Group 7 Descendants of Anthony Carpenter - THE VERY SPECULATED Progenitor of Group 7 of the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project.

Notes


4. John Carpenter

RELATIONSHIPS: "Carpenters of the South", SLC FHL 929.273 C225ctl, Chapter entitled "John of Monongalia Cny WV," page 1:  "John Carpenter was born about 1710-1750 (probably c1750), married Anna ---, and was a native of NY." Information prepared by Terry L. Carpenter of Memphis, Tennessee.  See C-3, #1 in the files of Janet Gesas Hornick, Englewood.  NOTE: This author stated that further research was needed to confirm relationships.

POSSIBLE LEADS: If John, the son of this John, was born about 1760/1765, then this John was born about 1740 or even earlier.  Patty's father has a cousin from Dayton, Ohio who was born around 1905.  She told Patty that she had heard that four brothers came from Ireland and settled in New York.  Two came to WV, John and David, and one stayed in Ohio (which would explain the migration to Ohio for a time) and one remained in New York.  The story is similar to what her grandfather Burse told her older sister.  In this version, three brothers had come from Ireland during one of the famines.  The three brothers were John,  Ashman and David Carpenter.  John went to Fort Pitt and then settled in Virginia, now WV.  Ashman reputedly went to North Carolina and Patty was unsure about David.  She was going to check.  Further, there is a William Carpenter who died in 1803 and who is buried at Maple Grove Cemetery who is a Rev. War soldier. See C-9, 5/5/98.

MORE LEADS:  RichardCLarson@aol.com wrote on July 24, 2005:  "I am sure we are related to William Carpenter of Rehoboth, MA, branch. Founder: Captain William Carpenter b. 1605 in England and came to America in 1638. He had more descendants in the revolutionary war than any other family.

"John Carpenter 1765, Long Isand New York married Nancy Ann Miller, Father= John 1730 and Anna, John Carpenter 1700, John Carpenter 1680, John Carpenter 1658, John Carpenter 1626, William Carpenter 1605(Married ABigail Briant)  http://genealogycds.com/sales/carpenter.htm"

On 29 July 2005 Richard wrote:  "The Cds are very valuable tools for connecting to William of Reho and His son Captain John Carpenter. I was able to trace the the line of Johns, from Captain John back, but the link ended when one of his descendants failed to have a John. However I did find something notable that is listed. One of Captain John Carpeter's (b.1626) sons was Hope Carpenter)b.1660. His wife was Mary Ashman. They had a son named Ashmond Carpenter( along with some other descendants of this line named Ashman. This is probably where one would find the link between our Ashman Carpenter and William of Rehoboth Carpenter. Have you found any info on Ashman Carpenter's parents other than the ones that say John and Nancy. They could still possibly be the parents, but it is not John>John>John untill Captain John Carpenter. It would have to be from Hope Carpenter, as the Name Ashman Carpenter started poppingup after their marriage. I am going to leave the Captain John Carpenter and his ancestors, but I am going to leave the middle blank, as their is a connection. Let me know what you think."

"The Hope/Ashman line is actually mainly from New Jersey. They were also loyalists to the crown in the rev war, meaning they migrated to ontario. "

Jan wrote back:  "I have a couple of lines where I have done as you mentioned, keeping the "way back" ancestors in my PAF database, and unlinking for a generation or more until further data appears.  The Ashman name has always interested me. I have seen that Hope Carpenter hypothesis before. Maybe there is some credance to it, but I would want more firm data."


6. Stephen Carpenter

Parentage listed but not proved as:
John Carpenter b. 1705/1710 Westmoreland county VA d. 1756 VA  (of Stafford county VA)  with spouse named Mary.
then
Anthony Carpenter b. 1675 VA d. 1725 VA

DEATH: Alive in 1799 because of Land transactions found. Per TLC.
MARRIAGE: 6 Jun 1768 often used but it is for another Stephen Carpenter of MA!


From: "Terry Carpenter"
To: "John R. Carpenter"
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:03 AM
Subject: Re: Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project - Lineage for 145755 - 2b
John:
...
The claim that this Stephen Carpenter married Rebecca Collins also hasn't proved out.  Some cite the marriage between a Stephen Carpenter and Rebecca Collins that took place at Philadelphia PA in Nov 1746 -- 20 years before the birth of the Tennessee Stephen's first child.  Some have started using the marriage date of 6 Jun 1768 of the Massachusetts Stephen to Rebecca Sprague, but saying it was to Rebecca Collins.  And some of them have added Dorothy Whitaker as a third wife.  Note that in the below record for example (from http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a33813&id=I787), the children born to Dorothy Whitaker start in 1735 and end in 1754 in Attleboro Mass., but the submitter shows the marriage to Rebecca Collins taking place in 1746 in NC while the other wife was still alive and having children in Mass. -- an obvious disconnect, and it is clear that she has mixed at least two different Stephens, but she doesn't even comment on
it.  ...
Terry


Rebecca Collins

NOTE: SEE HUSBAND's NOTES regarding spouse.

MARRIAGE:  IGI has a marriage of Stephen Carpenter to Rebecca Sprague (a widow) with a son called Yelverton Carpenter.  This was listed in error to: Stephen Carpenter-7248 b. 23 Jul 1708 MA d. 1790 - that marriage has been deleted.

Rebecca was the widow Sprague when she married Stephen Carpenter?

BIRTH: of Providence, Providence, RI??? See AFN: LSPQ-91. - This info is wrong.


18. Fielding (Duplicate of 107918) Carpenter (Duplicate?)

Cause of death listed as dropsy.
Tombstone states death as 16 Jun 1848.  Still on census in 1850.
Father:  Fielding Carpenter     Disc #142     Pin #3989696
Or is it Stephen Carpenter b. circa 1740 VA?

In Group 7 in the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project.
Reference: 7252, 65283, 45818

Possible duplicate of RIN 107918.


7. Thomas Carpenter Jr.

Group 7 - reference line 22184, 16270 & 20393 via Thomas then Templeton.
Group 7 - reference line 115325 via John, 23381, 17455, 132297 & 105588 via Benjamin, 34207 via George.

BIRTH: Born in VA or England?

See:  AFN 112M-NF2
!SEE NOTE BELOW.
Thomas served in Captain William Preston's Company of Rangers in 1759 or
earlier during the French and Indian Wars.  He probably was living in Augusta
(Boteourt) County, VA in 1755 where his son was born.  There is a Land Bounty
in 1759 in Amherst County for what is believed to be for service in the French
and Indian War 1759 or earlier than 1756 in Botetourt (then Augusta) County.
In 1765, August 21, Thomas Carpenter bought land in Amherst County, Virginia.
In 1773 he sold property to Samuel Woods in Amherst County. Thomas carpenter to
James Carpenter and d. (G. p. 177) Amherst County.
He was a Patriot.  Thomas Carpenter signed the Pettition of Dissenters of
Albemarle, Rockingham and Amherst Counties, Virginia on Oct. 25, 1776.
To Thomas Carpenter for 136 pounds of bacon, pr. cert. if. on Januaray 12,
1781.  Militia on duty.  Five pounds 25 shillings teste William E. Sandidge,
clerk, with seal.
SEE: Deeds, Amherst County, VA, Courthouse; Judge Lyman Chalkey's records of
Augusta County, VA, Vol. 1,2,3, page 272; Kegley's Virginia Frontier;
letters--Hope Mathews and Richard Charles Carpenter.
NOTE: Terry Lee Carpenter, of San Antonio, TX (Carpenters of the South)
indicates that Sudna (Sudney) was definately NOT a daughter of this Thomas.
(The Thomas, the son of Joseph (b. 1693).
He also states very clearly that Kegley's Virginia Frontier does not
support this Thomas being born Long Island, NY.  Terry Lee Carpenter indicates
that alot of confusion has arisen due to James Ausie Carpenter's Carpenter &
Related Family Historical Journal speculations on the ancestry of this family
line.   Until further research clarifies this line, take this Thomas's ancestry
as very tenative.

SPECULATION: Was this Thomas (b. abt. 1729) was the son of Thomas (b. abt.
1713- RIN 31356) of Joseph Carpenter (b. 1693) of NY Colony?
However the PRF below indicates John as the father.  No proof given.
Thomas CARPENTER     Compact Disc #35     Pin #76601    Sex: M
Birth:  1728/30  Place:   Musceta Cove,Long Island,New York Colony
Death:  1728/93  Place:   Amhurst,Amhurst Co.,Va.
Parents:
Father:  John CARPENTER     Disc #35     Pin #76842
Mother:  Elizabeth FIELD     Disc #35     Pin #76599
Notes and Sources:
Notes:   None
Sources:  None
Submitter:
Lovetta Darlene QUAYLE
P.O. Box 650113 Sterling, Utah 84665

BOOK: See page 37 (for notes) and page 39 (cited below) of the Mowrey 1997
book.  See book information below:
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
Page 39: Children of Thomas Carpenter (15), of Joseph (14), of Nathaniel (13).
Thomas was married, but his wife and children are presently undiscovered. It is
possible that some Carpenter lines that trace their ancestry directly to Joseph
(14) may eventually discover that they must first go through a son of Thomas
and Thomas to arrive there. Thomas was one of the older sons and could have
been born as early as 1713. Where there are few records and children die
before parents, there is much  speculation as to the actual line of descent-
particularly, in some Carpenter families.

SEE: Web page at:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~adcarpenter/users/crfhjvw9.htm
AN UPDATE QF PROVEN LINEAGE QF THOMAS CARPENTER AND BENJAMIN CARPENTER QF
AMHERST COUNTY. VIRGINIA. (1728-1792) BY RAYMOND GEORGE CARPENTER. GENEALOGIST
QF THE CARPENTER AND RELATED FAMILY ASSOCIATION AMHERST CARPENTER'S
April 16, 1994 Dear James: Please find enclosed my Article of proof of the
lineage of Thomas Carpenter and Benjamin
Carpenter of Amherst County, Virginia I will write and article #21 in the
Rehoboth Carpenter Family after you print Volume
V Number 8 Your's for the Carpenter's, s/s Raymond George Carpenter: There is
now a proven lineage for Thomas
Carpenter of Amherst County, Virginia. as the son of Joseph Carpenter who came
from New York Colony in 1746 to
Covington, Virginia In 1962 Colonel William Thomas Carpenter wrote me letter
saying that five or seven Carpenter brothers
of his family settled in the western par of Virginia during the Colonial period
and that several fought in the French and Indian
War. The noted writer Boutwell Dunlap wrote that the children of Joseph
Carpenter who came to Covington, Virginia. in
1746 were sons of Joseph Carpenter, Solomon Carpenter, William Carpenter,
Jeremiah Carpenter, John Carpenter, and
Benjamin Carpenter. Joseph Carpenter's daughters were Frances Elizabeth
Carpenter and Hannah Carpenter. It is possible
that Joseph Carpenter. Senior, had a first wife named Frances Elizabeth Dames
Carpenter. Joseph Carpenter and his Sons
Joseph carpenter, Jr., Solomon Carpenter, and Thomas Carpenter fought in the
French and Indian Wat Beulah Widney Wall
wrote that Sweeney and McAllister in listing Amherst County soldiers lists a
John Carpenter as serving under Captain Samuel
Jordon Cabell, 6th Virginia Battalion, Lt Colonel Hendricks, on the 17th of
February 1776 with pay in 1777 and 1778 with
Rifleman Colonel Van Morgan 53581. This was part of the service of Sergeant
John Carpenter who was a son of Thomas
Carpenter of Amherst County, Virginia (1728-1792). The rest of his service is
that John Carpenter in 1777 enlisted in
Amherst County, Virginia. for three years in Captain Samuel Lapsley's Company
of the 12th Continental Line of Colonel
Daniel Morgan's Virginia unit He also enlisted in a Company that was from
Botetourt County of Covington, Virginia. and two
of his first cousins also served earlier or were serving with John being Amos
Carpenter and Solomon Carpenter, descendants
of Joseph Carpenter who came to Covington, Virginia in 1746. From the Journal
of Illinois State Historical Society, Volume
8, Number 3, October 1915, page 441, as reported by Richard Charles Carpenter
tells of the service of Sergeant John
Carpenter's brother Benjamin Carpenter's service. Benjamin Carpenter was a
native of Virginia. born in 1753. He enlisted for
four years in Amherst County, Virginia His Company joined the Army of Lafayette
and he was present at the surrender of
Cornwallis. He came to Illinois and resided is Schuyler County where he died."
532156 Illinois Certificate #22315. In 1784
Sergeant John Carpenter of Amherst County, Virginia. was granted hundreds of
acres of land in Kentucky for his service in
the Continental Line in the Revolutionary War. He moved with his wife and
family to Green County Kentucky by 1801
Sergeant John Carpenter's son Nathan-
519
iel Carpenter married February 12, 180Z Green County, Kentucky, Rachel Mann,
daughter of Esay Mann. Another son of
Sergeant John Carpenter was Moses Carpenter who married January 25, 1824,
Rebecca White. Other sons were given the
same names of those of his John Carpenter's father Thomas Carpenter's brothers.
The Sons were names John Carpenter,
Joseph Carpenter, and Nathaniel Carpenter for Thomas Carpenter's grandfather
Captain Nathaniel Carpenter of New York
Colony. Sergeant John Carpenter was born about 1755 in Augusta County,
Virginia, and knew as a small boy many of his
Carpenter cousins! As an example of another proof of lineage was the marriage
of Amherst County, Virginia's Thomas
Carpenter's sister Frances Elizabeth Carpenter, born in New York Colony,
daughter of Joseph Carpenter of 1746
Covington. Virginia, to John Mann, in area of Covington, Virginia Their son
Moses Mann married Fanny (facsimile) Pinson
and they moved with this family to Green County, Kentucky, and lived with the
family of Sergeant John Carpenter of Amherst
County, Virginia Moses Mann and Sergeant John Carpenter were first cousins.
Moses Mann's daughter Denia Mann married
Joseph Beard and they resided in Green County, Kentucky. Editor: For the sake
of indexing I sometimes use facsimile names
in the event of important persons! Moses Mann's son Asa Mann was fishing on the
Rolling Fork River in Green County,
Kentucky, with Sergeant John Carpenter's son Moses Carpenter when they were
attacked by the Indians. Moses Carpenter
was scalped and left for dead but managed to make his way back to Moses Mann's
stockade and recovered from his
wounds. Sergeant John Carpenter moved to Monroe County, Indiana, in 1827 to be
under the immediate care and
protection of his children. He then resided in Owen County 1830 with six of his
sons. Sudna Carpenter was a granddaughter
of 1746, Covington. Virginia. Joseph Carpenter, and on 28th November 1791,
Harrison County, Virginia, married Samuel
Tanner, with Thomas Carpenter as Bondsman. In the first Federal Census of 1790
the only Thomas Carpenter listed for
Virginia was the Thomas Carpenter of Amherst County Virginia, who died in 1792
Colonel William Thomas Carpenter and
many in the Carpenter Family believed and believe that Thomas Carpenter and
Benjamin Carpenter of Amherst County,
were brothers. I (RGC) believe that I have proved that Thomas Carpenter of
Amherst County, Virginia, was the son of
Joseph Carpenter who came from New York to Covington, Virginia. in 1746! I will
continue with the Rehoboth Branches of
Carpenter and Related Families in my subsequent article. A special summary of
this splendid article by Cousin Raymond
George Carpenter by the Editor: In 1980 when Raymond traveled from his home in
Florida to address the Annual Carpenter
Related Carpenter Reunion in Tuscumbia, Alabama, I was most impressed with his
magnitude and command of all
genealogical and heritage knowledge of Carpenter families past and present from
New York to the Southern tip of Florida
and from Maine to Texas and then to Utah across the Mississippi River and
further on the the Great Northwest of these
United States. Raymond made the major address to those related families
attending the annual reunion. I well-remember as
we crossed the Wilson Dam from Muscle Shoals into Florence that I told Ray that
President Franklin Roosevelt obtained
sufficient funds from Congress to finance the expansion of WA. I do declare
that Raymond said "Carpenter's were kin to
President Roosevelt!" To be continued!
520.

SEE: Web page at:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~adcarpenter/users/colwcarp.htm
November 1 1952
Mrs. Jessielynn Carpenter Bishop
311 E.Tyler Street Athens, Tex.
Dear Mrs. Bishop:
The tradition in my family is that we descend from five or seven bro-thers who
came to America before the Revolutionary
War arid settled in Virginia. I descend from one of them, Thomas Carpenter I,
who bought land in Amherst County, Virginia,
in 1765. His farm is now in Nelson County, Virginia, which was cut off from
Amherst County in 1807. He had some six sons
and two daughters that I know of. Five of his sons served in the Rev-olutionary
War, and I descend from his son, Thomas
Carpenter II, who died at home in July, 1781, while on furlough from the Army.
I visited Amherst County, Virginia, in 1928
and copied all the records I could find on Carpenters and I found that on March
1 1779, one Benjamin Carpenter and James
Littrel of Amherst County bought 140 acres of land from Samuel Woods and Mary
his wife, "Land on which they now live." I
do not know when this Benjamin moved to Amherst County. A grandson of his wrote
me November 24, 1915, Richard
Eden Carpenter of Lahore, Orange County, Virginia - that his grandfather,
Benjamin came from England and stopped in King
and Queen County, Virginia and then moved to Amherst. Now this Benjamin and my
great, great grandfather, Thomas
Carpenter I, signed the Petition of Dissenters of Albermarle, Amherst and
Buckinghani Counties October 22, 1776. So
Benjamin was there in 1776. You descend from this Ben-jamin Carpenter, and I
have always thought that he and my Thomas
Carpert~ ter I were brothers, though I have no proof of this. Now this Benjamin
Carpenter had sons Eaton and Austin had
seven sons of whom Richard Eden Carpenter mentioned above was the youngest.
(No! Austin only had two sons, William
Enoch and Richard Eden - J.A.C.) And Richard Eden Carpenter mentioned in
writing to me "an eldest brother Enoch from
whom you descend. He had another brother, Benjamin. (It has been proven that
this is in error. We do not descend from this
Enoch, but from his own Uncle Enoch Carpenter! This Austin was our Enoch's
youngest brother. Austin's two sons, William
Enoch and Richard Eden, fought in the Civil War for the South. Rupert Deane
aarpenter presently of Monroe, Virginia, and
husband of Elsie Drumxnond Carpenter "Aunt Elsie" is a direct descendant of
this Richard Eden Carpenter, a grandson J. A. C.)

E-MAIL:  Same Thomas or another?
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:07:49 -0800
From: "Carpenter, Susan"
Subject: [CARPENTER] Chelmsford History
To:
Message-ID:
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While looking over a document I saved in my favorites I saw the name of
Thomas Carpenter who in 1748 served in Phineas Stevens' Company possibly
during the King George's War - I will forward the link as well - it is a
very large document of interest to me because my many times G
grandfather was a founding father (Isaac Learned).

HISTORY OF CHELMSFORD

     Wm. Blodget and divers others, Inhabitants of Chelmsford,
   weregranted the use of an island in the Merrimack containing
   3/8 of an acre for the privilege and conveniency of fishing.
   [Ibid, Vol. 15, p. 625.1

     Isaac Parker in service at No. 4, April, 1746, was taken captive
   and a gun taken from him, which he valued at E16. E4 was
   allowed him.
   [Massachusetts Archives, Vol. 73, p. 39.1

     Zacheus Blodgett in Capt. Hartwell's Company was killed
   by the Indians in 1748. His brother Oliver asked the Province
   Treasurer to pay the wages of Zacheus to Capt. John Colburn of
   Dracut.
   [Massachusetts Archives, Vol. 73, p. 405.]

     1748. Phineas Stevens' Company:
     Phineas Stevens, Capt.; Elias Alexander, Lieut.; John Burk,
   Sergt.; Caleb Howe, Sergt.; James Johnson, Clerk; Josiah Parker,
   Corp.; William Haywood, Corp.; Bildad Andrews, Surgeon;
   Benjamin Allen, Centinel; Nathaniel Andrews, Isaac Aplin,
   David Burr, Joseph Bloggett, Titus Belling, Robert Barber,
   Daniel Crosby, William Cranney, Thomas Carpenter, Thomas
   Clark, Benjamin Corey, Robert Campbell, Eleazor Davis, John
   Dodd, John Fletcher, Peter Fletcher, Josiah Foster, David Farns-
   worth, Joshua Gerry, Daniel Gray, Squier Goff, Jonathan Gray,
   James Cowin, Samuel Holmes, Eleazer Hotton, Isaiah Hills,
   John Henry, James Holding, Stephen Johnson, Forbes Hibble,
   Job., Meeden, Daniel McKinney, Isaac Parker, Joseph Perry,
   Nopl Paine, Benjamin Paine, Ephrairne Powers, Eleasar Priest,
   Josi-ph Russell, Joseph Rutlin, Peter Russell, Joshua Reid,
   Ebenezer Scott, Charles Stevens, John Stevenson, John Sununers,
   Josiah Suddock, Thomas Terry, Joshua Train, Joseph Wilson,
   Mathew Wyman, Moses Walker.
   [Massachusetts Archives, Vol. 92, p. 85.1

     1748. Elisha Hawley's Company:
     Ebenezer Gould, Corporal, Chelmsford; Oliver Barret,
   Centinel, Dracut; Thomas Blodget, Chelmsford; Nathaniel Hunt,
   Dracut~ Eliseus Barron, Dracut; John Corey, Billerica; Joseph
   Bates, bracut. , '
   [Massachusetts Arellives, Vol. 92, P. 901-1


22. James Carpenter

FATHER:  Is the father Thomas b. abt 1724/1729 of ,, VA
or                                 Thomas b. abt 1750 ,, VA, the son of the Thomas above.


24. Rebecca Carpenter

FATHER:  Is the father Thomas b. abt 1724/1729 of ,, VA
or                                 Thomas b. abt 1750 ,, VA, the son of the Thomas above.


25. 8 Carpenter

FATHER:  Is the father Thomas b. abt 1724/1729 of ,, VA
or                                 Thomas b. abt 1750 ,, VA, the son of the Thomas above.

Unnamed male who died in infancy.


26. Sudna Carpenter

The Carpenter and Related Family Historical Journal, Vol. 5, Winter 1994/1995,
Number 8, page 520, gives the impression Sudna belongs in this family as a
granddaughter to Joseph, daughter to Thomas Carpenter.
When she married in 1791 the Bondsman was Thomas Carpenter.  Whether this was
her brother or her father is unknown.

In this record their is two Sudna Carpenters who married Samuel Tanner on the
same date.  One of the Sudnas is in error and should be Sidney who married
Samuel Tanner on 5 Dec. 1791 per the History of Harrison County, West Virginia.