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Felilx Zimmerman
Harold P. Carpenter of Hanford, CA submitted this line in June 2008.
< harold-carpenter@sbcglobal.net >
Compare Groups 5 & 9 in the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project. Efforts are needed to correct the lineage of these two lines. FYI they are different genetically.
THIS IS GROUP 9!
BOOK: SEE CAUTION Below!
Carpenters A Plenty, by Robert C. Carpenter Published by Gateway Press, Baltimore, MD printed 1982 and reprinted 1993. 1,120 pages fully indexed.
ASIN: B0006E9S6W
Dewey Decimal Class: 929/.2/0973
Library of Congress: CS71.C3 1982
$60.00 postage paid Make Check or Money Orders to:
Robert C. Carpenter 319 Long Shoals Road Bessemer City, NC 28016
rcarpenter2@charter.net
704-922-7716
CAUTION: From: Robert Carpenter
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 3:22 PM
To: John R. Carpenter 2 ; Terry Carpenter ; Bob Carpenter
Cc: John Chandler ; ngibson176@comcast.net
Subject: Re: New DNA Test Results Posted for Kit number 218243 in Group Carpenter Cousins - Group 5
Dear John, Terry, and all,
I thank you for letting me in on the discussions about my book and research! I think I can clear up some of the issues you pose.
First of all, I was incorrect in Carpenters A Plenty that our Zimmermans descended from the Heinrich Z. family of Wattenwil, GROUP 9. All researchers had previously assumed that and failing documentation I also made that assumption. Insert DNA: The DNA test of course proved that the two families are in fact genetically distinct.
Over the past 10 years or maybe longer (? time flies) I have discovered the extensive Zimmerman family in Steffisburg, Canton of Bern. This family village is the location of our Zimmerman family. We are GROUP 5. That is our distinct Zimmerman group. Quite a number of Zimmerman descendants now relate to one another. The problem: Our Zimmermans of Steffisburg were Mennonite and Amish; therefore, they did not get their infants baptized. I have traced numerous Zimmermans from 1590 or so in Steffisburg only to have a gap around 1700. At that time many of these Zimmermans migrated to Alsace. In Alsace a Peter Zimmerman became a fellow preacher with Jakob Ammann and converted to the Amish sect. Which Peter? There are two in Alsace. There were four Hans Zimmermans in Alsace in the 1700-1720 range. Which one is which?
I am copying this to Bob Carpenter of Lompoc, California. He has done a superior job of keeping our Group involved and in following up on the most recent research and information.
Quickly here is what we know: Hans Zimmerman of the 1732 Pink Plaisance is directly related to members of the Zimmerman family of Germana colony in northern Virginia. Early members of that family left Steffisburg and settled in the German States before coming to America. Nicholaus Zimmerman and his two sons, Hans and Christian, arrived in 1733 on the ship Hope. They were from Steffisburg, to Alsace, to America. They also match genetically. Of the North Carolina Zimmermans the following match genetically--Peter, Jacob, Johannes, and Christian. We suspect all are children of Hans of the Pink Plaisance and the DNA seems to indicate that.
Enter Barto Hilton or Helton: Bob notified me of him and the genetic connection. I had been unable to locate him in my book (I think it is too long). I am delighted that you have indicated his ancestry. He apparently was a son of Joshua P. Carpenter; I even wrote in my book that he moved to Asheville but I had no idea he changed his last name. Joshua P. with Barto, Ailey (Alice), Pinckney, and a granddaughter Mamie were living in Burke County in 1880. I lost them there. Joshua P.'s wife was not in that household in 1880.
So I hope I have helped: Carpenters A Plenty Zimmermans are GROUP 5; GROUP 9 is the Wattenwil Zimmermans of Lancaster Co, PA. Everyone in Group 5 are genetically related and most descend from Pink Plaisance, Hope, and Germana immigrants. Let me know if this is too confusing; also, Bob Carpenter, please jump in with your comments.
Let me know if this has helped, Robert Carpenter