Descendants of William Carpenter of Rehoboth, Plymouth Colony, that part now in Bristol County, MA
Notes
56.
Zachariah Carpenter
NOTE: See father's notes for Gene Zubrinsky's data on this individual.
ZACHARIAH MARRIED MARTHA IDE, DAUGHTER OF NICHOLAS IDE ON 8 NOV 1705.
HE LIVED 38 YEARS. HE SOLD PROPERTY IN ATTLEBORO AND REHOBOTH 23 APR 1718 FOR 450 POUNDS.
Number 70 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 60. His family is on page 81 (#39)
Birth date might be 10 Jul 1680, or this maybe a Chr date.
Burial date may be 18 April.
Martha Ide
AFN GTGX-92 and N9WK-H1 are the same person, as is QCZ1-0M listed as
Martha IDE CARPENTER.
DEATH: AF has 17 Jun 1727 but this is the date of daughter Martha's death. Gene Zubrinsky has 22 Aug 1756 when she died as "Martha Walker." See husband Zachariah's notes.
338.
Martha Carpenter
Number 287 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 81
340.
Patience Carpenter
Number 289 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 81
57.
Abraham Carpenter
NOTE: See father's notes for Gene Zubrinsky's data on this individual.
BIRTH: AF has 20 Sep 1682 but Gene Zubrinsky cites 25 Sep 1682. See above.
ABRAHAM MARRIED ABIALL OR ABIGAIL BULLARD ON 1 MAY 1705. SHE DIED 5 JUN 1713.
2) ELEANOR CHORD ON 22 APR 1714 AND SHE DIED 27 DEC 1762 -AGE 85
HE WAS A FARMER.
!Number 71 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 60. Family on page 82 (#40).
The last will and testament of Abraham Carpenter, dated 2 Jan 1756, proved 24
Oct 1758, gives to his son Abiel, whom he makes executor, one half of his
estate; to his grandson Abraham, the other half: to his wife Eleanor all the
indoor moveables, and after her decease to be devided between "my granddaughter
Abiel Carpenter and Lois Carpenter the daughter of my granddaughter Amey."
Both Abiel (the son) and Abraham are to pay 5 pounds to the granddaughter Abiel
when she comes of age. Witnessed by Thomas Carpenter, Joseph Hopkins and
Judith Carpenter. By the will it appears that Abiel was his only living child.
This individual has the following other parents in the Ancestral File:
Samuel /CARPENTER/ (AFN:8N40-R1) and Sarah /READWAY/ (AFN:8N40-S6)
Abraham was much interested in building and supporting a place of worship as
is indicated by the following and took a very active part in that direction in
the community in which he lived;
"That whereas, it was conditionly voted and agreed by the inhabitants of the
Town of Rehoboth, at a lawful town meeting, the 21th day of October 1717, that
the congregation of Palmer's River should have 50 pounds in money for and
towards finishing the meeting house now set up and begun to be built at
Palmer's River.
We the subscribers hereof belonging to the said congregation of Palmer's River
do accept of the said 50 pounds according to the said town vote in that matter:
and do promise and engage for to clear and acquit the town of any further
charge or trouble for finishing the aforesaid meeting house now begun at
Palmer's River.
In testimony, and for the confirmation thereof, we have hereunto subscribed our
hands this ninth day of June, 'Anno Domini' 1718."
Among the signitures to the above is the name of Abraham Carpenter.
There is additional notes to the above on page 60 of the Carpenter Memorial.
Abiell Abiall (not Abigail) /Bullard
AF number 8N40-QT (d. 5 Jun 1713, m. 22 Apr 1758) and 8N40-PN (d. 22 Apr 1758,
and married 5 Jun 1713) are the same person. The second AFN seems more
correct. Even though death date belongs to her husband. She died 5 June 1713.
BIRTH: AF has 20 Sep 1684 in Rehoboth but Gene Zubrinsky cites b. Medfield, Mass., 29 [prob. Sept. or Oct. 1681]. See husband's notes.
341.
Abraham Carpenter
Number 290 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 82
The CM has birth date as 8 Sept 1705. The AF has Birth as 8 Oct 1706.
343.
Simeon Carpenter
Number 292 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 82.
58.
Hannah Carpenter
Notes below by Eugene Cole Zubrinsky
Ojai, California, 2009
i. HANNAH3 CARPENTER, b. between ca. 1659 (parents m. ca. 1658) and say 1661/2, living Musketa Cove 19 March 1719/20 (husband's will); m. Musketa Cove or vicinity before 17 Feb. 1682[/3?] (probably by 14 Jan. 1681[/2?]), WILLIAM THORNYCRAFT, b. probably Warwick, d. Musketa Cove between 6 April 1720 (sold land) and 19 Dec. 1728 (will proved), son of Thomas and Jean? (______) Thornycraft of Warwick (by 1647) and Maspeth Kills, Newtown (now Elmhurst, Queens Co.), L.I. (NYWills 11:80; MARRIAGE, above; WarTR1 1-296 passim [215, 217]; WarTR2 29, 141, 251, 252, 329; Cock-Cocks-Cox 357; OBTR 1:378, 6:654; NYGBR 64:31, citing NTR [1:]158).
On 17 February 1682 [probably 1682/3], William Thornycraft conveyed "twenty Accars of Land unto _his father in Law_ Joseph Carpenter . . . for and in Consideration of fifty Accars of Land in hand and reseaved, of _his father_ Joseph Carpenter" (emphases added) (OBTR 1:643; Carpenter [1901] 45 omits portion of quoted passage following ellipsis points). On the same date, Carpenter, in an exchange of fifty-acre lots with Nicholas Simkins, obtained the parcel he gave to Thornycraft, abutting the twenty acres his son-in-law gave him in return (OBTR 1:642-44). Thornycraft's right to the twenty acres of woodland he traded to Joseph Carpenter had been granted to him on 14 Jan. 1681[/2?] by a deed from the five Musketa Cove proprietors, including Carpenter (OBTR 1:639-40). It is doubtful that this grant to Thornycraft--also including "A sartin peece or parsell of Land whare hee now Inhabitts and Builtt upon for A home Lott as within fenc Allredy InClosed" and a parcel of upland--would have been made until he had married (in which case he need not have been twenty-one to receive it). The lots Thornycraft and Carpenter exchanged were adjacent and thus presumably of comparable quality. From this, the transfers' transaction date, and a gift of land made by Joseph Carpenter probably four days (rather than a year and four days) earlier (see no. ii, below), it is reasonable to conclude that the thirty acres Thornycraft gained from the trade was a marriage settlement from his father-in-law. The will of William Thorneycraft Sr. of Musketa Cove, dated 19 March 1719/20 and proved 19 Dec. 1728, names wife Hannah; sons William, Joseph, and Thomas; and daughters Hannah Washburn, Elizabeth Pellam (Pelham), Mary Thorneycraft, Jane Carpenter [m. cousin Silas, son of William (no. iv, below)], and Phebe Thorneycraft; the witnesses were Mary Carpenter, Thomas Pearsall, and Joseph Carpenter (NYWills 11:80, 85). . . .
D. H. Carpenter gives Joseph and Hannah a sixth child: Hannah, "born 1672-3, married Jacob Hicks in 1690" (Carpenter [1901] 43). A few secondary sources state that the maiden name of Jacob Hicks's wife was Carpenter, but not all give her parentage, and none presents supporting evidence (see, for example, Mott Gen 372; Shotwell Gen 237, 280; Cornell Gen 383; Seaman-Husband 84). In his will, dated in 1751, Jacob Hicks's bequests to wife Hannah include "all the goods she brought with her when married" (NYWills 5:93-94). The quoted phrase implies that Hannah (whatever her maiden name) was not Hicks's first wife and probably married him long after his children were born (at Hempstead between 1702--making a 1690 marriage date unlikely [see above]--and about 1718) (see Colonial Fams 3:1330). More to the point, however, the Carpenter daughter whom D. H. Carpenter is unable to identify by forename but correctly describes as having married William Thornycraft is almost certainly the woman whom Thornycraft's will calls "my wife Hannah" (see Carpenter [1901] 43; NYWills 11:80; child no. i, above).
[Gene Zubrinsky's notes end here.]
Old Notes follow.
Number 15 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901.
NOTE: Gene Zubrinsky wrote, "Hannah4 Carpenter (Hannah3, William2 of Rehoboth): Born Pawtuxet (not Flushing); died almost certainly Musketa Cove (not Rockaway) after 1719. (The only Carpenter during this period associated with the vicinity of Rockaway was her paternal uncle Ephraim, who, late in life, settled at West Neck, on the south side of Oyster Bay Twp and probably died there.) She's the Carpenter daughter whose forename Carpenter [1901] was unable to supply; she married William Thornycraft. There's no evidence that Jacob Hicks's wife was a Carpenter, let alone a daughter of Hannah3." See Gene's notes above.
William Thornycraft
AFN MTLC-23 and 8Mj3-4B are the same
!NAME: Thorncraft as in AF or ThornYcraft as in other records.
See: Hannah Carpenter's notes, and his Will info.
Ruth Carpenter
Number 28 in the Carpenter Family in America, 1901 book.
MARRIAGE: Vide the Record of St. George's Church, Hempstead, NY.
Jacob Hicks
NOTE: Gene Zubrinsky indicates that there is no evidence that the Hannah who married Jacob Hicks, was born a Carpenter. See Hannah Carpenter's notes. Feb 2009 JRC
AFN 8MH8-3Q and MTLC-7X are the same person.
This Hicks line updated by: T.J. Van Hooser of Amarillo, TX in a letter
dated 22 Feb. 1999.
Subj: Hannah CARPENTER-626 (1671) Date: 99-05-19 18:44:22 EDT
From: LMORE@worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Gordon More)
To: JRCRIN001 (John R. Carpenter)
John,
From the Marriage of Hannah Carpenter and Jacob Hicks, comes these
decendants from Long Island Genealogies, p. 212 - 215, comes these
decendants.
Larry
Children of THOMAS3 and Mary Butler:
Thomas4 m. Deborah Valentine.
Jacob4 b. about 1669, m. 1690, Hannah Carpenter,
he d. 1755.
Married 2d Mary Doughty and had:
Isaac,4 William,4 John,4 Charles,4 Benjamin,4
Charity,4 Mary,4 Elisabeth,4 Stephen,4 Phebe,4
m. Samuel Seaman, son of Capt. John.
JACOB4 Hicks (Thomas3 John2 Robert1) lived at Rockaway, m. Hannah
Carpenter, had:
Samuel5 m. Martha Doughty.
Stephen,5 Thomas,5 m. 1730, Temperance Titus,
dau. of Silas and Sarah Haight.
Joseph,5 Jacob.5
Benjamin5 b. about 1716, m. 1736, Phebe b. 1717,
d. 1800, dau. of Silas Titus and Sarah, he d. 1744.
Elisabeth,5 John,5 m. 1st Martha Smith, 2d Phebe
Powell.
Sarah,5 Hannah,5 m. David Titus, son of Silas
and Sarah.
BENJAMIN5 HICKS and wife Phebe (Titus) had:
Silas6 b. 1737, m. 1762, Rachel, b. 1742, dau. of
Samuel Seaman and Martha Valentine.
Benjamin6 b. 1739, m. 1765, 1st Elisabeth Mott,
2d 1774, Mary Mott, dau. of Jehu and Ruth
(Powell).
Samuel6 b. 1741, m. 1st 1765, Phebe Seaman, 2d
1794, Amy (Shotwell, dau. of Joseph) widow of
Charles Brooks.
Sarah6 b. 1744, m. 1764, Richard Albertson, she d.
1818.
BENJAMIN6 HICKS and 1st wife Elisabeth had son Mott7 Hicks, 2d had:
Elisabeth7 b. April 24, 1775, m. Cornell Willis.
Silas7 b. 1777, m. Sallie Titus, dau. of Silas.
Sarah7 b 1780, m. Henry Haydock.
Mary7 b. 1782, single.
Temperance7 b. 1784, m. 1812, Henry Mott.
Benjamin7 b. June 14, 1790, m. Mary Morrill.
Phebe7 b. 1793, m. Abraham Brookes, son of
Charles and Amy.
Robert7 M. b. 1799, m. Rosanna Leggett.
Children of SAMUEL6 HICKS and (Phebe) Seaman:
Isaac7 b. 1767, m. Sarah Doughty, dau. of John
and Abigail, he d. 1820.
Samuel7 m.
Valentine7 m. Abigail, dau. of Elias Hicks.
Phebe7 m. John Clapp.
Elisabeth7 b. 1771.
ISAAC7 HICKS and Sarah Doughty had:
John8 D. b. 1791, m. Sarah Rushmore, b. 1790, d.
1893, he d. Oct. 10, 1829.
Robert8 m. Mary U. Mott.
Benjamin8 m. Elisabeth Hicks, dau. of Whitehead.
Isaac,8 Mary,8 d.
Elisabeth8 m. 1st Wm. Seaman, 2d Wm. T. Cock,
son of Samuel.
60.
Joseph Carpenter
Notes below by Eugene Cole Zubrinsky
Ojai, California, 2009. See father's notes for complete listing.
Children of Joseph2 and Hannah (Carpenter) Carpenter, i-iv born probably at Pawtuxet (Warwick) (birth order uncertain):
iii. JOSEPH CARPENTER, b. between ca. 1659 and 9 July 1663 (perhaps by 13 Feb. 1661/2), d. Musketa Cove between 9 Sept. 1687 (quitrent payment) and 6 Jan. 1691 [probably 1691/2]; m. by 1685 (1st known child b. 16 Oct.) (OBTR 2:337, 350-51).
That records dated in mid-Feb. 1682[/3] call his father Joseph "Sr:" or "Sen:" suggests that Joseph (Jr.) was by then of age (OBTR 1:640-41; DEATH, par. 3, above). He was certainly so by 9 July 1684, when he and his mother were named administrators of his father's estate (Hist Mss 130). He was "late deceased" when a "memorandum" of the birth, on 16 Oct. 1685, of his "Eldest son and Heire," Joseph, was recorded at the top of a page also containing a record dated 6 Jan. 1691 (OBTR 2:350-51).
The identity of Joseph's wife is at best uncertain. The wife Ann(e) that D. H. Carpenter attributes to him was probably his stepmother, Ann (Weekes) Carpenter (see Carpenter [1901] 44; OBTR 1:644-47, 2:127-29, 650-51). Hinshaw gives Joseph's namesake son's mother as Anne, but while his main sources are original Quaker records, they are supplemented by others, some secondary (see Quaker Gen 1, 391). The younger Joseph's Musketa Cove birth record does not name his mother, and the otherwise informative Quaker record of his death names neither parent (see OBTR 2:350; Carpenter [1901] 64n and Hazard Index, both citing WMM-VR A:159). It is therefore probable that Hinshaw's identification of the younger man's mother as Anne derives ultimately from the D. H. Carpenter volume. Note, however, that the younger Joseph's first daughter was named Ann (Quaker Genealogy 391; Carpenter [1901] 66, 93). D. H. Carpenter's further supposition concerning the elder Joseph's wife--"we now think she was daughter of Thomas Thornycraft and sister to William Thornycraft"--is unsupported, as is the assertion of another author (whose Carpenter section builds upon Carpenter [1901]) that she was probably Mary Thornycraft (see Carpenter [1901] 44; Cock-Cocks-Cox 357).
Joseph3 had a second son, Thomas, who is said by D. H. Carpenter to have been born on 16 Aug. 1687 (OBTR 3:344-45 [1708 quitclaim, Joseph to "my Brother Thomas"]; Carpenter [1901] 44 [b. 15 Aug.], 67; Haviland Gen 110). Seeming to confirm this is the 1 Jan. 1859 account by Sarah C. Field (1797-1879) of a family record then in her possession or that of her mother, Jane (Haviland) Field (1765-1860), giving Thomas's birth date as "8 mo., 16th day, 1687" (Haviland Gen 186). Prior to 1752, however, the eighth month was not August but October (as consistent with the latter's Latin origin). Without informing the reader of his translations, D. H. Carpenter expresses with named months many dates that are actually recorded with numbered ones (including all those from Quaker records). Because his conversions of pre-1752 numbered-month dates are mistakenly based on modern reckoning, they are consistently off by two months. Note, however, that Thomas's corrected birth date, 16 October 1687, contains the same day and month as his brother Joseph's (see above). So while the October date is more reliable than the August one, the former should nevertheless be regarded with some caution. Thomas certainly had been born by 26 Nov. 1687: he and brother Joseph sold land to their uncle Nathaniel on 26 Nov. 1708 (OBTR 3:310-12).
The aforementioned family record gives the date of Joseph3's son Thomas's marriage as "10 mo., 14th day, 1708" [14 Dec. (not Oct.) 1708] (Haviland Gen 110 [Oct.], 186 [10 mo.]; see also Carpenter [1901] 67 [Oct.]). While his wife is identified therein only as Hannah, several secondary sources have her as Hannah Alsop, daughter of Thomas [sic] and Hannah (Underwood) Alsop (see, for example, Haviland Gen 110; Carpenter [1901] 67). This is doubly incorrect, however: First, the secondary literature has long accepted (albeit without documentation) that Hannah Underwood married the immigrant Richard Alsop; the earliest Thomas Alsop was their son, born in 1687 (also Thomas Carpenter's birth year), who married Susannah Blackwell (GMB 3:1862, 1863; Alsop Gen 3, 4; Underhill Gen 65). And second, Richard and Hannah Alsop's daughter Hannah married Joseph Sackett (Alsop Gen 2 [Richard Alsop will (transcr.), naming dau. Hannah Sackett], 4; Underhill Gen 66). There was a marriage between a Thomas Carpenter, son of Joseph, and a Hannah Alsop, daughter of Richard, but it occurred in 1777 (Hazard Index, citing WMM-VR A:250). The identity of Hannah, wife of the subject Thomas Carpenter, is unknown.
[End of Gene Zubrinsky's notes]
Old Notes follow:
!Number 10 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901.
Some records suggest that he married a Anna Thornycraft and Ann Willet in addition. However, no proof given.
BOOK: See page 13 (for family) of the Mowrey 1997 book. See book information below:
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
SEE: Father's notes:
III) Joseph (2), eldest child of Joseph (1) and Hannah (Carpenter) Carpenter, was born about 1660, at Pawtuxet, and inherited the paternal estate, operating a mill and the plantation. There is a tradition that he was drowned trying to save the mill in a freshet. At any rate he died between September 9, 1687, and 1692. His wife Ann was probably a daughter of Thomas Thornycraft. Record of two sons is found: Joseph, mentioned below; Thomas, born August 15, 1687.
Ann Simpkins
Notes below by Eugene Cole Zubrinsky
Ojai, California, 2009
The identity of Joseph’s wife is at best uncertain. The wife Ann(e) that D. H. Carpenter attributes to him was probably his stepmother, Ann (Weekes) Carpenter (see Carpenter [1901] 44; OBTR 1:644–47, 2:127–29, 650–51). Hinshaw gives Joseph’s namesake son’s mother as Anne, but while his main sources are original Quaker records, they are supplemented by others, some secondary (see Quaker Gen 1, 391). The younger Joseph’s Musketa Cove birth record does not name his mother, and the otherwise informative Quaker record of his death names neither parent (see OBTR 2:350; Carpenter [1901] 64n and Hazard Index, both citing WMM-VR A:159). It is therefore probable that Hinshaw’s identification of the younger man’s mother as Anne derives ultimately from the D. H. Carpenter volume. Note, however, that the younger Joseph’s first daughter was named Ann (Quaker Genealogy 391; Carpenter [1901] 66, 93). D. H. Carpenter’s further supposition concerning the elder Joseph’s wife "we now think she was daughter of Thomas Thornycraft and sister to William Thornycraft”--is unsupported, as is the assertion of another author (whose Carpenter section builds upon Carpenter [1901]) that she was probably Mary Thornycraft (see Carpenter [1901] 44; Cock-Cocks-Cox 357).
[Gene Zubrinsky's notes end here.]
NAME: See husband's notes from Gene Zubrinsky for full extract.
AFN MTLD-CR and AFN PMMX-4J are the same person.
61.
William Carpenter
Notes below by Eugene Cole Zubrinsky
Ojai, California, 2009
D. H. Carpenter calls it "a _possibility_ amounting to a _probability_" (his emphases) that Elizabeth was the daughter of William's uncle Ephraim Carpenter and says that she died about 1743 (Carpenter [1901] 50); he fails to support either assertion, however. G. W. Cocks says that Elizabeth's parentage is "not certainly known, but may have been Moses and Elizabeth (Weeden) Mudge, then of Musketa Cove, who had a dau. Elizabeth, b. 28/12 mo. (Feb.) 1674" (Cock-Cocks-Cox 358, 385). Note that this is expressed as no more than a possibility. There is, moreover, no known basis for the assertion that Moses and Elizabeth Mudge had a daughter Elizabeth, let alone that she was born on the date stated (which is not to say that either is necessarily false). An Elizabeth Mudge was born at Northampton, Mass., 10 Oct. 1673 and another at Charlestown, Mass., 12 March 1674, but their respective parents and husbands are not those of the same-named woman mentioned by Cocks (see Mudge Gen 46, 49; TAG 81:25; Charlestown Gens 2:693). In the most recent and authoritative account of Moses Mudge and his family, Gale Ion Harris, FASG (citing an unpublished typescript by Harry Macy Jr., FASG) presents Mudge's issue as consisting of two sons and no daughters (see TAG 81:18-30, at 24 [24n38 corrects Mudge Gen 48]). Elizabeth (Mrs. William) Carpenter's maiden name is unknown. And in any case, since the one known record in which her forename appears as William's wife is dated in 1720 (see above), it is not certain that she was the mother of his children.
[Gene Zubrinsky's notes end here.]
NOTE: See father's notes for Gene Zubrinsky's data on this individual.
Gene Zubrinsky writes: "William4 Carpenter (Hannah3): There is no evidence of William's being alive after 1734."
Number 13 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901. Page 66. Only Elizabeth is mentioned as spouse.
BOOK: See page 14 (for family) of the Mowrey 1997 book. See book information below:
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
AFN 8MH8-HS and MTLC-5L (SP 4 Dec 1942) are the same person.
AFN V6TG-V9 (b. abt 1666) has a spouse named Hannah Haviland with one child
named Silas who had Timothy who married Elizabeth Anderson and they had
Jerimiah (b. 28 Aug 1760) who married Jane Shears. Other than the AF, no
marriage or pedigree like this can be found. Until confirmed we list Hannah as
a spouse for this William with mother as listed for Silas Carpenter.
Silas b. abt 1681 found as a son to Silas b. 1650, grandson to William
Carpenter. Different mother however. Moved to that family.
Another child: a Timothy Carpenter is alleged to be a son of William,
(Due to an error in a will extract book, Admiral Carpenter thought
the father of his Timothy was William. Silas is the correct name for that
record. It was Silas who owned land near Armonk and HIS son named
Timothy did not ever marry Phoebe Coles. This caused much confusion.)
who owned land near Armonk in 1718. The Timothy Carpenter married Phoebe
Coles was not the son of his William (NOW KNOWN CORRECTLY AS SILAS) per
Charles L. Carpenter, Rear Admiral USN Ret. (in a letter dated Dec. 12, 1974).
There was two (2) Timothy Carpeters in this time period who are often confused.
1) Timothy the son of William C. & Elizabeth Smith Mudge who married Phoebe
(Coles) of this William. AND
2) Timothy the son of Silas C. & Jean or Jane Thornycraft who married Elizabeth
Anderson. The now Deceased Admirial Carpenter had once thought the two might
be the same BUT thanks to corrections, wills and more research realized there
was 2 (TWO) Timothy Carpenters. The Admiral is descended from the Timothy who
was the son of Silas (At one time erroneous known as William) Carpenter.
William acted as one of the Proprietors after the death of his brother Joseph
until 1706, when his nephew Joseph reached legal age. The Town Records shows
very clearly that he was a large land-owner and prominent in the affairs of the
plantation. He was a blacksmith by trade, and had his homestead and shop in
that part of town known as "Duck Pond." He sold this property in 1720, and
probably moved to Westchester county, though he still had landed interests at
Musketa Cove as late as 1734.
Elizabeth Mudge (See notes)
NAME: See spouse's and father-in-law's notes by Gene Zubrinsky.
Elizabeth Smith Mudge verses Elizabeth Smith.
SOURCE: Records of Charles Lorain Carpenter, Rear Admiral USN Ret. and
Records of Louise Carpenter Licklider.
BOOK: See page 10 (#4) of the Mowrey 1997 book for notes. See book
information below:
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
356.
John Carpenter
In AF as belonging to this family but not in the Carpenter Family in America,
1901 book.
359.
Elizabeth Carpenter
Number 26 in the Carpenter Family in America, 1901 book.
AFN SCS1-PS and MTLF-01 are the same person.
363.
Ruth Carpenter
Number 28 in the Carpenter Family in America, 1901 book.
MARRIAGE: Vide the Record of St. George's Church, Hempstead, NY.
364.
Mary Carpenter
Number 29 in the Carpenter Family in America, 1901 book.
MARRIAGE: Vide the Record of St. George's Church, Hempstead, NY.
Her husband was a resident of Musketa Cove at the time of his marriage and "his
estate" of six acres is mentioned in the tax list on 1786.
Hannah Haviland
This Hannah is sometimes referred to as being born in 1743 and has a father
named Solomon Haviland. 1743 is the year William's spouse Elizabeth died.
William was born in 1666 and married a person born in 1743 - 79 years
difference in age! This strains credibility to be polite. This data is kept
here as a "correction" to the record.
Gene Zubrinsky writes:
Hannah Haviland, listed as William4's second wife: Your notes, intended as a "correction to the record," imply that there is nevertheless a basis for attributing to William a wife named Hannah Haviland (though not the one mentioned in the notes); I know of no evidence even hinting at it. This almost certainly represents confusion with a wife of that name whom Carpenter [1901] attributes to Benedict Carpenter, son of William4 and Elizabeth (also as per Carpenter [1901]).
62.
Nathaniel Carpenter Capt.
Notes below by Eugene Cole Zubrinsky Ojai, California, 2008
Children of Joseph2 and Hannah (Carpenter) Carpenter, i-iv born probably at Pawtuxet (Warwick) (birth order uncertain):
v. NATHANIEL CARPENTER, b. Pawtuxet (Warwick) or Musketa Cove between say 1668 and 10 Feb. 1672[/3?] (grantee 10 Feb. 1693[/4?]), d. North Castle 25 2nd mo. [April (not Feb.)] 1730; m. Musketa Cove 5 Nov. 1690, TAMAR COLES, b. 18 May 1673, dau. of Robert and Mercy (Wright?) Coles (OBTR 1:652-53, 655, 2:101-3; FMM-VR 220; MacDonough-Hackstaff 455).
Nathaniel is said to have been probably the first white child born at Musketa Cove (see Carpenter [1901] 43, 50). This, however, is based on the unsupported assertion that he was born in the summer of 1668 and the questionable assumption that both parents had settled on Long Island by that time (see Carpenter [1901] 50; OBTR 2:682; RESIDENCES, above). The record of his death calls him Nathaniel "Juner," but the only other man of that name known to have been residing at North Castle at the time was his son, who died in late 1758 (see FMM-VR 220; Quaker Gen 63; NYWills 5:274; Carpenter [1901] 85). An item in the 1 Jan. 1759 issue of the _New-York Mercury_ is often said online to refer to the elder Nathaniel but in fact concerns the estate settlement of his recently deceased son. Naming "Captain Nathaniel Carpenter, deceas'd, of North-Castle, in Westchester County, and Province of New-York," the notice was placed by Caleb Fowler and Caleb Green, "Executors, in said County" (Hist Newspapers). The latter two men were brothers-in-law of the younger Nathaniel, whose will names them as executors (NYWills 5:274; Carpenter [1901] 85-86).
[End of Gene Zubrinsky's notes]
Old Notes:
Number 14 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901.
A blacksmith and large landowner, he was prominent in the affairs of the plantation at Musketa Cove. He later moved to Westchester County, NY where he was a Captain in the Militia.
BIRTH: 12 May 1667 in Rehoboth belongs to another Nathaniel Carpenter.
DEATH: "Capt. Nathaniel Carpenter of Northcastle, NY, West Co., NY, deceased.
A Carpenter. Sons-in-law Caleb Fowler, Caleb Green." per the New York "Mercury" for January 1, 1759.
SEE: also Minutes of Friends' Meeting, North Castle who referred to Nathaniel Carpenter as "Juner". Same death date.
CHILD: Not Proven. Solomon Carpenter, possibly a son, as noted genealogist Boutwell Dunlap thought that a brother to the Joseph of this Nathaniel Carpenter settled near Joseph when he came to VA.
Soloman was probably related but not a child in this family.
FOUNDER: Nathaniel Carpenter is considered the founder of the Virginia (VA) Carpenters through his sons John and Joseph who moved into Virginia. Nathaniel was the son of Joseph Carpenter, the grandson of William Carpenter of Amesbury, the founder of the Providence, RI Branch of the Carpenters.
Nathaniel was the son of Hannah Carpenter, the grandson of Captain William Carpenter, the founder of the Rehoboth, MA Branch of the Carpenters.
BOOK: See page 13 (for family) of the Mowrey 1997 book. See book information below:
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
Tamar Coles
NAME: Wright was her mother's maiden name, but it is not in the AF record.
DEATH: 25 Feb 1730 is actually her husband's, with the original record's "second month" misinterpreted as February. Her death date is unknown.
366.
Hannah Carpenter
Number 31 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
375.
Samuel Carpenter
Died young.
376.
11 Carpenter
First name "Girl" in AF. #11 in family.
377.
12 Carpenter
First name "Girl" in AF. #12 in family.
63.
Oliver Carpenter
NOTE: See father's notes for Gene Zubrinsky's data on this individual.
Confirmed son.
Gene Zubrinsky writes:
Oliver married two Sarahs. The first Sarah, whose maiden name is unknown, is recorded in 1701 as the mother of Oliver's son William, one of only three of Oliver's approximately 11 [not 17 or 19] children recorded at birth. It is uncertain whether she was his first wife and mother of the several children born prior to William. A separate marriage record should be created for Sarah Okilley, whom Oliver married at Yarmouth, Mass., on 6 November 1721. She was the mother of Joshua, b. __ January 1724, and Oliver, b. 24 July 1727; both births are recorded at North Kingstown.
Old Notes:
NOTE: I list 3 marriages for Oliver. Marriage 1 & 2 confirmed by Gene Zubrinsky. Marriage 3 is the odd children that are probably not his.
Number 54 in the Carpenter memorial. Page 58. Family on page 75+.
CHILDREN: 19 children listed in the above. AF has 22 children listed,
including 3 children not in the CM. (Phebe b. 1714, Joshua b. 1716 and
Timothy b. 1723) These children belong to Oliver's son, Oliver b. 1795. This
Oliver's children born from 1701 to 1725 with only one spouse in records. See
below. Oliver Sr., may have been married twice, but there is no record of this.
IF: IF this was so (2 wives) a possible gap occurs in 1710 in children and
a breakdown of twins being born. IF children naming sequence was
followed in this family the first wife would have been named Meribah or Mercy
for a nickname. However, according to science, a healthy human female is
quite capable of having 15 births in her reproductive years. That some of
them were twins is remarkable, but not unknown. Was there another marriage to
another Sarah?
SEE BELOW: Discussion of children. John F. Chandler cites what is known and
not known based upon records found. Net summary is less children proved!
SEE: E-MAIL: Gene Zubrinsky provides information that a child was dropped from this line.
See below.
SEE: The Carpenter Family and Related Family Historical Journal, Winter 1994,
Vol.5 Number 7 on page 414, lists only 13 known and one other child, Nathaniel.
as a possible child. Other children names not known.
MISC: He owned real estate in several townships as appears in his will.
He deeded to his brother Joseph for love, March 18, 1705, six acres of land
at Pawtuxet which was his father's, Abiah Carpenter, deceased.
On 27 Jul 1724, he deeded land to his son, Christopher of East Greenwich.
On 23 Nov 1724 he deeded land to his son, John of Warwick, 130 acres in East
Greenwich.
On 4 Oct. 1727 he was administrator to the estate of his son, Oliver,
of East Greenwich. His son Oliver probably died after his
father's will was made and before his father died.
WILL: Abstract of the will of Oliver Carpenter Sr., wife Sarah. Will
MADE 20 Nov. 1727 in Kingstown, East Greenwich, RI. Note the word "MADE."
The Austin record gives "prob." as the abreiviation for probated not proved.
His wife Sarah was executrix. His friend Jeremiah Gould, overseer.
For details of who got what see page 58.
MISC: Oliver mentions 9 children in his will in 1727, one of which was Oliver
who died after the will was made but before probate. Additional children who
got their estate prior to the will being made was Christopher (in 1724 - see
above) and John (in 1724). Two other children (Nathaniel and Jeremiah) are
confirmed alive after 1727 (They probably received thier estate - no record
though). <9 + 2 + 2 = 13> The rest of the children (8 total) probably died
prior to 1727 and their father's will being made.
SEE: Austin's Genealogical Dictionary of Rhode Island Families, Pages 35-36.
DISCUSSION OF CHILDREN:
Dear John F. Chandler,
First an overview of the Oliver families ...
1) From page 75 of the Carpenter Memorial, Family # 29.
Children of Oliver 54 of Abiah 21;
1) John b. abt 1725
2) Christopher b. abt 1718
3) Nathaniel b. abt 1707
4) Solomon no date given
5) Jeremiah b. 1716
6) Thomas b. abt 1709
7) Abiah not of age 1727-21=aft 1706
8) Joshua b. 14 Jan 1722
9) Oliver b. abt 1695
10) William b. 19 Jun 1701
11) Sarah no date given
12) Robert no date given
13) Meribah no date given
14) Hannah b. 28 Oct 1708
15) Edmund no date given
16) David no date given
17) Abigail no date given
18) Anne (twin to 17) 2 Oct 1705
19) Benjamin b. 5 Oct 1719
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2) JRC FAMILY NUMBER:2234
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Husband:Oliver CARPENTER-7828 Br/Ch: 1675
Wife:Sarah-7829 Br/Ch:Abt 1677
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CHILD BR/CH
----- -----
1. Solomon CARPENTER a Twin-7856 1695
2. Oliver CARPENTER Jr. a Twin-7846 Abt 1695
3. Christopher CARPENTER-7850 Abt 1696
4. William CARPENTER-7831 19 Jun 1701
5. John CARPENTER-7861 Abt 1690/1703
6. Abigail OR Abagail CARPENTER a Twin-7833 2 Oct 1705
7. Anne CARPENTER a Twin-7834 2 Oct 1705
8. Thomas CARPENTER-7839 Abt 1706/1709
9. Nathaniel CARPENTER-7835 1707
10. Abiah CARPENTER a Twin?-7853 Abt 28 Oct 1708
11. Hannah CARPENTER a Twin-7837 28 Oct 1708
12. Robert CARPENTER-7841 Abt 1711
13. Meribah OR Mercy CARPENTER-7842 Abt 1713
14. Jeremiah CARPENTER-7844 Abt Mar 1714
15. Sarah CARPENTER-7848 2 Oct 1717
16. Edmond OR Edmund CARPENTER-7855 Abt 1720
17. Joshua CARPENTER-7858 14 Jan 1722
18. David CARPENTER-7860 Abt 1724
*******************************************************
3) JRC FAMILY NUMBER:4520
--------------------------------------------------------
Husband:Oliver CARPENTER Jr. a Twin-7846 Br/Ch:Abt 1695
Wife:Sarah RUSSELL-12938 Br/Ch:Abt 1695
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CHILD BR/CH
----- -----
1. Phebe CARPENTER-7843 Abt 1714
2. Joshua CARPENTER a Twin-7847 24 Oct 1716
3. Oliver CARPENTER a Twin-12939 24 Oct 1716
4. Sarah CARPENTER-50045 2 Oct 1717
5. Benjamin CARPENTER-7852 5 Oct 1719
6. Thomas CARPENTER-49959 Abt 1720
7. Timothy CARPENTER-7859 10 Apr 1723
8. Joshua CARPENTER-12942 24 Jan 1724
9. Oliver CARPENTER-12943 24 Jul 1727
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4) Children and children order per JFC compared to JRC (2)
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Husband:Oliver CARPENTER Br/Ch:Abt 1675
Wife:Sarah Br/Ch:Abt 1677
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CHILD BR/CH JRC version
----- ----- child #
1. Solomon CARPENTER 1695 1 same
-- Probably did not exist 2 Oliver Carpenter, Jr. b. 1695
JRC has as father to JFC 12&16.
2. Christopher CARPENTER Abt 1696 3 same
3. William CARPENTER 9 Jun 1701 4 same
4. John CARPENTER Abt 1690/1703 5 same
-- Probably did not exist 6 Abigail or Abagail b. 2 Oct 1705
-- Probably did not exist 7 Anne
5. Thomas CARPENTER Abt 1706/1709 8 same
6. Nathaniel CARPENTER 1707 9 same
7. Hannah CARPENTER 28 Oct 1708 11 same
8. Abiah CARPENTER ---- 10 no factual basic of him being a
(Probably not a twin) a twin to Hannah. b. abt 1710?
9. Robert CARPENTER Abt 1711 12 same
10. Meribah OR Mercy Abt 1713 13 same
11. Jeremiah Abt Mar 1714 14 same
12. Oliver CARPENTER 24 Oct 1716 -- JRC has him as son to his #2.
SEE Family Number 4520
13. Sarah CARPENTER 2 Oct 1717 15 same
-- Probably did not exist ---- 16 Edmond or Edmund b. abt. 1720
14. Benjamin CARPENTER 5 Oct 1719 -- JRC has him as son to his #2.
SEE Family Number 4520
15. Joshua CARPENTER Jan 1724 17 b. 14 Jan 1722 It is strange that
father & son have sons named
the same so close in birth.
16. Oliver CARPENTER 24 Jul 1727 -- JRC has him as son to his #2.
SEE Family Number 4520
-- Probably did not exist 18 David b. abt. 1724
*******************************************************************************
DATA REVIEW
In reviewing the CM, your (JFC) data and mine (JRC),
I find the following differences ...
The age range that you (JFC) have is from 1695 to 1727 or 32 years.
If the wife was age 18 at marriage she would be age 50 at the birth
of her last child.
The age range that I (JRC) have is from 1695 to 1724 or 29 years.
If the wife was age 18 at marriage she would be age 47 at the birth
of her last child.
The age range that is in the CM is 1695 to 1725 or 30 years.
If the wife was age 18 at marriage she would be age 48 at the birth
of her last child.
Of the 19 children in the CM you have 16 verses my 18.
You (JFC) indicate 5 children that may not have existed in this family
compared to JRC version.
I (JRC) indicate 3 children that belong to a younger son named Oliver b. 1695.
You seem to dismiss the earlier Oliver of 1695, while I see 3
generations of Olivers.
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REDOING THE VIEW OF THE CHILDREN LISTED:
5) Summary of children from both families of the Olivers.
# from Family Number 2234
b from Family Number 4520
c from Family Number 29 in the Carpenter Memorial.
1. Solomon CARPENTER a Twin-7856 1695
c4) Solomon no date given
c9) Oliver b. abt 1695
2. Oliver CARPENTER Jr. a Twin-7846 Abt 1695
3. Christopher CARPENTER-7850 Abt 1696 (SEE 1718)
4. William CARPENTER-7831 19 Jun 1701
c10) William b. 19 Jun 1701
5. John CARPENTER-7861 Abt 1690/1703 (SEE 1725)
c17) Abigail no date given
6. Abigail OR Abagail, a Twin-7833 2 Oct 1705
7. Anne CARPENTER a Twin-7834 2 Oct 1705
c18) Anne (twin to 17) 2 Oct 1705
8. Thomas CARPENTER-7839 Abt 1706/1709
c6) Thomas b. abt 1709
9. Nathaniel CARPENTER-7835 1707
c3) Nathaniel b. abt 1707
c7) Abiah not of age 1727-21= aft 1706
10. Abiah CARPENTER a Twin?-7853 Abt 28 Oct 1708
c14) Hannah b. 28 Oct 1708
11. Hannah CARPENTER a Twin-7837 28 Oct 1708
12. Robert CARPENTER-7841 Abt 1711
c12) Robert no date given
13. Meribah OR Mercy CARPENTER-7842 Abt 1713
c13) Meribah no date given
******
14. Jeremiah CARPENTER-7844 Abt Mar 1714
c5) Jeremiah b. 1716
b1. Phebe CARPENTER-7843 Abt 1714 *
b2. Joshua CARPENTER a Twin-7847 24 Oct 1716 *
b3. Oliver CARPENTER a Twin-12939 24 Oct 1716 *
b4. Sarah CARPENTER-50045 2 Oct 1717
15. Sarah CARPENTER-7848 2 Oct 1717
c11) Sarah no date given
c2) Christopher b. abt 1718 SEE 1796
b5. Benjamin CARPENTER-7852 5 Oct 1719
c19) Benjamin b. 5 Oct 1719
b6. Thomas CARPENTER-49959 Abt 1720
16. Edmond OR Edmund CARPENTER-7855 Abt 1720
c15) Edmund no date given
17. Joshua CARPENTER-7858 14 Jan 1722
c8) Joshua b. 14 Jan 1722
b7. Timothy CARPENTER-7859 10 Apr 1723 *
b8. Joshua CARPENTER-12942 24 Jan 1724 *
18. David CARPENTER-7860 Abt 1724
c6) David no date given
c1) John b. abt 1725 SEE 1690/1703
b9. Oliver CARPENTER-12943 24 Jul 1727
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The age 18 guess ...
6) Assuming age 18 for the wife of the first Oliver with a birth range
from 1695 to 1713 or 18 years.
This allows 13 children for the first Oliver.
Assuming age 18 for the wife of the second Oliver with a birth range
from 1714 to 1727 or 13 years.
This allows 15 children for the second Oliver.
This allows the following children for the first Oliver:
1. Solomon CARPENTER b. 1695
2. Oliver CARPENTER b.Abt 1695
3. Christopher CARPENTER (TOSS UP) Abt 1696 (SEE 1718)
4. William CARPENTER 19 Jun 1701
5. John CARPENTER Abt 1690/1703
6. Abigail OR Abagail CARPENTER 2 Oct 1705
7. Anne CARPENTER 2 Oct 1705
8. Thomas CARPENTER Abt 1706/1709
9. Nathaniel CARPENTER-7835 1707
10. Abiah (not of age 1727-21=aft) 1706/1710
11. Hannah CARPENTER 28 Oct 1708
12. Robert CARPENTER Abt 1711
13. Meribah OR Mercy CARPENTER Abt 1713
****************************************************
This allows the following children for the second Oliver:
1) Jeremiah CARPENTER Abt Mar 1714
2) Phebe CARPENTER Abt 1714
3) Joshua CARPENTER 24 Oct 1716
4) Oliver CARPENTER 24 Oct 1716
5) Sarah CARPENTER-7848 2 Oct 1717
6) Christopher (TOSS UP) b. abt 1718 (SEE 1796)
7) Benjamin CARPENTER 5 Oct 1719
8) Thomas CARPENTER Abt 1720
9) Edmond OR Edmund CARPENTER Abt 1720
10) Joshua CARPENTER 14 Jan 1722
11) Timothy CARPENTER 10 Apr 1723
12) Joshua CARPENTER 24 Jan 1724
13) David CARPENTER Abt 1724
14) John b. abt 1725
15) Oliver CARPENTER-12943 24 Jul 1727
*********************************************************
SUMMARY
While (6) this is different from what you and I have
it is an interesting division of (5) the combined children
simply based on the age 18 guess of spouses.
You seem to rule out the earlier Oliver or second Oliver.
Yet the 3 generations of Olivers seem to make sense to me.
May I ask why? Comments? Did I summarize your data correctly?
Sincerely, John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA.
REPLY:
E-MAIL: Re: CD Family 29 - Oliver of Abiah Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999
From: "John F. Chandler" John,
Ok, once more into the breach. As I see it, I am not "discarding" a
family -- I simply see no reason to manufacture one as Amos evidently
tried to. It is clear that he failed, in view of the evidence, so it is
necessary to start fresh. Your valiant attempt to make 3 generations of
Olivers fails on the same evidence. The thing you can't get around is
the will of Oliver Carpenter, dated 1727 Nov 20 in North Kingstown. I
have gone over this with you before, so I'm surprised that you failed to
take it into account. The provisions of the will identify the writer of
it as the father of #7856 Solomon, #7839 Thomas, #7853 Abiah, #7848
Sarah, #7858 Joshua, and #12943 Oliver. The various deeds and such that
you already had in your files identify this same Oliver as the father of
#7850 Christopher, #7861 John, and #53001 Oliver (my new number). The
vital records show three sets of children of "Oliver and Sarah", one in
each of the three towns where they lived. It is certainly possible that
these were not all the same Oliver, but we can work backwards and see
what we get. Unquestionably, #7858 Joshua and #12943 Oliver were the
two registered in N Kingstown (both underage in 1727, and Oliver
explicitly called the youngest son). The E Greenwich vitals give us
#53001 Oliver, so we must also bring along #7848 Sarah and #7852
Benjamin, who are grouped with Oliver. That leaves only the Warwick
records, showing #7831 William as the son of an Oliver who might or
might not be the same. This is the evidence and is nonadjustable.
There are a few more inferences as well: the fact that this Oliver had
grown-up sons as of 1724 guarantees that he was born no later than about
1680, so there is no reason to suppose that he was *not* the father of
William, even if his wife Sarah in 1701 was different from the wife
Sarah he mentioned in his will of 1727. It also means he was very
likely the same Oliver who was described as the son of Abiah in a 1705
deed (also in your files). Finally, the fact that not all the sons
mentioned in the will were underage makes it quite clear that the
testator was indeed the same person as (or at least as old as) the
Oliver who made the deeds in 1724. That brings us to the following list
of children (known birth dates in parentheses):
Solomon
Christopher
William? (1701)
John
Thomas
Abiah
Oliver (1716)
Sarah (1717)
Benjamin (1719)
Joshua (1724)
Oliver (1727)
The remaining children that I assigned to this family are all tentative,
as far as this evidence is concerned, but I figure there is other
evidence that supports these links, and there is also the fact that
Oliver's 1727 will has a few illegible names in it. So, let's throw
in Nathaniel and Hannah. Robert and Meribah seem more doubtful, and
Jeremiah seems to be the subject of some debate as well, but I can
give them the benefit of the doubt if you want to.
To recap, you wrote:
>Do you think that CM Family # 103 comes from other than Oliver of Oliver
>of Abiah?
Yes. It comes from the fertile imagination of Amos Carpenter.
Tackling a few remaining points...
Phebe and Timothy are even more doubtful than the others. Timothy's
reputed birth date is only 8 months before Joshua's (then again, maybe
it's 20 months).
The Oliver Jr that you want to create (b c1695) could have existed, but,
if he did, then he died before 1716, so he doesn't fulfill the need that
motivated his creation in the first place.
In a sense, the Abigail and Ann that you include under Oliver did exist,
but they were the daughters of Joseph, not Oliver.
The two extra Joshuas don't belong. The first is an apparently
manufactured (and unrecorded) "twin" of the first Oliver. Since you
have no evidence about him at all, you will have to let him go (and,
needless to say, a citation by Amos Carpenter does not by itself
constitute evidence). The second is the one that triggered your remark
about how odd it was that two Olivers should have a son Joshua each
about the same time. Interestingly enough, neither one has the correct
birth date (that is, neither one agrees with the birth found in the N.K.
vital records: 1724 Jan, no day specified). Since the two Olivers were
evidently only one, these two Joshuas are similarly only one.
The David you show is another example with absolutely no evidence.
John F. Chandler.
E-MAIL: 11-15-99 to John F. Chandler.
Dear John,
I had to try out the 3 generation speculation approach one more time. But you
are correct, the conservative and factual basics show only the following
children that you mentioned in your last message.
> Solomon
> Christopher
> William? (1701)
> John
> Thomas
> Abiah
> Oliver (1716)
> Sarah (1717)
> Benjamin (1719)
> Joshua (1724)
> Oliver (1727)
I took our discussions and placed them in the notes of Oliver Carpenter (b.
1675/1680 MY RIN 7828). Along with the phrase under CHILDREN ...
"SEE BELOW: Discussion of children. John F. Chandler cites what is known and
not known based upon records found. Net summary is less children proved!"
I appreciate your efforts in showing what is known and not known. At this time
we have just the basic family of Oliver with what is known. Until further data
comes along, we should stick to the basics of what is known.
Sincerely, John R. Carpenter.
REHASH: Different format!
From: John F. Chandler
Date: 07 December, 1999 6:32 PM
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>Things in [] are either notes about an event or the original notation of
>the date, if I have re-interpreted it (such as converting to a January-
>style calendar). References are denoted with '*'. Continuation is
>marked by a '-' on the left margin.
>
>All dates are expressed in January style where possible, but the
>original notation is always included in a subsidiary comment.
>Abbreviations in lists of related persons: f=father, m=mother, w=wife,
>h=husband, s=son, d=daughter, bro=brother, sis=sister, cous=cousin,
>neph=nephew, niec=niece, serv=servant, unc=uncle, bil=brother-in-law
>(and so on), ch=child, gs=grandson, oth=other, s1=eldest son, etc.,
>st.s=step-son, gods=godson, witn=witness, sup=supervisor, exec=executor.
>
>++Children of Oliver & Sarah Carpenter (maybe not all the same Sarah)
>William /Carpenter/ (M); >refn:CM209
> b. 1701 Jun 9 [19th per Austin] in Warwick, RI *TrRIR p 1:154 *TvWar p
1:44
>- *GhDRI
>John /Carpenter/ (M); >refn:CM200; d. >1726 in E Greenwich, RI ?
> On the other hand, John the son of Oliver was of Warwick in 1724.
> tst. 1748 Jul 14 in E Greenwich, RI *GhRIR p 1:135
> pro. 1753 Sep 10 in E Greenwich, RI *GhRIR p 1:135 *TvPRO p 2:67
> Will: mentions daughters Martha, Mary and Diademe, daughter Dinah Green,
>- wife Abigail, and sons Cornell and Joseph. *GhRIR p 1:135
> Is this the same John?
>Christopher /Carpenter/ (M);:farmer; >refn:CM201
> Christopher the son of Oliver was of E Greenwich as of 1724.
> d. >1730 in E Greenwich, RI ?
> tst. 1762 Apr 7 in W Greenwich, RI *GhRIR p 2:127
> pro. 1763 Feb 1 in W Greenwich, RI *GhRIR p 2:127 *TvPRO p 2:28
> Will: mentions sons Jeremiah and Robert, daughter Sarah wife of
>- Elizer Greene, grandsons Jonathan, William <16, and Joshua <21,
>- grandson Ezekiel Greene <21, granddaughters Mereby, Mary, Elizabeth,
>- Esbil, Sarah, Rosanna <18, and Jemima <18, and
>- granddaughter Mercy Greene. *GhRIR p 2:127
>Solomon /Carpenter/ (M); >refn:CM203; b. <1706
>Thomas /Carpenter/ (M); >refn:CM205; b. <1706
>Hannah /Carpenter/ (F); >refn:CM213; b. 1708 Oct 28 *GhDRI
>Abiah /Carpenter/ (M);:ship captain; >refn:CM206
> >>Res<< 1729 in Providence, RI
> tst. 1729 Sep 7 *GhRIR p 13:102
> d. 1729 Sep 13 *GhRIR p 13:102
> pro. 1729 Sep 17 in Providence, RI *GhRIR p 13:102 *TvPRO p 3:132
> d. in:Basseterre, St Christophers, BWI **
> Will: mentions executors wife Sarah and brother-in-law John Potter,
>- eldest daughter Sarah and other daughters, brother Thomas, sister Sarah,
>- youngest sister Hannah, and friend Edmond Casey to take care of sloop.
*GhRIR
>- p 13:102
>Oliver /Carpenter/ (M); >refn:CM208
> b. 1716 Oct 24 in E Greenwich, RI *TrRIR p 1:107 *TvEGr p 1:35
> d. 1727
> >>Administration<< 1727 Oct 4 [by father Oliver] in E Greenwich, RI *GhDRI
> Since this Oliver was only 11 years old when he died, his estate must
>- have consisted of some inheritance.
>Sarah /Carpenter/ (F); >refn:CM210
> b. 1717 Oct 2 in E Greenwich, RI *TrRIR p 1:107 *TvEGr p 1:35
> On 1739-40 Feb 23, John Reynolds and his wife Sarah sold to Oliver
>- Carpenter of Providence for L8 all their rights in the estate of
>- Oliver Carpenter of East Greenwich, deceased. **
>Benjamin /Carpenter/ (M); >refn:CM217 1/2
> b. 1719 Oct 5 in E Greenwich, RI *TrRIR p 1:107 *TvEGr p 1:35
> He married Eleanor Olin, daughter of John, of N Kingstown,
>- 1741 Aug 13 in E Greenwich, RI. *TrRIR p 1:18 *TvEGr p 3:148
> In 1741, Benjamin sold to his brother Oliver of Providence, mariner, for
L8,
>- all his rights to the estate of their father. **
> The date of this deed is inconsistent with the otherwise tidy picture
>- of the various Oliver Carpenters, since his brother Oliver, by all
>- accounts, was born in 1727. Perhaps the deed was later, or perhaps
>- there was another set of Olivers in Providence.
> d. >1759 in E Greenwich, RI ?
>Joshua /Carpenter/ (M); >refn:CM207
> b. 1724 Jan in N Kingstown, RI *TrRIR p 5:62 *TvNKi
>Oliver /Carpenter/ (M); b. 1727 Jul 24 in N Kingstown, RI *TrRIR p 5:62
*TvNKi
> He, then of Providence, married Martha Greene, daughter of Barlo,
>- of Warwick, 1743 Apr 7 in Warwick, RI. *TrRIR p 1:30 *TvWar p 2:19
> They had children registered in Warwick: Lydia on 1744 Sep 3 and
>- Barlo on 1747 Sep 12. *TrRIR p 1:154 *TvWar p 2:19
> d. >1747
> This could be a different Oliver, especially since Martha Greene was
>- born in 1722.
>
> References (denoted above by '*'+mnemonic codes, as follows)
>* = needs looking up
>GhDRI = John O. Austin
> _Genealogical Dictionary of Rhode Island, Comprising three generations
>- of settlers who came before 1690_
> pub. 1887 in Albany, NY by J. Munsell's Sons
> This work uses January-style dates consistently.
> A second edition has corrections by the author and by G.A. Moriarty.
>GhRIR = Beaman
> _Rhode Island Genealogical Register (vol:page)_
> pub. 1978 <-> present in Princeton, MA by Beaman
>TrRIR James N. Arnold
> _Vital Records of Rhode Island, 1636-1850_
> pub. 1891 in Providence, RI by Narragansett Historical Publishing
>TvEGr = East Greenwich, RI;;Vital records at town hall
>TvNKi = N Kingstown, RI;;Vital records at town hall
>TvPRO = probate records for place noted
>TvWar = Warwick, RI;;Vital records at town hall
E-MAIL:
From: GeneZub@aol.com
To: jrcrin001@cox.net
Cc: Fordjerryfay@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:50 PM
Subject: Corrections to "Claimed Ancestral Lineages"
John,
The lineage posted for FTDNA Kit Numbers 6335 and 5543 (through Abiah Carpenter) is mistaken on at least two counts. First, Oliver Carpenter was born well before 1675, probably by 1667. The following passage is from the article I'm preparing:
On 3 September 1675 the Providence constable was ordered to bring more than a dozen people, including "Abiah Carpenter, & olivour Carpenter," before a colony magistrate to answer the complaint of Samuel Reape, apparently arising from a year-old dispute.[92] Presumably Oliver had by then (1674) reached the age--seven, under English common law--at which moral discernment was thought possible.[93] When in July 1687 and again the following December he killed a wolf,[94] Oliver was presumably at least in his late teens.
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92. The Early Records of the Town of Providence, 21 vols. (Providence, 1892-1915), 15:141-43, 144, 146, 147.
93. See William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England, 4 vols. (Oxford, 1765-1769), 4:23, online at www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/blackstone/bk4ch2.htm.
94. Cherry Fletcher Bamberg and Jane Fletcher Fiske, eds., More Early Records of the Town of Warwick, Rhode Island, transcr. Marshall Morgan (Boston, 2001), 260.
Second, the only Jeremiah Carpenter of whom there is a record was not the son of Oliver but of Oliver's son Christopher. (Based only in part on his father Oliver's revised birth year, Christopher would have been born in the 1690s [not ca. 1718, as ABC has it on p. 75]; he married, after all, before 1715 [see ABC p. 129]). ABC has taken a single Jeremiah Carpenter and attributed him both to Oliver and to Christopher. The deForests preface their account of this Carpenter line with the following: "The Rehoboth Branch of the Carpenter Family (1898) contains so many obvious inaccuracies and contradictions, especially in the sections concerning the children of Abiah3 Carpenter, Oliver4 Carpenter, and Christopher5 Carpenter, that the present writers have thought it best to construct the family line from other sources" (L. Effingham deForest and Anne Lawrence deForest, James Cox Brady and His Ancestry [New York, 1933], 135). Accordingly, they assign Jeremiah (m. Elizabeth Reynolds; ch. Mercy, Christopher, Merebah, Jonathan, Mary, Mary [again], Elizabeth, and Joshua) to Christopher and omit anyone of that name from their account of Oliver's children. The only birth record of a Jeremiah Carpenter in Rhode Island is that at East Greenwich (not North Kingstown), in which Jeremiah Carpenter, son of Christopher and Mary (------) Carpenter, was born on 18 June 1715 (Arnold, Vital Record of Rhode Island,1:2:107). Although Oliver Carpenter's will was damaged by fire, and not all his legatee's names are discernible, the name Jeremiah does not appear (North Kingstown Town Council and Probate Records, 6:249-51). (Incidentally, ABC's abstract of Oliver's will [which he almost certainly copied from Austin, Genealogical Dictionary of Rhode Island] incorrectly indicates that the second legatee named is a son Solomon. This is false: the second legatee named is Christopher; the name Solomon does not appear in Oliver's will.)
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Gene
Sarah
Notes deleted.
380.
William Carpenter
William, is not named in Oliver's will. He is a purported son of Solomon, who also does NOT appear in Oliver's will. Nor are they supported by other evidence in Oliver's family.
Old Notes. Ignore or delete.
Listed as Number 209 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 76.
His widow, then married to Edward Potter, was executrix of his estate.
She rendered an account of of her administration unto the town council on the
18th day of Sept. 1731.
385.
Sarah Carpenter in WILL
Number 210 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 76.
Number 716 on page 132 is in error. She died 17 Jan 1762 of North Kingston, RI
In 23 Feb 1739-40, a paper given by John Reynolds and Sarah, his wife for the
concideration of 8 pounds releases to Oliver Carpenter of Providence all their
rights and claims in the estate of Oliver Carpenter (b. 1675) # 54 of East
Greenwich, deceased.
387.
Joshua Carpenter in WILL
Number 207 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 76.
No family listed. In his Father's will in 1727.
389.
Abigail or Abagail Carpenter A Twin
Number 216 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 76.
!Abagail in the AF, Abigail in the CM.
390.
Anne Carpenter A Twin
Number 217 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 76.
392.
Robert Carpenter
Number 211 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 76.
Ezra Carpenter of Kirkland, NY (1898) states that Oliver had a son named
Robert.
394.
Edmond or Edmund Carpenter
Number 214 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 76.
Edmond in AF and Edmund in the CM.
Batch #: 6020845, Sheet #: 87, Source Call #: 1621578
395.
David Carpenter
Number 215 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 76.
Batch #: 6020845, Sheet #: 87, Source Call #: 1621578
65.
Joseph Carpenter
NOTE: See father's notes for Gene Zubrinsky's data on this individual.
Confirmed son.
Number 60 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 59.
Family on page 77 (#32).
"We are unable to find any record of a son Samuel on record of births and
deaths or by deeds, but it is evident that there was a Samuel, a near relative
of this family, which could not refer to the then known Samuels of Rehoboth or
RI. It would be very natural that Abiah would name a son after his brother
Samuel with whom he had been so intimately connected in early life in
business matters. We think it is warranted to assume that he had a son named
Samuel, who was the father of at least 5 children, who could not at that time
have belonged to any known Carpenter family of Providence or Rehoboth. He was
probably first or second son, born about 1670 (most likely abt 1663), a
resident of Providence and admitted a freeman there." page 59.
A correction on page 833 indicates Samuel married Bethiah Bliss on 15 April
1695. But other records indicate she was married to Daniel Carpenter this same
date. See below. Is it possible that there was two Bethiah's?
DANIEL (SAMUEL IS WRONG) (1669-1721) & 1/WF BETHIAH BLISS ( -1702; 15 APR
1695;REHOBOTH/COVENTRY, CT. PER NEW ENGLAND MARRIAGES PRIOR TO 1700.
Number 55 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 59.
Family on page 77 (#30).
In 1708 he exchanged land in Warwick with one John Warner for certain land in
Kingston. In 1732 he and his wife Hannah, for love, deeded 100 acres of land
to his son Joseph Jr. in East Greenwich. He also deeded 100 acres to his son
Thomas in the same year. See his wife, Hannah's notes.
396.
Joseph Carpenter Jr.
Number 218 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 77. No family listed.
In 1732 his father and his current wife Hannah, for love, deeded 100 acres of
land to his son Joseph Jr. in East Greenwich.
"Incidentally, Arnold reports the maiden name of his bride as BARBER in the
S.K. VR." John Chandler via E-Mail on 10 Sept. 1999.
"John F. Chandler"
Mercy Barker
NAME: Barber or Barker.
397.
Abigail or Abia Carpenter A Twin
Number 219 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 77.
Name recorded as Abia in record.
BIRTH: NewPort county was the orginal county in RI in 1703. Washington county
wasn't organized until 1729. NewPort was formerly Naragannset.
She and her twin's birth was recorded in Warwick Vital records.
The Carpenter Memorial indicates probably North Kingston, Newport, RI.
398.
Anna Carpenter A Twin
Number 220 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 77.
BIRTH: NewPort county was the orginal county in RI in 1703. Washington county
wasn't organized until 1729. NewPort was formerly Naragannset.
She and her twin's birth was recorded in Warwick Vital records.
The Carpenter Memorial indicates probably North Kingston, Newport, RI.
399.
Thomas B. Carpenter
Number 221 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 77. Born about 1710 in the CM.
No family listed in the CM.
MARRIAGE: Probably married Mary Clements (AFN NLBS-VQ, born 1718) of
Westbury, Nassau, New York in 1736? See Brown PAF Records.
BIRTH: NewPort county was the orginal county in RI in 1703. Washington county
wasn't organized until 1729. NewPort was formerly Naragannset.
E-MAIL: (Partial) 6 Aug 2000 From: Jack A Schoedinger
Benjamin is the son of Thomas B. Carpenter (Joseph, Abiah, William)
b. August 3, 1738 and Dorcas Grinnel b. October 25, 1759, who
married Thankful Thompson b. November 25, 1765 daughter of Elias Thompson
and Mary Stanton. This Benjamin, his wife and parents are all buried in
the Perryville Church Cemetery in South Kingston, RI. , and as previously
noted, Benjamin and his wife Thankful were moved from their
homestead to Perryville after 1880. ...
The confusion may be with John L. Carpenter' s "Thankful". According to
the Rhode Island data base there are four Thankfuls buried in Perryville
Church Cemetery or Oakdell Cemetery, both of which are in South Kingston,
Rhode Island. They are: Thankful A 1858c - Nov 17 1860 Thankful
M 1808c - Jul 28 1859, Benjamin's wife Thankful T (Thompson) 1769c -
Dec 27 1826 and Thankful T 1831c - Sep 27 1838 with the last name
spelled Carpinter.
Hope this helps in resolving this conflict. I do have one question for
you. Do you have any information on a Benjamin Carpenter b. 1761c and
died February 25, 184. This Benjamin was also buried in in the
Carpenter-Wightman Lot, Washington County, Rhode Island?
Ken.
Hannah
An abstract of the will of Hannah Carpenter, relict of Joseph Carpenter, son
of Abiah, dated 1760, "Gives to her children, namely, son Thomas Parker,
daughter Freelove Parker, Hannah Wilbur, and Abigail Carpenter."
Note married names.