenter F 43 Kentucky
Elizabeth Carpenter F 14 Tennessee
Solomon Carpenter M 13 Mississippi
Thomas Carpenter M 11 Mississippi
Lucretia Carpenter F 6 Mississippi
Eliza Carpenter F 2 Mississippi
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M4LJ-YGW : accessed 16 Jul 2013), David Carpenter, 1850.
SEE: Carpenter Chronicles Volume 6 1990 - Branch # 15 - page 15-18 submitted by Terry Lee Carpenter.
Other than Elijah C. Carpenter was the son of Daniel and Matha (Marlar) Carpenter, no other ancestry is given.
This family was Baptist and Daniel farmed in Old Tishomingo, now Prentiss county, MS.
Sources for his family include: Family Bible, Census Records, Marriage Records of Tishomingo, Alcorn and Prentiss counties, MS.
Terry Lee Carpenter states: "Please correct the line to show that neither Moses Carpenter nor Daniel Carpenter has a proven parent, and Allen Marlar is not proved to be the father of Martha Marlar."
While Terry Lee believes this line ties into the Solomon Carpenter line he has not proven the connection.
E-MAIL: ----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Carpenter"
To:
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: FTDNA test ...
John,
I can comment on 5853, which is of great importance to me -- it is me. The line as shown on the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA project web page is:
** Nathaniel Carpenter-625 b. 1668/1669
***Joseph C. Carpenter-5312 b. 1693
**** Solomon Carpenter-5330 b. 1714/1720
***** Solomon Carpenter, Jr.-31373 b. 1745/1750
****** Unknown Carpenter-65975 b. 1784
******* Daniel Carpenter- 66005 b. 1810
******** Elijah Carpenter-66004 b. 1847
********* Walter Carpenter-66030 b. 1886
********** Alive
*********** FTDNA Kit # 5853
I would "correct" the above to this:
** ?Nathaniel Carpenter-625 b. c1668-1669
*** ?Joseph Carpenter-5312 b. c1693
**** ?Solomon Carpenter-5330 b. c1714-1720
***** ?Solomon Carpenter, Jr.-31373 b. c1745-1750
****** Daniel Carpenter- 66005 b. c1800
******* Elijah C. Carpenter-66004 b. 1847
******** Walter L. Carpenter-66030 b. 1886
********* Warner H. Carpenter b. 1921
*********** FTDNA Kit # 5853
This shows where there is conjecture about the line, removes the middle initial C. from Joseph
Carpenter-5312, and removes the Unknown Carpenter-65975 born c1784. Joseph Carpenter-5312 did
not have a middle name that is documented anywhere in original records - the attribution of the middle name
Coles to this Joseph is an error that first appeared in print in the 1980s and has been propagated by rote
copying. Unknown Carpenter-65975 is removed because there doesn't appear to be an additional generation
between Solomon Jr. and Daniel. Solomon Jr. married comparatively late in life by the standards of the day
- he was approximately 30-34 years of age at his marriage in 1784 - so Daniel would have been born at
about the 16 year point in the marriage, which would place him as the 6th to 8th child (estimating a child
was born an average of every 2.5 years to a married couple in those days). This is within expected norms
for that era and location.
The reason "correct" is in quotes is because I cannot prove this line is indeed correct. We have an
excellent oral family tradition and some circumstantial evidence supports the line as shown,
however, it remains unproved. The only truly certain facts are these:
- Joseph Carpenter-5312 came from New York colony to western VA in about 1748. However, his parentage is
speculative, not proved, though some circumstantial evidence supports the possibility that Nathaniel
Carpenter-625 was his father. I am doubtful of this connection. If you dig into the documentation of the
reputed connection, there is almost nothing there but unsupported statements dating back into the 1970s.
This gets into more than I can explain in a short space - it would take several pages to discuss the
details of this one proposed link in the lineage.
This is one reason the Y-DNA study has been of such great interest to me.
- The first certain link in this line, i.e., one for which I have indisputable documentation, is the
father-son link between Daniel and Elijah. From there on back, there is significant doubt for discussion.
The link between Joseph and Solomon Sr. is another one I am highly doubtful of - there is significant
evidence that Solomon Sr. was a brother of Joseph Sr., rather than a son, and the suffix "Sr." was due to his
being older than a coexistent Solomon. For details on this, see the paper Raquel Carpenter Sonnenberg and I
authored, which is on the CE CD. This paper was based on independent professional research done by a
respected genealogist whom we hired to research the line, as a result of a long-standing disagreement
between me and pretty much everybody else (including Raquel's father who was a family historian) over the
reliability of past interpretations. The independent professional agreed with me - the line is most likely
not as it has been represented for the past 30+ years. Exactly how it should be pieced together is still in
question - and Y-DNA results are crucial to resolving that question.
I am still very actively researching my line, but have not made a lot of progress in the past 10 years
because very little new data has come to light. Part of the problem is a lack of data - Daniel and his
father Solomon Carpenter lived so far out on the fringe of the frontier that there are almost no
institutional records, and all the family has to go on is oral tradition - no family Bible or other written
evidence has yet been uncovered. The repetition of common names, particularly Solomon and Joseph, has
made sorting out the lines very difficult. Recruiting more people to join the Y-DNA project is also
important - one may match my line closely and give me a vector to follow.
I have also been accumulating records of the southeastern NY families, in particular Nathaniel
Carpenter-625. Once I have enough to start delineating family groups, I hope to find out whether
Joseph Carpenter-5312 was related to Nathaniel or not. There is a much longer story, but I've already gone on
too much - suffice it to say that now that I have seen the Y-DNA profiles, I believe my line has a more
distant relationship to the Providence line than previously believed. How to present this is now the
question, and I would appreciate your feedback based on your expert knowledge of what the Y-DNA data
indicates. I have no problem with my profile being removed from the group it's currently in, and if the
lineage should be abbreviated to stop with Daniel Carpenter- 66005, that is alright with me too.
Accuracy is my foremost concern. Regards, Terry
Martha "Patsey" Marlar
PARENTS: Martha "d/o Mary and poss. an ?Allen? Marlar."
NAME: Per son death record, mother's name is Patsey Marlow.
16325.
Silas Carpenter
MARRIAGE:
Name: Silas Carpenter
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Pacience Grabls
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 15 Dec 1849 ----------------> CONFLICTS with 13 Mar 1849 previously given!
Event Place: Tishomingo,Mississippi
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race (Original):
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race (Original):
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M51671-1
System Origin: Mississippi-ODM
GS Film number: 895943
Reference ID:
Citing this Record:
"Mississippi, Marriages, 1800-1911," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V28G-NQY : accessed 06 Feb 2014), Silas Carpenter and Pacience Grabls, 1849.
CENSUS: 1850 US Census
Name: Silas Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1850
Event Place: Tishomingo county, Tishomingo, Mississippi, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Race: White
Race (Original):
Birth Year (Estimated): 1829
Birthplace: Alabama
Household ID: 128
House Number: 128
Line Number: 16
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M432
Affiliate Film Number: 382
GS Film Number: 443594
Digital Folder Number: 004200053
Image Number: 00025
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Silas Carpenter M 21 Alabama
Patience Carpenter F 18 Alabama
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M4LN-LVP : accessed 06 Feb 2014), Silas Carpenter, Tishomingo county, Tishomingo, Mississippi, United States; citing dwelling , family 128, NARA microfilm publication , roll .
DEATH: Died after 1870.
He may have had a son named John (b. 1872 d. c. 1910-1920) who had Joshua Paul Carpenter (b. 1899 d. 1932) who had Silas Daniel Carpenter (b. 1929 alive Nov 2003) This per TLC.
William C. Hardin
MARRIAGE: 1856
Name: William C. Hardin
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Carpenter
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 07 Apr 1856
Event Place: Tishomingo,Mississippi
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race (Original):
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race (Original):
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M51671-3
System Origin: Mississippi-ODM
GS Film number: 895945
Reference ID:
Citing this Record:
"Mississippi, Marriages, 1800-1911," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V28V-XPB : accessed 06 Feb 2014), William C. Hardin and Elizabeth Carpenter, 1856.
16330.
Lucretia Carpenter
She did not marry.
8242.
William Carpenter
NAME: No evidence for middle name Ryle or R. in any of the Census records yet found. Middle name may be Ryle, but it would be nice to have a document with it so named. It may be an oral tradition, but that does not make it right until proven. The same goes for the middle name of Shook.
William Carpenter Compact Disc #70 Pin #948120
William Carpenter Compact Disc #138 Pin #2619520
MARRIAGE: 1826
Name: William Carpenter
Spouse: Elizabeth Marter
Marriage Date: 19 Nov 1826
County: Blount
State: Alabama
Performed By Title: Justice of the Peace
Performed by Name: F Weeden
Source information: Jordan Dodd, Liahona Research
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Alabama, Marriage Index, 1800-1969 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006.
Original data:
Alabama Center for Health Statistics. Alabama Marriage Index, 1936-1969. Alabama Center for Health Statistics, Montgomery, Alabama.
Dodd, Jordan R., et. al. Early American Marriages: Alabama to 1825. Bountiful, UT: Precision Indexing Publishers, 19xx.
Hunting For Bears, comp. Alabama marriage information taken from county courthouse records. Many of these records were extracted from copies of the original records in microfilm, microfiche, or book format, located at the Family History Library.
Dodd, Jordan R., comp. Early American Marriages: Alabama, 1800 to 1920.
CENSUS: 1840 US Census - See: RIN 66005 Daniel Carpenter 1840.jpg
Name: William Carpenter
Event Place: Not Stated, Tishomingo, Mississippi
Page Number: 214
Affiliate Publication Number: M704
Affiliate Film Number: 219
GS Film number: 0014842
Digital Folder Number: 004409677
Image Number: 00435
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1840," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHTX-GWZ : accessed 06 Feb 2014), John Carpenter, 1840.
Living next door to each other is Daniel, William & John. By ages, John is the nephew.
CENSUS: 1850 US Census - See image: RIN 138955 William Carpenter 1850.jpg
United States Census, 1850
Name: W Carpenter
Residence: Tishomingo county, Tishomingo, Mississippi
Age: 46 years
Calculated Birth Year: 1804
Birthplace: Kentucky
Gender: Male
Race (original):
Race (expanded):
Death Month:
Death Year:
Film Number: 443594
Digital GS Number: 4200053
Image Number: 00063
Line Number: 3
Dwelling House Number: 393
Family Number: 393
Marital Status: married
Free or Slave:
Household Gender Age
W Carpenter M 46y
Elizabeth Carpenter F 39y
Reuben Carpenter M 19y
George Carpenter M 16y
William Carpenter M 12y
Elizabeth Carpenter F 8y
Mary Carpenter F 6y
John Carpenter M 5y
Joshua Carpenter M 3y
Caroline Carpenter F 6m -----> next census page has ...
Nancy Carpenter F 6y
John Carpenter M 3y
William Carpenter M 1y
SEE ALSO:
Household ID: 393
House Number: 393
Line Number: 3
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M432
Affiliate Film Number: 382
GS Film Number: 443594
Digital Folder Number: 004200053
Image Number: 00063
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M4LJ-YLT : accessed 06 Feb 2014), W Carpenter, Tishomingo county, Tishomingo, Mississippi, United States; citing dwelling , family 393, NARA microfilm publication , roll .
CENSUS: 1860 US Census
1860 United States Federal Census
Name: William Carpenter
Age in 1860: 11
Birth Year: abt 1805
Birthplace: Kentucky
Home in 1860: Tishomingo, Mississippi
Gender: Male
Post Office: Burnsville
Value of real estate: View Image
Household Members:
Name Age
William Carpenter 55
Elizabeth Carpenter 43
George Carpenter 26
Elizabeth Carpenter 18
John Carpenter 14
Joshua Carpenter 11
Rhoda C Carpenter 9
Eliza Carpenter 7
Telitha Carpenter 5
Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: , Tishomingo, Mississippi; Roll: M653_593; Page: 425; Image: 433; Family History Library Film: 803593.
CENSUS: 1870 US Census
1870 United States Federal Census
Name: William Carpenter
Age in 1870: 66
Birth Year: abt 1804
Birthplace: Mississippi
Home in 1870: Township 3 Range 9, Tishomingo, Mississippi
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Burnsville
Value of real estate:
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Carpenter 66
Elizabeth Carpenter 60
George Carpenter 34
Joshua Carpenter 20
Elisha Carpenter 17
Elizabeth Carpenter 22
Caroline Carpenter 15
Tetitha Carpenter 14
Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Township 3 Range 9, Tishomingo, Mississippi; Roll: M593_750; Page: 282A; Image: 571; Family History Library Film: 552249.
DEATH: Possible Aug 1870 in Prentis County, MS , but more commonly referred death date is abt 1875 in Prentis county, MS.
Ancestry Family Tree has 19 Dec 1875 in Lockhart, Caldwell, Texas, United States
http://trees.ancestryinstitution.com/tree/29534231/person/12192149638
BUT Find-A-Grave reference is for a William Shook Carpenter which has a different spouse and children for this person. See:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=39739690
Elizabeth Marler
Elizabeth MARLER Compact Disc #70 Pin #948121
NAME: Marler & Marlar seen.
MARRIAGE: 1826
Name: Elizabeth Marter
Spouse: William Carpenter
Marriage Date: 19 Nov 1826
County: Blount
State: Alabama
Performed By Title: Justice of the Peace
Performed by Name: F Weeden
Source information: Jordan Dodd, Liahona Research
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Alabama, Marriage Index, 1800-1969 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006.
Original data:
Alabama Center for Health Statistics. Alabama Marriage Index, 1936-1969. Alabama Center for Health Statistics, Montgomery, Alabama.
Dodd, Jordan R., et. al. Early American Marriages: Alabama to 1825. Bountiful, UT: Precision Indexing Publishers, 19xx.
Hunting For Bears, comp. Alabama marriage information taken from county courthouse records. Many of these records were extracted from copies of the original records in microfilm, microfiche, or book format, located at the Family History Library.
Dodd, Jordan R., comp. Early American Marriages: Alabama, 1800 to 1920.
CENSUS: 1880 US Census - now a widow
Name: Elizabeth Carpenter
[Elizabeth Marlar Carpenter]
Age: 62
Birth Date: Abt 1818
Birthplace: Kentucky
Home in 1880: Beat 1, Tishomingo, Mississippi, USA
Dwelling Number: 14
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Virginia
Mother's Birthplace: Virginia
Cannot Read: Yes
Cannot Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Carpenter 62
G. W. Carpenter 41 <--- her children - all listed as single.
Elisha Carpenter 22
Elizabeth J. Carpenter 26
Tabitha Carpenter 8 <--- grand daughter
Source Citation
Year: 1880; Census Place: Beat 1, Tishomingo, Mississippi; Roll: 666; Page: 31B; Enumeration District: 196
Source Information
Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 1880 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010. 1880 U.S. Census Index provided by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints © Copyright 1999 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved. All use is subject to the limited use license and other terms and conditions applicable to this site.
Original data: Tenth Census of the United States, 1880. (NARA microfilm publication T9, 1,454 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
16336.
Reuben Carpenter
NAME: Rubin in the 1900 US Census with brother John.
In 1850 US Census with parents.
16337.
George W. Carpenter
In 1850 US Census with parents.
16338.
William Carpenter
CAUTION: Three William Carpenters lived in Tishomingo County MS at one time. One from KY and the other two born there. One married a Mary Spears(?) another Mary Marlar and the other (William R.) a Susan Wilhite. They are often confused and intermingled online.
Riley is often used as a middle name, without documenatation.
16344.
Caroline Carpenter
Age 6/12 in the 1850 US Census.
8243.
Solomon SEE NOTES Carpenter
SPECULATION: With no proof provided - is that this is Solomon Carpenter who married Elizabeth Poer and they divorced. Again no documentation. Efforts are being made to procure a male descendant for Y-DNA testing by From: Rhonda Carpenter Willard < rwillard1@bellsouth.net >
CHILDREN: James Alexander and Samuel Carpenter are listed as brothers in the 1880 US Census.
E-MAIL:
From: Terry Carpenter
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:43 PM
To: John R Carpenter
Subject: Re: Carpenter Y-DNA project - James Alexander Carpenter Descendants
John, Years ago, in the late 1980s, I corresponded with a descendant of this line through James' brother Samuel A. Carpenter, who thought Solomon Carpenter and Elizabeth Poer were Samuel A.'s parents, but her story was not consistent, and she had only oral tradition for most of it. If her basic story is correct, a descendant should test into Group 2A. YDNA is possibly the only hope for determining whether there is any truth to the tale -- not much recorded evidence has been found. Terry
NOTE: Maybe to RIN 31373 Solomon Carpenter as possbile father to the speculated Solomon who married Elizabeth Poer? JRC
MORE:
James Alexander Carpenter is [supposedly] listed as a son of Solomon and Elizabeth Poer Carpenter in a family Bible in the hands of descendants in Mississippi. The Bible supposedly lists four children: Samuel A. Carpenter, Cynthia B. Carpenter, David M. Carpenter, and James A. Carpenter.
E-MAIL:
From: Rhonda Willard
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 11:59 PM
To: 'John R Carpenter' ; 'Glenda' ; 'Terry 00 Carpenter'
Subject: RE: Carpenters - another related lineage found
John,
I wish I knew who had that Bible. That would definitely fill in the gaps on
my tree. I do have all of Solomon and Elizabeth's children in my tree, but
had never had any proof of Solomon and questioned it. Cynthia B. Carpenter
married Isaac Haptenstall. According to her death records (from Greenbrier,
VA) that I found on Ancestry. It lists the father as Jno. And E. Carpenter.
That raised some doubt in my mind. It could be that whoever provided the
information did not know since Solomon had been estranged from the family.
And, I have had problems finding what could be him on census records. I did
go back to the 1850 census record and found 2 or 3 Samuel Carpenters in
North Carolina with an Owen Carpenter living near one of them. I created a
tree that was private and unsearchable trying to piece Solomon and Owen
together and go forward, but gave up on it since I had nobody else to relate
to them.
Rhonda
E-MAIL: NOTE: This refers to Anne Merle Carpenter Kinsey b. 7 Jan 1925 in Baldwin County, AL.
From: Terry Carpenter
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 3:49 AM
To: Rhonda Willard ; 'John R Carpenter' ; 'Glenda'
Subject: Re: Carpenters - another related lineage found
John, Rhonda, Glenda,
I looked back at my correspondence from Anne Carpenter Kinsey, and she implies that the family Bible was in the possession of descendants in Mississippi who were descended from Solomon Carpenter through son James Alexander Carpenter whose daughter Georgianne I. Carpenter married Newton J. Stafford. Georgianne's and Newton's gravestone is on Find A Grave, Memorial # 53099576. She was always a bit vague about where the Bible actually was. The two children she mentions as telling her about the Carpenters are James Newton Stafford and his twin sister Nancy Isabell Stafford. Both are now deceased -- see Find A Grave Memorials 53099580 and 53099579. Anne is about 89 years of age -- she was born in 1925. In 1987 when I first corresponded with her by mail, her address was 1178 Ginger Drive, Mobile, AL 36693. I lost some of the letters in a move overseas in 1990 -- one box of books and papers got lost along the way and the earlier letters were in it, but I have one from later in 1990. I corresponded with her briefly by e-mail in 2006, but she didn't share any new information about the family Bible. It would be wonderful if someone could find that family Bible to verify what is in it.
Terry
E-MAIL:
From: Rhonda Willard
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 6:43 AM
To: 'Terry Carpenter' ; 'John R Carpenter' ; 'Glenda'
Subject: RE: Carpenters - another related lineage found
Good morning everyone,
I too am familiar with Annie Carpenter Kinsey. I corresponded with her quiet frequently about 4 or 5 years ago. She has nothing in computer software, only on paper. I have made numerous attempts to get more information out of her without any success. She is one of the cousins that stated Solomon Carpenter and Elizabeth Poer were married and divorced. She has never mentioned a family Bible to me. Only that she had at one time shared information from Ray Carpenter that does/did live in Mobile as well.
Ray Carpenter did share with me what he knew about the ancestry back around 1981, providing names back to Solomon and also a couple of photos that he had of William Hinton Carpenter and Kathryn “Kate” Hanson Carpenter. Again, Ray never mentioned that a Bible was in existence. My deceased husband was ill for quite some time and with working full time, I placed my genealogy on the back burner. That was pre-internet days…
The most that I gathered from both of them is that Solomon set fire to a trunk full of memorabilia and papers after he and Elizabeth divorced and that any significant evidence was burned in the trunk.
I guess if there is a way to discover the children of Newton and Nancy Isabell Stafford, that would be my best option for trying to locate the Bible.
I have created a Facebook group for the Carpenter family and I hope that by recruiting more Carpenter’s that it should give light to what direction to go in.
I sincerely appreciate all of the help that everyone has given me. I guess that comes from us each being passionate about our family history.
Rhonda Carpenter Willard
MORE:
From: Rhonda Willard
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 3:53 AM
To: 'John R Carpenter'
Subject: RE: Carpenters - another related lineage found - 2
Thank you so much for this compilation of Carpenter’s. There are some (living ancestor’s) that I did not have in my tree. My original tree has most of these people along with the citations included. My original tree includes both my paternal and maternal ancestor’s.
...
My husband and I are leaving on Wednesday morning for Oklahoma to see his son graduate from boot camp. Upon our return, I plan to make a trip to Mississippi and visit Nollie Wilbur Carpenter. He seems to have a lot of knowledge and should be able to provide some useful information.
With everyone’s help, I have learned that there is a Carpenter Family Bible out there and that Judy inherited it. I am attempting to find out who Judy is and will try to contact her and obtain a copy of the recordings in the Bible.
Without the help of you, Glenda and Terry I would still be in the dark.
Rhonda
Elizabeth Poer
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/e/x/Christine-M-Sexton/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0172.html
Elizabeth PoerElizabeth Poer (b. 1778)
Elizabeth Poer (daughter of David Poer and Sallie Sanders (Saunders) Jordan) was born 1778. She married (1) Solomon Carpenter. She married (2) Andrew Perkins.
Includes NotesNotes for Elizabeth Poer:
Married Solomon Carpenter and went through Tennesse and Kentucky, ending up in Indiana. They separated and she married Andrew Perkins. Reportedly she owned a store in New Orleans, LA later in her life.
SEE ALSO:
http://www.poorefarm.org/files/Legacy%20of%20John%20Poore%20story%201635.pdf
EASTWIND WESTWIND
THE LEGACY OF JOHN POORE [1635]
The Family Poore, Prehistory to the Present
By: James H. Creighton
PO Box 446
Dewey, Arizona 86327
928-632-5988
Eaglepipe1945@aol.com
ON-LINE TEXT EDITION:
PART SIX:
GREEN FIELDS
March 08, 2002
...
5. Elizabeth Poer (unsure of her birth date-either 1775 or the last child, born 1794) married Solomon
Carpenter, who took her through Tennessee and Kentucky to Indiana. She separated from Solomon and
remarried, to Andrew Perkins. It is reported that, in later life, she owned a store in New Orleans LA.
16347.
David M. Carpenter
SPECULATION
NAME: Could this be David M. L. Carpenter cited below under MARRIAGE?
BIRTH: Assuming NC, but most found in seaqrches are the David Carpenters b. abt 1803 & 1810 from Anson County, NC.
CENSUS:
Name: M O Coorpender ----> Image name could be N. M. Coorpendia
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1850
Event Place: Hinds county, part of, Hinds, Mississippi, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 47
Race: White
Race (Original):
Birth Year (Estimated): 1803
Birthplace: North Carolina
Household ID: 1590
House Number: 1590
Line Number: 1
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M432
Affiliate Film Number: 372
GS Film Number: 443584
Digital Folder Number: 004200043
Image Number: 00445
Household Gender Age Birthplace
M O Coorpender M 47 North Carolina
William Coorpender M 25 North Carolina
Lewis Coorpender M 21 Tennessee
Mary Coorpender F 19 Tennessee
Caroline Coorpender F 16 Tennessee
Robert Coorpender M 14 Tennessee
Mccinry Coorpender M 12 Tennessee
Julia Coorpender F 6 Tennessee
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M4LZ-749 : accessed 19 Apr 2014), M O Coorpender, Hinds county, part of, Hinds, Mississippi, United States; citing family 1590, NARA microfilm publication M432.
MARRIAGE: 1858
Name: David M. L. Carpenter
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth P. Simpson
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 23 Mar 1858
Event Place: Washington,Alabama
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M59352-1
System Origin: Alabama-ODM
GS Film number: 1293900 V. A-D
Reference ID:
Citing this Record:
"Alabama, Marriages, 1816-1957," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQKJ-BYT : accessed 19 Apr 2014), David M. L. Carpenter and Elizabeth P. Simpson, 23 Mar 1858; citing reference ; FHL microfilm 1293900 V. A-D.
CENSUS: 1866 Alabama State Census - same person ???
Name: David Carpenter
Gender:
Event Place: Talladega, Alabama
Age:
Birth Year (Estimated):
Event Date: 1866
Relationship to Head of Household:
Certificate Number: 36981
Line Number:
Page: 13
GS Film number: 1492022
Digital Folder Number: 4808460
Image Number: 827
Citing this Record:
"Alabama, State Census, 1866," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V6P2-7PH : accessed 19 Apr 2014), David Carpenter, Talladega, Alabama; citing Department of Archives and History, Montgomery; FHL microfilm 1492022.
16348.
Cynthia B. Carpenter
E-MAIL:
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 7:31 PM
To: jrcrin001@gmail.com
Subject: Carpenter Surname Project Join Request
... (via) Family Tree DNA by requestee Patricia Shute.
My GG-grandmother was Cynthia Belinda Carpenter, who married Isaac Haptonstall, 1797 North Carolina, 1874, Greenbrier, West Virginia. Father: Solomon Carpenter 1762-1850 Montgomery County, NC
Respond to this Request: ... or directly email this person: patlinshute@gmail.com
8244.
Jeremiah Carpenter
Number 8059 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 762.
Family on page 763 (#1592). 5 May 1803 in CM & 7 May 1803 in Mowrey book.
Jeremiah moved with his parents to Rutland Twp., Meigs county, OH, where he
settled in 1806. He received a good common school education. At marriage he
located in Columbia Twp., Meigs county, OH, and was prominent in advancing the
enterprizes of the county. He was early identified with the Baptisit Church
and was for many years a minister of that dedomination. By their energy and
perseverance in their pioneer life they accumulated a valuable estate.
CENSUS: 1830 Census of Columbia Township, Meigs county, Ohio page 268.
Jeremiah Carpenter, 1 male 5-10, 1 male 20-30, 1 female 20-30.
!CENSUS: 1850 Census of Sutton Township, Meigs county, Ohio (# 1261-1261).
Jeremiah age 47 VA farmer with family.
BOOK: See page 47 (for notes) of the Mowrey 1997 book. See book information
below:
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH
ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH
CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
E-MAIL: From: "ethel l flannery"
To:
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 1:15 PM
Subject: Jeremiah Carpenter died July 23, 1884
> Hi,
> Does anyone know who these Carpenters belong to? They are buried
> in the School Lots Cemetery in Carpenter, OH. On one side of a tall
> monument it says "father Jeremiah Carpenter died July 23, 1884 aged 81 y
> 2m 25d" "mother Sarah Ann Simpson wife of J. Carpenter died May 7, 1887
> aged 80 y 4m 15 d"
> On another side it says "children of J. & S.A. Carpenter--Abraham
> L. born Oct 30, 1825 died Jan 27 1826; William A. born Jan 2, 1827 died
> July 21, 1827; Sarah A. born Jan 2, 1850 died Jan 3, 1850" These
> children had individual stones a few feet away.
> On another side it said "Jeremiah L. Carpenter son of J. & S.A.
> Carpenter died Sept 28, 1919 aged 80 y 5 m 10 d"
> On the ground near the tall monument were two stones "Jeremiah L.
> Carpenter 1839-1919" & "Mary Hauk Carpenter 1844-1931" I have pictures
> of these stones if anyone is interested.
> My great grandparents were Solomon and Sudna Hughes Carpenter.
> I'm descended down through their daughter Margaret who married Joseph
> Riffe. Any info will be much appreciated.
> Thanks Ethel Flannery
Sarah Ann Simpson
AF has birth as Jan 1807 in ME or VA. The Carpenter Memorial has 22 Dec 1806.
Sarah Ann was the granddaughter of Andrew Simpson who emigrated to America from
Ireland with his parents. Andrew married Agnes Ayers and were the parents of
Robert and John Simpson. Robert Simpson married Lydia Longfellow, the father
and mother of Sarah Ann. John Simpson married Abigail Guild, they were the
parents of 4 children. Their third child, Hannah Simpson married Jesse Grant.
Hannah and Jesse Grant were the parents of Gen. Ulysses S. Grant, former
president of the United States of America.
Sarah Ann's children are second cousins to former President U.S. Grant.
16350.
Abraham E. Carpenter
Number 8061 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 763
Listed as Abraham L. in the CM.
16351.
William Albert Carpenter
Number 8062 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 763
16357.
Sarah A. Carpenter
Sarah is not listed in the Carpenter Memorial.
8245.
Samuel L. Carpenter
MARRIAGE: 1840
Name: Saml L Carpenter
Gender: Male
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Eib
Spouse Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 3 Feb 1840
Marriage Place: Harrison, West Virginia
Source Information
Ancestry.com. West Virginia, Marriages Index, 1785-1971 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011.
Original data:
"West Virginia Marriages, 1853–1970." Index. FamilySearch, Salt Lake City, Utah, 2008, 2009. Digital images of originals housed in County Courthouses in various counties throughout West Virginia. Marriage records.
CENSUS: 1850 Census of Sutton Township, Meigs county, Ohio (# 1035-1060).
See image: RIN 30273 Samuel Carpenter 1850.jpg AND RIN 30273 Samuel Carpenter 1850b.jpg
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CENSUS: 1850 US Census
Name: Lewis Carpenter
Age: 4
Birth Year: abt 1846
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1850: District 22, Harrison, Virginia, USA
Gender: Male
Family Number: 427
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Carpenter 44
Elizabeth Carpenter 33
Nancy Carpenter 8
Lewis Carpenter 4
Mary Carpenter 1
Source Citation
Year: 1850; Census Place: District 22, Harrison, Virginia; Roll: M432_950; Page: 200A; Image: 406
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1850 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2009. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Seventh Census of the United States, 1850; (National Archives Microfilm Publication M432, 1009 rolls); Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29; National Archives, Washington, D.C.
CENSUS: 1860 US Census - see son Charles' notes.
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Name: Samuel L Carpenter
Age: 50
Birth Year: abt 1810
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Virginia
Home in 1860: Harrison, Virginia
Post Office: Clarksburg
Family Number: 1812
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel L Carpenter 50
Elizabeth Carpenter 42
Mary H Carpenter 19
Lewis C Carpenter 15
Mary M Carpenter 12
Source Citation
Year: 1860; Census Place: Harrison, Virginia; Roll: M653_1351; Page: 997; Family History Library Film: 805351
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1860 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2009. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: 1860 U.S. census, population schedule. NARA microfilm publication M653, 1,438 rolls. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.
Elizabeth Eib
PARENTS:
Jacob M. Eib 1782–1830
Eva Frances Menges 1784–1822
16360.
Susannah Carpenter
BIRTH: Either VA or OH.
16361.
Soloman Carpenter
BIRTH: Either VA or OH.
16363.
Mary Martha Carpenter
BIRTH: Either VA or OH.
NAME:
Listed as Mary H. in 1860.
DEATH: image
Name: Mary Martha Ragle [Mary Martha Carpenter]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Age: 79
Marital Status: Widow
Birth Date: 28 Dec 1848
Birth Place: WV
Death Date: 12 Sep 1928
Death Place: Washington, Daviess, Indiana, USA
Father: Smauel L. Carpenter
Mother: Elizabeth Carpenter
Source Citation
Indiana Archives and Records Administration; Indianapolis, IN, USA; Death Certificates; Year: 1928; Roll: 11
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Indiana, Death Certificates, 1899-2011 [database on-line]. Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2015.
Original data:
Indiana State Board of Health. Death Certificates, 1900–2011. Microfilm. Indiana Archives and Records Administration, Indianapolis, Indiana.
16364.
General Carpenter
NAME: First name listed as General.
BIRTH: Either VA or OH.
CENSUS: 1850 US Census - with parents
Name: General Carpenter
Residence: Sutton, Meigs, Ohio
Age: 2 years
Calculated Birth Year: 1848
Birthplace: Virginia
Gender: Male
Race (original):
Race (expanded):
Death Month:
Death Year:
Film Number: 444703
Digital GS Number: 4204495
Image Number: 00371
Line Number: 2
Dwelling House Number: 1035
Family Number: 1060
Marital Status:
Free or Slave:
Collection: United States Census, 1850
8246.
James Carpenter
CENSUS: 1850 Census of Scipio Township, Meigs county, Ohio (# 413-413).
James married Rebecca Stone on 12-8-1844, wedding performed by Rev. J. Coms,
Vol. 1 page 295.
8247.
Henry Carpenter
CENSUS: 1850 Census of Bedford Township, Meigs county, Ohio (# 526526).
Henry married Hannah Gilkey per Vol. 1/2, page 180.
8255.
Rosina Carpenter
See page 48 of the Mowrey 1997 book.
Page 49 conflicts with page 48 - See the excerpt below from page 49:
The author does not concur with many reputable Carpenter family historians
on the make-up of Jeremiah and Elizabeth (Hamm) Carpenter's dozen children.
Many list a Rosina (RESINA) Carpenter, who married John Gilpin as one of their older
daughters. It is far more likely that this Rosina Carpenter is part of the
Nicholas and Christopher Carpenter (nee, Zimmerman) lineage.
See also "A Carpenter Genealogy" by Lyle Sharp and Frances Stoner, 1996 which
documents the Zimmerman-Carpenter Family of VA and the South.
SEE: Pioneer Women of Liverpool (OH) which lists her and her husband.
She was cheated by a friend and lost what they had and later moved.
GRAVE:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=119474090
Rocena Fuller
Birth: 1750
New York, USA
Death: May 2, 1863
Columbia Township
Lorain County
Ohio, USA
Family links:
Spouse:
Robert Fuller (1788 - 1832)*
*Calculated relationship
Burial:
Columbia Center Cemetery
Columbia Center
Lorain County
Ohio, USA
Created by: Law-Miller Roots
Record added: Oct 29, 2013
Find A Grave Memorial# 119474090
Robert Fuller
He drowned trying to save another.
GRAVE:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=119473946
Robert Fuller
Birth: Aug. 17, 1788
Death: Aug. 17, 1832
Family links:
Spouse:
Rocena Fuller (1750 - 1863)
Burial:
Columbia Center Cemetery
Columbia Center
Lorain County
Ohio, USA
Created by: Law-Miller Roots
Record added: Oct 29, 2013
Find A Grave Memorial# 119473946
16372.
Dorcas Amanda Fuller
RESIDENCE: NY, OH, MI
DEATH:
Name: Dorcas A. Emmons
Gender: Female
Burial Date:
Burial Place:
Death Date: 08 Feb 1875
Death Place: Trowbridge, Allegan, Michigan
Age: 62
Birth Date: 1813
Birthplace: N.Y.
Occupation: Housewife
Race:
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name: Robert Fuller
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name: Rosina Fuller
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B51830-5
System Origin: Michigan-EASy
GS Film number: 1017873
Reference ID: v 1 p 121
Citing this Record:
"Michigan Deaths and Burials, 1800-1995," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FH6S-38Y : accessed 11 January 2016), Robert Fuller in entry for Dorcas A. Emmons, 08 Feb 1875; citing Trowbridge, Allegan, Michigan, reference v 1 p 121; FHL microfilm 1,017,873.
16376.
Abial Newton Fuller
BIRTH:
Born in NY or OH.
Aldon Thompson
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