Descendants of Group 5 - Zimmermans / Carpenters

Notes


519. Barbara Zimmerman

FSFTID #  L68N-7SR


Abraham Lauber

FSFTID #  LH5G-Y5J


520. Andreas Zimmerman

FSFTID #  L84P-FBT


Anna Marie

FSFTID #  LHQ9-TY1


914. Maria Catharina Zimmerman

FSFTID #  MRLV-4CD


916. Catherina Zimmerman

FSFTID #  GC4Q-X5X


Nicklaus Roth

FSFTID #  GC4Q-8JQ


919. Anna Zimmerman

FSFTID #  LZJX-M7R


521. Christian "Cz" Carpenter

The earliest record for Christian in NC is as a member of the Captain Samuel Cobrin Militia list.  Filed at the Archives under Bladen-Anson Militia Returns 1748-1750 the militia list is the earliest record of settlers in the Old Tryon Co. area. The company was raised to counter the threat from the Spanish in NC, known as the "Spanish Alarm." Listed as "maried men" were "Cristin Sumirman" and "John Simerman" and as  "young men" was "Jacob Simerman."  These three Zimmerman pioneers had made the long and arduous  journey from PA to the Piedmont frontier of NC.

As did many other pioneers, Christian lived on the land a few years before receiving legal title to it. The
journey to the Anson Co. Courthouse was long, and the specie money necessary to pay for the land was scarce. On 11 June 1754, Christian Simerman had 302 acres surveyed on Beaverdam Creek "Including the place where he now lives. "Chainbearers were "Christian Simmerman and Michael Hostater."
The warrant for the land was dated 18 May 1754, describing the property as "below Ackers Entry."  On 27 March 1755, the grant was approved.

Christian Zimmerman supported the Patriot cause during the Revolutionary period. The first record of his allegiance was when he signed the Tryon Resolves. On August 14, 1775, inhabitants of Tryon Co. met at Christian Mauney's home, the temporary courthouse, to discuss the sending of delegates to the NC Provincial Congress.  CAP pg. 23.

The Annals of Lincoln County:  Sessions for the Tryon county Court were organized at the home of
Christian Carpenter in 1773 and 1774.,pg-14.

Kiser-Carpenter Chronicle: "We should acknowledge that although we know from Christian (CZ)
Carpenter's will that his wife's name was Mary and that the children mentioned are those listed below,
we do not have ironclad evidence that the Mary mentioned in the will was the daughter of Pioneer
Laurence and Sara Kiser. However, this was the conclusion reached long ago by A.B.K. on the basis of
his visits to relatives and his studies. Other genealogists have agreed with this conclusion.  There are
several bits of circumstantial evidence:
a) the original grant of land to Christian (C.Z.) Carpenter adjoined that of Lawrence Kiser,
b) Christian (C.Z.) Carpenter and Mary Carpenter were two of the three witnesses of Laurence Kiser's
Last Will and Testament, and
c) of the four daughters of Christian and Mary Carpenter, two had the same names as two of the
daughters of Pioneer Laurence (Mary and Catherine).

Tryon Co., NC Court of Pleas & Quarter Sessions, and Lincoln Co. Court Minutes.

October 1770 - Grand Jury - Christian Carpenter

1772 - Jury Duty - Christian Carpenter

1773-1774 - The Tryon Co. Court was held at the home of Christian Carpenter during this time because
no official location for the courthouse had been determined.

1774 - William More, John Walker, Abram Kuykendall, Charles McLean, Christopher Carpenter, & John
Hill were appointed Commissioners to find a location for a permanent courthouse.

July 26, 1774 - The above committee reported to locate the "Court House, Prison and Stocks...[at] the
'Cross Roads' on Christian Mauney's land, between the heads of Long Creek, Muddy Creek and
BeaverDam Creek in the county aforesaid, is most central and convenient..."Building of the Courthouse
was postponed, and the home of Christian Mauney was used until Lincoln Co. was formed.

1774 - Jury Duty - Christopher Carpenter

1774 - Christy Carpenter, Lawrence Kiser, Jacob Ramsour, Adolphus Reep, & John Eaker to lay out a
road from Burke Co. line to Ramsour's Mill, then to Tryon Co. Courthouse.

1774 - "Ordered by the Court that Christopher Carpenter have license to keep Ordinary at his now
dwelling house in Tryon County for complying with the act of assembly in that Care made and Provided
he proposes for securities William Moore & John Dunn, Esqr. Accepted.

1774 - Christian Carpenter, Jacob Carpenter, & others to lay out a road from Beateys old Wagon Ford
to Henry Dellingers.

Christian Zimmerman supported the Patriot cause during the Revolutionary period. The first record of his allegiance was when he signed the Tryon Resolves. On August 14, 1775, inhabitants of Tryon Co. met at Christian Mauney's home, the temporary courthouse, to discuss the sending of delegates to the NC Provincial Congress.

Christian "CZ" Zimmerman with the exception of Hans Sr. was the oldest Zimmerman to migrate to NC

1778 - Christian Carpenter, Jacob Ramsour, & Robert Ferguson were to collect taxes for Capt.
Carpenter's District.

1778 & 1779 - Christian Carpenter served Jury Duty a number of times.

1779 - Christopher Carpenter, Valentine Mauney, James Reid, John Patrick, & William Grimes were
made Commissioners to purchase 100 acres to serve as courthouse, prison, & stocks for the newly
created Lincoln Co. They did not succeed.

January 1780 - Jury Duty - Christian Carpenter

1780 - "Henry J. Isinghart came into Court & Choosed Christian Carpinter for his Gardin & Said Carpinter Gave bond according to law."

July 1781 - Henry Iseinhart again chose Christian Carpenter his guardian.

1786 - Christian Carpenter proved the Last Will & Testament the Estate of Larrence Kiser.

1787 - "Christian Carpenter Came into Court and Settled the Estate of Joseph Goode he being Admr.
and there Remains in his hand the Sum of three pounds."

1787 - Christy Carpenter vs. William Ramsey

1789 - The court gave Christian Carpenter £40 which he lent to James Holland for the use of a public
building.
Ref: C.A.P., page 22 & 23

BOOK:
"Carpenters A'Plenty" by Robert C. Carpenter. -- SEE CAUTION Below!
Carpenters A Plenty, by Robert C. Carpenter Published by Gateway Press, Baltimore, MD Printed 1982 and reprinted 1993. 1,120 pages fully indexed.
ASIN: B0006E9S6W
Dewey Decimal Class: 929/.2/0973
Library of Congress: CS71.C3 1982
John Carpenter, surname anglicized from Hans Zimmermann, b c1702 Switzerland, d 1794 NC:
#C. Christian 'CZ' Carpenter, b c1721, d 1800.
CAUTION:
Robert C. Carpenter intermixed two genetically different Zimmerman lines in his book. Since we have identified a third genetic line.  This line belongs to Group 5 of the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project. The other two genetic lines are Group 9 and 19. See:
https//carpentercousins.com - Click on the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project for details and the DYS (Y-DNA) marker values that make up the genetic profile.  See also the lineage page showing those DNA kits who have Y-DNA tested and how their group lineages compare.
SEE ALSO:
https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/560858-carpenters-a-plenty?offset=1

BOOK:
Kiser-Carpenter Chronicle. The Ancestors and Descendants of Larkin and Frances Carpenter Kiser and of Sylvanus and Rebecca Carpenter Carpenter. Based Largely on Unpublished Records Collected By Augustus Burton Kiser 1878-1967. By Clyde V. Kiser and Alna L. Kiser, Jan 1, 1983.

GRAVE: image (replacement marker) plus NSDAR & REV War marker
Christian “C Z” Carpenter
Birth: 1720 Switzerland
Death: 4 May 1800 (aged 79-80) Lincoln County, North Carolina, USA
Burial: Jacob Carpenter Cemetery, Crouse, Lincoln County, North Carolina, USA
Memorial #: 68365213
Bio:
DAR Patriot Number #A019398 North Carolina

It is thought that Christian Carpenter was born in Berne, Switzerland ca. 1720. Christian Carpenter wrote his will on 18 July 1799, Lincoln County, North Carolina. He may have been the son of Hans Zimmerman on the Pink Plaisance (21 Sept. 1732).

See the book by Robert C. Carpenter of North Carolina called Carpenters A Plenty. Baltimore, MD: Gateway Press, Inc., 1982, along with German Speaking People West of the Catawba by Lorena Shell Eaker, 1994, and Roster of Revolutionary War Gravesites of Soldiers, Patriots, and Ancestors Buried in North Carolina, published by NCDAR, New Bern, NC, 2007.

Family Members
Spouse
Mary Carpenter                 1735-1815
Children
Mary Carpenter Whisenant                 1743-1836
Jacob Carpenter                 1753-1830
Peter Carpenter                 1762-1838
Fredrick Carpenter                 1772-1829
Maintained by: Rita Wehunt-Black (48110921)
Originally Created by: Mike Huffstetler (47163991)
Added: 14 Apr 2011
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/68365213/christian-carpenter
Citation: Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/68365213/christian-carpenter : accessed 26 October 2021), memorial page for Christian “C Z” Carpenter (1720-4 May 1800), Find a Grave Memorial ID 68365213, citing Jacob Carpenter Cemetery, Crouse, Lincoln County, North Carolina, USA ; Maintained by Rita Wehunt-Black (contributor 48110921) .

ANCESTRY:  Lesseig /Waggoner Family Tree by mssander51
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/63852448/person/162064969696/facts

Ancestry Sources
Lancaster, Pennsylvania, Mennonite Vital Records, 1750-2014
Pennsylvania, Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index, 1772-1890
Pennsylvania, Land Warrants and Applications, 1733-1952
Pennsylvania, Land Warrants, 1733-1987
Pennsylvania, Tax and Exoneration, 1768-1801
U.S. and Canada, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s

Parents
Henry CARPENTER=Zimmerman  1673-1747
Maria Salome Rufener  1675-1743

Spouse & Children
Mary Keyser (Kiser)  1732-1815  <--- surname NOT Kiser or Keyser - see above
Nicholas Carpenter  1742-1791


Mary F.

NAME:
The wife of Christian Carpenter/Zimmerman has no proven surname. In fact I strongly believe that it is not Kiser. The Kiser connection appeared in North Carolina and Christian and wife had children in Pennsylvania. The Kiser family resided some distance from the Zimmermans in PA and the Kisers in MD.
I concur and removed the surname. JRC May 2014.


522. Hans Zimmermann

DEATH:
Either Pennsylvania or North Carolina


526. Jacob Zimmerman

PARENTS:
Which parents is which?  Both claimed by two factions. No proof given either which way. More information needed. Y-DNA profile is Group 5.

Jacob Zimmerman was a Blacksmith

Jacob served during the Spanish Alarm, 1748-50 in Capt. Cobrin's Company of N.C. Militia, where he was listed as a "young man" (unmarried).

MAYBE 2 Jacobs?  One buried in:  Big Gullies Cemetery,, Gaston, North Carolina, USA

GRAVE: images
Jacob (Zimmerman) Carpenter
Birth: 1734 Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, USA
Death: 3 May 1807 (aged 72–73) Lincoln County, North Carolina, USA
Burial: Jacob Carpenter Cemetery, Crouse, Lincoln County, North Carolina, USA
Memorial #: 63716422
Bio:
Jacob was a pioneer of Indian Creek,North Carolina born 1734.  His wife is Katherine Ramsour who was a daughter of Deitrich Ramsour also a pioneer. He was a Patriot of the American Rev.
Family Members
Parents
Johannes Zimmerman                 1702-1794
Sarah Salome Zimmerman                 1698-1790
Spouse
Katherine Ramsour Carpenter                 1742-1819
Siblings
Anna Zimmerman Hildebrand                 1725-1792
Children
Henry Carpenter                 1763-1837
Mary Carpenter Rudisill                 1771-1852
Sarah Salome Carpenter Cline                 1773-1864
Created by: Ronald  Halford (47177801)
Added: 4 Jan 2011
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/63716422/jacob-(zimmerman)-carpenter
Citation: Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 05 February 2021), memorial page for Jacob (Zimmerman) Carpenter (1734–3 May 1807), Find a Grave Memorial no. 63716422, citing Jacob Carpenter Cemetery, Crouse, Lincoln County, North Carolina, USA ; Maintained by Ronald Halford (contributor 47177801) .


Catherine Ramsaur

NAME:
Ramsour/Ramsaur/Ramseur

GRAVE:  images
Katherine Ramsour Carpenter
Birth: 31 Mar 1742
Death: 31 Jan 1819 (aged 76) Lincoln County, North Carolina, USA
Burial: Jacob Carpenter Cemetery, Crouse, Lincoln County, North Carolina, USA
Memorial #: 63716781
Bio:
She is he daughter of Pioneer Dietrich Ramsauer and Kadrina Catherine Heil.

Family Members
Parents
Johannes Dietrich Ramsaur Ramsauer                 1690-1772
Cadrina Katherine Heyl Ramsauer                 1710-1787
Spouse
Jacob (Zimmerman) Carpenter                 1734-1807
Siblings
David Ramsour                 1730-1783
Jacob Ramsour                 1731-1787
Margaret Ramsour Cline                 1733-1789
Anna Maria Ramseur Friday                 1738-1819
Children
Henry Carpenter                 1763-1837
Mary Carpenter Rudisill                 1771-1852
Sarah Salome Carpenter Cline                 1773-1864
Created by: Ronald  Halford (47177801)
Added: 4 Jan 2011
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/63716781/katherine-carpenter
Citation: Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 05 February 2021), memorial page for Katherine Ramsour Carpenter (31 Mar 1742–31 Jan 1819), Find a Grave Memorial no. 63716781, citing Jacob Carpenter Cemetery, Crouse, Lincoln County, North Carolina, USA ; Maintained by Ronald Halford (contributor 47177801) .


Martin Friday

NAME:
Born as Martin Freitag son of Nicholas Freitag and Anna Elizabeth. He married Margaret Elizabeth Rudisill (1764-1783) about 1777 then Peggy Carpenter (1760-<1832) on 9 Oct 1783.

MARRIAGE: 1783
Name: Martin Friday
Spouse: Peggy Carpenter
Marriage Date: 9 Oct 1783
Marriage County: Lincoln
Marriage State: North Carolina
Source: County Court Records at Lincolnton, NC & Family Hi
Source Citation
Data Source: County Court Records Lincolnton, NC and FHL # 0873860 item 21
Source Information
Ancestry.com. North Carolina, Marriage Index, 1741-2004 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2007.
Original data:
Dodd, Jordan, Liahona Research, comp. (P.O. Box 740, Orem, Utah 84059) from county marriage records on microfilm located at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah, in published books cataloged by the Library of Congress, or county records in possession of the individual county clerks or courthouses.
North Carolina State Archives. North Carolina County Marriage Indexes. North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh, North Carolina.
North Carolina State Center for Health Statistics. North Carolina Marriage Index, 1962-2004. North Carolina State Center for Health Statistics, Raleigh, North Carolina.

WILL:  1817
Name: Martin Friday
Probate Date: 1817
Probate Place: Lincoln, North Carolina, USA
Inferred Death Year: Abt 1817
Inferred Death Place: North Carolina, USA
Item Description: Original Wills, Brendall, Eliza Ann - Goodson, Abner
Table of Contents 5 images
Cover Page 1
Will Papers 2–4
Cover Page 5
Source Citation
Lincoln County, North Carolina, Wills and Estate Papers; Author: North Carolina. Division of Archives and History; Probate Place: Lincoln, North Carolina
Source Information
Ancestry.com. North Carolina, Wills and Probate Records, 1665-1998 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2015.
Original data: North Carolina County, District and Probate Courts.


CEMETERY:
http://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=44431
"Old White Church" Cemetery / " Old White Church "
By Stanley and Terrie Howard, May 19, 2011
Inscription.
"Old White Church" Cemetery
First Burying Ground in Lincolnton ca. 1787 Has been placed on the National Register of Historic Places by the United States Department of the Interior
" Old White Church"
Lincolnton's original house of worship was erected by Emmanuel Lutheran and Emanuel Reformed Congregations CA.1787 and stood on the north west corner of a two acre site. This German meeting house was known as the "Old White Church" and was shared with all denominations. Following its destruction by fire December 23, 1893 Emmanuel Lutheran's congregation erected a brick church on the same site. In 1920 the present church was built diagonally across South Aspen Street.
Location. 35° 28.187′ N, 81° 15.364′ W. Marker is in Lincolnton, North Carolina, in Lincoln County. Marker is on S. Aspen Street just from S. Church Street. Click for map. Marker is in this post office area: Lincolnton NC 28092, United States of America.


527. Peter "Carpenter" Zimmerman

NAME:  Zimmerman becomes Carpenter.

Peter Carpenter's Will can be found in "Lincoln County Loose Wills,File C.R. 060.801, North Carolina Department of Archives and History,Raleigh.

Peter Zimmerman was a blacksmith by trade, in his will he left hissmith's tools to two of his sons, William and Samuel. His son Jacobwas also a blacksmith.

Peter was a Captain in the effort to push the Cherokees west in 1775. He was the first gunsmith in the area (Lincoln Co., NC) and was a blacksmith. He later chose the Tory side and was elected a Captain forthe Battle of Ramsour's Mill (Lincoln Co., NC) 20 June 1780. after the Tory defeat, Capt. Peter was found by his family lying severely wounded on the south bank of the South Fork River (where Laboratory is now). He was shot through the body, and a silk handkerchief was drawn through the wound to cleanse it. In 1782, the victorious Whigs began confiscating Tory land. they were lenient with Peter; he had to give up 520 lbs. of dried beef as a penalty. Cornwallis's troops had destroyed a rail fence on a boundary of his property on the South side of Indian Creek, where he had 1200 acres of land. Peter replaced it with a stone fence which still stands.

Peter and Barbara removed to Lincoln COunty, North Carolina sometime between 1758 and1762.

Carpenters A'Plenty (CAP) #P.

ABGI:
Name: Peter Carpenter
Birth Date: 1740
Birthplace: North Carolina,
Volume: 25
Page Number: 248
Biographical Info: ens.
Reference: Historical reg. of officers of the Continental Army. By Francis Bernard Heitman. Washington, DC, 1914. (685p.): 145
Source Information
Godfrey Memorial Library, comp.. American Genealogical-Biographical Index (AGBI) [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 1999.
Original data: Godfrey Memorial Library. American Genealogical-Biographical Index. Middletown, CT, USA: Godfrey Memorial Library.


Christian Grabiel Wenger

NAME:
Wenger or Wingert.


540. Johannes Zimmerman

Larry Zimmerman Notes and sources:
 43. Diane VanSkiver Gagel, Thomas R. Lauber, John Huppi, David J. Rempel Smucker, The Laubers: A Journey of Faith, Appendix A (Anabaptist Zimmermanns in Baden), p. 280, 2008."Children of Christian Zimmermann [and his wife, the unknown Rupp]: Andreas Zimmermann, who followed his father as leaseholder of the Zenthof in Denzlingen. Anna Maria Zimmermann, born about 1738; died 21 October 1755 in Denzlingen at the age of seventeen. Michael Zimmermann, buried in Denzlingen 20 February 1741, as a small child. Heinrich Zimmermann, born about 1759; died 29 October 1761 in Denzlingen, at the age of two. Probable further sons of Christian Zimmermann: Johannes (Hans) Zimmermann, resident in Denzlingen, later a leaseholder in Niederemmendingen. Jacob Zimmermann, born 16 December 1735; grew up in Denzlingen. Michael Zimmerman, in 1778 living in Denzlingen (likely born after the death of [Michael buried in 1741]). Possible daughter of Christian Zimmermann: Barbara (Barbe) Zimmermann, born about 1752; died 26 November 1819 in Kingersheim, Haut-Rhin, France. She was married to Abraham Lauber. They resided in Denzlingen starting about 1793."
 44. Diane VanSkiver Gagel, Thomas R. Lauber, John Huppi, David J. Rempel Smucker, The Laubers: A Journey of Faith, Appendix A (Anabaptist Zimmermanns in Baden), p. 280, 2008."Children of Christian Zimmermann [and his wife, the unknown Rupp]: Andreas Zimmermann, who followed his father as leaseholder of the Zenthof in Denzlingen. Anna Maria Zimmermann, born about 1738; died 21 October 1755 in Denzlingen at the age of seventeen. Michael Zimmermann, buried in Denzlingen 20 February 1741, as a small child. Heinrich Zimmermann, born about 1759; died 29 October 1761 in Denzlingen, at the age of two. Probable further sons of Christian Zimmermann: Johannes (Hans) Zimmermann, resident in Denzlingen, later a leaseholder in Niederemmendingen. Jacob Zimmermann, born 16 December 1735; grew up in Denzlingen. Michael Zimmerman, in 1778 living in Denzlingen (likely born after the death of [Michael buried in 1741]). Possible daughter of Christian Zimmermann: Barbara (Barbe) Zimmermann, born about 1752; died 26 November 1819 in Kingersheim, Haut-Rhin, France. She was married to Abraham Lauber. They resided in Denzlingen starting about 1793."

John Schmeeckle adds:
Johannes Zimmermann (d. by 1797), probable son of Christian; m. Anna Muller. Some descendants of his presumed son Jacob can be found in Joe Staker's "Amish Mennonites in Tazewell County," part 2 (updated July 2014), pp. 180-82, online at


Anna Muller

NAME:
Muller or Mueller


961. Johannes Zimmerman

Descendants continue in Europe.


963. Anna Maria Zimmerman

vi.  Anna Maria, b. 1763/4 Emmendingen; m. Michael Müller of Sexau, Baden; lived at Strasbourg; d. 1814 at Robertsau (per Levine).


964. Michael Zimmerman

The following per John Schmeeckle.
Michael (1766-1842), son of Johannes; of the Platzhof in Kandern, Baden. He had a son Johann who was having children at the Platzhof in the 1840s and 1850s. Possibly descendants in Europe.


965. Christian Zimmerman

The following per John Schmeeckle.
Christian (d. 1829), son of Johannes; of Riehen, Basel, Switzerland. He married Barbara Stucki. Perhaps he was the father of the Jacob Zimmerman (bef. 1800-1859) who emigrated to South Easthope, Ontario, Canada, with two sons.

A leaseholder at Niederemmendingen, to Basel, Switzerland.


966. Magdalena Zimmerman

       vii.  Magdalena, b. 1770; m. Christian Wagler; lived in Strasbourg (per Levine).


967. Maria Zimmerman

12   viii.  (possibly) Maria, m. Christian König, co-leaseholder at Balderwegenhof who
raised the son of Jacob (#9) (per Afton, p. 20)