Group 3 - Descendants of William Carpenter-98-
Father of William Carpenter-584 (b. abt 1605)

Notes

2459. Lucy Bliss

NOTE:
Her father is believed Jonathon Bliss and she was grand daughter of Lt. Ephraim Bliss. But there has been some discussion otherwise. Some believe that she was daughter of Abdial Bliss and his wife Lydia.
Jonathan and Abdial are brothers.

BIRTH1:  Conflicting parents
23 June 1769 See: VR 3/120 per Neysa Garrett, which matches the Carpenter Memorial date given.
SEE: image (typed)
Name: Lucy Bliss
Event Type: Birth
Birth Date: 23 Jun 1769
Birth Place: Rehoboth, Massachusetts
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Massachusetts, U.S., Town and Vital Records, 1620-1988 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011.
Original data: Town and City Clerks of Massachusetts. Massachusetts Vital and Town Records. Provo, UT: Holbrook Research Institute (Jay and Delene Holbrook).
SEE ALSO:
Name: Lucy Bliss
Birth Date: 23 Jun 1769
Birth Place: Rehoboth, Massachusetts, USA
Relative: chi:Jonathan Bliss, Jr.; chi:Lydia Bliss  <---------------------------
Source: Vital Record of Rehoboth, 1642-1896. Marriages, Intentions, Births, Deaths, with Supplement containing the Record of 1896, Colonial Returns, Lists of the Early Settlers, Purchasers, Freemen, Inhabitants, the Soldiers serving in Philip's War and the Revolution.
Births
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Rehoboth, Massachusetts, U.S., Vital Records, 1642-1896 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2000.
Original data: Arnold, James N. Vital Record of Rehoboth, 1642-1896. Providence, RI, USA: Narragansett Historical Publishing, 1897.
SEE ALSO:
NAFH: image
Name: Lucy Bliss
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 1769
First Marriage Date: 1788
Death Date: 1817
Father: Jonathan Bliss
Mother: Lydia Wheeler
Spouse: James Carpenter
Child: Joseph Carpenter
Source Citation
Book Title: Lineage Book of the Charter Members of the DAR Vol 037
Source Information
Ancestry.com. North America, Family Histories, 1500-2000 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016.

BIRTH2:
6 July 1765 is given by Gene Zubrinsky who cites Arnold, Vital Record of Rehoboth.
He (also) indicates that Lucy Bliss, daughter of Jonathan and Lydia (Wheeler) Bliss, was born at Rehoboth on 23 June 1769.
SEE: image (typed)
Name: Lucy Bliss
Event Type: Birth
Birth Date: 6 Jul 1765
Birth Place: Rehoboth, Massachusetts
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Massachusetts, U.S., Town and Vital Records, 1620-1988 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011.
Original data: Town and City Clerks of Massachusetts. Massachusetts Vital and Town Records. Provo, UT: Holbrook Research Institute (Jay and Delene Holbrook).
SEE ALSO:
Name: Lucy Bliss
Birth Date: 6 Jul 1765
Birth Place: Rehoboth, Massachusetts, USA
Relative: chi:Abdial Bliss; chi:Lydia Bliss  <------------------------------
Source: Vital Record of Rehoboth, 1642-1896. Marriages, Intentions, Births, Deaths, with Supplement containing the Record of 1896, Colonial Returns, Lists of the Early Settlers, Purchasers, Freemen, Inhabitants, the Soldiers serving in Philip's War and the Revolution.
Births
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Rehoboth, Massachusetts, U.S., Vital Records, 1642-1896 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2000.
Original data: Arnold, James N. Vital Record of Rehoboth, 1642-1896. Providence, RI, USA: Narragansett Historical Publishing, 1897.
SEE ALSO:
Name: Lucy Bliss
Birth Date: 6 Jul 1765
Birth Place: Rehoboth, Massachusetts, USA
Relative: chi:Abdial Bliss; chi:Lydia Bliss
Source: Vital Record of Rehoboth, 1642-1896. Marriages, Intentions, Births, Deaths, with Supplement containing the Record of 1896, Colonial Returns, Lists of the Early Settlers, Purchasers, Freemen, Inhabitants, the Soldiers serving in Philip's War and the Revolution.
Births
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Rehoboth, Massachusetts, U.S., Vital Records, 1642-1896 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2000.
Original data: Arnold, James N. Vital Record of Rehoboth, 1642-1896. Providence, RI, USA: Narragansett Historical Publishing, 1897.
SEE ALSO:
NAFH:  image
Name: Lucy Bliss
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 6 Jul 1765
Father: Abadial Bliss
Mother: Lydia Smith
Source Citation
Book Title: Genealogy of the Bliss family in America from about the year 1550 to 1880
Source Information
Ancestry.com. North America, Family Histories, 1500-2000 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016.

MARRIAGE:  WHICH LUCY GOES WITH JAMES CARPENTER???
6 March 1789 per VR 4/228.  Info supplied by Neysa Garrett, via email on 17 April 2009.
6 March 1789 given by Gene Zubrinsky, who writes, "James Carpenter and Lucy Bliss married at Rehoboth on 6 March (int. 15 Feb.) 1789.
Joseph Carpenter, first child of James and Lucy (Bliss) Carpenter, was born at Rehoboth on 8 September 1789."
26 Mar 1788 per the Carpenter Memorial.   Note: Her first child Joseph would have been a 6 month pregnancy with the 1789 date and full term with the 1788 date.  Is this why the other date was used?  There is a definite need to confirm these dates.
SEE:  image (pay wall)
Name: Lucy Bliss
Gender: Female
Spouse: James Carpenter
Marriage Date: 6 Mar 1789
City: Rehoboth
County: Bristol
Source: Family History Library, Salt Lake City, UT, Film # 0562559.
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Massachusetts, U.S., Compiled Marriages, 1633-1850 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005.
Original data: Dodd, Jordan, Liahona Research, comp. Massachusetts, Marriages, 1633-1850. With some noted exceptions all marriage records in this collection can be found at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah, and may be available through Family History Centers throughout the United States. See table below for information listed.

DEATH:
21 Sep 1817 per the Carpenter Memorial.  Gene Zubrinsky writes, "Mrs. Lucy Carpenter, widow of James, died at Rehoboth on 24 September 1817, in her 45th year [sic] (Arnold, Vital Record of Rhode Island, 13:251 [from The Providence Gazette]).  Although her age at death implies a birth year of about 1773, it's much closer to the birth date of Jonathan and Lydia (Wheeler) Bliss's daughter Lucy than to that of Abdiel and Lydia (Smith) Bliss's daughter Lucy."
Could the 21st be death date and the 24th be burial date?
Gene continues, "More significant, however, is that Jonathan Bliss (b. Rehoboth, 3 April 1767), son of Jonathan and Lucy (Wheeler) Bliss, married at Rehoboth on 5 November 1789, Sarah Martin.  Born at Rehoboth less than two years later, on 22 August 1791, was James and Lucy (Bliss) Carpenter's second child, recorded as Sally Martin Carpenter.  I you undoubtedly know, Sally was a nickname for Sarah.
While circumstantial, the evidence strongly suggests that James Carpenter's wife Lucy Bliss was born at Rehoboth on 23 June 1769, daughter of Jonathan and Lydia (Wheeler) Bliss.
All data above are from James N. Arnold, Vital Record of Rehoboth, 1642-1896 (Providence, 1897) except the one item for which I cite (in abbreviated form) his Vital Record of Rhode Island, 1636-1850, 21 vols. (Providence, 1891-1912)."
SEE:  image (typed)
Name: Mrs Lucy Carpenter
Birth Date: abt 1773
Spouse Name: James Carpenter
Death Date: 24 Sep 1817
Death Place: Rehoboth
Death Age: 44
Page number: 251
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Rhode Island, U.S., Vital Extracts, 1636-1899 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
Original data: Arnold, James Newell. Rhode Island Vital Extracts, 1636–1850. 21 volumes. Providence, R.I.: Narragansett Historical Publishing Company, 1891–1912. Digitized images from New England Historic Genealogical Society, Boston, Massachusetts.
NOTE:  Per image Vol. 13: Newspapers: Deaths
Carpenter ...
"Mrs. Lucy, widow of James, in 45th year, at Rehoboth.   Sept. 24, 1817"
SEE ALSO: image (typed)
Name: Lucy Carpenter
Birth Date: abt 1772
Spouse Name: James Carpenter
Death Date: 21 Sep 1817
Death Place: Rehoboth
Death Age: 45
Page number: 29
Source Information
Ancestry.com. Rhode Island, U.S., Vital Extracts, 1636-1899 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
Original data: Arnold, James Newell. Rhode Island Vital Extracts, 1636–1850. 21 volumes. Providence, R.I.: Narragansett Historical Publishing Company, 1891–1912. Digitized images from New England Historic Genealogical Society, Boston, Massachusetts.

OBIT:  image (typed)
Name: Mrs Lucy Carpenter
Birth Year: abt 1772
Event: Death
Spouse: James Carpenter
Death Date: Abt 1817
Death Place: Rehoboth
Age at Death: 45
Newspaper: Columbian Centinel
Publication Date: 29 Oct 1817
Publication Place: Massachusetts, USA
Call Number: 485704
Source Information
Ancestry.com. U.S., Newspaper Extractions from the Northeast, 1704-1930 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014. This collection was indexed by Ancestry World Archives Project contributors.
Original data: Newspapers and Periodicals. American Antiquarian Society, Worcester, Massachusetts.
The Digitized Content is licensed from the American Antiquarian Society ("AAS") and may not be reproduced, transferred, commercially or otherwise exploited, in whole or in part, outside the terms and conditions of this service without the express written consent of AAS. All rights reserved.
NOTE:  per the typed image
"Carpenter, Lucy (Mrs.), relict of James Carpenter, d. in Charlestown, aged 45 yrs. (C.C. Oct 29, 1817)

GRAVE:  images <---- one image has the birth of June 23, 1769 ... but this is a replacement marker typical of the early 1900s. There are no original markers there. It matches the DAR register in  dates.
Lucy Bliss Carpenter
Birth: 23 Jun 1769 Rehoboth, Bristol County, Massachusetts, USA
Death: 21 Sep 1817 (aged 48) Rehoboth, Bristol County, Massachusetts, USA
Burial: Village Cemetery, Rehoboth, Bristol County, Massachusetts, USA
Memorial #: 11002059
Gravesite Details Wife of James Carpenter. Other children include Sarah Martin, Lucy Bliss, James Jr. and Newton.
Family Members
Spouse
James Carpenter                 1767-1812
Children
Joseph Carpenter                 1789-1880
Rebecca Carpenter                 1796-1810
Rosilla Carpenter                 1799-1806
Created by: Karen (46487446)
Added: 21 May 2005
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/11002059/lucy-carpenter
Citation: Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 12 November 2019), memorial page for Lucy Bliss Carpenter (23 Jun 1769–21 Sep 1817), Find A Grave Memorial no. 11002059, citing Village Cemetery, Rehoboth, Bristol County, Massachusetts, USA ; Maintained by Karen (contributor 46487446) .

MISC:
E-MAIL:
From: Stacy M
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 6:39 PM
To: John R Carpenter
Subject: Some clarification on a specific Carpenter
...
Immediately following, on the next person on the next page, p. 112, lists his brother, Capt. Abdial Bliss. His Lucy is listed solely as b. 6 Jul 1763. There is NO mention of marriage, children, or death. However, it DOES state in Abdial’s bio “He had a large family, and removed to Vermont about 1798 with all except his eldest son, and died in C., June 10, 1805. He represented Calais in the Vermont Legislature, in 1800 and 1801.”
So could this also suggest that since he “took all but his eldest son” that HIS Lucy moved to Vermont with him??? Unfortunately, most Vermont records do not go that far back, and it seems they have transcribed every BLISS into BLINN due to the old handwriting. Either she went with or she does before hand, which I can’t find anything to confirm. But, according to this Bliss genealogy, sounds like it conformed Jonathan’s Lucy to be the bearer of James Carpenter’s 7 children. What do you think???
Have a great day,
Stacy Marti
COMMENT:
The mention of a 1798ish move to Vermont as described above has never been mentioned in the various discussions about Lucy Bliss and her 1789 marriage to James Carpenter.  It seems to support the "strong suggestion" that Jonathon Bliss and Lydia Wheeler as the correct parents.

James Carpenter

Number 1879 on page 256 in the Carpenter Memorial.
Family on page 429 and 430 (# 611).  A manufacturer and farmer.

DEATH:died either 11 or 20 Oct. 1812.

MARRIAGE: See notes on which Lucy Bliss is which in Lucy's notes.

GRAVE: images
James Carpenter
Birth: 15 Sep 1767 Rehoboth, Bristol County, Massachusetts, USA
Death: 20 Oct 1812 (aged 45) Rehoboth, Bristol County, Massachusetts, USA
Burial: Village Cemetery, Rehoboth, Bristol County, Massachusetts, USA
Memorial #: 11002036
Family Members
Parents
Thomas Carpenter                 1733-1807
Elizabeth Moulton Carpenter                 1736-1804
Spouse
Lucy Bliss Carpenter                 1769-1817
Siblings
Elizabeth Carpenter Abell                 1755-1792
Thomas Carpenter                 1758-1837
Sarah Carpenter                 1760-1775
William Carpenter                 1763-Unknown
Stephen Carpenter                 1765-1850
Peter Carpenter                 1773-1814
Children
Joseph Carpenter                 1789-1880
Rebecca Carpenter                 1796-1810
Rosilla Carpenter                 1799-1806
Created by: Karen (46487446)
Added: 21 May 2005
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/11002036
Citation: Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 12 November 2019), memorial page for James Carpenter (15 Sep 1767–20 Oct 1812), Find A Grave Memorial no. 11002036, citing Village Cemetery, Rehoboth, Bristol County, Massachusetts, USA ; Maintained by Karen (contributor 46487446) .

5895. Sarah Martin "Sally" Carpenter

Number 3953 on page 430 in the Carpenter Memorial.
No family listed.

Samuel Carpenter

Resided in Taunton,,MA.

5896. Lucy B. Carpenter

Number 3954 on page 430 in the Carpenter Memorial.
Family on same page.

5897. Rebecca Carpenter

Number 3955 on page 430 in the Carpenter Memorial.

5898. Rosella Carpenter

Number 3956 on page 430 in the Carpenter Memorial.

5899. James Carpenter

Number 3957 on page 430 in the Carpenter Memorial.
Family on page (# 1069).
He and his wife are buried in Mt. Auburn near Boston.

Daniel Carpenter

Number 1521 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 216.
A veteran of the War of 1812. He moved to Ohio around 1830.
He and his wife settled in Seneca, Ontario, NY and raised several sons on their
farm.  They both died in Hinkley and were burided in Litchfield, Medina county,
Ohio.

DEATH:  Father and his son, Daniel, died the same day?  27 Mar 1839.  The will below indicates that this Daniel's death was between Feb. 1839 (addenda date) and May 27, 1839 (probate date). This fits with the death date given.

From: "Winifred Sihon"
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 6:13 PM
Subject: Daniel Carpenter of Medina OH d. 1839
I just have studied this will and determined that it is not my line, but perhaps someone else would like the copies I have of the actual will.
WILL OF DANIEL CARPENTER
To his beloved wife Hannah $1500, plus house, household goods, horse & carriage.
To his son James H.  $1000 to be paid when he reaches 21.  Hannah to be guardian with expenses for his maintenance and education provided from interest on the account.  After debts are paid, the rest of his estate is to
be divided equally among his children:  Daniel, Nancy Southerland, George, Abdul B. and James H.
The executors are to be his sons Daniel and George.  Signed by Daniel Carpenter of Hopewell, Medina Co., OH July 13, 1833 and witnessed by John Price and John Spangle of Hopewell.
A later addendum gives to his son James by deed, half of the farm situated in Litchfield, Medina Co and specifies that the children of Nancy are to be given her share upon her death.    dated Feb. 1839
The will was filed for probate May 27, 1839 (FHL film 423849 v. B 1832-1842  p. 157-160.
The Estate disposition was made May 30, 1839 with an accounting of property and money owned and owed.  One mortgage was held from a William Kelly in Greece, Monroe Co., NY perhaps the place from which they had come. (FHL film  423850 v. C 1839-1848 p. 379-381.)

A book at Seattle Public Library:  Newspaper Abstracts Huron Co., Ohio 1822-1835 by Henry Timman, 1974
lists the marriage of Daniel Carpenter to Julia Washburn, Oct. 8, 1835.  in Fitchville.  I assume this is the Daniel Jr. listed in the will.

5904. Daniel Carpenter

He settled in Litchfield, OH.  About 1830 he moved to Ohio.
DEATH:  He and his father has the same death date listed?  27 Mar 1839.

MARRIAGE: A book at Seattle Public Library:  Newspaper Abstracts Huron Co., Ohio 1822-1835 by Henry Timman, 1974 lists the marriage of Daniel Carpenter to Julia Washburn, Oct. 8, 1835.  in Fitchville.  I assume this is the Daniel Jr. listed in the will.
SEE:  See father's notes.

2482. Aaron Bliss

The following AFNs are the same person: NRRF-RD, BJ5K-GP & CNS3-QF.

5928. Bliss

POSSIBLE CHILD DEATH.

2492. Cyrus Carpenter

Number 2005 in the Carpenter Memorial.  Page 265.
Family on page 451 (# 648).  A Farmer.

SEE: Genealogical & Personal Memoirs Relating to Families of MA.  W.R. Cutter,
1910, Lewis Historical publication Co., NY - Pages 836 & 837.
DEATH: 25 Mar 1825 is the same as his marriage date.  Big Typo here!
The CM does not list a death date for him.

CENSUS: 1850 US Census - See image: RIN 22036 Cyrus Carpenter 1850 Census ... jpg
Name: Cyrus Carpenter
Census place: Guilford, Windham, Vermont
Age: 48 years
Estimated birth year: 1802
Birthplace: Rhode Island  (NOT MA as per other records!)
Gender: Male
Race or color (on document):
Race or color (expanded):
Death month:
Death date:
Film number: 444928
Digital GS number: 4206192
Image number: 00147
Reference number: 26
Dwelling: 224
Household id: 226
Marital status:
Free or slave:
Collection: United States Census, 1850

CENSUS: 1860 US Census - No image
Name: Cyrus Carpenter
Residence: Windham, Vermont
Minor civil division: Guilford
Age: 58 years
Estimated birth year: 1802
Birthplace: Rhode Island
Gender: Male
Page: 26
Family number: 748
Film number: 805325
Digital GS number: 4297354
Image number: 00222
NARA publication number: M653
Collection: United States Census, 1860

Alvira Louisa Gale

Father was "A. Gale."

5936. Edward Cyrus Carpenter

CENSUS: 1850 US Census - living with father and step mother.
Name: Edward Carpenter
Census place: Guilford, Windham, Vermont
Age: 19 years
Estimated birth year: 1831
Birthplace: Vermont
Gender: Male
Race or color (on document):
Race or color (expanded):
Death month:
Death date:
Film number: 444928
Digital GS number: 4206192
Image number: 00147
Reference number: 28
Dwelling: 224
Household id: 226
Marital status:
Free or slave:
Collection: United States Census, 1850

CENSUS: 1860 US Census - no image
Name: Edward Carpenter
Residence: Windsor, Vermont
Minor civil division: Bridgewater
Age: 30 years
Estimated birth year: 1830
Birthplace: Vermont
Gender: Male
Page: 131
Family number: 1122
Film number: 805328
Digital GS number: 4297357
Image number: 00136
NARA publication number: M653
Collection: United States Census, 1860

CENSUS: 1870 US Census - See image: RIN 30685 Edward Cyrus Carpenter 1870 Census ... jpg.
NOTE: Living with sister Augusta and her husband.
Name: Edward Carpenter
Estimated birth year: 1830
Gender: Male
Age: 40y
Race or color (expanded): White
Birthplace: Vermont
Residence: Vermont, United States
Collection: United States Census, 1870

2493. Elisha Carpenter

Resided in Warren, RI and Norton,,MA.

Hiram P. White

Resided in Hennepin,,IL

Alba Howard

Resided in West Bridgewater,,MA.

5941. Betsey Carpenter

Betsey was John's second wife.

5942. Elisha Carpenter

Died young.

2495. Peter Carpenter

He came to Warren when a young man;  for a short time he was
occupied in teaching school;  from that position he was chosen
cashier of the Warren bank;  he held the position for about 30
years, having the reputation of being remarkably faithful and
exact in all his dealings and accounts;  about this period he
was stricken with paralysis and was compelled to vacate his
position, upon doing which the directors presented him, on
account of faithful services, with a solid silver pitcher which
still remains an heirloom in the hands of the oldest direct
descendant, the Hon. Charles Sidney Smith, Esq., ex-Mayor of
Providence, RI  At the time of his death, and for a number of
years previous, he was deacon of the Baptist Church.
Inscription:
PRESENTED TO
PETER CARPENTER ESQUIRE
BY THE
PRESIDENT, DIRECTORS & COMPANY
OF THE
WARREN  - BANK
As a tribute of respect for his faithful services as Cashier of
said institution for 30 years
Warren, RI, October, 1835
This cup holds nearly two quarts, and is of pure silver;  it
cost nearly $100.  (It was shown the Compiler by the family in
1845 or 1846.2  SOUR S203
3  TEXT pg 215

Capt. John Day

He followed the sea for a number of years and became the captain
of the vessel;  he left the sea for the gold regions of
California in the early days fo the gold fever;  he soon became
the surveyor of NV county.2  SOUR S203
3  TEXT pg 367

5947. Betsey Carpenter

BIRTH:
Name Elizabeth Carpenter
Sex Female
Husband Isaac Carpenter
Daughter Betsy Carpenter
Other information in the record of Betsy Carpenter
from Massachusetts, Town Clerk, Vital and Town Records
Name Betsy Carpenter
Event Type Birth
Event Date 15 Jan 1810
Event Place Norton, Bristol, Massachusetts, United States
Gender Female
Father's Name Isaac Carpenter
Mother's Name Elizabeth Carpenter
Citation
"Massachusetts, Town Clerk, Vital and Town Records, 1626-2001," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/Q29G-LS1S : 5 November 2017), Elizabeth Carpenter in entry for Betsy Carpenter, 15 Jan 1810; citing Birth, Norton, Bristol,

2498. William Carpenter

Number 1513 in The CARPENTER MEMORIAL.  Page 216.
Family is number 499 on page 368.  A farmer.

5950. Hannah Carpenter

Number 3236 in The CARPENTER MEMORIAL.  Page 368.
No family listed.

5951. Polly Carpenter

Number 3237 in The CARPENTER MEMORIAL.  Page 368.
No family listed. She married and farmer and resided in Mansfield, MA.

5952. Lucinda Carpenter

Number 3238 in The CARPENTER MEMORIAL.  Page 368.
No family listed.

5953. Nancy Carpenter

Number 3243 in The CARPENTER MEMORIAL.  Page 368.
No family listed. She resided in Mansfield, MA.

5955. Lucy Carpenter

Number 3240 in The CARPENTER MEMORIAL.  Page 368.
No family listed.