OCCUPATION: "kept General Wolfe" Inn. Manager of Coventry Cooperative Society.
BAPTISM: Per A. Murphy Records, baptised at St Lawrence in Foleshill.
BURIAL: Place: St Paul Foleshill Warwickshire at age 55.
MARRIAGE: Certificate - spouse, age 18, spinster, Brick Kiln Lane, father is
James Herbert, labourer.
William and Sarah Ann managed the General Wolfe Inn for 13 years until the
lease was passed over to Elijah Strong.E-MAIL:
From: mentora rex mailto: mentora.rex@hotmail.com
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2024 1:36 AM
To: email:
Subject: Male Descendants John Carpenter 1854 to 1821
Dear John
I had not tracked all the Carpenter Descendants only those that were directly attached to my Herbert Family Tree and then only so far. (William Carpenter married my 2 Great Grandmother's sister (Srash Ann Herbert) and Edwin Carpente, William's Cousin, then married my 2 Great Grandmother's niece Sarah Sanders)
So I have taken time to fill in the many gaps. It then took quite a white to check it and write it up what I'd found.
Attached my "report" on what I managed to glean
I cannot positively identify any male descendants for John, his father or his grandfather but I have identified 6 possible lines of enquiry.
All require a lot more research and would need to purchase birth marriage and death certificates to prove descent.
Hope this is useful and if there are any typos or any mistakes apologies
Sue Lomas
BIRTH: Source: certificate at Sowe 1 December 1842.
DEATH:Source: probate to John Carpenter currier and Robert Ernest
Williams, schoolmaster. -540:8:3.
NAME: Known as "Nip."
DEATH:Source: attribution needs support - see note on spouse.
BURIAL: Source: will left -1457 - son Francis Herbert executor.
OCCUPATION: Iron Moulder.
DEATH:Certificate: of 24 Silver St. Coventry - by gas poisoning by falling
accidently in a gas oven following an attack of dizziness - received from
coroner.
!MARRIAGE: Susannah's father is William Carpenter (dec), Licensed Victualler.
residing at Luton House Cox Street. Wit. John Carpenter and Mary Scudder.
NOTE: A Eliza, Joseph (this one) and John all baptised 13 May 1855.
DEATH:Place - 17 East St. Market Harborough Leics.
Source - will 27 Feb 1907 of this address naming these children and making
son Walter John Garner of same address executor.
Assumption made re parentage because docs came from General Wolfe Carpenter
family. General Wolfe was an Inn managed by three generations of Carpenters.
Orginally it was a small cottage Inn where the local farmers would sit outside
with their tankards of ale to discuss the sale of their pigs and cows or even
the weather. No doubt!
OCCUPATION: cordwainer.
!BIRTH: Date deduced from apprentice indenture
Copy of Indenture of John to Joseph Bryan, Boot and Shoe Maker 1866 for six
years.
OCCUPATION: Ribbon Weaver.
!BIRTH: 14 Feb 1852 in Foleshill per A. Murphy records. She cites a
certificate.
!BAPTISM: 4 Feb 1853 per IGI.
DEATH:Died at 204 Cross Road in Foleshill. Source - probate to Nathan and
William Carpenter - sons - at 62 Edgewick Road and 67.
Highfield Road - 27 Mar 1926 - estate -2,268-11-0.
BURIAL: Place - Congregational Church Foleshill WarwicksTHE INFLUENCE OF THE CHAPEL
Respectability returned to the Carpenters of Foleshill with this family who
were worshippers at the Independent Congregational Church in Foleshill Road.
The children sang in the chapel choir, Thomas himself was a lifelong
teetotaller and a deacon of the Church who objected even to the use of wine in
the communion cup. His eldest brother and his family who kept the "General
Wolfe" Inn were not approved of - "they DRANK you know!" Three of his chidren
married three of the Whitmee family who shared their religious beliefs.
Thomas' working life started young; at the age of eight, he was a silk engine
turner. The complex machinery of the engine loom required turning by hand and
it was heavy work. The headmaster reported that many of his pupils found it
made them sick and dizzy.
His first wife died too young for her grandchildren to remember her, but they
remembered his second wife, Elizabeth Silverwood. She had no children of her
own and was a very particular lady. She had one of her grandchildren to Sunday
dinner after Chapel each week and it was an occasion ratherto be dreaded than
enjoyed.
It is her name which appears on the tombstone which still stands in the garden
outside Little Heath School. There is no memorial to Rachel. It was only a
short time before his death that Thomas finally managed to pay off the loan
from Cash's that had allowed him to restart the family business. He had been
bankrupted once. However he trained his sons in the weaver's skills and told
one of his grandsons, Tom, that it was still possible to tell a Huguenot
weaver by some particular methods that differed from the English ones.
Finally he took on his grandson, Francis, who had to leave school at 14
because there was no money to allow him to go to secondary school.MARRIAGE: Place - Independent Chapel Foleshill.
Per marriage cert. bachelor, 21 years, spinster 20 years, both
weavers, witnesses John Carpenter and Louisa Haughton.
QUAY 3.
OCCUPATION: weaver.
BIRTH: birth certificate.
DEATH: deduced from probable remarriage of Thomas to Elizabeth Silverwood
in 1902. Certificate not yet obtained - grandchildren have no memory of
Rachel. St Cath. indexes have a death at age 46 for Rachel Carpenter
in Coventry.
OCCUPATION: weaver.
DEATH: Place - George Elliot Hospital Nuneaton.
Source - letter from nephew Francis to his Auntie Alice in Canada "he
was very well up to about 6 months before his death..then had 2 or 3 spells in
hospital... went home.. went on a slow decline. No pain or anything. It just
seemed as though he was worn out.
BIRTH: Place listed as Foleshill.
BIRTH: Source; possibly Amy Moore - see son's second name.
DEATH:St Cath's House indexes give age 32 at death.
OCCUPATION: Elastic web weaver.
OCCUPATION: Railways.
BIRTH: 1877 according to Nora Carpenter, his niece.
WILL: admon 5/19/1947 to Edward Thomas, husband, transport manager -
-207:1:7
BIRTH: Source: Mary Fellows says David and Elizabeth were cousins.
Father is believed to be David. If so, he and his wife were third cousins,
one generation removed.
OCCUPATION: stationer.
WILL: admon of Albert Henry Carpenter's estate granted to him 15 Feb 1918
WILL: Will left -270 to husband.
MILITARY: Pte 11 Bt. Royal Warwicks. Unknown if he died in battle, or of
wounds or sickness. Died during World War 1.
WILL: admon to James Munday 537 Foleshill Road -125-10-8.
Father is believed to be John Munday Carpenter.
SUBMITTER:
Sheila Carpenter Bourner via letters in 1997.OCCUPATION: Blacksmith.
BIRTH: Per birth certificate.
MARRIAGE: St Michael's Chapel Hay Lane Coventry.
Per marriage certificate. James Henry Carpenter was a resident at 59 Weston
Road Coventry, Harriett Eliza Suter at 3 East Street Coventry -
witnesses; Edwin Rainbow, and Emma Suter.MISC: James Henry Carpenter was often heard to declare: "Whenever I walk along
Carpenters Lane in Foleshill, I can guarantee that every other person I meet
will be a member of the Carpenter Clan - or married to one." Indeed 25
branches of the family have been traced, all with a common ancestor of John
Carpenter, who died in 1742. Alas, the name Carpenters Lane, thanks to the
powers that be, was renamed Station Street West at the beginning of the
twentyth century.
OCCUPATION: Tailoress.
251. Christine Marion Carpenter
She never married. She died the day of a Carpenter reunion party where she
was going to be the guest of honor.
OCCUPATION: Moulder.
MARRIAGE: St Michael's Chapel Coventry - Baptist church.
Per marriage certificate - George - 4 Villa Terrace Stoney Stanton Road
Coventry. Eliza - 39 Hope Street Coventry.---------
ANCESTRY: Ramsay/ Howitt Family Tree by Alana Burley
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/66204068/person/260048374856/factsGeorge Carpenter
Birth 18 FEB 1859 • Church Street, Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Death 26 JAN 1937 • Coventry, West Midlands, EnglandAncestry Sources
1861 England Census
1871 England Census
1881 England Census
1891 England Census
1901 England Census
1911 England Census
Ancestry Family Trees
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915Biological parents
George Carpenter 1832–1895
Anne Denney 1831–1910Spouse and children
Eliza Neale Edwards 1862–1945
Elizabeth Carpenter 1900–
OCCUPATION: Ribbon weaver.
WILL: Will probate to Elizabeth harrison , daughter, 1 feb 1945, - -1992:19:2
- and to Joseph Frederick Cooknell, fruiterer.
NOTE:
William David Carpenter 1861 - 1961 (rumour has it he lived til he was 100).Descendants supplied by: Karen Kerslake via email on 15 Dec 2015. yarratt-ftdna@yahoo.com.au
GRAVE:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=123547037
William David Carpenter
Birth: Feb. 25, 1861
Tumut
New South Wales, Australia
Death: May 18, 1961
Parkes
New South Wales, Australia
Family links:
Spouse:
Amy Henrietta Trethewy Carpenter (1861 - 1949)*
Children:
Sarah Amelia May Carpenter Vandewater (1883 - 1981)*
Henry William Carpenter (1885 - 1969)*
*Calculated relationship
Note: Age: 100
Burial:
Parkes General Cemetery
Parkes
Parkes Shire
New South Wales, Australia
Plot: Portion: Ang Old Row:Created by: III
Record added: Jan 16, 2014
Find A Grave Memorial# 123547037
GRAVE:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=148209656
Amy Henrietta Trethewy Carpenter
Birth: Oct. 10, 1861
Melbourne
Victoria, Australia
Death: Dec. 30, 1949
Coolamon
New South Wales, Australia
Married William David Carpenter.
Mother of Sarah Amelia May "Amy" (Carpenter) VandeWater, Alice Matilda (Carpenter) Cooke, Henry William "Harry" Carpenter, and Harold Charles Carpenter.
MRS. A. H. CARPENTER
The funeral of Mrs. Amy Henrietta Carpenter, of Coolamon, and late of 23 Collins Street, Wagga, who died at Coolamon on Friday night, took place yesterday at St. John's Church of England Wagga, after a service conducted by Rev. E. M. Cutcliffe. Mrs. Sutherland officiated at the organ. Interment took place in the Wagga cemetery, where Mr. Cutcliffe again officiated. Relatives and friends were present from Coolamon, Gundagal, Bega and Wagga. The funeral arrangements were conducted by Alan Harris, of Wagga.
Daily Advertiser
Wagga Wagga, NSW
Monday 2 January 1950 p.2
Family links:
Spouse:
William David Carpenter (1861 - 1961)
Children:
Sarah Amelia May Carpenter Vandewater (1883 - 1981)*
Henry William Carpenter (1885 - 1969)*
*Calculated relationship
Burial:
Wagga Wagga Monumental Cemetery
Wagga Wagga
Wagga Wagga City
New South Wales, AustraliaCreated by: Rebecca Ewing Peterson
Record added: Jun 23, 2015
Find A Grave Memorial# 148209656
253. Sarah Amelia May "Amy" Carpenter
GRAVE: images
Sarah Amelia May Carpenter Vandewater
Birth: 1883
Death: Feb. 1, 1981
Family links:
Parents:
William David Carpenter (1861 - 1961)
Amy Henrietta Trethewy Carpenter (1861 - 1949)Spouse:
Herman Vandewater (1882 - 1963)
Sibling:
Sarah Amelia May Carpenter Vandewater (1883 - 1981)
Henry William Carpenter (1885 - 1969)*
*Calculated relationship
Burial:
Coolamon Cemetery
Coolamon
Coolamon Shire
New South Wales, Australia
Plot: COOLAMON - TRADITIONAL SECTION, CHURCH OF ENGLAND portn, sect P, grv 20Created by: ProgBase
Record added: Sep 14, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 76503948
GRAVE: images
Herman Vandewater
Birth: 1882
Death: Feb. 18, 1963
Family links:
Spouse:
Sarah Amelia May Carpenter Vandewater (1883 - 1981)*
*Calculated relationship
Burial:
Coolamon Cemetery
Coolamon
Coolamon Shire
New South Wales, Australia
Plot: COOLAMON - TRADITIONAL SECTION, CHURCH OF ENGLAND portn, sect P, grv 20Created by: ProgBase
Record added: Sep 14, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 76503947
WILL: Will left -733 to widow Charlotte.
OCUPATION: weaver.