Group 9 - Descendants of Felilx Zimmerman Descendants of Felix Zimmerman - with Zimmerman & Carpenter surnames
Notes
326.
Rev. Samuel Carpenter Jr.
He helped Build the Hocking Canal.
When he built the Hocking Canal in 1838 extending from Lancaste r Ohio to Athens as the chief engineer one of his subordinates was William Tecumseh Sherman, later a General in the Civil War.
Came to Ohio in 1815-1816
County Surveyor for Fairfield County, Ohio 1823-1836
County Auditor 1820-1828
Civil Engineer
DEATH:
Name: Samuel Carpenter
Gender: Male
Burial Date:
Burial Place:
Death Date: 17 Aug 1870
Death Place: Fairfield Co., Ohio
Age: 76
Birth Date: 1794
Birthplace:
Occupation: Minister
Race: White
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B07025-3
System Origin: Ohio-EASy
GS Film number: 295271
Reference ID: Bk1 p66-67
Citing this Record:
"Ohio, Deaths and Burials, 1854-1997," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F6JP-19M : accessed 25 Mar 2014), Samuel Carpenter, 17 Aug 1870; citing Fairfield Co., Ohio, reference Bk1 p66-67; FHL microfilm 295271.
GRAVE:
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Rev Samuel Carpenter
Birth: Jul. 18, 1794
Lancaster County
Pennsylvania, USA
Death: Aug. 19, 1870, USA
Burial:
Elmwood Cemetery
Lancaster
Fairfield County
Ohio, USA
Created by: Henderson
Record added: Dec 29, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 82687501
Mary Salome Hess
lived in Franklin co OH before Marrige
327.
Michael Carpenter
SAR:
U.S., Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications, 1889-1970
Name: Michael Carpenter
SAR Membership: 70875
Birth Date: 22 Sep 1796
Death Date: 5 Nov 1860
Father: Samuel Carpenter
Mother: Catherine Weidler
Spouse: Lech Bitner
Children: Israel Carpenter
Source Citation: Volume: 355; SAR Membership Number: 70875.
Source Information:
Ancestry.com. U.S., Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications, 1889-1970 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011.
CENSUS: 1850 US Census
1850 United States Federal Census
Michael Carpenter
Age: 53
Birth Year: abt 1797
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1850: Lancaster North West Ward, Lancaster, Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Family Number: 693
Household Members: Name Age
Michael Carpenter 53
Leah Carpenter 53
Catherine R Carpenter 24
Mary E Carpenter 18
Emma D Carpenter 15
Lucy E Carpenter 12
Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: Lancaster North West Ward, Lancaster, Pennsylvania; Roll: M432_788; Page: 291B; Image: 586.
CENSUS: 1860 US Census 1860 United States Federal Census
Michael Carpenter
Age in 1860: 63
Birth Year: abt 1797
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1860: Lancaster, North West Ward, Lancaster, Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Post Office: Lancaster
Value of real estate:
Household Members: Name Age
Michael Carpenter 63
Leah Carpenter 63
Mary Carpenter 27
Lucy Carpenter 21
D F Morentzy 29
Rebecca Morentzy 30
Westly Morentzy 1
Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Lancaster, North West Ward, Lancaster, Pennsylvania; Roll: M653_1126; Page: 482; Image: 261; Family History Library Film: 805126.
GRAVE:
Tonya Mooreadded this on 2 Dec 2011 - Tonya Mooreoriginally submitted this to Friends, Romans & Countrymen on 25 Nov 2011
Category Type:Headstone
Inscription: MICHAEL CARPENTER/DEPARTED THIS LIFE/NOVEMBER 5, 1860/AGED 64 YEARS 1 MO/AND 17 DAYS/WE MISS HIM
Headstone Details
Cemetery name: Lancaster Cemetery
Name on headstone: Michael Carpenter
Birth: 1796 - Lancaster County Pennsylvania, USA
Death: 1860 - Lancaster County Pennsylvania, USA
BOOK: Harris, Alexander,. A biographical history of Lancaster County : being a history of early settlers and eminent men of the county, as also much other unpublished historical information, chiefly of a local character. Lancaster, Pa.: Elias Barr & Co., 1872. About pages 129-133 (OCRed text)
CARPENTER, Michael, son of Samuel Carpenter, was born September 22nd, 1796, in Warwick township, Lancaster county, Pennsylvania. He removed with his father to Lancaster, in 1807, and learned the business of a turner. Becoming involved in speculative enterprises in which he
132 BIOGRAPHICAL HISTORY
met with heavy losses, he turned his attention to the writing of deeds and other instruments of legal transactions ; in a word, he became a scrivener. In this career he seemed to have found the business for which he was best fitted ; and in the year 18^3 he was elected Mayor of the city of Lancaster, and by successive reelections continued to fill this oflBce up to 1852. In stature, unlike his father, he was not corpulent, but rather of a spare build. He was of a feeble rather than of a robust constitution. In disposition he was kind and gentle, yet grave and serene in his demeanor. He was a man of a high order of integrity and moral worth, and a devoted and humble Christian. He was of industrious and steady habits, and devoted himself sedulously and constantly to business until overtaken by disease (pulmonary consumption), which caused his death, August 5th, 1861.
Mary Leah Bitner
FATHER: JOHANN JACOB BÜTTNER 1758 – 1848
MOTHER: VERONICA SECHRIST 1763 – 1853
661.
Catherine Rebecca Carpenter
SPOUSE:
DEMONT FAIRMONT MORENZY 1832 – 1905
Children:
Egan Morenzy 1856 – 1857
Wesley Morenzy 1859 – 1901
ALBERT C MORENZY 1863 – 1946
Edgar Abner Morenzy 1865 –
Demont Fairmont Morenzy
Parents
WILLIAM DE MONTMORENCY
LETIRRA EAGON
329.
Israel Carpenter
Census
1800
1810
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1820 Delaware Co OH
1830, ,Concord Twp., Delaware Co OH; roll 130; page 63.
0-0-Israel Carpenter-3-1-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-2-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-8-0-0-0-
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1840 Shelby Co.,ILL., roll 70, pg 183
Israel Carpenter,01120010000000100001000000000000000000000000000000704000000000000000000000000
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ts46y11d. came to Shelby Co ILL in 1837, Okaw Township
Geographical movment
Lancaster PA, Delaware OH, Shelby ILL
AFN Isi4-J8q, Cd#14 Pin70811, Cd#49 Pin329419
Harold P. Carpenter of Hanford, CA submitted this line in June 2008.
< harold-carpenter@sbcglobal.net >
Susan Hess
Census
1800
1810
1820
1830
1840
1850
1860
1870
1880
ts90y8m18d.
Afn Isi4-Hp8, Cd#14 Pin70780, Cd#49 Pin329598
Geographical movments
Bedford PA. 1798 Ross Co., OH,1802 Franklin Co., OH.,1817 Delaware Co., OH., 1835 Shelbyville, Shelby Co.,ILL.
666.
Marie E. Carpenter
AFN P83B-QQ
had thirteen children
David Freshwater
1840 Census,same page as Israel Carpenter.
had thirteen childern
668.
John Carpenter
AFN 1S14-JB5
670.
Martha Ann Carpenter
AFN 1S14-JDK
674.
William Carpenter
AFN 1S14-JJD
676.
Balthazer Carpenter
AFN 1S14-JKL
335.
Nehemiah Carpenter
[ZIMMERMANCARPENTER.FTW]
1860 Census
Ancestry.com
Image 468
Cedar Rapids, Linn Co., Iowa
Page 134
Aug. 5 1860
1850 Census
Ancestry.com
Images 10 & 11
Bern, Fairfield Co., Ohio
Page 435
Sept. 5 1850 [ZIMMERMANCARPENTER.ged]
Nickname: Hama
GRAVE:
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Nehemiah Carpenter
Birth: 1808
Lancaster County
Pennsylvania, USA
Death: May 20, 1866
Linn County
Iowa, USA
Son of David & Susannah Carpenter
Married Mary Johnston - 1828 in Lancaster county, Pennsylvania
Parents of Amanda Carpenter [Clark]
James S Carpenter
Ezekiel Carpenter
Rebecca Carpenter [Kanode -Currier -Canfield]
David M Carpenter
Catharine Carpenter [McArthur]
Paul Carpenter
Gabriel Boswell Carpenter
Maria Carpenter [Hinson]
Zachary Taylor Carpenter
Louisa Carpenter
Mary Elizabeth Carpenter
Samuel Carpenter
Family links:
Parents:
David Carpenter (1771 - 1847)
Susannah Carpenter Carpenter (1773 - 1840)
Spouse:
Mary Johnston Carpenter (1811 - 1891)
Children:
Amanda Carpenter Osborne (1828 - 1909)*
James S Carpenter (1829 - 1907)*
Ezekial Carpenter (1831 - 1895)*
Rebecca Carpenter Canfield (1832 - 1900)*
David M Carpenter (1835 - 1907)*
Catharine Carpenter McArthur (1838 - 1926)*
Paul Carpenter (1841 - 1910)*
Gabriel Boswell Carpenter (1844 - 1928)*
Zachariah Taylor Carpenter (1849 - 1936)*
Louisa M Carpenter Stinson (1850 - 1918)*
Samuel Nehemiah Carpenter (1857 - 1952)*
*Calculated relationship
Burial:
Buffalo Cemetery
Hiawatha
Linn County
Iowa, USA
Created by: Toni Helvey Schlaefli
Record added: May 26, 2009
Find A Grave Memorial# 37532379
IMAGES: See images from Find-A-Grave
RIN 113872 Nehemiah Carpenter.jpg
RIN 113872 Nehemiah Carpenter Fam.jpg - he is not in picture!
RIN 113872 Nehemiah Carpenter GRAVE.jpg
339.
Gabriel Carpenter
[ZIMMERMANCARPENTER.FTW]
Prominent Cedar Rapids, Iowa Businessman: featured in the Carpen ter Book by Seymour Carpenter[ZIMMERMANCARPENTER.ged]
Prominent Cedar Rapids, Iowa Businessman: featured in the Carpen ter Book by Seymour Carpenter
355.
John C. Carpenter
ANCESTRY:
Y-DNA testing of a single descendant does not show a genetic link to Group 9. This means the lineage given for this person's ancestry is questionable with either of the two Christian Carpenters who have been listed as the father and grandfather of this John C. Carpenter. Or elsewhere.
Christian Carpenter-114699 b. 9 Oct 1768 , Lancaster, PA - 14 Feb 1839 PA
Christian Carpenter-114172 b. 2 Apr 1729 PA - d. 1800 PA
The following Gabriel has several descendants Y-DNA tested and are in Group 9 of the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project. Gabriel Carpenter-113416 b c1704 Switzerland, d 1767 PA .
MORE RESEARCH NEEDED!
NAME:
Middle name C. for Charles? Or C. for Christian? Or ...
See: NOTE: below and the paragraph just above the signature area.
PARENTS:
Per FaG ...
Christian Carpenter (1768 - 1839)
Maria Carpenter (1778 - 1842)
CENSUS: 1840 US Census - This John is too old, but old enough to be the father?
Name: John Carpenter
Home in 1840 (City, County, State): Lampeter, Lancaster, Pennsylvania
Free White Persons - Males - 60 thru 69: 1 <---------- born abt 1771 to 1780
Free White Persons - Females - 50 thru 59: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 70 thru 79: 1
Total Free White Persons: 3
Total All Persons - Free White, Free Colored, Slaves: 3
Source Citation
Year: 1840; Census Place: Lampeter, Lancaster, Pennsylvania; Roll: 467; Page: 390; Image: 791; Family History Library Film: 0020547
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1840 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Sixth Census of the United States, 1840. (NARA microfilm publication M704, 580 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
SEE ALSO:
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1840," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHRY-SNK : 24 August 2015), John Carpenter, Lampeter, Lancaster, Pennsylvania, United States; citing p. 390, NARA microfilm publication M704, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 467; FHL microfilm 20,547.
CENSUS: 1850 US Census
Name: John Carpenter
Age: 35
Birth Year: abt 1815
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1850: East Lampeter, Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA
Gender: Male
Family Number: 77
Household Members:
Name Age
John Carpenter 35
Margret Carpenter 30
Jackson Carpenter 11
Mark Carpenter 9
Maryann Carpenter 7
Eliza Ann Carpenter 5
Sewera Carpenter 3
Source Citation
Year: 1850; Census Place: East Lampeter, Lancaster, Pennsylvania; Roll: M432_788; Page: 199B; Image: 402
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1850 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2009. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data: Seventh Census of the United States, 1850; (National Archives Microfilm Publication M432, 1009 rolls); Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29; National Archives, Washington, D.C.
CENSUS: 1860 US Census
CENSUS: 1870 US Census
Name: John Carpenter
Age in 1870: 58
Birth Year: abt 1812
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1870: New Market, Frederick, Maryland
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Urbana
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
John Carpenter 58
Margaret Carpenter 50
Elizabeth Carpenter 22
Louisa Carpenter 20
Peter Carpenter 18
Martha Carpenter 16
Source Citation
Year: 1870; Census Place: New Market, Frederick, Maryland; Roll: M593_587; Page: 400A; Image: 397470; Family History Library Film: 552086
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1870 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2009. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Original data:
1870 U.S. census, population schedules. NARA microfilm publication M593, 1,761 rolls. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.
CENSUS: 1880 US Census
Name: John C . Carpenter
Age: 72
Birth Year: abt 1808
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1880: New Market, Frederick, Maryland
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Margaret M. Carpenter
Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Mother's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farmer
Cannot read/write:
Blind:
Deaf and dumb:
Otherwise disabled:
Idiotic or insane:
Household Members:
Name Age
John C. Carpenter 72
Margaret M. Carpenter 63
Elizar A. Carpenter 28
Peter J. Carpenter 26
Source Citation
Year: 1880; Census Place: New Market, Frederick, Maryland; Roll: 510; Family History Film: 1254510; Page: 336D; Enumeration District: 081; Image: 0283
Source Information
Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 1880 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010. 1880 U.S. Census Index provided by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints © Copyright 1999 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved. All use is subject to the limited use license and other terms and conditions applicable to this site.
Original data: Tenth Census of the United States, 1880. (NARA microfilm publication T9, 1,454 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
GRAVE: image
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John C Carpenter
Birth: Jan. 6, 1808
Death: Jul. 20, 1880
Family links:
Parents:
Christian Carpenter (1768 - 1839)
Maria Carpenter (1778 - 1842)
Spouse:
Margaret Carpenter (1818 - 1896)
Children:
Mary Ann Carpenter Zobel (1845 - 1931)*
Siblings:
Lucy Carpenter Eckert (1798 - 1867)*
Charles Carpenter (1799 - 1802)*
Mary Carpenter (1802 - 1828)*
Elizabeth S. Carpenter Levering (1804 - 1833)*
Charles Carpenter (1806 - 1807)*
John C Carpenter (1808 - 1880)
Paul Carpenter (1810 - 1880)*
William Carpenter (1812 - 1875)*
*Calculated relationship
Burial:
Mount Olivet Cemetery
Frederick
Frederick County
Maryland, USA
Plot: Area P
Created by: Kim K
Record added: Mar 22, 2009
Find A Grave Memorial# 35081483
NOTE:
Page 1 Of 2
THE ANCESTRY OF JOHN C. CARPENTER
Preface:
These are the facts discovered that permit a conclusion that John C. Carpenter is the son of Christian Carpenter Jr., son of Christian Carpenter Sr., son of Gabriel Carpenter, son of Henrich Carpenter * who changed his name from Zimmerman to Carpenter at the request of William Penn. * (The Immigrant)
THE FACTS:
1. The cemetery records of the Mt. Olivet Cemetery in Frederick Md. reads as follows:- John C. Carpenter, b. 16 Jan. 1808., Lancaster Pa., d. 20 July 1880, Frederick Md. The pertinent facts here are that John C. Carpenter was born in Lancaster in the year of 1808 !
2. John C's second son was named Mark Connell Carpenter. I have, a circa 1850 map of West Earl Township, of Lancaster County and it shows that the property of Christian Carpenter Jr. adjoins that of Mark Connell Esq. and thus locates the "homeplace" of John C. near the location of the Carpenter Church which is located on the property of Christian Carpenter- Jr.
3.The Herr family intermarried frequently with the Carpenters. (Christian Carpenter Sr. married Susan Herr) I have a copy of the listing cf' the Christian Carpenter Jr. family as it appears in the Herr family genealogy; as follows:-
Children of Christian Carpenter Jr. and Mary Carpenter: **
1. Levi 8. Charles
2. Lucy 9. Paul b. 1810, d. 1880
3. CharIes 10. William b. 1812, d.. 1875
4. Isreal 11. Sarah
5. Gabriel, b. 1801, d, 1881 12. (a daughter)
6. Mary 13. Francis
7. Elizabeth
(Note the two boys named Charles) .
While dates are sparse, it is very fortunate that the dates of birth for Paul and William do appear for, if you substitute John Charles (John C.) for No. 8 "Charles" and add John C's birthdate of 1808, it becomes obvious that our John C. fits into this family exactly1 . Mark Connell Carpenter named his first son"Charles" which is in keeping with the German custom of naming the eldest son after the father's father. I attribute the "John" preceding the "Charles" to the desire of No. 3 Charles to distinguish him, self from the No. 3 Charles that, presumably, died young: The premature death is an assumption and an alternate possibility will be discussed later.
5. In the 1850 census of Lancaster Co— there is a John Carpenter listed along witth his wife Margaret, but there is no Charles listed!
6. John Charles's brother Gabriel married Matilda Connell !
CONCLUSION:-
JOHN C. CARPENTER (cont.) Page 2 of 2.
The above six facts. listed, lead me to the conclusion that John C. Carpenter is in fact the son of Christian Carpenter Jr. of Earlville (now Talmadge) Pa.
There is also the possibility that along the way, some Historians misread his notes and mistook his abbreviation of the name Christian for the abbreviation of Charles. It is my observation that documents of the period 1800 to 1690 frequently abbreviated given names of men to a single letter or a pair of letters followed by a small underlined letter which was the ending letter of the name. ie:
Jacob = Jb (J with an supercript b)
John = Jn (J with an supercript n)
Michael = Ml (M with an supercript l)
Abraham = Abm (Ab with an supercript m)
David = Dd (D with an supercript d)
Christian = Chn (Ch with an supercript n)
Charles = Cha (Ch with an supercript a)
I contend that Chn could easily be misread for Cha thus allowing for two boys named Charles instead of one named Charles and one named Christian. I lean toward accepting the former reasoning and am hereby changing my pedigree to list my Great Grandfather as John Charles Carpenter, son of Christian Jr, son of Christian Sr, bon of Gabriel, son of Heinrich Zimmerman, the immigrant.
Signature of Marion Sargent Carpenter
Marion Sargent Carpenter
Arcadia Ca. 19 Sept. 1983
** Mary Carpenter, wife of Christian Carpenter Jr., was a daughter of Emanuel Carpenter II and as such, was a second cousin to her husband.
Margaret M. Davis
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Margaret Carpenter
Birth: Jul. 24, 1818
Death: Mar. 9, 1896
Aged 77 years, 7 months and 15 days
Family links:
Spouse:
John C Carpenter (1808 - 1880)*
Children:
Mary Ann Carpenter Zobel (1845 - 1931)*
*Calculated relationship
Burial:
Mount Olivet Cemetery
Frederick
Frederick County
Maryland, USA
Plot: Area P
Created by: Kim K
Record added: Mar 22, 2009
Find A Grave Memorial# 35075402
725.
Mary Ann Carpenter
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Mary Ann Carpenter Zobel
Birth: Mar. 26, 1845
Death: Dec. 4, 1931
Family links:
Parents:
John C Carpenter (1808 - 1880)
Margaret Carpenter (1818 - 1896)
Spouse:
Phillip Henry Zobel (1840 - 1929)
Children:
Philip Henry Zobel (1868 - 1938)*
George Washington Zobel (1877 - 1955)*
Matilda Ruann Zobel Grove (1880 - 1944)*
August John Zobel (1883 - 1968)*
*Calculated relationship
Burial:
Alliance Cemetery
Alliance
Box Butte County
Nebraska, USA
Created by: David Goltry
Record added: Aug 29, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 75665776
Phillip Henry Zobel
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Phillip Henry Zobel
Birth: Jan. 12, 1840
Death: May 26, 1929
Family links:
Spouse:
Mary Ann Carpenter Zobel (1845 - 1931)*
Children:
Philip Henry Zobel (1868 - 1938)*
George Washington Zobel (1877 - 1955)*
Matilda Ruann Zobel Grove (1880 - 1944)*
August John Zobel (1883 - 1968)*
*Calculated relationship
Burial:
Alliance Cemetery
Alliance
Box Butte County
Nebraska, USA
Created by: David Goltry
Record added: Aug 29, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 75665882
730.
Andrew Jackson Carpenter
ANCESTRY:
http://person.ancestry.com/tree/55883755/person/40031209412/facts
Is this person in the right family? Need to add spouses and children and checking all sources and such.