2.
Gabriel Zimmerman
3.
Jacob Carpenter
NOTE:
Noel Geissmann's notes:
I have Jacob in Ms. Territory in 1803. His son Thomas must have arrived first in La. and then Jacob must have followed in 1811.
Family history states that we were Zimmermans from either Germany or Switzerland.
COMMENT:
Two descendants have Y-DNA tested and are part of Group 4 of the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project.
IMAGE:
RIN 189060 Jacob Carpenter- SandyCreek Plat Map.jpg
Map of Sandy Creek with Jacob Carpenter, Wm Cain and David Jackson, brother to my George Jackson. This per Noel Geissmann (noelueli@bellsouth.net) - no date or year given on map.
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RECORDS: Louisiana records include, but are not limited to ...
French Colonial records 1699-1732
State / Territorial Census 1706, 1721, 1726
State Residential Census 1814, 1820, 1821
CENSUS: 1790 - not yet part of the US - Owned by Spain until 1800 then given to France.
CENSUS: 1800 - not yet part of the US - Owned by France until 1803 Louisiana Purchase.
CENSUS: 1810 US Census - This census was done in preparing for statehood which was granted in 1812.
NOTE:
The 1810 Census was taken beginning 6 Aug 1810, for 10 months. The following information, in addition to the name of the head of the household, was recorded by the census taker:
Free white males under 10
Free white males 10-16
Free white males 16-26
Free white males 26-45
Free white males 45 and over
Free white females under 10
Free white females 10-16
Free white females 16-26
Free white females 26-45
Free white females 45 and over
Others free or Indian
Slaves
CENSUS: 1810 US Census - Several found in New Orleans. Family group? Except A.?
Le Carpontier <---------------- see below & Oldest male 26-45 or born about 1765 to 1784
United States Census, 1810
residence: 1810 New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana, United States
S Carpantur <------- Oldest male 26-45 or born about 1765 to 1784
United States Census, 1810
residence: 1810 New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana, United States
A Charpentier <------- No males or females just 1 other
United States Census, 1810
residence: 1810 New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana, United States
Josp Le Carpentier <-- see below & 1 male 26-45 or born abt 1765 to 1784 and 1 male born bef 1784.*
United States Census, 1810
residence: 1810 New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana, United States
* Jacob?
Simon Charpentier <------- Oldest male 26-45 or born about 1765 to 1784
United States Census, 1810
residence: 1810 New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana, United States
CENSUS: 1810 - details on 2 noted above
Name: Le Carpontier <-------------------- Looks like Le Carpentier to me on image.
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1810
Event Place: New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana, United States
Note:
Page: 229
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M252
Affiliate Film Number: 10
GS Film Number: 0181355
Digital Folder Number: 005157067
Image Number: 00191
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1810", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XH2C-ZQM : 1 December 2015), Le Carpontier, 1810.
Males: _, 1, 1, 1,_ <------- Oldest male 26-45 or born about 1765 to 1784
Females: _, _, _, _, 1 <----- Oldest female 26-45
Other/Slaves 1, 2
SEE ALSO:
Name: Josp Le Carpentier <-------- Joseph
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1810
Event Place: New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana, United States
Note:
Page: 255
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M252
Affiliate Film Number: 10
GS Film Number: 0181355
Digital Folder Number: 005157067
Image Number: 00216
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1810", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XH2C-8XP : 1 December 2015), Josp Le Carpentier, 1810.
Note:
Males: _, _, _, 1, 1, <------- 1 male 26-45 or born about 1765 to 1784 and 1 male born before 1784.
Females: _, 1, _, 1, _ <----- Oldest female 26-45
Others: _, 10
Comment: Likely the father living with the son.
CENSUS: 1810 US Census - others
Isaac Carpenter
United States Census, 1810
residence: 1810 Opelousas, Louisiana, United States
Victorian Carpenter
United States Census, 1810
residence: 1810 Opelousas, Louisiana, United States
Antne Charpentier
United States Census, 1810
residence: 1810 St John the Baptist, Louisiana, United States
CENSUS: 1820 US Census - 2 Thomas Carpenters found! See below.
Note:
The 1820 Census was taken beginning 7 August 1820, for thirteen months. The following information, in addition to the name of the head of the household, was recorded by the census taker:
White Inhabitants[edit | edit source]
Free White Males under 10
Males 10-16
Males 16-18
Males 16-26
Males 26-45
Males 45 and over
Females same, but no 16-18
Slave Inhabitants
Slave Males under 14
Slave Males 14-26
Slave Males 26-45
Slave Males 45 and over
Slave Females same as Males
Free Colored Inhabitants
Free Colored Males under 14
Free Colored Males 14-26
Free Colored Males 26-45
Free Colored Males 45 and over
Free Colored Females same as Males
CENSUS: 1820 US Census - Results 1-20
Wm Carpenter
United States Census, 1820
residence: 1820 Red Wood Creek, Feliciana, Louisiana, United States
James Carpenter
United States Census, 1820
residence: 1820 Thompson Creek, Feliciana, Louisiana, United States
Thomas Carpenter <-------------------
United States Census, 1820
residence: 1820 Thompson Creek, Feliciana, Louisiana, United States
Mary Carpenter
United States Census, 1820
residence: 1820 East Baton Rouge, Louisiana, United States
Thomas Carpenter <-------------------- I assume this is the Thomas we are focused on.
United States Census, 1820
residence: 1820 East Baton Rouge, Louisiana, United States
Isaac Carpenter
United States Census, 1820
residence: 1820 St Landry, Louisiana, United States
Antoine Charpentier
United States Census, 1820
residence: 1820 Iberville, Iberville, Louisiana, United States
Joseph Cherpantier
United States Census, 1820
residence: 1820 St Mary, Louisiana, United States
Le Carpentier
United States Census, 1820
residence: 1820 New Orleans, New Orleans City, Louisiana, United States
Simon Charpentier
United States Census, 1820
residence: 1820 Orleans, Louisiana, United States
John The Baptist Charpente
United States Census, 1820
residence: 1820 Lafourche, Louisiana, United States
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BOOK:
EARLY SETTLERS OF EAST BATON ROUGE PARISH LOUISIANA
BY NOEL WOLSEFER GEISSMANN 2008
Noel Geissmann
190 Middle Pearl Drive
Slidell, La. 70461
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CHAPTER THREE
JACOB CARPENTER ca 1750-1760 WIFE UNKNOWN
(Note: This is what she sent as is.)
Jacob Carpenter appeared on the 1803 - On Personal Tax Roll-Washington County Mississippi Territory 1803-1905 WITH William Cain (neighbor in 1811 on Sandy Creek, La.)*Document
Add ref here:
At that time, only two population centers existed in the Mississippi Territory, Natchez on the Mississippi River, and the Tombigbee Settlements at the forks of the Tombigbee and Alabama Rivers. As a result, the area was divided into the Natchez District west of Pearl River and the Tombigbee or Mobile District east of Pearl River. Rewrite this or ref
Washington County, in the Tombigbee District, was created on June 4, 1800 by proclamation of Governor Winthrop Sargent of the Mississippi Territory, and named in honor of General George Washington. Its original boundaries extended 300 miles east to west and 88 miles north to south. Out of this area sixteen counties in Mississippi and twenty-nine counties in Alabama have since been formed. Rewrite this or ref
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Mississippi Census, 1805-90
about Jacob Carpenter
Name: Jacob Carpenter
State: MS
County: Mississippi Territory
Township: Petitioners
Year: 1803
Page: 285
Database: MS Early Census Index
Personal Tax Roll-Washington County Mississippi Territory
1803-1905
Cain, William *
Caller, James
Caller, John
Caller, Robert
Campbell, John
Campbell, Joseph
Carmon, Wilson
Carpenter, Jacob *
Carpenter, James *
Carpenter, John *
Carson, J.
Carson, Thomas
Carter, Hezekiah
Cartwright, Peter
Cassity, Charles
Cassity, James
Castro, Jullian
Celestin, Phillip
ChainLiy, Emanuel
Chambers, Joseph * Could this be related to Edmund Chambers?
Chastan, John
Chastang, Burns
Chastang, Joseph
Christmas, Nathaniel * Could this be related to Thomas, Henry C and Isaac Christmas
Christmas, Scott
Clark, John
I think it is important to follow the led above with John, James and Jacob Carpenter. I think they may be brothers.
James maybe the James killed in the steamboat explosion in La.
Second source Taxable Property 1805 Washington County Mississippi
Without William Cain
Compiled by Lisa R. Franklin RN, Apr/May 1998
KEY:
Column # - statistic represented
1. Free Male inhabitants above the age of 21 years.
2. Owner, Possessor of Persons Having the Care of Any Taxable Property.
3. House, Lots of Ground, Lands and Other Real Estate, Owned, Possessed or in the Care of such Person, with the Number of such Houses and Lots, the Quality and Situation of such Tracts of Land.
4. Actual Value of such Houses, Lots, Lands and Other Real Estate.
5. No. of Slaves above the age 7 yrs and under the age of 50 yrs
6. No. of horses, mares, colts, and mules above the age of 12 mths.
7. No. of black or horned cattle above the age of one year.
8. Aggregate Amount of the Vale of the property contained in the 3 preceding columns.
9. Aggregate Amound of the Value of all the foregoing Property, Real and Personal.
*NOTE: The remaining entries have no land description nor land taxation noted.
___________ - Baldwin, Elizabeth - 0,0,4,$32,$32
___________ - Caller, Robert - 2,2,0,$660,$660
___________ - Landrum, Caty - 0,1,2,6,$408,$408.
___________ - Morgan, Milley - 0,1,0,$30,$30
___________ - Murrell, William - 3,2,12,$1056,$1056
___________ - Myles, Priscilla - 1,1,12,$426,$426
___________ - Russell, Philadelphia- 0,0,0,5,$40,$40.
___________ - Tandy Walker - 0,0,0,25,$200,$200
___________ -, Gin, Drucilla-0,0,1,$8,$8
____________ - Honer Robbins - 0,4,7,65,$1930,$1930
Abner, John Jacob - Abner, John Jacob - 0,2,64,$572,$572
Baker, Ephraim - Baker, Ephraim - 0,1,23,$214,$214
Baker, Thomas - ___________ -no data enered for this person
Baldwin, Benjamin - Baldwin, Benjamin - 0,1,5,$70,$70
Baldwin, Mordecai - Baldwin, Mordecai - 0,2,4,k$92,$92
Barbary, Otto V. - Barbary, Otto V. - 0,1,0,$30,$30
Bates, Joseph Jr. - Bates, Joseph Jr. - 1,2,9,$432,$432
Bates, Thomas Jr. - Bates, Thomas Jr. - 0,3,36,$378,$378
Bevan, James - ___________ -(no data entered)
Bilbo, James - Bilbo, James-3,2,22, $1136,$1136
Bilbo, Thomas - Bilbo, Thomas - 0,1,0,$30,$30
Bittis, John P. - Bittis, John P. - 0,1,0,$30,$30
Bittis, Richard - Bittis, Richard - 0,1,0,$30,$30
Blackman, Bennel -0,1,2,$46,$46
Boyakin, Kinchen - Boyakin, Kinchen - 0,1,0,$30,$30
Boyakin, Solomon - Boyakin, Solomon - 0,3,14,$202,$202
Brewer, George Sr. - ___________ - (no data entered)
Briers, Lazarus - Briers, Lazarus - 0,2,0,$60,$60
Brightwell, Theodore - Brightwell, Theodore - 3,2,0,$960,$960
Bryan, Richard S. - Bryan, Richard S.-0,0,3,$24,$24
Buford, John - Buford, John - 0,1,0,$30,$30
Bullock, Josiah - Bullock, Josiah-2,0,0,$600,$600
Burgiss, John - ___________ -(no data entered)
Caller, John - Caller, John-11,6,11,$3568,$3568
Card, William - Car, William - 0,3,0, $90,$90
Carpenter, Jacob - Carpenter, Jacob -- 0,8,60,$720,$720
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1811 Settled in the fork Big Sandy Creek and Little Sandy Creek area of East Baton Rouge, La. early 1811. This is near the Liberty Road. He could have settled there earlier but the paperwork does not list it until 1811. See Joseph Clayton’s chapter on his settlement in 1807.
*Document Owned land next to William Cain and David Jackson. See Township maps T5S R2E
I think that William Cain’s wife, Mary Carpenter, is related to this Jacob Carpenter. I think Jacob is her father but it could be that he is her brother. More research is needed. There are two other Carpenters with Jacob and William Cain in the Ms Terr. , James Carpenter and John Carpenter.
The reason I think Jacob is her father is because of the 1830 census.
1830 Census East BR
Jacob 70/80 living with male 40/50 (son Thomas or Jacob)
3201110001 000110001
I think old Jacob settled the land and Jacob, Jr. and his wife, Mary F. Hubbs Carpenter b ca 1789 also lived there. Later, Mary F. Carpenter sells 600 acres to her two children. Lewis Hubbs Carpenter and Sarah Carpenter Cook each received 300 acres. And later Lewis Hubbs Carpenter sell 150 acres of his 300 acres to his first cousin, Mary Carpenter b. 1794, and her husband Isaac T. Browning, Jr. My line
Jacob Jr. would have been the brother to another Mary Carpenter b. 1787 who married William Cain.
Jacob also owned other pieces of land near the Sandy Creek land ON THE Amite River.
1 arpent = 0.84628 acre
Children of Old Jacob
Mary Carpenter b. 1787 m. William Cain b. 1780
William Cain was with Jacob in Ms Territory in 1803 - 1805 and settled next to him on Big Sandy Creek ca 1811.
Willaim Cain and Mary Carpenter Cain had four children listed in their Probate of 1836. James T Cain m. Elizabeth A Jackson.
Ann Cain married first Rev. Spoor, she was widowed two weeks later, she then married David Gorman whom she was married to at the time of the Probate, and after being widowed again many years later, she married a third time to John Burton.
Mary Cain m. Edmound Jackson.
Elizabeth Betsy Cain m. Joseph Clayton who owned property across the Amite River in St Helena which is Livingston Parish today along the eastern side of the Amite.
Later James T Cain and Elizabeth traded land with the Allen family and lived also in this area in what is today Denham Springs, Livingston Parish, La. They lived near the Chambers Cemetery. Also located nearby was the Thomas Christmas family.
Jacob Carpenter, Jr. b. ca 1790 m. Mary F. Hubbs b. ca 1790 married ca. 1805 in Ms Territory Alabama. See birth info on daughter, Sarah born Ms Territory Alabama 1805.
Sarah married unknown Cook. Her children were William Cook b 1828 and Sarah Cook b 1825.
Son, Lewis Hubbs Carpenter b. 1812 m. Mary Wright and second Louisa Hubbs (Probably a cousin) Lewis had Thomas, William, James, Michael, Eunice, Sarah, Mary Frances, Lewis H, Jr., and Henry and possibly others.
What is important here is to make sure that Jacob Jr was not the original settler on the Bib Sandy Creek. I think he was too young to be in Ms. Terr. In 1803 1805 and that even settle in 1811 in La. I think it was Jacob Sr.
I do not have a document showing how this land became Jacob Jr.’s. However, I do have Mary F. Hubbs Carpenter selling 600 acres, 300 to daughter (stated as her daughter) Sarah Cook and 300 acres to Lewis Hubbs Carpenter. This was in Jan 1837. I assume that Jacob Jr. had died. I cannot find a probate.
This is the Sandy Creek Carpenter family. However, in Dec 1837, Lewis Hubbs Carpenter sold half of his 300 acres, 150 acres, to Isaac Browning, Jr. His wife is Mary Carpenter who is the daughter of Thomas Carpenter Sr., and Elizabeth Rainey, of the Blackwater Carpenters. Coincidence or were the two families related?
1850 Census
1850 EBR Census listed with children Carpenter
Patricia 55
Philip 28 b 1822 see file
Mary, 30
Lydia 22
Thomas 21
Joseph 18
Alfrade 11 (This is Alfred Dalton Carpenter, son of Mary age 30 above)
ALSO living with her is Isaac Browning age 19 and Rebecca Street
and
Next door is Isaac's brother, Albert C. Browning and wife, Ellen McColloch
Next door is Mary Carpenter Browning age 56, widow of Isaac T. Browning. She is sister to Phillip's father, Thomas Carpenter
1860 census EBR
Patience age 88 living with son, Josiah Carpenter check age above
Next door is sons,
Phillip and wife Elize
Thomas J Carpenter and wife DIANA SHAFFER CARPENTER, daughter of Frederick Shaffer and Elizabeth Winter
WHO IS REBECCA STREET related to Patience Waltman??
1860 EBR census Patience Carpenter is living with son, Josiah, and next door to grandson, Alfred Carpenter and family and son, Phillip and son, Thomas J with his wife Diana (Shaffer) Carpenter.
1900 Ascension Census Patience Carpenter living with son.
THOMAS CARPENTER B. CA 1770, AND WIFE, ELIZABETH RAINEY
A second son of Jacob Sr is Thomas Carpenter that married Elizabeth Rainey. I think he came to Louisiana before his father. He was here by 1802. He is listed on the ledger of Cochran and Rae. In1805 he is a witness in a document concerning the shooting of a cow. He lived a few miles northeast of his father on the Comite River. Land ####. He sold that land ????
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This involves the land on Big and Little Sandy Creeks, William Cain, Jacob Carpenter and David Jackson all lived on adjacent land. I think this Thomas Carpenter is the son of Old Jacob and is on the 1820 census. I am a Jackson, Cain and Carpenter
Parish Judges Books I page 34 Sale January 12, 1821
East Baton Rouge Parish, Louisiana
Thomas Carpenter to David, Jackson, vendee No. 36
State of Louisiana Parish of East Baton Rouge
Know all men by these presents that I Thomas Carpenter of the said Parish for the consideration of the sum of fifty dollars to me in hand paid by David Jackson of the aforesaid Parish, I do hereby bargin sell and deliver a certain improvement situated on little Sandy Creek about a half a mile from the conjunction. The said improvement I warrant and defend to the said David Jackson, against all my heirs or executors. I hereunto set my hand and seal, this 26th November 1820 (signed)
Thomas Carpinter (L.S.) Test. Wm Cain = Jacob
Carpinter = The foregoing bill of sale was duly
acknowledged before me the undersigned Judge
of the Parish of East Baton Rouge this fifteen
of January eighteen hundred & twenty one =
Ch Tessier P. J.
Recorded this 12 January 1821
Ch Tessier
P J
Transcribed Jan 2008
Noel Geissmann
JACOB CARPENTER, JR.b ca 1785 (Tensaw Child) (Jacob)
AND WIFE MARY F HUBBS b ca 1789
1811 Settled in the fork Big Sandy Creek and Little Sandy Creek area of East Baton Rouge, La. early 1811. This is near the Liberty Road.
*DocumentOwned land next to William Cain and David Jackson. See Township maps T5S R2E
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1830 EBR census age 30 - 40
also living with Jacob is probably his father, 60-70 age
A Jacob Carpenter - Signed as family or friend for David Jackson's children for tutorship. Undertutor was Isaac Browning married to Mary Carpenter, who was the daughter of Thomas Carpenter and Elizabeth Rainey. My line
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1831 Jan 14
Jacob and Mary Carpenter (Jacob and Mary F Hubbs Carpenter I think) where taken to court owing $143.46 which they signed a note to pay.
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FAMILY AND FRIEND MEETING FOR DAVID JACKSON'S CHILDREN (JACOB WAS A NEIGHBOR)
1834 July 24
17
State of Louisiana
Parish of East Baton Rouge
On this twenty fourth of July, eighteen hundred & thirty four were regularly convened before the undersigned Parish Judge & ex officio Judge of the Court of Probates for this Parish Messrs, Jacob Carpenter, Thomas Jackson, Joseph Pullian, Rowling Thomas & John Vining?, being the nearest relatives & friends of the minor children of the late David Jackson of this Parish deceased via: Thomas, William, John, Jewett, Polly, Hannah & Elizabeth Jackson, at the request of John Kerr for the purpose of approving the appointment of said Kerr as tutor to said minor children, and the security to be offered for the faithful administration of said trust. When, the said Judge administered to the members of said meeting the oath provided for by Law:
They took up the subject and discussed the interest of said minors
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then the members of the meeting were of opinion that the appointment of said Kerr was proper & con? , & that William Carpenter offered by said Kerr as his security is good & sufficient to receive/secure? a faithful administration for the trust & protect the interest of the minors & of the creditors. And Isaac Browning the under tutor of the minor children of the late David Jackson present at the meeting offered no objection to the foregoing deliberations.
Whereupon the meeting was closed. Jacob Carpenter Thomas Jackson & Isaac Browning not knowing to write made their mark
His his
Isaac X Browning Jacob X Carpenter
Mark mark
His
Thomas "T" Jackson
Mark
Ch. Tessier Joseph Pullian
P J Rawland Thomas
John Vining
*Note "T" is the mark for Thomas Jackson here
Transcribed by Noel Geissmann
August 2000
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Thomas Carpenter Sr. with the 1802 blotter and Spanish 1806 land document for 500 arpents. The Land Claims map shows Thomas Carpenter on the east side of Comite River at the northern end of Blackwater Road near the Zachary area. This may be that land or not for the 500 arpents. His wife was Elizabeth Rainey.
His daughter, Mary Carpenter b. 1794 is also my line. And documented. Her marriage record lists her parents as Thomas Carpenter and Elizabeth Rainey. (There was a William Rainey in The Ms Terr. With Jacob C and Wm Cain. In 1805.
Mary Browning and her son, Isaac Browning2Jr. lived in 1804-1807 on the east bank of the Amite River near what is now Watson, La. Joseph Clayton obtained the land after her. See documents.
If you look at a map of the area, if you cross the Amite River you are very near William Cain’s property and just across Sandy Creek to the northwest is the land of Jacob Carpenter, who was Mary Carpenter’s grandfather. You can see how Isaac Browning2Jr. and Mary Carpenter met.
I had wondered why Isaac Browning and Mary 1794 buy land from Lewis Hubbs Carpenter and move right in the middle of this other Carpenter family? It is because Lewis Hubbs Carpenter was her first cousin, son of Jacob Jr. and also a grandson of Jacob Sr.
May 21, 1837
Judges Books P p.374 shows where her Mary F. Carpenter sold 300 acres to each Sarah Carpenter Cook and Lewis H Carpenter.
Then seven month later, LH sells 150 acres to Isaac Browning, Jr. Isaac is married to yet another Mary Carpenter b. 1794, daughter of Thomas Carpenter and Elizabeth Rainey.
DEC 18 1837
VENDEE VENDOR
Browning, Isaac T L H Carpenter S & M j p 445 Dec 18 1837
Recorded this 11th Dec 1837
Ch Tessier P J
Before me Charles Tessier Parish Judge & Notary Public in and for the Parish of East Baton Rouge State of Louisiana, personally came & appeared L. H. Carpenter of this Parish who declares that he has granted bargained & sold & by these presence does grant, bargain &_sell convey unto Isaac T. Browning of the same Parish, a certain tract or parcel of land of his property situated on Sandy Creek Spring at about 21 miles east of Baton Rouge, measuring one hundred and fifty superficial acres, bounded west by Joer, East by the road leaving from Baton Rouge to Liberty, North by land of Sarah Cook & South by the seller, which piece of land is part of a larger tract he bought of Mary Carpenter by act on Record in this office.
To have and to hold unto the said Isaac T Browning his heirs and assigns the above described tract of land for ever, with general warranty.
The present conveyance is made for and in consideration of the sum of six hundred dollars of which two hundred dollars were paid in hand the receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged and the balance of four hundred dollars is to be paid by the purchaser in two equal payments of two hundred dollars the first payable in the month of January 1839 the last in the month of January 1840, for which amount the said Browning subscribed his two Notes which he delivered to the seller who acknowledged the same, which Notes I have signed Ne varietur to identify the same it being understood that the land sold by these presence shall remain mortgaged to receive the payment of said sum as aforesaid.
And the said I. T. Browning being here present accepts this sale made in his favor under the conditions therein set forth & waives the protection of a certificate from the Recorder of mortgage.
In witness whereof the parties have hereto set their names with me & in the presence of ?? Jackson & James Johnston witness at Baton Rouge this eighteenth of December eighteen hundred & thirty seven.
J Jackson L. H. Carpenter
James Johnston I. T. Browning
Ch Tessier
P J
Sarah sell all 300 acres on 2/29/1840.
EBR, La. Notorial Books M p. 177 2/29/1840
Shows the Sarah Cook sell to Ozem Woodruff, Sr., vendee and that Mary F. Carpenter is her mother. Have document Sells 300 acres Big Sandy Creek Spring.
SARAH CARPENTER COOK
1850 census
Sarah Cook age
Sarah daughter age 25
William son age 28
living next door to her brother, Lewis Hubbs Carpenter
also a neighbor is Wm Campbell, born North Carolina, Pullen, Brown, Spence
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1860 United States Federal Census
about Sarah Cook
Name: Sarah Cook
Age in 1860: 55
Birth Year: abt 1805
Birthplace: Alabama
Home in 1860: East Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Gender: Female
Post Office: Baton Rouge
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members: Name Age
Isaiah Tucker 44
Melissa Tucker 25
Edmund D Tucker 9
Wm T Tucker 7
Isaiah Tucker 5
Anna M Tucker 3
Jas M Tucker 11.12
Anna Holmes 61
Wm M Westbrook 13
Caroline M Westbrook 11
Jas M Tucker 40
Sarah Cook 55
Mary F Pullum 16
also a neighbor is Wm Campbell, born North Carolina, Pullen so still in the same place
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I think William Cook and his mother moved to Lamar Tx after the War Between the States.
U.S. Federal Census Mortality Schedules, 1850-1880
about Sarah Cook
Name: Sarah Cook
Gender: Female
Race: White
Marital Status: Widowed
Place of Birth: Alabama
Estimated birth year: abt 1805
Age: 65
Month of Death: Mar
Cause of Death: Pneumonia
Place of Death: (City, County, State)
Precinct 1, Grayson, Texas
Census Year: 1870
Note: after the civil war
If Sarah is born in 1805 in Ms Terr., then her mother, Mary F. Hubbs, had to be at least 15 and therefore b. ca 1790. Lewis H. was born in La. in 1812. Remember they settled Sandy Creek with Jacob, Sr. in 1811.
1. DNA test done on Murray Carpenter (Herman Leon,Phillip,Phillip,Phillip,Thomas,Thomas,Jacob, Sr)
Old Jacob Carpenter b. ca 1750 settled Sandy Creek, EBR, La. Settled Big Sandy Creek, La. 1811
Positive from here below
Thomas Sr. b. ca 1770 d aft 1821 Sandy Creek, EBR, La.m. Elizabeth Rainey Settled La. 1805
Thomas Jr. b. ca 1790 d Dec 9 1841 EBR, La. m. Patience Waltman of SC
Phillip b 1822. Mar 18 1887 EBR, La m. Eliza Jane McCullock
Phillip D b. 1860 EBR, La. d 1914 Livingston, La. m Mary Jane Chemin
Phillip David b 1889 EBR d. 1950 Livingston, La. m. Allie Kimbill
Herman Leon b. 1916 Livingston d.1976 Livingston, La.
Living Carpenter
2. Noel Geissmann My Carpenter line No1:
Old Jacob Carpenter b. ca 1750 settled Sandy Creek, EBR, La. Settled Big Sandy Creek, La. 1811
Positive from here below
Thomas Sr. b. ca 1770 d aft 1821 Sandy Creek, EBR, La.m. Elizabeth Rainey Settled La. 1805 See his sister, Mary, for my line 2.
Mary Carpenter b. 1794 known as Maria in the Spanish Records married Isaac Browning (Downey in Spanish records) in 1809 in Baton Rouge, La.
Isaac Browning b. 1832 married Mary Margaret Robinson Baton Rouge from here on down
Susie Eliza Browning my grandmother
3. Noel Geissmann My Carpenter line No. 2
Old Jacob Carpenter b. ca 1750 settled Sandy Creek, EBR, La. Settled Big Sandy Creek, La. 1811
Mary Carpenter b. 1787 married William Cain b. 1786 and were in Tensaw, Al I think. Settled next door to Jacob Carpenter in Sandy Creek, La. in 1811
James T. Cain, b 1815 m. Elizabeth Jackson
Martha F. Cain b 1839 m. Frederick Shaffer Jr b. 1828
Henry H Shaffer b. 1877 my grandfather m. Susie Eliza Browning
4. Matched 25/25 with
Ray Carpenter (Ronald,John Henry, James L, Lewis Hubbs, Jacob Jr., Jacob, Sr.) He lives in Gulfport, Ms. His research does match mine for having an Old Jacob. I am from Old Jacob’s daughter, Mary, Murray would be from Old Jacob’s son, Thomas Sr. and Ray would be from Old Jacob’s son, Jacob, Jr. who married Mary Frances Hubbs Carpenter.
I SEE NO OTHER WAY THAT WE COULD MATCH WITH THE DNA TESTING
5. We also matched 24/25 with Wade Carpenter from Tattnall Co., Ga. We need to connect with him as I think Old Jacob came from SC through Ga to Alabama Ms Territory and on to Sandy Creek, La.
My early impression on Wade is that Thomas may have been a brother to the Robert Carpenter that had children named Josiah and Lydia. See my notes on these names.
* Newer dna info. I match on ftdna with Georgia English and she is in Wade’s family.
THOMAS CARPENTER B. CA 1795
JAMES CARPENTER
____________ - Lemuel Henry for James Carpenter - 1000 acres of land 1st quality situate on the East side Alabama River, no improvement thereon, assessed to 2 dollars and 50 cents per acre. $2500- $4727.50, 13, 6, 12, $4176, $8903.5
Possible: Richard, Caleb and Joseph Carpenter info related??
son of Richard, James
Early Settlers of Mississippi as Taken from Land Claims in the Mississippi Territory
Witness, Daniel Whitaker , sworn, says, that Richard Carpenter , the patentee, died previous to the 27th of October, 1795 ; and that his son, James Carpenter , the devisee and claimant, was a resident in the Mississippi territory on the 27th of October, 1795 .
Early Settlers of Mississippi as Taken from Land Claims in the Mississippi Territory
I do certify, that the above is a true extract from the journal of the Board of Commissioners, for lands west of Pearl River , in the claim of James Carpenter , under a Spanish patent to his father, legally and fully executed.
A James Carpenter was killed in a steamboat accident on the Mississippi River.
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The following seems part of the above. Maybe an earlier or later chapter?
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EARLY SETTLERS OF EAST BATON ROUGE PARISH, LOUISIANA
Some of the early settlers in East Baton Rouge Parish, Louisiana lived along the Amite and Comite Rivers and the Big and Little Sandy Creeks. This book is primarily about my family and their extended families. Brashears, Browning, Cain, Carpenter, Jackson,, Rainey, Robinson, Shaffer, and Taylor. Extended family names are Barrow, Clayton, Gorman, Hamby, Heaton, Rainey, Sides and Waltman.
Another important and interesting fact regarding these settlers is that many of them passed through the Tensaw Big Tombigbee River area of Washington County Alabama in the late 1780s to 1806. Some stayed two years and some longer. Most of these families were Protestant. The Spanish controlled this area at that time and the children were baptized by the Catholic Church. They were listed as Protestant. The children are listed on the 1788 and 1789 baptisms. A note of interest is that Samuel Mims was listed on many lists with them. You may want to read about the Mims Massacre at Fort Mims Alabama.
It is also important to understand that some spellings of names were different when translated into Spanish. An example being Browning/Downey.
To understand many of the connections between these families, it helps to recognize the common factor of being a child in Tensaw during these years. I have therefore labeled these children as (Tensaw child).
James Jackson and wife Hannah Johnston/Johnson
George Washington Jackson (Tensaw child)and wife Sarah Brashears,
James Jackson, Jr. (Tensaw child) and wife Eunice West
David Jackson (Tensaw child)
Michael Thomas Jackson (Tensaw child) and wife Mary Barrow.
William Cain, Jr. (Tensaw child) and wife, Mary Carpenter b1787 (Tensaw child)
James T. Cain and wife, Elizabeth A. Jackson
Jacob Carpenter and wife unknown
Jacob Carpenter Jr. and wife Mary F Hubbs Carpenter (ca 1789)
Thomas Carpenter ca 1760 and wife Elizabeth Rainey b ca 1760
daughter, Mary Carpenter b. 1794 m. Isaac Browning, Jr. b1784 (Tensaw child)
Thomas Carpenter, Jr. and wife, Patience Waltman
Isaac Browning, Jr. (Tensaw child) and wife, Mary Carpenter b. 1794
Benjamin Browning and wife, Mary Taylor
Isaac Browning, Sr. and wife, Sarah Hamby
Phillip Waltman
Peter Sides (Seitz) and wife Barbara Carpenter and their sons, John Sides and wife Judith Powers, Jacob Sides and wife Ellender Barrow and James Sides and wife Dorothea Keyes. This chapter will be written by Martha Hardcastle.
Jonathan Kirkendall and wife Elizabeth Sides. Written by Martha Hardcastle.
Because there are so many Mary Carpenters and Thomas Carpenters I have listed their date of birth or approximate date of birth and their spouse to keep them separated.
John Turnbull and Catherine Ruckers settled in the Plains. Rubin Barrow settled Opalousus, St. Landry Parish. Other family names that may have settled are Sullivan, Bailey, Baker, Brashears, Alexander McCoullough, White, Morgan and Lee.
Several DNA tests have been done with family members. I manage all of them.
Brashears, mtdna test female tester
Browning, ydna test male tester
Cain, ydna test, male tester
Carpenter ydna test, male tester
Shaffer, ydna test, male tester
Wolsefer, ydna and mtdna test, male tester
Noel ftdna test
Noel
EMAIL:
From: Noel geissmann mailto:noelueli@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:13 AM
To: John R Carpenter mailto:jrcrin001@cox.net>
Subject: NOEL I am related to Barbara Carpenter m. Peter Sides/Seitz. She was the daughter of CZ Christian Carpenter and settled in Baton Rouge and lived and was part of our family
I think this is my Jacob Carpenter that settled in Greenwell Springs and father of Mary Carpenter.
I THINK BARBARA CARPENTER AND MY OLD JACOB CARPENTER WHERE FIRST COUSINS
BARBARA WAS THE D/O OF CZ CHRISTIAN CARPENTER AND I THINK MY OLD JACOB WAS THE S/O OF HIS BROTHER, EMANUEL. CHRISTIAN AND EMANUEL WERE THE CHILDREN OF SALOME RUFFNER FORNEY AND HANS CARPENTER/ZIMMERMAN
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May be the Jacob in Duharts Creek, Ga. in Dennis' research living near Jackson, Browning, Heaton. Jefferson Co. Ga. May have been a loyalist and left Ga. in 1776.
I think Old Jacob travelled from Ga. to Washington County, Alabama 1803-05 and is listed as No. 10 on the east bank of the Big Tombigbee River. Friends also living on the west bank that later traveled with him to La. were William Cain, James Jackson, Christmas ,William Raney, Maybe Richard -Bethears. I think Old Jacob connects to our dna match with Wade Carpenter in Ga. this way. See "Mobile Land Grants 1710-1795". Note also James and John Carpenter was listed on the Washington Cy Ms. Territory roll
Old Jacob b ca 1750 was the father of at least three children. Settled Sandy Creek 1811.
1. My Mary b. 1787 who married William Cain - to me Settled Sandy Creek 1811 and lived next door to her father, Jacob.
2. Thomas Sr b ca. 1770 m. Elizabeth Rainey to Thomas Jr. m. Patience Waltman on to dna test person Murray Carpenter (from Phillips Line) YOU are from Mary Ann Carpenter, sister of Phillip and test line
ALSO Me is daughter Mary Carpenter b 1794 m. Isaac Browning Jr.
3. Jacob Jr. b. ca 1785 m. Mary F Hubbs ߝ Lewis H. on to second dna test person, Ray Carpenter
Murray Carpenter and Ray match 25/25 markers.
DNA test Oct 31, 2008 sample by Murray Carpenter as follows:
I am 25/25 with Ray and 24/25 with Wade in Group 4.
I am a Carpenter by two splits from the male line through their sisters.
Murray Carpenter is a cousin and took the test for me. This is our line:
Jacob Carpenter b. ca 1750 settled Sandy Creek, EBR, La. Settled Big Sandy Creek, La. 1811
Thomas Sr. b. ca 1770 d aft 1821 Sandy Creek, EBR, La.m. Elizabeth Rainey Settled La. 1805
Thomas Jr. b. ca 1790 d Dec 9 1841 EBR, La. m. Patience Waltman of SC
Phillip b 1822. Mar 18 1887 EBR, La m. Eliza Jane McCullock
Phillip D b. 1860 EBR, La. d 1914 Livingston, La. m Mary Jane Chemin
Phillip David b 1889 EBR d. 1950 Livingston, La. m. Allie Kimbill
Herman Leon b. 1916 Livingston d.1976 Livingston, La.
Living Carpenter
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My research shows two families of Carpenters in the early settlers. They are related. I call the Thomas Carpenter and Elizabeth Rainey family that settled north of the end of Blackwater Road near Zachary, the Blackwater Carpenter Family. I call the Jacob Carpenter family that settled in the fork of the Big Sandy Creek and Little Sandy Creek the Sandy Creek Carpenter Family.
DNA testing done in Oct 2008 was done with Murray Carpenter providing the sample. His line is as follows:
Old Jacob Carpenter b. ca 1750 settled Sandy Creek, EBR, La. Settled Big Sandy Creek, La. 1811
Thomas Sr. b. ca 1770 d aft 1821 Sandy Creek, EBR, La.m. Elizabeth Rainey Settled La. 1805
Thomas Jr. b. ca 1790 d Dec 9 1841 EBR, La. m. Patience Waltman of SC
Phillip b 1822. Mar 18 1887 EBR, La m. Eliza Jane McCullock
Phillip D b. 1860 EBR, La. d 1914 Livingston, La. m Mary Jane Chemin
Phillip David b 1889 EBR d. 1950 Livingston, La. m. Allie Kimbill
Herman Leon b. 1916 Livingston d.1976 Livingston, La.
Living Carpenter
I have two Carpenter lines. The first that follows Murray Carpenter’s DNA test is as follows:
Old Jacob Carpenter b. ca 1750 settled Sandy Creek, EBR, La. Settled Big Sandy Creek, La. 1811
Thomas Sr. b. ca 1770 d aft 1821 Sandy Creek, EBR, La.m. Elizabeth Rainey Settled La. 1805
Mary Carpenter b. 1794 m. Isaac Browning, Jr.
Isaac Taylor Browning b. 1832 m. Mary Margaret Robinson
Susie Eliza Browning m. Henry Harrison Shaffer
Susie Lee Shaffer b. 1910 m. Robert Wesley Wolsefer, Jr.
Because the YDNA test only follows the male line, I had to have Murray take the test for me.
My second Carpenter line is as follows:
Old Jacob Carpenter b. ca 1750 settled Sandy Creek, EBR, La. Settled Big Sandy Creek, La. 1811
Daughter Mary Carpenter b. 1787 m. William Cain and settled next door on Big Sandy Creek, La. 1811
James Thomas Cain b. 1815 m. Elizabeth Jackson
Martha Francis Cain m. Frederick M. Shaffer, Jr.
Henry Harrison Shaffer b. 18?? M. Susie Eliza Browning b.
Susie Lee Shaffer b. 1910 m. Robert Wesley Wolsefer, Jr.
My thought is that Mary Carpenter Cain b. ca 1787, daughter of Old Jacob Carpenter b. Ca 1750, and Thomas Carpenter, Sr. ca 1771 are siblings.
I descend from both of these families. First through Blackwater’s Thomas detailed below through his daughter, Mary Carpenter b. 1794 who married Isaac Browning (Downy). See attached Baton Diocese Letter of Explanation on the difference in the names.
I descend through the second family through Sandy Creek ‘s Jacob Carpenter b. ca 1760 through his daughter, Mary Carpenter b. ca 1787, who married William Cain and through their son, James T. Cain. This Mary Carpenter Cain and her husband, William Cain, settled on land next to her father. Their Probate lists their children. This Jacob Sr. and William Cain were together in 1805 on the Taxable Property List in Washington County, Mississippi Territory. William Rainey was also listed. William Cain and Jacob Carpenter were also listed on the Personal Tax Roll-Washington Couty Mississippi Territory 1803-1905 along with James and John Carpenter.
This William Rainey could be Elizabeth Rainey’s father. This is just speculation as she is the Blackwater Carpenters. If Thomas Sr. is the son of Jacob Sr, then he and Elizabeth settled in 1805 with maybe her brother, Joseph Raney, while both her father, William Rainey, and Thomas’ father, Jacob Sr. stayed in Ms. Territory until later. This is possible but not proven.
These two lines intermarry when Henry Harrison Shaffer married Susie Eliza Browning.
Henry was from the Sandy Creek line and Susie was from the Blackwater line.
E-MAIL:
From: Noel geissmann mailto:noelueli@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:09 AM
To: John R Carpenter mailto:jrcrin001@cox.net>
Subject: more document Carpenter Noel Mary Carpenter b 1787
MARY CARPENTER B 1787
1820census see husband, William Cain
1830 census see husband, William Cain
One huge reason to believe that Mary 1787 m. William Cain is that the lived next door to Jacob Carpenter m Mary Yount in the fork of the Big and Little Sandy Creeks
1836
Ref: Noel Geissmann
1836 Probate for both William Cain and Mary Carpenter Cain
ALSO NOTE THAT MARY IS THE MOTHER OF THE CHILDREN AS STATED BELOW THAT THEY ARE ANCESTORS OF BOTH PARENTS.
Land Claims Public Land Cert. #52 for Section 37, 5S2E lists 574.30 acres. Original settler
FLAT FILE PROBATE
JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT
PARISH OF EAST BATON ROUGE
STATE OF LOUISIANA
H.M. MIKE CANNON, Clerk of Court
SUCCESSION
OF
WILLIAM AND MARY CANE
DATED FILED AUGUST 22, 1836
Transcribed by
Noel Geissmann
July 2005
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To the Honorable the Judge of the District
Court of the State of Louisiana holding
Sessions in the third Judicial District in
The petition of Joseph Clayton, Elizabeth Cane, wife of Joseph ascribed by her said husband residing in the Parish of Livingston. Ann Cane and David German (Gorman) her husband residing in the parish of St. Helena and James Caine residing in the Parish of East Baton Rouge, respectfully represents That your petitioners, and Mary Cane residing I the parish of Livingston wife of Edmond Jackson Are owners in common of a certain tract of land situated in the parish of East Baton Rouge on the waters of Sandy Creek containing five hundred and eighty acres that said tract of land com? In part the community of ? and gains which existed between William Cane and Mary Carpenter both deceased the ancestors of your petitioners ߝ That Joseph Clayton one of your petitioners purchased from William Cane decd in his life time, his undivided half of the aforesaid tract of land ߝ That the other undivided half of the aforesaid tract of land belongs in common to your petitioners Elizabeth Cane, wife of Joseph Clayton; Ann Cane wife of David German and James Cane and to Mary Cane wife of Edmond Jackson made defendants in this suit residing in the Parish of Livingston by rights of inheritance from their deceased mother Mary Carpenter wife of William Cane being the legitimate and sole heirs - Your petitioners are desirious that a definitive partition should be made of the aforesaid tract of land ߝ Wherefore your petitioners prey that Mary Cane wife of Edmond Jackson residing in the Parish of Livingston may be cited? With her said husband in due course of law to answer the ? in which it is described to be made that this Honorable Court decree a partition of said land and that such other thing be done as the law may require and the nature of the court demand.
Signed J. M. Elan
Atty for Pets
Filed March 23, 1836
M. Moreno ?
June 18, 1836
The heirs of William Cane seeks to have a definitive partition of a tract of land which they inherited from their ancestor ߝ Is appearing to the Court that no pp?tion has been made to the same ߝ It is ordered adjudged and decreed that a definitive partition be made of said land by a Judicial sale and that the land be ?referred to the Honorable Charles Tessier Notary Public ߝ and that he proceed to a sale and partition thereof agreeable to law
Signed ? R. Ivnes
Judge ? sitting in the
3rd District
A true Copy of the original on file and on record in my office
M. Moreno ?
obate No. 615 Flat File
Probate
Parish of East Baton Rouge, La.
Succession of William and Mary Cane
August 22, 1836
Page 18
In East Batton Rouge
To the onorable Judge
These few lines will inform
You that my self and the
Rest of the airs Wishes you
To fetch on the sail of that
Land which we pitishened for
The airs of Wm Cain
James T Cain
Transcribed by
Noel Geissmann
July 2005
NOTE SIGNATURE AS JAMES T CAIN
ref: Noel
atDNA testing showed a match between Noel Wolsefer, Barbara Forrest (Sharky) (Shaffer) Carroll, and Kathy Babin (Alred Dalton Carpenter. All three of us connect with Mary Carpenter, m. to William Cain, Jr. Mary's father was possibly Old Jacob Carpenter of Sandy Creek, La. and William Cain's father was William Cain, Sr. the Loyalist.