Descendants of Group 5 - Zimmermans / Carpenters
Notes
2111.
John Jackson Carpenter
NOTE: Two John Jacksons have been confused. One born about 1817 and another 1853. They are not father and son.
E-MAIL:
From: Bobby Carpenter mailto:bobbylc@verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 10:43 AM
To: John R Carpenter 2 mailto:johnrcarpenter@cox.net> ; 00 Chandler John mailto:john.chandler@alum.mit.edu> ; 00 Carpenter Terry mailto:diluvius@yahoo.com> ; Dennis Owen mailto:dh-owen@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project - 284687 lineage question & update
Hi John R. et al, I returned to my home on Tuesday, 7 Jan., and have been looking over one email in particular, with regards to John Jackson Carpenter. I'm extracting what Robert C. Carpenter wrote in his book, Carpenters A Plenty, page 505: "P124 John Jackson or Jackson J. Carpenter, b-abt. 1821, Ky., alive in 1850 Morgan Co., m-Apr. 13, 1840 (Cooper Co. M.) Lucinda McFarland, b. abt. 1817 Mo., alive 1850 Morgan Co. He was probably the John G. Carpenter listed on p-180 Morgan Co. 1840 census with 1 male - 15-20; 1 female - 20-30. Nona Caine located this family 1850 Morgan Co., House #323. We have not been able to locate them in later censuses, nor have we been able to discover what became of them. Ch. [Note the word probably.] [P124 indicates his descent from Peter Zimmerman, b. abt. 1736] P1241 John Carpenter, b. abt. 1841 Mo. P1242 Nancy Jane Carpenter, b. abt. 1843 Mo." Another entry by Robert on page 1051 for the Harrelson Family reads: "13. Dicie Lodena Harrelson (Mar. 23, 1848 - Nov. 19. 1914), m. John Jackson Carpenter (c), she bur. St. Paul, see C74(12)." No date for this marriage was given. The reference back to C74(12), page 169 reads: "C74(12) John Jackson Carpenter, b. Nov. 27, 1853, d. after 1914, m. (1) Dec. 11, 1877 (G.C.M.L.) Dicy Lodena Harrelson, b. Mar. 23, 1848, d. Nov. 19, 1914 (G.C.D.C.), bur. St. Pauls Meth. Ch. Cem., dau. William & Nancy Telitha Cuemimoody (Stroups) Harrelson (c) ; (2) Anne Neal. I did locate some records on 1st wife Dicy Harrelson Carpenter. On Nov. 17, 1914, Dicy L. Carpenter wrote her will which is filed at the State archives under Gaston Co. She gave to her "dear beloved husband John J. Carpenter" the land "conveyed to me by my father William Harrelson." " [G.C.M.L. = Gaston County Marriage License] [G.C.D.C. = Gaston County Death Certificate] John here Robert C. is talking about two different John Jackson Carpenter's, one born in 1821 and one born in 1853. With that understanding, the John Jackson Carpenter who was born in 1821(1817) did in fact marry Lucinda McFarland on 13 April 1840. It's entirely possible that he could have married Dicy Lodena Harrelson later. John I see a potential problem here with the two different John J. Carpenters. In addition, one is thought to be a John G. Carpenter during the 1840 census. My thoughts are that the John Jackson Carpenter, b. abt. 1821 as mentioned by Robert C. on page 505 is the same John Jackson Carpenter mentioned by Dennis Owen as being b. 1817. DNA results between Darren Carpenter and myself along with others in CCG5 would seem to bear this out. Also, we both show this John Jackson Carpenter as being the father of James Bengman Carpenter. With regards to your question to Dennis, "Do you have the name of John Jackson Carpenters previous spouse?" As you saw in my GEDCOM, I show John Jackson Carpenter's other (second) wife as Rachel Miller Fry, b. Sep 1816, Ky., as the mother of James Bengman Carpenter. Dennis Owen also shows this relationship on his Ancestry.com page , he also shows her birth as 26 Sep 1816, KY and death as 9 Sep 1909. MO. According to my FTM2014 John Jackson Carpenter would be my 3C3R, Darren Carpenter my 6C4R and Dennis Owen my 6C3R. Happy New Year to ALL. Bob Carpenter
CEMETERY: St. Pauls Methodist Church Cem.- See parent's notes.
Dicy Lodena Harrelson
CEMETERY: St. Pauls Methodist Church Cem.- See husband's parent's notes.
2112.
Lucy Ella Carpenter
CEMETERY: St. Pauls Methodist Church Cem.- See parent's notes.
Daniel Monroe Harrelson
CEMETERY: St. Pauls Methodist Church Cem.- See wife's parent's notes.
2113.
James Buchanan Carpenter
CEMETERY: St. Pauls Methodist Church Cem.- See parent's notes.
2126.
Robert Tinley Carpenter
ANCESTRY: Williamson-Phillips Family Tree by aingletx
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/60933227/person/44064862706/facts
Ancestry Sources
1860 United States Federal Census
Ancestry Family Trees
U.S., Civil War Pension Index: General Index to Pension Files, 1861-1934
U.S., Union Soldiers Compiled Service Records, 1861-1865
Parents
Samuel Carpenter 1809–1850
Jane McCormick 1805–1860
Spouse & Children
Drucilla Jane Moore 1832–1915
Mary Ann Carpenter 1858–
William Elsberry Carpenter 1862–1943
Drucilla Jane Moore
Parents
Nimrod Moore 1807–
Cassie Davis 1806–
Spouse & Children
John W. Fry
Sherman Fry 1871–
Spouse & Children
Robert Tinley Carpenter 1829–1865
Mary Ann Carpenter 1858–
William Elsberry Carpenter 1862–1943
2135.
Levi S. Carpenter
FSFTID # L41L-2TY
Mary Edna Carpenter
FSFTID # 99H5-WXN
3863.
Dorinda Carpenter
FSFTID # L8BT-TK2
3864.
Harvey J. Carpenter
FSFTID # L15W-L5J
3865.
Clarinda Carpenter
FSFTID # M5VC-JFV
3866.
Mary F. Carpenter
FSFTID # M5VC-V5N
3867.
Nancy Carpenter
FSFTID # L8BT-YQM
3868.
Lucinda Carpenter
FSFTID # L8BT-YS7
3869.
Mary C. Carpenter
FSFTID # L8BT-Y9D
3870.
Valentine C. Carpenter
FSFTID # L8BT-YSP
2136.
Josiah Carpenter
FSFTID # LCFW-9W2
Nancy Oakley
FSFTID # LHPP-FH9
3873.
Elizabeth Jane Carpenter
FSFTID # KL6T-Q8L
3878.
Elizabeth J. Carpenter
FSFTID # LT6W-CQB
Georgeann Dallas Carpenter
FSFTID # LHVC-6VT
2137.
Denicia Carpenter
FSFTID # LZ8W-TF4
William Harrison McGuire
FSFTID # LZ8W-T9Y
3881.
Martha Bailey
FSFTID # 97YS-H54
John M. Gevedon
FSFTID # 97YS-H5Q
3882.
James Harvey McGuire
FSFTID # LRX6-3MQ
Susan Reynolds DeBusk
FSFTID # LCJV-7W1
3883.
Mary Ellen McGuire
FSFTID # L4LR-SX1
John Thomas Gevedon
FSFTID # L4LR-SYT
3884.
Mcguire
FSFTID # MNC9-76N
3885.
John Mason Mcguire
FSFTID # L1FF-J85
Victoria M. Powers
FSFTID # K4B2-6C3
3886.
Lucinda Frances McGuire
FSFTID # L4LR-3H2
Benjamin Franklin McGuire
FSFTID # G9CS-FFM
3887.
Mcguire
FSFTID # M5VR-LC8
3888.
William Harrison McGuire
FSFTID # L4QG-1YM
Lucinda Cottle Oakley
FSFTID # 9VL1-1JD
3889.
Bernard McGuire
FSFTID # L5Y4-ZQ4
Judith Frances Mckinney
FSFTID # LHT9-KVM
2138.
Daniel Carpenter
FSFTID # KCSG-XTL
Minerva Goodpaster
FSFTID # LCTK-JHV
3895.
Romulous Carpenter
FSFTID # L1RS-YRT
3896.
John M Carpenter
FSFTID # L1RS-R7Q
Eddie
FSFTID # L1R3-Q5H
3897.
James Givens Carpenter
FSFTID # GZX1-YZY
3898.
James Givens Carpenter
FSFTID # GWVN-XL2