Living with son in 1880.
CENSUS: 1860 US Census - See image: RIN 134229 W Carpenter 1860.jpg
The 1860 census shows them again in Madison Co. NY: Asel Luther, age 57, born in VT, a farmer Roxana Luther, 47, NY Orsemus D. Luther, 18, NY W. Carpenter, 65, NY Asel might properly be Asahel.CENSUS: 1870 US Census
1870 Madison Co. NY, Lebanon Ashel Luther, 67, NY Roxy A. Luther, 56, NY Ester A. Luther, 37, NY Orsamus Luther, 26, NY Nancy Carpenter, 74, NY, "at home" Rose Sweetland, 50, NY, "at home" Daniel Sweetland, 13, NY, "at school" Ashel should probably be Asahel.
15447. Alfred Madison Carpenter
SPECULATION: Same person as Alfred Carpenter RIN 91483 ??? But parents do no match up with notes (discussion) below.
SPECULATION: Parents are Daniel & Nancy Carpenter ???BIRTH: The IGI has 1 record of his birth as 24 Mar 1830 - the same day and month of wife.
PARENTS: Unknown at this time.CENSUS: 1850 US Census - See possible image: RIN 134228 Alfred Madison Carpenter 1850 1maybe.jpg
SAME PERSON??? - 2 that come some what close - no solid possibility until parents are determined. Both not living with parents.
Name: Alfred Carpenter
Residence: Fabius, Onondaga, New York
Age: 21 years
Calculated Birth Year: 1829
Birthplace: New York
Gender: Male
Race (original):
Race (expanded):
Death Month:
Death Year:
Film Number: 444283
Digital GS Number: 4202535
Image Number: 00304
Line Number: 16
Dwelling House Number: 408
Family Number: 428
Marital Status:
Free or Slave:
Collection: United States Census, 1850
and also see:CENSUS: 1850 US Census - - See possible image: RIN 134228 Alfred Madison Carpenter 1850 2maybe.jpg
Name: Alfred Carpenter
Residence: Fishkill, Dutchess , New York
Age: 21 years
Calculated Birth Year: 1829
Birthplace: Rhode Island, United States
Gender: Male
Race (original):
Race (expanded):
Death Month:
Death Year:
Film Number: 17072
Digital GS Number: 4196820
Image Number: 00078
Line Number: 9
Dwelling House Number: 350
Family Number: 519
Marital Status:
Free or Slave:
Collection: United States Census, 1850CENSUS: 1860 US Census - See possible image: RIN 134228 Alfred Madison Carpenter 1860
SAME PERSON??? - One other possibility is in NY but b. 1825. Best possbile follows.
Name: Alfred Carpenter
Residence: , Calhoun, Michigan
Ward: The Town Of Bedford
Age: 30 years
Estimated Birth Year: 1830
Birthplace: New York
Gender: Male
Page: 99
Family Number: 817
Film Number: 803539
DGS Number: 4232692
Image Number: 00321
NARA Number: M653
Collection: United States Census, 1860CENSUS: 1870 US Census - See image: RIN 134228 Alfred Madison Carpenter 1870 maybe.jpg
SAME PERSON??? - Best possible follows.
This Alfred is a RR Engineer with a wife named Anna and both from NY.
Name: Alfred Carpenter
Estimated Birth Year: 1831
Gender: Male
Age in 1870: 39y
Color (white, black, mulatto, chinese, Indian): White
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1870: New York, United States
Collection: United States Census, 1870CENSUS: 1880 US Census
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
Alfred CARPENTER Self M Male W 50 NY Farmer --- RI
Maria CARPENTER Wife M Female W 29 OH Keeping House NY VA
Frank CARPENTER Son S Male W 8 IA NY OH
Fred CARPENTER Son S Male W 6 IA NY OH
Belle CARPENTER Dau S Female W 4 IA NY OH
Ira CARPENTER Son S Male W 2 KS NY OH
Source Information:
Census Place Iona, Jewell, Kansas
Family History Library Film
NA Film Number T9-0384
Page Number 450C
and
Name: Alfred Carpenter
Residence: Iona, Jewell, Kansas
Birthdate: 1830
Birthplace: New York, United States
Relationship to Head: Self
Spouse's Name: Maria Carpenter
Spouse's Birthplace: Ohio, United States
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace: Rhode Island, United States
Race or Color (Expanded): White
Ethnicity (Standardized): American
Gender: Male
Martial Status: Married
Age (Expanded): 50 years
Occupation: Farmer
NARA Film Number: T9-0384
Page: 450
Page Character: C
Entry Number: 3356
Film number: 1254384
Collection: United States Census, 1880CENSUS: 1885 Kansas Census - See image: RIN 134228 Alfred Madison Carpenter 1885.jpg
Name: A M Carpenter
Census Date: 1 Mar 1885
Residence County: Jewell
Residence State: Kansas
Locality: Ionia
Birth Location: New York
Family Number: 143
Marital Status: Married
Gender: Male
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Race: White
Line: 13
Roll: KS1885_62
Household Member(s): Name Age
A M Carpenter 55
Maria Carpenter 34
Frank Carpenter 13
Fred Carpenter 11
Belle Carpenter 9
Ira Carpenter 7
Ida Carpenter 4
Source Information:
Ancestry.com.. Kansas State Census Collection, 1855-1925 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2009.
Original data:
1855 Kansas Territory Census. Microfilm reel K-1. Kansas State Historical Society.
1856, 1857, and 1858 Kansas Territory Censuses. Microfilm reel K-1. Kansas State Historical Society.
1859 Kansas Territory Census. Microfilm reel K-1. Kansas State Historical Society.
1865 Kansas State Census. Microfilm reels K-1 – K-8. Kansas State Historical Society.
1875 Kansas State Census. Microfilm reels K-1 – K-20. Kansas State Historical Society.
1885 Kansas State Census. Microfilm reels K-1 – K-146. Kansas State Historical Society.
1895 Kansas State Census. Microfilm reels K-1 – K-169. Kansas State Historical Society.
1905 Kansas State Census. Microfilm reels K-1 - K-181. Kansas State Historical Society.
1915 Kansas State Census. Microfilm reels K-1 – K-271. Kansas State Historical Society.
1925 Kansas State Census. Microfilm reels K-1 – K-177. Kansas State Historical Society.
Description: This database contains state censuses for Kansas from 1855-1925. Information available in this database includes: name, age, gender, race, relationship to head of household, birthplace, marital status, and place of enumeration. Additional information about an individual may be listed on the original record.CENSUS: 1890 US Census Burned
CENSUS: 1900 US Census - See image: RIN 134228 Alfred Madison Carpenter 1900.jpg
and: RIN 134228 Alfred Madison Carpenter 1900b.jpg
Name: Madison Carpenter
Titles:
Residence: Dor & Valley Townships, Smith, Kansas
Birth Date: Mar 1830
Birthplace: New York
Relationship to Head-of-Household: Self
Spouse Name: Mariah Carpenter
Spouse Titles:
Spouse Birth Place: Wisconsin
Father Name:
Father Titles:
Father Birthplace: New York
Mother Name:
Mother Titles:
Mother Birthplace: New York
Race or Color (expanded): White
Head-of-household Name:
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 27
Estimated Marriage Year: 1873
Mother How Many Children:
Number Living Children:
Immigration Year:
Enumeration District: 0168
Sheet Number and Letter: 4B
Household ID: 81
Reference Number: 98
GSU Film Number: 1240501
Image Number: 00348
Collection: United States Census, 1900CENSUS: 1910 US Census - See image: RIN 134228 Alfred Madison Carpenter 1910.jpg
Name: Alfred M Carpenter
Age in 1910: 80
Estimated birth year: 1830
Birthplace: New York
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: New York
Mother's Birth Place: Rhode Island
Spouse's name: Maria K Carpenter
Home in 1910: Valley, Smith, Kansas
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors:
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred M Carpenter 80
Maria K Carpenter 59
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Valley, Smith, Kansas; Roll: T624_458; Page: 6A; Enumeration District: 203; Image: 168.
NOTES:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/carpenter/messages/7574.html
Alfred Madison Carpenter / Roxie Carpenter ca 1830
Posted by: bonnie Kershaw (ID *****1214) Date: February 07, 2005I am looking for info on my great-grandfather, Alfred Madison Carpenter, born in NY Mar 24, 1830. Supposedly he was the youngest of 10 siblings. The oldest was a sister named Roxie. His mother was born in RI. I would love to have info on his parents and siblings. I am willing to share info on his descendents (I have quite a bit). Please respond or email me directly at bkershaw@direcway.com Thanks, Bonnie Kershaw
Now at: Bonnie Kershaw < bkershaw@sbcglobal.net >
More comments from Bonnie on topic line above ...
Then last summer, I got in touch with cousins previously unknown to me who confirmed Alfred Madison's birth date, but said he was the youngest of 10 children. His oldest siser's name was Roxey (or Roxie), and that had been married previously in New York, but that spouse's name was not known.
...
I reread my family data, and his first wife's first name was Nettie, but the last name is not known. He moved to Iowa in 1864, and that was after his first wife's death. Also, family data indicates he was born in Madison Co, NY. His oldest sister, Roxey Ann Carpenter, was married to a man whose last name was Luther, and they had a son named Oras Luther. I may try to find something on the death of Nettie Carpenter between 1845 and 1864, figuring he would be 15 at least before marrying. I also may try finding marriage data on ___Luther and Roxey Ann Carpenter somewhere in the 1820-1840 time range, figuring if she was the oldest of 10, she may have been 10-20 years older than Alfred. ...
TLC: Thanks for the additional detail -- it's very helpful. In Madison Co. NY in 1850 there is an Asa Luther with wife Roxy Ana. She was age 37, born c1813 in NY. They have three children, Esther A. Luther (born c1834), Mary Luther (c1839), and son Oremus Luther (c1841). This looks like A.M.'s sister. If so, the lead to Madison Co. NY appears accurate, which narrows down the search a lot. ...
TLC: The 1870 census also adds more clues: 1870 Madison Co. NY, Lebanon Ashel Luther, 67, NY Roxy A. Luther, 56, NY Ester A. Luther, 37, NY Orsamus Luther, 26, NY Nancy Carpenter, 74, NY, "at home" Rose Sweetland, 50, NY, "at home" Daniel Sweetland, 13, NY, "at school" Ashel should probably be Asahel. Nancy Carpenter, born ca. 1796, if the census record is accurate, would be old enough to be Roxy A.'s mother if she married young, age 17-18. Her and Rose Sweetland's annotation as "at home" implies they are living with relatives. ...
Terry, Thanks again for your efforts to help me. The info on Nancy puts her at roughly the same age (within a year or 2) of W. Carpenter mentioned in the 1860 census. I suppose it is possible that Nancy and W were married and were Roxey's parents. Perhaps W. died between 1860 and 1870. If they were married, though, wouldn't it be reasonable to expect to see both their names as living in the household with Roxy and family in 1860? I wonder if the 1860 census shows Nancy anywhere in the area, maybe with another of the 10 children that were supposedly in family. ... TLC: Every little detail provides a lead. The 1860 census shows them again in Madison Co. NY: Asel Luther, age 57, born in VT, a farmer Roxana Luther, 47, NY Orsemus D. Luther, 18, NY W. Carpenter, 65, NY Asel might properly be Asahel. W. Carpenter is about old enough, if the census is accurate, to be Roxana's father. If he married at age 18, that would have been ca. 1813 - the year she appears to have been born. Or he could be an older brother, a cousin, or some other relation living with them in his elderly years.
NAME: Mariah in 1900 US Census. Born Mar 1850. 6 children born, 5 living. 27 years married.
BIRTH: In the 1880 US Census birth location is OH. In the 1900 US Census, it is WI.
The 24 Mar 1851 birth date in the IGI has WI as birth state. The 1900 US Census has March 1850.
Both Maria and her husband have the same birth date as 24 March???
A Rachelle Cromer on Ancestry has birth locations as "Fall River,WI or Hardin Co.,OH"
Another contact for this line is: Bonnie Kershaw < bkershaw@sbcglobal.net >CENSUS: 1870 US Census - best guess - SAME PERSON??? - See Image: RIN 134230 Mary Schoonover 1870.jpg
If yes, then father is on previous page as: James age 46 and no wife given. See: image: RIN 134230 Mary Schoonover 1870a.jpg
Name: Mary Schoonover
Estimated Birth Year: 1850
Gender: Female
Age in 1870: 20y
Color (white, black, mulatto, chinese, Indian): White
Birthplace: Ohio
Home in 1870: Ohio, United States
Collection: United States Census, 1870
CENSUS: In the 1900 US Census - his birth is listed as April 1879.
CENSUS: In the 1900 US Census, her birthis listed as: Oct 1880.
CHILDREN: 9, but no names in the AF.
A descendant of Roger Williams. Resided in Putnam, ,CT
Of Anthony.
They had one child.
They had one child.
15454. George Washington Carpenter
Family group sheet submitted by Gladys Beaudrie Petersen of 57 Euclid Ave. Pontiac 17, MI. gave brithplace as Putnam, Windham, CT. 21 cousin il.
For 30 years he served as cashier in the First National bank of
Putnam, ,CT Trustee of the Putnam's Savings bank eight years
and one of the trustees since its orgainization. He has been
Judge of Probate for Putnam Probate district since 1863 and held
many other offices of public trust with fidelity and justice to
all.2 SOUR S203
3 TEXT pg 815CENSUS:
1880 United States Census
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
John A. CARPENTER Self M Male W 51 R. I. Bank Cashier R. I. R. I.
Marcia J. CARPENTER Wife M Female W 40 CONN CONN CONN
Jane E. CARPENTER Dau Female W 14 CONN R. I. CONN
Ann C. CARPENTER Dau S Female W 12 CONN R. I. CONN
John F. CARPENTER Son S Male W 10 CONN R. I. CONN
Joanna COLLINS Other Female W 42 IRE. IRE. IRE.
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Source Information:
Census Place Putnam, Windham, Connecticut
Family History Library Film 1254110
NA Film Number T9-0110
Page Number 598D
Died 2 months after her last child was born.
Resided in Putnam, ,CT
15461. Sophrona Phylinda Clark
This line submitted by Floyd Hurst of West Jordan, UT in June 1999.
It was submitted with assistance from Donna H. Hellewell of Aptos, CA.Baptism Date for first baptism was 1844, record was lost and so she was
re-baptized 10 Sep 1882.
After the first wife, Martha Ann Bouck died 12 Aug 1843 at Nauvoo,
Illinois the next four wives lived with husband in Polygamy. Second,
Elizabeth Foutz, third Sophronia Phylinda Clark, fourth Mary Green,
and fifth Margaret Foutz.
More data on this family line in Salt Lake City genealogical Center.
I sent for Charles' death certificate at the NY Vital Statistics. There is no death certificate for Charles on file there. I have a copy of his will leaving everything to his wife Harriet A. and son, Arthur D. to share and share alike. The will is witnessed by Russel W Palmer of Napoli, and F. E. Champlin of Napoli. Paper copies are in Carpenter notebook.
Josiah Southwick (1823-1915) married Sophia Smith b. 1 Oct 1798 d. 1880. I believe Sophia is Priscilla Smith's sister. Priscilla is Charles' mother.
The following was sent to me by Diana Southwick Crippin ggrand daughter of Josiah:
Here is a note from Josiah Southwick's journal written in the spring of 1876:
The friendly order of Good Templars, helped me a good deal in forming acquaintances. The lodge is quite an active one. Their entertainment is good. Toward the later part of the term, one Saturday afternoon I walked about 3 miles out into the country to visit my father's cousin, Charles Carpenter. I stayed there all night. The next day they took me to meeting at Napolii. It was love feast day. I was invited into the choir. Went up and sang with Lizzie Frasier. After meeting she introduced me to a Miss Carrie Daymon, a graduate from Female College and a splendid girl too, to chat with on the street, for we had quite a while to wait before the Old Folks were ready to go home.
Harriet is living with her Son, Arthur Devere in the 1900 fed census in
Arapahoe Denver Colorado, and in Seattle WA in the 1910 census living separately from her son, who is also living in Seattle, but with 3 of his children.
Edwin, Maria and Bertha are buried in The Mount Pleasant, Knight, or Scrabble Hill Cemetery, West Becker Road, Collins, NY (data taken from the stones in 1971). I have a hard copy and it is online from www.deathindexes.com