Group 3 - Descendants of William Carpenter-98-
Father of William Carpenter-584 (b. abt 1605)

Notes

25437. Thomas J. Carpenter

EMAIL:
From: Donna Cuzze
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 11:14 PM
To: John R. Carpenter 2
Subject: Re: Limestone Carps #1
First thing I see is this error:
4) Albert L. Carpenter-73496 of
Allen Richardson Carpenter-73481 of
Thomas J. Carpenter-73418 of
Simeon Carpenter-73148 of
John Carpenter-5351 b. abt 1764 Nash, NC M. abt 1790 , Greene, AL ****d. 1824 Newman,, GA*** Spouses: Elizabeth UpChurch, Mary ? and Mary Lee ?. AND way to many children!!! of Thomas “Jack” Carpenter-5337 b. 1740 Botetourt, VA d. 6 Aug 1803 ,, NC - See Group 13.

This line was supposed to be members of Group 2, but ...
Genetically tested descendants of Thomas "Jack" Carpenter-5337 are in Group 13 and Group 16. We do not know if this was an adoption situation or what. This line went from VA through Nash County, NC, to Greene County, AL (some alternating between NC & AL and one dying in Newman, GA - note this last one wrong - see below)) then Albert born in LA before winding up in TX.
Someone got that all messed up. This was one of those "somebody said" and everyone copied it, including me at one point. However, now we know the John who died 1824 in Newman, COWETA, GA was John Carpenter the son of Abigail Jordan. He was definitely not the John of NC. Anson Co NC had both an Allen & a Thomas Carpenter listed in 1840 Anson Co but that Thomas was still there in 1860.

There was also a Thomas Carpenter in Wake Co NC in 1840 that was of right age to be Allen's father. Some folks on Ancestry show Simeon of Franklin Co NC as his father but no one has any sources. Thomas was in Sumter Co AL by 1850 where Allen b.1832 is in household. Then Allen is found in MS then LA with son Albert. Then Albert is found in Limestone. So, the latter part was pretty simple to piece together.

Here is what I show for the Greene Co AL Carpenters (Sumter is next to Greene, Montgomery & Washington. BLM shows no old deeds for Carpenters in Sumter):

1. Jubal, Benjamin & Churchwell Carpenters "all" deeded Greene Co in 1823. Records show them born in NC.
2. John Carpenter deeded land in Greene Co in 1828 & 1831 which is hard to do if he died in 1824. He is said to have married Elizabeth Upchurch.
John is said to be older than the other 3 and presumably their father.
John is said to be the son of Thomas Jack Carpenter. This info from others, I've not researched it.
3. Thomas Jack Carpenter d.circa 1803 in Nash Co NC.
4. I found the following land patents for Carpenters in 1830s Greene Co AL:
SIMEON (1830 1837) THOMAS (1834 1837) BENJAMIN (1835) CHURCHWELL M. (1832 1833)
FURNEY L. (1833 1834) JOHN R. (1834) JOHN (1831 1837) JUBAL Jubill? (1837)
KENNITH (1837) PHILLIP (1837) LEE (1834) LEROY (1837)
and SHADRACH (1834)

Thomas Carpenter (1811 or Feb 1908) might be the one listed in the 1830 Greene Co AL census (of right age with a wife and one young daughter). His son Allen stated he was born in AL so Thomas had to be there by 1832.

The Thomas in question (1811 - Feb 1809) was in Sumter in 1850 with Allen in hshold and then still in Sumter Co in 1860 and Allen was not (Allen was in Lauderdale MS). So it is very possible that Allen (1832) 's father Thomas (1811) was of the Greene Co Carpenter line. But if Thomas's father was John of Greene Co, his father did not die in 1824 GA. John of Greene Co was alive in the 1830 census, age 60-69.
Donna

MORE:
Re: Albert L. Carpenter c.1878 LA to Limestone
If you want a descendant of Albert, you might try contacting the owner of this tree:

The screen name is jackiepassey40 and has lots of family details.
However, I don't think this person is related to Group 16. As noted in my previous email, I think Albert descends from the Greene Co AL Carpenters who were all from NC.
Donna

MARRIAGE:
North Carolina, Marriage Bonds, 1741-1868
Groom: Thomas Carpenter
Bride: Jane Richardson
Bond date: 12 Sep 1831
Bond #: 000047016
Level Info: North Carolina Marriage Bonds, 1741-1868
ImageNum: 006723
County: Franklin
Record #: 02 029
Bondsman: Willie X Chamle
Witness: S Patterson
Source Information:
Ancestry.com. North Carolina, Marriage Bonds, 1741-1868 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2000.
Original data: State of North Carolina. An Index to Marriage Bonds Filed in the North Carolina State Archives. Raleigh, NC, USA: North Carolina Division of Archives and History, 1977.

CENSUS: 1850 US Census - See image: RIN 73418 Thomas Carpenter 1850.jpg
1850 United States Federal Census
Name: Thomas Carpenter
Age: 39
Birth Year: abt 1811
Birthplace: North Carolina
Home in 1850: Warsaw, Sumter, Alabama
Gender: Male
Family Number: 1120
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Carpenter 39
Jane Carpenter 34
Allen Carpenter 19
Lucinda Carpenter 16
George Carpenter 13
Sarah Carpenter 11
James Carpenter 6
Jefferson Carpenter 4
Virginia Carpenter 1
Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: Warsaw, Sumter, Alabama; Roll: M432_15; Page: 329A; Image: 148.

CENSUS: 1860 US Census - See image: RIN 73418 Thomas Carpenter 1860.jpg
1860 United States Federal Census
Name: Thomas Carpenter
Age in 1860: 51
Birth Year: abt 1809
Birthplace: North Carolina
Home in 1860: Northern Division, Sumter, Alabama
Gender: Male
Post Office: Warsaw
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Carpenter 51
Jane Carpenter 44
G W Carpenter 23
James Carpenter 17
Gennie Carpenter 11
Priscilla Carpenter 9
Theodore Carpenter 15
Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Northern Division, Sumter, Alabama; Roll: M653_24; Page: 569; Image: 108; Family History Library Film: 803024.

Jane Richardson

executor to Thomas' estate after his death in 1860.

33620. Lucinda Carpenter

Line 5702
 BIRT DATE CA 1834

33621. George W. Carpenter

Line 5708
 BIRT DATE CA 1837

33622. Louisa Carpenter

Resided in Lauderdale , MS.

33623. Sarah Carpenter

Line 5714
 BIRT DATE CA 1839

33624. William H. Carpenter

Line 5435
 BURI PLAC Pleasant Hill Cem., Greene , AL

33625. James M. Carpenter

Line 5728
 BIRT DATE CA 1843

resided w/ brother Allen in Cameron Parris, LA at time of 1870 census.
unmarried, nothing further.

33626. Jefferson Carpenter

Line 5736
 BIRT DATE CA 1846

33627. Virginia Carpenter

Line 5742
 BIRT DATE CA 1850

33628. Priscella Carpenter

Line 5748
 BIRT DATE CA 1853

33629. Christopher Columbus Carpenter

Line 5446
 BURI PLAC Pleasant Hill Cem., Greene  ,AL

25438. Furney Lee Carpenter

Resided in Chickasaw , MS in 1850.

25439. Rawena Carpenter

Most likely died from childbirth.

33636. 1 Brasfield

NAME: Infant son.

33641. 6 Brasfield

NAME: Infant son.

25444. John Rice Carpenter

CENSUS: 1830 US Census
Name: John Carpenter
Event Place: Not Stated, Greene, Alabama
Page Number: 406
Affiliate Publication Number: M19
Affiliate Film Number: 2
GS Film number: 0002329
Digital Folder Number: 004410702
Image Number: 00797
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1830," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHPL-8K9 : accessed 26 Aug 2013), John Carpenter, 1830.
NOTE:
John R Carpenter   Greene, Alabama 17 (slaves)  23 (total)

MARRIAGE:
North Carolina, Marriage Collection, 1741-2004
Name: John R. Carpenter
Spouse: Eliza J. Bryant
Marriage Date: 16 Mar 1835
Marriage County: Nash
Marriage State: North Carolina
Source: County Court Records at Nashville, NC & Family History
Source Citation: Data Source: County Court Records at Nashville, NC and FHL # 0422156 item 3.
Source Information:
Ancestry.com. North Carolina, Marriage Collection, 1741-2004 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2007.
SEE ALSO:
Nash County, North Carolina Vital Records Abstracts
Name: Carpenter, John R.
Birth Date: 1822
Birth Place: Nash co., NC
Marriage Date: 16 Mar 1835
Marriage Place: Nash co., NC
Spouse: Eliza J. Bryant
Residence: Nash co., NC
Source Information:
Herrin, Cynthia. Nash County, North Carolina Vital Records Abstracts [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2000.
Original data: Families of Early North Carolina. 1909.

CENSUS: 1840 US Cenus
Name: John R Carpenter
Event Place: Not Stated, Greene, Alabama
Page Number: 134
Affiliate Publication Number: M704
Affiliate Film Number: 5
GS Film number: 0002333
Digital Folder Number: 004410610
Image Number: 00277
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1840," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHTL-QZP : accessed 26 Aug 2013), John R Carpenter, 1840.

CENSUS: 1850 US Census
Name: John R Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1850
Event Place: Greene county, Greene, Alabama, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 39
Marital Status:
Race (Original):
Race:
Birthplace: North Carolina
Birth Year (Estimated): 1811
House Number: 1484
Family Number: 1484
Line Number: 8
Affiliate Publication Number: M432
Affiliate Film Number: 6
GS Film number: 2348
Digital Folder Number: 004187296
Image Number: 00196
Household Gender Age Birthplace
John R Carpenter M 39 North Carolina
Eliza Carpenter F 31 North Carolina
Mary L Carpenter F 14 Alabama
William Carpenter M 11 Alabama
Cornelia Carpenter F 9 Alabama
Ann Carpenter F 6 Alabama
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MH5M-LLM : accessed 26 Aug 2013), John R Carpenter, 1850.

CENSUS: 1850 US Census - Slave Schedule
1850 U.S. Federal Census - Slave Schedules about John R Carpenter
Gender: Female
Race: Black
Age: 39
Home in 1860: Greene, Alabama
Name of Slave Owner: John R Carpenter
All Slaves Owned:
Age Gender
38 Male
35 Male
30 Male
22 Male
22 Male
20 Male
18 Male
19 Male
23 Male
13 Male
8 Male
4 Male
2 Male
40 Female
39 Female
39 Female
26 Female
23 Female
22 Female
20 Female
19 Female
19 Female
18 Female
16 Female
14 Female
18 Female
4 Female
2 Female
19 Male
21 Male
22 Male
20 Male
19 Male
1 M Male
25 Male
2 Male
30 Male
1 M Female
Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1850 U.S. Federal Census - Slave Schedules [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.
Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Seventh Census of the United States, 1850. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1850. M432, 1,009 rolls.
Description:
This database details those persons enumerated in the Slave Schedule of the 1850 United States Federal Census, the Seventh Census of the United States. In addition, the names of those listed on the slave schedule are linked to the actual images of the 1850 Federal Census. In most cases, individuals were not named but were simply numbered and can be distinguished only by age, sex, and color; the names of owners are recorded. However, some enumerators listed the given names of slaves, particularly those over one hundred years of age.

CENSUS: 1860 US Census
1860 United States Federal Census
Name: J R Carpenter
Age in 1860: 49
Birth Year: abt 1811
Birthplace: North Carolina
Home in 1860: Clinton, Greene, Alabama
Gender: Male
Post Office: Clinton
Value of real estate: View Image
Household Members:
Name Age
J R Carpenter 49
N B Carpenter 21
C Carpenter 18
A Carpenter 16
L Carpenter 7
W Carpenter 5
Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Clinton, Greene, Alabama; Roll: M653_10; Page: 996; Image: 458; Family History Library Film: 803010.
SEE ALSO:
"United States Census, 1860," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MHDL-1DT : accessed 26 Aug 2013), J  R Carpenter, 1860.

CENSUS: 1860 US Census - Slave Schedule
1860 U.S. Federal Census - Slave Schedules
Gender: Male
Race: Black
Age: 63
Home in 1860: Clinton precinct, Greene, Alabama
Name of Slave Owner: J K Carpenter
All Slaves Owned:
Age Gender
63 Male
50 Male
40 Male
40 Male
40 Male
40 Female
40 Female
35 Female
31 Female
27 Female
25 Male
16 Female
14 Female
14 Male
13 Female
13 Female
9 Female
9 Male
9 Male
5 Male
5 Male
5 Female
3 Male
3 Male
3 Female
6 Male
4 Male
Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1860 U.S. Federal Census - Slave Schedules [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010.
Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Eighth Census of the United States, 1860. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1860. M653, 1,438 rolls.

MILITARY: CIVIL WAR
NOTE: Older individuals often went into artillery or the Home Guard. In the American Civil War, the John in question would be about age 50 in 1861.  Take with a grain of salt since no age is given.  Research is needed to find out where the 5th Regiment of Alabama Cavalry was raised at.
Name: John R. Carpenter
Name Note:
Also Known As Name:
Also Known As Note:
Event Type: Military Service
Military Beginning Rank: Private
Military Beginning Rank Note:
Military Final Rank: Private
Military Final Rank Note:
Military Side: Confederate
Military Side Note:
State or Military Term: Alabama
Military Unit: 5th Regiment, Alabama Cavalry
Military Unit Note:
Military Company: D
Military Company Note:
Note:
Affiliate Publication Title: Index to Compiled Service Records of Confederate Soldiers Who Served in Organizations From the State of Alabama.
Affiliate Publication Number: M374
Affiliate Film Number: 8
GS Film number: 821956
Citing this Record:
"United States Civil War Soldiers Index," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FS79-GPL : accessed 26 Aug 2013), John R. Carpenter, 1861-1865.
SEE ALSO:
Name: John R. Carpenter
Event Type: Military Service
Event Date: 1863
Age (Original):
Military Unit Note: Fifth Cavalry
Affiliate Publication Title: Compiled Service Records of Confederate Soldiers Who Served in Organizations from the State of Alabama
Affiliate Publication Number: M311
Affiliate Film Number: 19_01
Citing this Record:
"Alabama, Civil War Service Records of Confederate Soldiers, 1861-1865," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XXKR-962 : accessed 26 Aug 2013), John R. Carpenter, 1863.

CENSUS: 1866 Alabama State Census
Alabama State Census, 1820-1866 about J R Carpenter
Name: J R Carpenter
Race: White
County: Greene
Census Year: 1866
Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Alabama State Census, 1820-1866 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010. This collection was indexed by Ancestry.com World Archives Project contributors.
Original data: Alabama State Census, 1820, 1850, 1855 and 1866. Montgomery, Alabama: Alabama Department of Archives & History. Rolls M2004.0008-M2004.0012, M2004.0036-M2004.0050, and M2008.0124.

VOTER:  image - 1867
Name: J R Carpenter
Race: White
County: Greene
Election District: 19
Precinct: 14
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Alabama, Voter Registration, 1867 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2015.
Original data: Alabama 1867 Voter Registration Records Database. Alabama Department of Archives and History, Montgomery, Alabama.
NOTE:  
On the same page is a Jno Carpenter

CENSUS: 1870 US Census (closest match to Greene County, AL)
Name: Jn B Carpenter <--- John R. on image
Birth Year (Estimated): 1811
Gender: Male
Age (Original): 59y
Race: White
Birthplace: North Carolina
Event Place: Alabama, United States    -----> Clinton, Greene, AL
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Jas B Cook M 45y Alabama
Mary T Cook F 33y Alabama
Mollie Cook F 21y Alabama
Anna Cook F 13y Alabama
Laura Cook F 11y Alabama
John Cook M 6y Alabama
Edwin Cook M 1y Alabama
Jn B Carpenter M 59y North Carolina
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1870," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MHKW-3SJ : accessed 26 Aug 2013), Jn B Carpenter in entry for Jas B Cook, .

ESTATE:
Name: John R Carpenter
Also Known As Name:
File Name: John R Carpenter
Event Type: Probate
Event Place: Greene County, Alabama
Event Year: 1876
Additional Name:
GS Film number: 2388378
Digital Folder Number: 005009316
First Image Number: 1344
Last Image Number: 1500
Number of Images: 157
Note: 1998 2 Folders
Citing this Record:
"Alabama, Estate Files, 1830-1976," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VNTV-NNQ : accessed 26 Aug 2013), John R Carpenter, 1876.

33654. William J. Carpenter

CENSUS: 1860 US Census - Age 5 but listed with initial L only.  

CENSUS: 1880 US Census
Household:
Name  Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
William CARPENTER   Self   S   Male   W   25   MS   Farmer   MS   MS
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
 Census Place Clinton, Greene, Alabama
 Family History Library Film   1254014
 NA Film Number   T9-0014
 Page Number   50B

25447. Susan Caroline Carpenter

DEAT SOUR Sylvia

25448. Samuel Benjamin Carpenter Jr.

There were 9 other children, names unknown.

25453. Israel F. Carpenter

PARENTS:  Parents unknown, temporary connection.

CENSUS: 1850 US Census
Name: Israel F Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1850
Event Place: Tishomingo county, Tishomingo, Mississippi, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Race: White
Race (Original):
Birth Year (Estimated): 1822
Birthplace: North Carolina
Household ID: 353
House Number: 353
Line Number: 39
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M432
Affiliate Film Number: 382
GS Film Number: 443594
Digital Folder Number: 004200053
Image Number: 00233
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Israel F Carpenter M 28 North Carolina
Levomy S Carpenter F 23 South Carolina
Mary A Carpenter F 2 Mississippi
Robert H Carpenter M 1 Mississippi
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M4LN-T9T : accessed 06 Feb 2014), Israel F Carpenter, Tishomingo county, Tishomingo, Mississippi, United States; citing dwelling , family 353, NARA microfilm publication , roll .

33669. Wylie Hales

Wyatt & Wylie were twins.