Descendants of William Carpenter of Providence (Pawtuxet section, now in Cranston), Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, now part of Providence County, RI

Notes


59. Jane or Jean Thornycraft

WILL: Her father's will was proved 19 Dec 1828 in Muscetta Cove, Long Island,
New York.  She was mentioned as a daughter.  Her baptised name is Jean but she
is recorded in her father's and husband's wills as Jane.


Silas Carpenter

Number 23 in the Carpenter Family in America, 1901 book.  No family listed.
!He owned land in 1718, near Armonk, Westchester County, NY.
He owned the land with his father, he bought land later at North Castle
and at Rye in Westchester county.  He owned the land per a map
survey with Bennonah Merit.  Silas was probably born at Oyster Bay.
On March 1 ,1720 sold land at Duck Pond, Bedford, LI, NY to Thomas Golding.
May 8, 1722, Silas bought 375 acres of land with his father at Northcastle, NY
and in Rye, NY.

WILL: Oyster Bay, Queens county, NY, will dated Feb. 25, 1727 proved March 21,
1727/1728, wife Abigail and her brother John Robbins.
On March 1, 1720 he sold his land at Duck Pond, Bedford, Long Island to Thomas
Golding.  He bought 375 acres with his father at Northcastle, NY on May 8, 1722
and at Rye.  SEE CORRECTION BELOW.

MARRIAGE: The "Cock, Cocks, Cox Genealogy" by George William Cocks (New York,
NY, 1914), states that Sillas married Jean Thornycraft daughter of William.
Jean was called Jane in her Father's will and in her Husband's will.

WILL 2: A corrected will of the New York Historical Society Collections
Volumnes found by Louise Carpenter Licklider states in abstract:
"In the name of God, Amen.  January 3, 1728/1729, I, Silas Carpenter of North
Castle, in Westchester County, Blacksmith. I leave to my wife, Jane, one-third
of all moveables.  All houses and lands to be sold.  I leave to my daughters,
Hannah and Phebe, 10 pounds each when of age.  The rest to be put at interest
until my three sons, William, Timothy, and Silias, are of age and then divided
among them.  I make William Craft and William Carpenter, Jr., both of Long
Island, and my wife, Jane, Executors.  Witnesses, Adam Ireland, Job Wright,
Nataniel Carpenter.  Proved Feburary 1, 1728/1729."  1 Feb is correct! Not 11
Feb. NOTE: Raymond George Carpenter concurs and James Ausie Carpenter states,
"I am so happy for Charlie tha t after all these years of failure to gain
through Louise A-1 proof of Lineage."  In May of 1984, Charles Lorain
Carpenter was aware of this and concluded the same thing.

CHILDREN: Silas's children are listed in an update to the 1901 book.  It is
also added to The Descendants of Timothy Carpenter as a May 3, 1984 update
addenda.


62. Joseph Carpenter 3rd

Number 19 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.  See notes starting on page 60.

MARRIAGE: Second marriage date is 29 Feb. 1709, yet the computer states there was no 29th day in that month and year.  Probabably old Gregorian calander date.
DEATH: 3 May 1776, "New Stile, at the house of Joseph Carpenter in Jericho."
He was 90 years, 6 months, 6 days old. Per Ancestor File, death is 3 June 1776.  Buried 5 May 1776 (Vide Minutes of Westbury Meeting, Book A, p. 159.)
BIRTH: 16 Aug. 1685 "Old Stile."  Based on 90 yr, 6 mo, 6 dy at death, his
birth would be 27 Oct 1685 current calendar.

SEE: Grandfather's Notes for the entire article: (many dates are old calendar)
IV) Joseph (3), eldest son of Joseph (2) and Ann Carpenter, was born
October 16, 1685, at Pawtuxet, the date being recorded at Oyster Bay, New
York, probably to authenticate his heirship to one-fifth of the Musketa
Cove patent. Five days after he came of age he deeded to his uncles,
William and Nathaniel, farms in that section. His adult life was passed at
Oyster Bay, and in 1707 he instituted suit to recover property in Rhode
Island formerly belonging to his greatgrandfather, William Carpenter. This
suit was successful. He resided on the homestead at Pawtuxet until about
1715, when he sold out and moved across the Cove to Lot No. 1, in the
division of 1681, which is now in the village of Sea Cliff. His house was
burned by lightning in 1747-8, after which he sold the land for o225 and
retired to the village of Jericho, where he died June 3, 1776, at the house
of his grandson, Joseph Carpenter. He was a sincere member of the Friends
Society, often occupying places of trust and responsibility in the town and
was noted for his charitable character. To his benevolence many worthy
persons were indebted for substantial aid at the proper time. He married
(first) in 1707, Ann, daughter of Captain Andrew and Ann (Coddington)
Willett. She died February 9, 1709, and he married (second) in 1711, her
sister Mary, born September 21, 1691. She was a granddaughter of Colonel
Thomas Willett, born 1610, at Borley, Hertfordshire, England, and came to
Plymouth, Massachusetts, in 1629. Later he was at New Amsterdam, and was
the first English mayor appointed over the city of New York, 1665. The
Dutch soon after reoccupied New Amsterdam, and he retired to Swansea,
Massachusetts, where he died August 4, 1674.
He was a man of much character and ability and still has numerous descendants
in the vicinity of New York.
He married (third) in 1736, Mary, daughter of John Brown, a pioneer of
Plymouth, Massachusetts.


182. Willett Carpenter

Number 51 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.


186. Andrew Carpenter

Number 55 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
A Mariner.  A witness to the marriage of his sister Phoebe 1742/43.
No further record found of him.


190. Willett Carpenter

Number 59 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
!BIRTH: born at "Reedy Vly," in Musketa Cove.  He took the name of a brother
who died two years previously.
He was probably a mariner.


63. Thomas Carpenter

AFN PMMZ-76 (16 AUG 1687) and MTLD-F4 (9 SEP 1689) appear to be the same
person.  Birth/Chr dates most likely.
Carpenter and related Family records indicate birth as 15 Aug. 1687.

Number 20 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.  It has birth as 15 Aug 1687 on page 44 and 16 Aug 1687 on
page 67.

WILL: Dated 29 Aug 1766 and proven 12 Sept. 1766.

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1. Thomas Carpenter: b. 8-15-1687 in Musketa Cove (now Glen Cove), Nassau Co., NY; d. 8-29-1766 in Rye, Westchester Co., NY
m. Hannah Alsop: b. 1-8-1690/1 in Musketa Cove, Nassau Co., NY; d. before 9-8-1743 in Rye, Westchester Co., NY
2. Thomas Carpenter, Jr.: b.6-25-1710 in Musketa Cove, Nassau Co., NY; d. about 8-24-1784 in Rye, Westchester Co., NY
m. Martha Clement: b. 1718 in Westbury, Nassau Co., NY; d. after 1775 in Westbury, Nassau Co., NY
3. Phebe Carpenter: b. 3-24-1740/41 in Rye, Westchester Co., NY; d. 12-30-1806 in Westchester Co., NY
m. John Haviland: b. 8-1-1734 in New York; d. 2-28-1804 in Westchester Co., NY
3. Jane Carpenter: b. after 1741; d. "young"
3. Charles Carpenter: b. after 1741; d. "young"
3. Sarah Carpenter: b. after 1741; d. after 1767
m. Thomas Vail, Jr.: b. ?; d. after 1767
3. Joseph Carpenter: b. 8-3-1745
2. Hannah Carpenter: b. about 1713; d. before 1766
m. Solomon Haviland: b. ?; d. after 1742
3. Hannah Haviland: b. after 1742
2. Martha Carpenter: b. about 1715
m. Thomas Park: b. in Rye, Westchester Co., NY
2. Stephen Carpenter: b. about 1720 at Bull's Haed Tavern in Musketa Cove, Nassau Co., NY; d. 1753 in New York City, NY
m. Hannah Unknown: b. ?; d. after 1754
3. James Carpenter: b. about 1743 in Westchester Co., NY; d. 1790 in New York City, NY
m. Unknown
4. Stephen Carpenter: b. about 1770
m. Unknown Norman
4. James Carpenter: b. ?; d. after 1812
4. Andrew Carpenter: b. ?; d. after 1812
4. John S. Carpenter: b. ?; d. after 1812
4. Sarah (Sally) Carpenter: b. about 1782; d. after 1801
m. Unknown Husband: b. ?; d. after 1801
5. Unknown: b. after 1800
5. Unknown: b. after 1801
4. Henry Carpenter
3. Andrew Carpenter: b. 1745 in Westchester Co., NY; d. 1778 in Fort Washington, New York City, NY
m. Mercy Reynolds: b. :; d. after 1779
4. Sally Carpenter: b. 5-17-1773; d. ?; unmarried
4. Stephen Carpenter: b. about 1774 in Rye or Harrisons, Westchester Co., NY
m. Unknown Crandall
5. Robert Carpenter
5. Andrew Carpenter
5. Mary Carpenter
5. Elizabeth Carpenter
4. David Carpenter: b. 5-22-1775 in Connecticut; d. after 1818 in Palmyra, NY
m. Rachel Greene: b. 8-15-1777 in Schodack, Rennsalear Co., NY; d. 6-18-1862 in Rochester, NY
5. Clarissa Carpenter: b. 4-23-1797 in Danube Twp., Herkimer Co., NY
5. Harriet Carpenter: b. 6-12-1798 in Danube Twp., Herkimer Co., NY
5. Andrew Carpenter: b. 5-20-1801 in Danube Twp., Herkimer Co., NY
5. Ann Maria Carpenter: b. 6-23-1803 in Danube Twp., Herkimer Co., NY
5. Mercia Carpenter: b. 11-1-1807 in Danube Twp., Herkimer Co., NY
5. Ambrose G. Carpenter: b. 12-28-1809 in Danube Twp., Herkimer Co., NY
5. Elizabeth Carpenter: b. 3-18-1812 in Danube Twp., Herkimer Co., NY
5. Sarah Carpenter: b. 11-25-1813 in Danube Twp., Herkimer Co., NY
m. Earl Thomas: b. 7-12-1819 in Wyoming Co., NY; d. 9-28-1891 in Rochester, NY
6. Earl Thomas: b. 7-12-1845 in Rochester, NY; d. after 1873 in Rochester, NY
m. Francis True: b. 8-16-1848 in Rochester, NY; d. 3-14-1911 in Rochester, NY
7. Frank S. Thomas: b. 5-23-1874 in Rochester, NY; 9-24-1943 in Rochester, NY
m. Grace Taylor: b. 5-11-1877 in Rochester, NY; d. 9-6-1964 in Rochester, NY
8. Louise Thomas: b. 8-8-1904; d. 9-23-1979
m. Charles H. Schaaff: b. 1903; d. before 1987
5. John Carpenter: b. 2-11-1816 in Danube Twp., Herkimer Co., NY
5. William Carpenter: b. 8-17-1817; d. 8-20-1820
5. Felix Carpenter: b. 7-25-1819; d. 7-28-1820
3. Thomas Carpenter: b. 1747 in Westchester Co., NY; d. 2-26-1817 in Harrisons, Westchester Co., NY
m. Elizabeth Haviland: b. before 1756; d. 2-28-1807 probably in New York
4. Sarah Carpenter: b. 1774 in Harrisons, Westchester Co., NY
m. Richard Willis
4. Mary Carpenter: b. 1776 in Harrisons, Westchester Co., NY
m. David Faulkner
4. Thomas Carpenter, Jr.: b. 4-17-1779 in Harrisons, Westchester Co., NY; d. April, 1868
m. Hannah Husted: b. 1782 in Connecticut; d. 2-4-1850
5. Elizabeth Carpenter: b. 1803 in New York; d. 3-21-1887 in New Rochelle, Westchester Co., NY
m. Edward Seymour Ferris: b. 6-15-1800 in St. John, New Brunswick, Canada; d. 1849 in Panama
6. Lucy Lane Ferris: b. after 1826
m. Thomas N. Stockton
6. Jane Eliza Ferris: b. after 1826
m. Daniel S. Bedell
6. William Ferris: b. after 1826
6. Marian Mount Ferris: b. 9-6-1828 in New York; d. 2-16-1915 probably in New York
m. Charles W. Willson: b. July, 1817 in New York; d. 1-15-1873
7. Arthur L. Willson: b. 12-19-1853 in New York; d. 6-22-1907
m. Matilda E. (Tillie) Wilson: b. 2-22-1858 in New York; d. 9-7-1924 possibly in New Rochelle, Westchester Co., NY
8. Harriet Carpenter (Hattie) Willson: b. 5-31-1878 in New York; d. April, 1947 in New York
m. (1) Charles Henry Broas: b. 1-17-1872 in New York; d. 7-17-1919 in New York
9. Dorothy Willson (Dot) Broas: b. 8-12-1899 in Bronx Co., NY; d. 8-9-1981 in Annapolis, Anne Arundel Co., MD
m. John Norman McDowell: b. 8-23-1892 in Parkesburg, Sadsbury Twp., Chester Co., PA; d. 11-26-1958 in Upper Oxford Twp., Chester Co., PA
10. Dorothy Elizabeth McDowell: living
m. Jack Warren Morris: b. 8-26-1924 in Washington, DC; d. 10-21-1999 in Anne Arundel Co., MD
11. Leslie Carol Morris: living
m. Howard Fred Smith: living
11. Elizabeth Willson Morris: living
11. Anne Morris: b. 6-4-1958 in Germany; d. 6-6-1958 in Germany
11. Nancy Morris: b. 3-29-1960 in Fort Bragg, NC; d. 3-29-1960 in Fort Bragg, NC
11. John McDowell Morris: living
m. Elizabeth Paige (Paige) Terry: living
12. Thomas Rand Morris: living
12. Katherine Elizabeth Morris: living
9. Marjorie Hattie (Bardie) Broas: b. 3-18-1905 in New York City, NY; d. October, 1983 in Sarasota, FL
m. John Clyde (Jack) Lapp: b. 4-13-1907 in Clarence, NY; d. 10-26-1990 in Rochester, NY
10. Mary Elizabeth Lapp: living
m. (1) John Hyland Hodgson: b. 2-27-1929 in Boston, MA; d. 7-11-1960 in Buffalo, NY
11. John McBarron Hodgson: living
m. Dinah Lee Keeler: living
12. Matthew David Hodgson: living
12. Christopher Aaron Hodgson: living
12. Caitlyn Elizabeth Hodgson: living
11. David Charles Hodgson: living
m. Laurie Ann Bukovac: living
12. John Joseph Hodgson: living
12. Eleanor Ann (Nora) Hodgson: living
12. Nicholas Broas Hodgson: living

m. (2) Thomas Joseph Donovan: b. 4-25-1930 in Buffalo, NY; d. 5-1-1995 in Rochester, Monroe Co., NY
m. (3) Edward Charles Morin: b. 4-23-1926 in Hinsdale, NH; d. 12-16-1994 in Fairport, Monroe Co., NY

m. (2) Francis Albert Fichtel: b. ?; d. 1958; no issue with Hattie
8. Willie Willson: b. about November, 1879 in New York; d. after 6-1-1880
8. Edith Willson: b. between 1880-1884; d. 10-31-1906
8. Marjorie Willson: b. 6-17-1885 in New York; d. after 1930
m. Latham J. Ovens: b. about 1885 in New York; d. after 1930
9. Latham C. (Bill) Ovens, Jr. : b. about 1911 in New York; d. after 1930
9. Edith H. Ovens: b. about 1914 in New York; d. after 1931
m. Horace Wood: b. ?; d. after 1931
9. Kenneth W. Ovens: b. 8-12-1918 in New York; d. May, 1985 in Manchester, Hillsborough Co., NH
9. Marjorie W. Ovens: b. about 1924 in New York; d. after 1930
9. Donald Ovens: b. 3-31-1928 in New York; d. 1-16-1997 in West Hollywood, Los Angeles Co., CA; unmarried
8. Unknown Willson: b. after 1885
8. Arthur Morrell Willson: b. after 1886
7. Ida Willson: b. about 1856 in New York; d. after 1870
6. Sarah Husted Ferris: b. 10-30-1831 in Peekskill, Westchester Co., NY; d. after 1855
m. Darius V. Smith: b. ?; d. after 1855
6. Benjamin Carpenter Ferris: b. 7-16-1834 in New York; d. 2-14-1875 in New York
m. Caroline A. (Carrie) Folk: b. 1840 in New York; d. 2-23-1886 in Brooklyn, Kings Co., NY
7. William H. Ferris: b. between 1860-1875
6. Adelaide D. (Delia) Ferris: b. about 1838 in New York
m. Alphonso Bogert Schurman
6. Laura Melvina Ferris: b. about 1845 in New York
m. William D. Neese
6. Edward Seymour Ferris: b. 6-2-1850 probably in Putnam Co., NY; d. after 1900
m. (1) Emma A. Phillips: b. about February, 1857 in New Jersey: d. after 1900
7. Lillian Ferris: b. about 1876 in New Jersey; d. after 1900
7. Stockton R. Ferris: b. December, 1879 in New Jersey; d. after 1900
7. Maud E. P. Ferris: b. March, 1884 in New Jersey; d. after 1900
m. (2) Unknown Wife
7. Anna Thompson Ferris: b. 9-8-1891 in Peekskill, Westchester Co., NY; d. 9-29-1891
7. Victor Lewis Ferris: b. 9-19-1892 in Peekskill, Westchester Co., NY; d. November, 1965 in New York
7. Anna Adelia Ferris: b. 1-10-1895 in Peekskill, Westchester Co., NY
7. Mary Elizabeth Ferris: b. 8-23-1899 in Peekskill, Westchester Co., NY
m. (3) Anna Barnes: b. June, 1873 in New York; d. after 1900
5. Benjamin Carpenter: b. after 1803
m. Unknown
6. William L. Carpenter
6. Sarah Carpenter
m. Alexis H. Eustaphieve
6. Annie E. Carpenter
m. Robert S. Haywood
5. Lydia R. Carpenter: b. 1811 in New Rochelle, Westchester Co., NY; d. 6-12-1894 in New Rochelle, Westchester Co.; unmarried
5. Stephen P. Carpenter: b. 1814 in New Rochelle, Westchester Co., NY; d. 3-16-1895 in New Rochelle, Westchester Co.; unmarried
5. Harriet A. (Hattie) Carpenter: b. 1818 in New Rochelle, Westchester Co., NY; d. 6-7-1897 in New Rochelle, Westchester Co.; unmarried
5. Deborah Carpenter: b. in New Rochelle, Westchester Co., NY; d. after 1897, possibly in New Rochelle, Westchester Co.
m. George Hall: b. ?; d. after 1897, possibly in New Rochelle, Westchester Co., NY
4. John Carpenter: b. 1782 in Harrisons, Westchester Co., NY; d. 1-29-1876 in Harrisons, Westchester Co., NY
m. Sally Knapp: b. before 1796 in Connecticut; d. 1833-1860
5. Charles Knapp Carpenter: b. 3-11-1814 in New York; d. after 1880
m. Ann F. Unknown: b. about 1823 in New York; d. after 1870
6. Emily A. Carpenter: b. about 1843 in New York; d. after 1870
m. Samuel R. Dickey: b. about 1846 in Pennsylvania; d. after 1870
7. Kate A. Dickey: b. about March, 1870 in Kansas, probably Leavenworth Co.
6. Edwin Carpenter: b. about 1846 in New York; d. 1850-1855 probably in New York
6. John H. Carpenter: b. about 1855 in New York; d. after 1870
6. Edwin C. Carpenter: b. about 1865 in New York; d. after 1870
5. Catharine Ann Carpenter: b. 2-4-1816 in New York; d. 12-29-1893; unmarried
5. Andrew Ferris Carpenter: b. 4-29-1818 in New York; d. after 1850
m. Harriett Unknown: b. about 1819 in New York; d. after 1850
6. George Carpenter: b. about 1843 in New York; d. after 1850
6. Sarah Carpenter: b. about 1846 in New York; d. after 1850
5. Mary Elizabeth Carpenter: b. 8-1-1820 in New York; d. after 1860
5. Henry Rutgers Carpenter: b. 1-8-1823 in New York; d. after 1898; unmarried
5. William Smith Carpenter: b. 2-21-1825 in New York; d. after 1886
5. George Washington Carpenter: b. 11-17-1830 in New York; d. after 1860
5. James Wilson Carpenter: b. 4-17-1833 in New York; d. after 1887; unmarried
4. Charity Carpenter: b. 12-25-1784 in Harrisons, Westchester Co., NY
m. Jesse Baker: b. in New Rochelle, Westchester Co., NY
5. Sarah W. Baker
m. Robert P. Titus
3. Sally Carpenter: b. after 1747; d. ?; unmarried
3. Nancy Carpenter: b. about 1749 in New York; d. after 1779
m. Josiah Wheeler: b. before 1756; d. after 1779
4. Eliphat Wheeler: b. 1-22-1780; d. 3-15-1866
m. Mary M. Van Lieu
3. Hannah Carpenter: b. between 1750 and 1752
m. Unknown Van Arsdale (or Varsdale)
3. Mary Carpenter: b. about 1753 in Flushing, Queens Co., NY; d. after 1774
m. Eliphat Wheeler: b. about 1752; d. after 1774
4. Andrew Wheeler: b. after 1770
4. Eliphat Wheeler: b. after 1770
4. Unknown Wheeler: b. after 1770
m. Unknown Wells
4. Unknown Wheeler: b. after 1770
m. Unknown Griffin
4. Unknown Wheeler: b. after 1770
m. Unknown Middleton
2. Freelove Carpenter: b. about 1723
m. Thomas Marsh
2. Isaac Carpenter: b. 6-4-1726 at 'Duck Pond,' Musketa Cove, Nassau Co., NY; d. 5-21-1778 in Harrisons, Westchester Co., NY
m. Martha Hunt: b. 4-17-1734 in New York; d. after 1778
3. Nathaniel Carpenter: b. 5-22-1761 in New York; d. after 1780
m. Dorothy Carpenter: b. 11-14-1761 in New York; d. after 1780
4. Jacob Carpenter: b. 5-6-1780 in Rye, Westchester Co., NY; d. 11-13-1855
m. Phebe Thorn: b. 5-16-1786; d. 10-26-1859
5. Elnathan Carpenter: b. 2-27-1808; d. 2-18-1892 in Harrison, Westchester Co., NY
m. Hannah F. Haviland: b. 3-15-1806; d. 1-15-1887
6. Jacob A. Carpenter: b. 3-23-1840; d. 3-2-1893
m. Mary Augusta Griffen: b. 5-27-1846; d. after 1863
7. Amy Carpenter: b. 6-3-1864; d. 8-13-1864
5. Dorothy Carpenter: b. 6-18-1810; d. after 1832
m. Thomas L. Pearce: b. 6-18-1811; d. after 1832
5. Isaac Carpenter: b. 5-30-1812; d. 3-29-1878
m. Rebecca Anderson: b. 12-2-1809; d. 2-6-1884
Note: Prior to marrying Isaac, Rebecca was married to Artemus Carpenter, his first cousin once-removed; they appear again below.
6. Mary Elizabeth Carpenter: b. 9-27-1839; d. 12-3-1841
6. Charles M. Carpenter: b. 11-2-1849; d. 10-3-1889
5. Thomas Carpenter: b. 8-12-1815; d. 5-15-1890
m. Jane Underhill: b. August, 1814; d. 12-26-1880
6. William Carpenter: b. 3-9-1843; d. 5-23-1889
m. Julia Kipp: b. ?; d. after 1871
7. Edith Carpenter: b. 1872; d. 1902
6. Phebe Carpenter: b. 11-10-1850; d. 12-10-1850
5. Elizabeth Carpenter: b. 10-8-1820; d. 3-17-1883
m. Solomon A. Haviland: b. 4-11-1818; d. 3-2-1901
6. Jacob A. Haviland: b. 7-4-1849; d. 9-25-1919
6. Abram E. Haviland: b. 4-19-1856; d. 12-16-1924
m. Ida P. Sutton: b. 2-2-1861; d. 12-2-1938
6. Henry C. Haviland: b. 1-4-1858
6. George W. Haviland: b. 3-26-1859; d. 7-1-1929
6. Mary E. Haviland: b. 11-3-1862; d. 9-20-1864
5. Martha Carpenter: b. 12-10-1823
5. Nathaniel Carpenter: b. 5-3-1827; d. 9-8-1830
3. Samuel Carpenter: b. about 1763 in Queens Co., NY;
m. Hannah Carpenter
3. Phebe Carpenter: b. about 1765 in Queens Co., NY; d. after 1782
m. John Frost: b. about 1765 in Queens Co., NY: d. after 1782
3. Sarah Carpenter: b. about 1765 in Queens Co., NY
m. Matthias Wall: b. about 1765 in Queens Co. or New York City, NY
3. Hannah Carpenter: b. 1766 in Queens Co., NY; d. 1-8-1826
m. Stephen Barnes: b. about 1755 in Queens Co., NY; d. 5-11-1812
4. Isaac Barnes: b. about 1780 in Westchester Co., NY
m. Anne Carpenter: b. probably in Dutchess Co., NY
4. Samuel Barnes: b. about October 4, 1789 in Harrison, Westchester Co., NY; d. 3-14-1846
m. Letecia Haviland: b. 6-19-1791; d. 9-18-1876
5. Elias Barnes: b. 3-1-1816; d. 2-18-1887
m. (1) Sarah W. Carpenter: b. 12-10-1811; d. 4-5-1859
Note: Elias and Sarah were first cousins once-removed; they appear again below.
6. Hannah Barnes: b. about 1-27-1842; d. 11-27-1921; unmarried
6. Emily C. Barnes: b. about 1-6-1850; d. 6-3-1871

m. (2) Martha Unknown: b. about December, 1823; d. 6-9-1889
5. William S. Barnes: b. purportedly about June, 1845; d. 11-15-1868
4. Sarah Barnes: b. 2-15-1795 in Westchester Co., NY; d. 12-8-1870; unmarried
4. Stephen Barnes: b. about 1793 in Westchester Co., NY; d. 5-8-1858
m. Hannah Burling: b. about 1792; d. 2-2-1848
5. Stephen Barnes: b. 9-19-1820; d. 3-30-1888
m. Esther S. Unknown: b. 5-17-1825; d. 4-27-1907
6. Franklin Barnes: b. 1855; d. 1876
5. Samuel Barnes: b. 2-5-1821; d. 10-14-1881
m. Mary Unknown: b. 4-18-1825; d. 9-11-1909
4. Esther Barnes: b. 8-24-1795 in Westchester Co., NY; d. 8-24-1850
m. Ezra Carpenter: b. 2-23-1789 probably in Westchester Co., NY; d. 4-15-1861
5. James Carpenter: b. 8-27-1813; d. 12-1-1853
m. Mary Haviland: b. February, 1813; d. December, 1851
6. Hannah Carpenter: b. 10-12-1835; d. 11-24-1893
m. Richard C. Keeler: b. 7-25-1833; d. 2-17-1919
7. Hattie Keeler: b. 11-8-1878; d. 1-31-1893
6. James E. Carpenter: b. 4-9-1839; d. 11-8-1857
4. Joshua Barnes: b. about 1791 in Westchester Co., NY
4. Josiah Barnes: b. about 1792 in Westchester Co., NY
4. David H. Barnes: b. 11-23-1802 in Westchester Co., NY; d. 12-15-1880
m. Naomi B. Haviland: b. 2-16-1803; d. 6-24-1882
5. David A. Barnes: b. 1-29-1826; d. 10-29-1833
5. Sarah Barnes: b. about 1833; d. 10-20-1841
5. Robert Barnes: b. 7-30-1837; d. 1-13-1920
m. Esther H. Griffen: b. 1-2-1839; d. 9-12-1908
4. Hannah Barnes: b. about 1796 in Westchester Co., NY
3. Josiah Carpenter: b. 2-13-1768 in Queens Co., NY; d. 7-16-1847
m. Charlotte Mead: b. April, 1774 in Greenwich, CT; d. 5-23-1870
4. Thomas Carpenter: b. 6-4-1795; d. 8-12-1849
m. Phebe Underhill: b. about 1797; d. 7-17-1849
4. Henry Mead Carpenter: b. 12-14-1796; d. 11-10-1852
m. (1) Abby Jane Buckley: b. 5-2-1802; d. 5-5-1829
m. (2) Rebecca Willets Underhill: b. 11-14-1808; d. 7-11-1843
m. (3) Deborah Cornell: b. 3-10-1808; d. 4-29-1891
4. Martha H. Carpenter: b. about 1799; d. 9-2-1841
m. Thomas U. Sutton
4. Isaac Carpenter: b. 9-24-1800; d. 6-11-1880
m. (1) Abby Sutton: b. 10-8-1803; d. 7-22-1853
5. James Carpenter: b. 9-23-1819; d. 9-22-1835

m. (2) Catharine H.: b. about 1813; d. 3-30-1896
4. Artemus M. Carpenter: b. 9-17-1804; d. 2-15-1826
m. Rebecca Anderson: b. 12-2-1809; d. 2-6-1884
Note: After Artemus' death, Rebecca married Isaac Carpenter, his first cousin once-removed; they appear again above.
4. Charlotte Carpenter: b. 12-29-1806; d. 4-12-1814
4. Josiah Carpenter: b. 9-3-1808; d. September, 1819
4. Charles M. Carpenter: b. 5-26-1810; d. 11-27-1890
m. Charlotte Underhill: b. before 1821; d. after 1837
5. Phoebe Ann Carpenter: b. 9-8-1838; d. 6-16-1911
5. Sarah Carpenter: b. 12-9-1842; d. 10-16-1896 at Cos Cob, CT
4. Sarah W. Carpenter: b. 12-10-1811; d. 4-5-1859
m. Elias Barnes: b. 3-1-1816; d. 2-18-1887
Note: Sarah and Elias were first cousins once-removed; they appear again above.
5. Hannah Barnes: b. about 1-27-1842; d. 11-27-1921; unmarried
5. Emily C. Barnes: b. about 1-6-1850; d. 6-3-1871
4. William S. Carpenter: b. 12-23-1818; d. 11-27-1901
m. Elizabeth Loines
3. Stephen Carpenter: b. about 1770 in Queens Co., NY
3. Isaac Carpenter: b. 4-16-1771 in Harrisons, Westchester Co., NY; d. 10-18-1826
m. Lydia Thorne: b. 8-23-1774; d. 9-12-1830
4. Elnathan Carpenter: b. after 1795
4. Martha Carpenter: b. after 1795; d. 12-18-1825
m. Thomas Cock: b. 6-8-1796; d. after 1825
5. Lydia Cock: b. 1821
5. Phebe Cock: b. 1823
5. Isaac Cock: b. 1824
5. Thomas Carpenter Cock: b. 11-18-1825; d. 3-24-1875
4. Sarah Carpenter: b. 10-30-1800; d. 10-1-1833; unmarried
4. John Thorne Carpenter: b. 4-13-1803; d. 1866 in Milwaukee, WI
m. Sarah Carpenter: b. 8-30-1810; d. in New York City, NY
4. Phebe Carpenter: b. 6-5-1805; d. 9-1-1884
m. Townsend Carpenter: b. 5-19-1800; d. 6-29-1868
5. Adelia A. Carpenter (possibly a daughter of Townsend and Phebe): b. ?; d. age 5-9 (11-18-1815 but date must be wrong)
5. Isaac T. Carpenter: b. 1-10-1825; d. 12-16-1902
5. David R. Carpenter: b. 3-16-1827; d. 12-28-1849
4. Moses Carpenter: b. 7-26-1807; d. 10-2-1853
m. Jane Cromwell: b. 7-8-1812; d. 8-5-1869
4. James Carpenter: b. 5-3-1810; d. 11-20-1832
4. Aaron Carpenter: b. 6-10-1812 in New York; d. 8-18-1873
m. Jane S. Weeks: b. 2-14-1814 in New York; d. 10-16-1881
5. George Washington Carpenter: b. 2-28-1844 in New York; d. after 1880
m. Priscilla Hinman: b. about 1838 in New York; d. after 1880
6. Howard I. Carpenter: b. about 1860 in New York; d. after 1880
6. Albert H. Carpenter: b. about 1863 in New York; d. after 1880
6. Elsie Carpenter: b. about 1867 in New York; d. after 1880
5. Emily E. Carpenter: b. 10-28-1844; d. after 1867
m. Leonard J. Carpenter: b. 4-18-1845 in New York City, NY; d. 4-17-1889 in Saranac Lake, NY
5. Frederick Jesse Carpenter: b. 11-29-1851 in New York; d. after 1889
m. (1) Sarah E. Carpenter: b. about 1855 in New York; d. 5-15-1882
6. Alice Maud Carpenter: b. 1-11-1876 in New York; d. after 1880
6. Emily Jane Carpenter: b. December, 1877; d. 1878
6. Ruth Carpenter: b. 11-10-1888
6. Gertrude Carpenter: b. 7-25-1890
m. (2) Malvina Sharot: b. ?; d. after 1889
6. Ruth Carpenter: b. 11-10-1888
6. Gertrude Carpenter: b. 7-25-1890
5. Augustus Henry Carpenter: b. 6-14-1855
4. William Thorne Carpenter: b. 2-4-1813
m. Esther Jane Carpenter: b. 10-28-1818
4. Isaac Carpenter: b. 9-25-1817; d. 3-4-1879
m. (1) Hannah Field: b. 11-3-1817; d. 2-8-1848
5. Anna Carpenter: b. ?; d. 7-29-1843
5. William F. Carpenter: b. ?; d. 7-29-1843
5. Harry C. Carpenter: b. 9-5-1843; d. 11-19-1864

m. (2) Katharine E. Hanratty: b. 3-1-1828; d. 12-17-1902
3. Thomas Carpenter: b. about 1774 in Westchester Co., NY

Sources:

: "History & Genealogy of the Carpenter Family in America, From the Settlement at Providence, Rhode Island, 1637-1901", Daniel Hoogland Carpenter, The Marion Press, Jamaica, Queensborough, NY, 1901.
: Jim Ferris' for the descendants of Edward Seymour Ferris and Elizabeth Carpenter.
Lisa Folk's ":2069292" database for the descendants of Benjamin Carpenter Ferris and Caroline A. Folk.
Carpenter/Wilson/Willson/Broas/McDowell/Morris family records
DAR application of Hattie Carpenter (Willson) Broas
Social Security Administration's Death Index
United States census records
Comments, Questions, Additions, or Corrections are welcome!

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Hannah (see notes) Alsop

BIRTH: 8 Jan 1691 per the book Carpenter Family in America and
8 Jun 1691 per the Ancestory File (AF).
DEATH: before 8 Sept. 1743 the date of her father's will which indicates that
she was deceased.
NAME: Maiden name may not have been Alsop, but no further info provided.  See notes for daughter Hannah.  Very likely is that the maiden name and parents as wrong.

MORE:
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Haviland/Carpenter (& related) marriages
> Marilyn wrote:
>
> << If this is a different Thomas than the one who married  Hannah Alsop, can
> you tell me which Thomas it was?  (Some say it  is the same as Thomas with
> wife Hannah Alsop.) >>
>
> So far as I'm aware, there was no marriage between a Thomas Carpenter and a
> Hannah Alsop.  The Thomas Carpenter _said_ to have married Hannah Alsop,  was
> the father of Hannah5 Carpenter, who married Solomon Haviland (see  Daniel
> Hoogland Carpenter, _History and Genealogy of the Carpenter Family  in America_
> [Jamaica, N.Y., 1901], 67; Josephine C. Frost, _The  Haviland Genealogy_ [New
> York, 1914], 110).  These  sources identify Hannah Alsop as the daughter of
> Thomas and  Hannah (Underhill) Alsop.  Both assertions are incorrect.
>
> If Hannah Underhill married an Alsop (direct, documentary evidence is
> lacking), it was not Thomas but Richard1 Alsop (see  Douglas Leffingwell, _Alsop
> Genealogy_ [n.p., 1928], 2-4; Joseph C. Frost,  ed., _Underhill Genealogy_, 2
> vols. [New York?, 1932], 2:65; Robert  Charles Anderson, _The Great Migration
> Begins: Immigrants to New England  1620-1633_, 3 vols. [Boston, 1995], 3:1862,
> 1863).  "Richard  Alsop's widow, Hannah (who, tradition saith, was a Dutch lady,
> whom he courted  through an interpreter), attained her 91st yr. and d. Aug.
> 23, 1757" (James  Riker, _The Annals of Newtown, in Queens County, New-York_ [Ne
> w York, 1852],  335).  Widow Hannah Alsop's age at death matches  perfectly
> Hannah Underhill's birth date of 2 December 1666; although she  was born at
> Flushing, Long Island, her father, Capt. John1 Underhill, had  married first wife
> Helena deHooch at the Hague, Netherlands (12  December 1628) (_The Great
> Migration Begins_, 3:1861, 1862).  A Thomas  Alsop immigrated to New England in
> 1635 with his brother Joseph and settled  in Connecticut (Robert Charles
> Anderson, George F. Sanborn Jr., Melinde Lutz  Sanborn, _The Great Migration:
> Immigrants to New England 1634-1635, Volume 1  A-B_ [Boston, 1999], 47-52).  He died
> by 1650/1, however, and there is no  indication that he married or had
> children (ibid., 52).   The Thomas Alsop whose will D. H. Carpenter cites is that of
> Richard1  Alsop's son (1687-1743) (see _Carpenter Family in America_, 68n; New
> York Wills  and Administrations, 15:127-29 [FHL film #497595]; _Alsop Gen_,
> 4; _Underhill  Gen_, 2:65).
>
> Richard Alsop's will, executed at Maspeth Kills (in Newtown [now  Elmhurst]),
> Queens County, Long Island, on 11 October 1718 and proved the  following 8
> November, names daughter Hannah Sackett (_Alsop Gen_, 2  [transcr. of will]).
> Her husband is identified elsewhere as Joseph  Sackett, son of Joseph and
> Elizabeth (Betts) Sackett (_Annals of Newtown_,  345-46; _Underhill Gen_, 2:66).
>
> An 1859 account by a Haviland descendant based on family records  gives the
> forename of the wife of Thomas4 Carpenter (Joseph3-2, William1 of  Providence)
> as Hannah (see _Haviland Gen_, 186).  Her maiden name, however,  has not been
> established.
>
> Gene Z.


Thomas Park

A farmer in Rye, NY.


Thomas Marsh

A farmer.


64. William Carpenter

Number 21 in the Carpenter Family in America, 1901 book.
A house carpenter.

He owned land in 1718, near Armonk, Westchester County, NY.
His wife became estranged to him on account of their different religious
beliefs, which so affected his after life that in 1730 he gave to his daughter
(and possibly only child) one half of all his estate.  The other half he had
sold previously to her husband.  He then moved to Westchester county, NY to
live with his father. It is said he bought a plot of land near Pleasantville.


Elizabeth Prior

Probably related to the Elizabeth Prior (B. abt. 1660) who married a Feake.


66. Joseph Carpenter

Number 22 in the Carpenter Family in America, 1901 book.
!He owned land in 1718, near Armonk, Westchester County, NY.
He owned the land per a map survey with Bennonah Merit.

WILL: Oyster Bay, Queens county, NY, will dated Feb. 25, 1727 proved March 21,
1727/1728, wife Abigail and her brother John Robbins made executors.
SEE ALSO: Collections of The New York Historical Society for the year 1902,
page 100 and 101 of unrecorded wills.   The will and inventory is listed there.
"Inventory of the estate of Joseph Carpenter of the Round Swamp, in Oyster Bay,
Queens County.  Taken March 13, 1727/28.  Among others, the following items:
Land and crop, 112 (pounds); cash in house or outstanding, 22 (pounds); 5 cows,
13 (pounds) 5 s.; 11 swine, 4 (pound), 2 s., 6 d.; 2 beds and furniture, 14
(pounds), 6 s.; 14 sheep, 4 (pound), 4 s.  Total, 234 (pounds), 1 s.
Made by William Willis, James Townsend, Zebuion Dickison."
"In the name of God, Amen.  Feburary 25, 1727. I, Joseph Carpenter, of Oyster
Bay, in Queens County, yeoman, being very sick.  I leave to my wife Abigail,
all my household goods (saving my gun and carpenter tools), and what was left
to her in her father's will.  To her and her heirs and assigns.  Also the use
of John Townsend's land so long as it was to have been mine.  All the rest of
my lands and moveables are to be sold, and the proceeds divided between my two
sons, Joseph and John.  I make my wife and her brother, John Robbins,
executors.  Wittnesses, Samuel Workman, Robert Hubbs, John Wooden."  Proved,
March 21, 1727/28.

Musketa Cove and Oyster bay are now part of Nassau county (formed 1898).


67. Silas Carpenter

Number 23 in the Carpenter Family in America, 1901 book.  No family listed.
!He owned land in 1718, near Armonk, Westchester County, NY.
He owned the land with his father, he bought land later at North Castle
and at Rye in Westchester county.  He owned the land per a map
survey with Bennonah Merit.  Silas was probably born at Oyster Bay.
On March 1 ,1720 sold land at Duck Pond, Bedford, LI, NY to Thomas Golding.
May 8, 1722, Silas bought 375 acres of land with his father at Northcastle, NY
and in Rye, NY.

WILL: Oyster Bay, Queens county, NY, will dated Feb. 25, 1727 proved March 21,
1727/1728, wife Abigail and her brother John Robbins.
On March 1, 1720 he sold his land at Duck Pond, Bedford, Long Island to Thomas
Golding.  He bought 375 acres with his father at Northcastle, NY on May 8, 1722
and at Rye.  SEE CORRECTION BELOW.

MARRIAGE: The "Cock, Cocks, Cox Genealogy" by George William Cocks (New York,
NY, 1914), states that Sillas married Jean Thornycraft daughter of William.
Jean was called Jane in her Father's will and in her Husband's will.

WILL 2: A corrected will of the New York Historical Society Collections
Volumnes found by Louise Carpenter Licklider states in abstract:
"In the name of God, Amen.  January 3, 1728/1729, I, Silas Carpenter of North
Castle, in Westchester County, Blacksmith. I leave to my wife, Jane, one-third
of all moveables.  All houses and lands to be sold.  I leave to my daughters,
Hannah and Phebe, 10 pounds each when of age.  The rest to be put at interest
until my three sons, William, Timothy, and Silias, are of age and then divided
among them.  I make William Craft and William Carpenter, Jr., both of Long
Island, and my wife, Jane, Executors.  Witnesses, Adam Ireland, Job Wright,
Nataniel Carpenter.  Proved Feburary 1, 1728/1729."  1 Feb is correct! Not 11
Feb. NOTE: Raymond George Carpenter concurs and James Ausie Carpenter states,
"I am so happy for Charlie tha t after all these years of failure to gain
through Louise A-1 proof of Lineage."  In May of 1984, Charles Lorain
Carpenter was aware of this and concluded the same thing.

CHILDREN: Silas's children are listed in an update to the 1901 book.  It is
also added to The Descendants of Timothy Carpenter as a May 3, 1984 update
addenda.


Jane or Jean Thornycraft

WILL: Her father's will was proved 19 Dec 1828 in Muscetta Cove, Long Island,
New York.  She was mentioned as a daughter.  Her baptised name is Jean but she
is recorded in her father's and husband's wills as Jane.


69. Benjamin Carpenter

Number 24 in the Carpenter Family in America, 1901 book.
AKA: "Benjamin the sadler."

MARRIAGE: Benjamin married Diana Albertson as his first wife.
Chappaqua Monthly Meeting Records, Page 41 (includes birth record of their
son, Caleb) and Long Island Genealogy by Bunker.  Diana is buried in the
Chappaqua Monthly Meeting Cemetery with Benjamin.
Benjamin married second a Lydia, who was reportedly nee Thorne.  With his
second wife he moves to North Castle about 1740.
Per Charles L. Carpenter, Rear Admiral USN Ret.

MARRIAGE: The Carpenter Family in America book has the first wife as Dinah
Albertson, daughter of Derrick and Elizabeth (Coles) Albertson who died on
9 Feb. 1738/39.  Her Tombstone was found in the old Daniel Coles Burial Ground
at Glen Cove (Musketa Cove) by Daniel H. Carpenter (compiler of the 1901 book)
who found "the following inscription on a rudely yet plainly cut headstone.
The stone was nearly covered with soil and debris washed down from the
adjoining hillside by the storms of a century and a half.
"Dinah Carpenter, Des. 9th D. FAB 1738"."

WILL: Will of Benjamin Carpenter, 26 Sept. 1769, New York Wills, Vol. 36,
p. 66, Jan 25, 1783 executed.

E-MAIL:   From:    Jack A Schoedinger
Subject:     Re: Benjamin Carpenter, Caleb Carpenter confusion
    To:        SEvans50@aol.com
   CC:        Analytix@valley.net, jrcrin001@home.com, CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com,
       ginnyfiles@worldnet.att.net
Hi Stefani,
       I have not been ignoring you. I have been doing some research on this family and also fit the pieces into
one big picture. I did find the wedding list interesting and they petty much support the fact that they are
relatives or friends. I would suspect that Caleb, if he was in attendance at the event, would not sign as a
witness because he could not write, as evidenced by his will that was signed by his "mark".
        I did see two interesting individuals that sign as witnesses at Phebe's wedding. The first was a William
E. Carpenter, who was possibly a young man that (according to the New York Quaker Monthly Meeting
records) was from "Pokeepsie" who died May 10th, 1826 at the age of 19 years s months. I do not know
who he is or what his Ancestor was so might pay to look a little deeper her. The Second was a Miriah
Albertson. This is another person that should be checked out because of the purported marriages to Dianah
Albertson and Alvendon.
       My instinct at this time, is that we must clarify who or what Benjamin (I understand that there was 5
Benjamins in the area and that to ease the confusion they were called by there trade such as "Benjamin the
saddler" etc.) was actually married to Lydia Thorn, Dianah Alverson, and Dianah Albertson. At one point I
thought the two Dianahs were the same but information states that one is buried in the Old Danial Coles
Burial Ground at Glen Cove (Muskata Cove) and the other is buried with Benjamin in the Chappaqua
Monthly Meeting Cemetery, so they both apparently lived in the area, but why would Alverson be buried in
the Coles cemetery?.
       In regard to Benjamin's son Caleb, who is listed under both Dianahs in most files,is most  probably the
son of Alvenson, who was also the choice of James Usher, when he merged the family into the lineage of
Cotleb Zimmerman. An action that has some far reaching results and to this day can not be logically
supported. In my opinion we can clean up our family lineage, but the long term fix is to go back to Ushers
book and show the errors in his work and discredit his assumptions. Others have tried this and many
document still show the existence of the problem. I recently saw a disclaimer in the work of  Jan Robinson
(Robinson2@aol.com) that reads as follows:
        " This Benjamin was thought to be son of Timothy Carpenter of the Cotleb Zimmerman Line of LI, by
James Usher in his book “ Genealogy & Historic Record of the Carpenter Family- Pub-1883 NY City, was
proven wrong in 1901 by Daniel H. Carpenter, in his book on the RI branch & again by American
Genealogist Raymond G. Carpenter and his English brother -in-law Harry Rodgers. Also this Coincides with
Coles Family records of children of Elizabeth Coles and Derrick Albertson.

Number 24 in the Carpenter Family in America, 1901 book. AKA: “Benjamin the sadler.”Benjamin married (1) Diana OR Dinah ALBERTSON-19813, daughter of Derrick ALBERTSON-22385 and Elizabeth COLES-22328 on 30
Oct 1718 in LI, NY. Diana was born 19 Mar 1698 in LI. She died 9 Feb 1738 in Queens, LI."
       Another avenue we should consider is the information we can obtain from associated area families.
From what I can see is that the Cornwell/Cornell lineage is to Long Island Carpenters as Arnolds are to
Rhode Island Carpenters. In a brief search I have found some twenty-five marriages between the two
families. I did find a Cornwell file I could send to you if you wish.
       I also found a file for the New York Quaker Records Index taken from The Encyclopedia of Quaker
Genealogy Vol III (1750-1930) and will check it out for information on the local family as well as possible
leads in the true Lineage of our family.
Jack


Diana or Dinah Albertson

See husband's notes.


70. Timothy Carpenter

Number 25 in the book, Carpenter Family in America, 1901 by Daniel H.
Carpenter.  Family on page 75 and 76.  See father's notes!

This Timothy removed from Hempstead to North Castle about 1720, some 50 miles,
in Westchester, NY where he purchased a farm on which he resided
until his death. He was interred in the quaker burial ground at Chapaqua.

WILL: His will was dated 21 Jul 1763, proved 24 May 1769 and admitted to
probate on 30 Aug 1769, and is recorded in the Surrogate's office in the City
of New York.  His sons William, Benjamin, and Timothy as executors.
The will mentions wife: Phebe; sons: WIlliam, Archelaus, Benjamin,
Timothy and daughter: Phebe Forman.

SEE: The New York Historical Society Collections for the Year of 1898, pp.
273-274.  Early Wills of Westchester County, NY, 1898, pg. 273.

FAMILY: Timothy 2nd, born 4 Jan 1698, as listed in the James Usher
book, has been proven wrong regarding his father.  This is still subject to
great debate.  Per Carpenter Family in America, 1901 by Daniel H. Carpenter and
Raymond George Carpenter, genealogist, et cetera.

SEE: Genealogical and Historical Record of the Carpenter Family,
by James Usher Page 30 regarding The Carpenter Family of Long Island and NY.
Of the Cotleb Zimmerman line per that record.  But parents are wrong.
Did this Timothy own land in 1718, near Armonk, Westchester County, NY?
NO!  It was the Timothy Carpenter, son of Silas C.!

SEE: Letter to Members of the Carpenter Fund Association, 10 Nov. 1882
Poughkeepsie, NY.  By W. C. Barker, Pres't Carpenter Fund Association.
It gives some descendants, but has this Timothy's parents wrong.
BOOK: See page 14 (#5 for notes) of the Mowrey 1997 book. See book information
below:

UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.


Phebe or Phoebe Coles

She was not a Carpenter as in the James Usher Record.
She was a Coles.

Subject: CARPENTER FAMILY - RI to NY
Date: 99-05-04 10:52:41 EDT
From: LMORE@worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Gordon More)
To: JRCRIN001 (John R. Carpenter)
From: M Burton
To: LMORE@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: CARPENTER FAMILY - RI to NY
Date: Sunday, May 02, 1999 11:56 AM
Ok, Larry, I went through my notes on the Carpenters and the Coles
families.
This is what I have:
Phoebe was the daughter of Samuel Coles, born 1668, died October 7, 1723,
who married Elizabeth Albertson, born March 16, 1670, and died Dec. 20,
1723.  They married 1693.  Samuel and Phoebe were both born in Musketa
Cove. Samuel was the oldest son of Daniel Coles and Mahershallalhashbaz Gorton.
If you are interested, somewhere i have a story of her name, but it comes
from the Bible.  She was the daughter of Samuel Gorton of Warwick, RI.
Elizabeth Albertson was the daughter of Derick Albertson and someone whose
name I have listed only as Wilmett.  I don't remember anything about the
name, but there are Willetts in the area about that time, so it could be a
version of that.
Daniel Coles was the son of Robert Coles and Mary Hauxhurst or Hawxhurst.
He was born about 1637, probably in Ipswich, MA.
Robert Coles came to America with the Winthrop fleet in 1630, and went to
Massachusetts.  He followed Roger Williams when he went to Rhode Island and
is mentioned in the "Initial Deed" of 1638 of that settlement.  He died in
1654.
When Joseph Carpenter bought the original land from the Indians, he was
then granted the patent and took on four partners.  They were Nathaniel Coles,
Abia Carpenter (his brother-in-law), Thomas Townsend, and Robert Coles.
They were the original "Five Proprietors".  Soon after, Daniel Coles
replaced Abia, and Townsend's interests were transferred to Nicholas
Simkins.
Nathaniel, Daniel and Robert Coles were all sons of Robert Coles, who was
the original immigrant of the family.  The older Robert Coles also had a
brother Samuel who came to America, so don't get too confused if you run
into the same names.
Much of this information is from "Long Island: A History of Nassau and
Suffolk and Nassau", Vol. I. edited by Paul Bailey, published by Lewis
Historical Publishing Co. 1949.  The author had access to original journals
written by the Coles Brothers and Joseph Carpenter.
Hope this answers your questions, but if you have more, let me know.
Maybe I have the answer.
Marilyn Carpenter Burton
>Reply-To:
>To:
>Subject: Re: CARPENTER FAMILY - RI to NY
>Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:55:42 -0500
>Re: CARPENTER FAMILY - RI to NY posted by Anita Crabtree on November 10,
>1998 at 21:14:40:
>Anita, I decended from Timothy to Samuel, to Samuel, to William, to Ward,
>who's daughter married Homer R. Frost of Tarrytown, NY. Homer being a
>decnedant of William Frost who's name appears on the deed to the original
>Quaker Long Island settlement, as negociated by Captian John Underhill. I
>am at a dead end on the ancestors of phebe Coles, have you any information
>on this?
>Thank you for your time
>Larry More


211. Ephraim or Emphraim Carpenter

Number 74 in the book, Carpenter Family in America, 1901 by Daniel H.
Carpenter.  Birth date as listed in the above book and Chr date as listed in
the record below.
SEE: Genealogical and Historical Record of the Carpenter Family, by James Usher
Page 30 regarding The Carpenter Family of Long Island and NY.
Usher maybe wrong.  See granfather's notes.

Per the Carpenter Family book, He is believed to have moved to Orange county,
NY and one of his daughters married a Cole, so the book notes.


219. Elizabeth Carpenter

Number 82 in the book, Carpenter Family in America, 1901 by Daniel H.
Carpenter.  Birth date as listed in the above book and Chr date as listed in
the record below.   She probably died young per the Carpenter Family book.
SEE: Genealogical and Historical Record of the Carpenter Family, by James Usher
Page 30 regarding The Carpenter Family of Long Island and NY.
Usher maybe wrong.  See grandfather's notes.


71. Hannah Carpenter

Number 27 in the Carpenter Family in America, 1901 book.


74. Benedict Carpenter

Number 30 in the Carpenter Family in America, 1901 book.

WEB PAGE:
http://www.usgennet.org/~ahnydutc/oblongmarriages1.htm
Marriages from the Oblong Monthly Meeting, Dutchess, NY, Part I
LDS Film # 873511, Records of Josephine Frost.
Benedict Carpenter of Scarsdale married Abigail Ferriss of Oblong.
Married, 15 of 12m, 1767, at Oblong, Dutchess, NY.

Benedict Carpenter (father of James) and James Carpenter (son-in-law of Benjamin) are listed as the bondsmen for settling Benjamin Townsend's estate in 1775, showing the families are interconnected.


Hannah Haviland

She died leaving 3 children.


Abigail Horton

Abigail may have been the daughter of Joseph Horton.
DEATH: Per minutes of the Friend's Meeting at Purchase indicate death and
burial dates.


230. Abigail Carpenter

Number 92 in the Carpenter Family in America, 1901 book.
Page 117 has additional information.  She and her husband were farmers at North
Castle.  The Purchase Meeting Record shows the following witnesses at the
marriage, viz: Joseph, Daniel, Samuel, Elizabeth, Abigail, Leah and Sarah
Carpenter.


231. Hannah Carpenter

Number 93 in the Carpenter Family in America, 1901 book.


Abigail Farris

Abigail married first William Ferris then Benjamin (should be Benedict)
Carpenter.
DEATH: Per minutes of the Friend's Meeting at Purchase indicate death and
burial dates. Also she was about 55 years of age.


Elizabeth Wanser

She married a "Wanser" of Musketa Cove and was a widow when she married
Benedict Carpenter.


76. Joseph Carpenter Sr.

Number 32 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901.

Joseph Carpenter was in Brandon's Brook near Rye, Westchester, NY in 1718. In
1731, he sold 80 acres of land in North Castle including a grist mill, dwelling
and livestock. (See: Westchester County, New York Colony Records, Book G, p.5)
In 1746 he went to Covington, Augusta county, VA with his neighbor and cousin
Peter Wright.  About 1752, his nephew Zophar Carpenter also came to Augusta
County, VA.  In 1759 he served in Capt. Dickerson's Rangers.  He was given
200 acres of land in 1774 for his services.
In 1769, Botetourt County was formed from part of Augusta County.
Joseph Carpenter's family built Fort Carpenter near Covington in the 1740s.
Joseph served in the French and Indian War, was a surveyor of land patents, a
road supervisor, served on juries, and served in the American Revolution as a
patriot. (See: Evelyn Harlow Carpenter, "The Carpenters of Fort Carpenter";
Mattie Belle Carpenter Ross, "My Ancestry" (1974); the records of the
State library in Richmond, VA; records of Botetourt County in Fincastle, VA);
and Lyman Chalkley, "Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia,
Records of Augusta County, Virginia (Richmond, VA 1965) Vol. I, p. 116.

SEE: Carpenter and Related Family Historical Journal, Vol. 5, Winter 1994,
Number 8, page 519.  Article by Raymond George Carpenter proving lineage of the
VA Carpenters to the New York Carpenters.

NAME: John L. Carpenter of NH indicates that Joseph's middle name was
"Covington."  Other records show it as "Cole" or "Coles." However, no proof was
given anywhere of a middle name. A middle name once was added to distinguish him from another Joseph (IE by location) and it some how stuck.  Go figure.

MARRIAGE: bef 29 Nov 1751.  On that date Joseph was made legal guardian of
Judith Scott's three children.  She was the widow of John Scott.

BOOK: See page 15 (for notes) of the Mowrey 1997 book. See book information
below:
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH
ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH
CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
!Page 35; Researching the Virginia / West Virginia Carpenters is a frustrating
undertaking. These were hardy, adventuresome pioneers who were subject to the
rigors of survival and too preoccupied with fighting Indians, wild animals and
the elements of nature to pursue the refinements of civilization such as
education, law, et cetera, to leave much in the way of written legacy. Census
information and other vital statistics including birth, death, marriage and
military are largely fragmentary or nonexistent.  Traditional testimony and
county histories are frequently conflicting and a preponderance of common given
names (particularly in the same generation!) only adds to the confusion- yet
the effort must be extended if one is to know and success can be realized
through careful, objective and analytical examination of whatever data is
available. Such logical and conscientious reconstruction will accommodate any
previously unknown evidence, easily and without alteration.
 The pioneering Joseph (Coles) Carpenter first sojourned in the Big Bend
country of the Jackson River in the early spring of 1746 accompanied by his
good friend, neighbor and cousin, Peter Wright. They claimed "tomahawk rights"
to two large tracts of land then cleared patches of ground, made brush fences
and planted corn in preparation for their families relocation in the fall. A
traditional account has Joseph's family finding a young buffalo in the fields
upon their return and the "bill of fare" for the approaching winter was "steak
rather than corn pone". They survived by hunting and fishing and whatever they
could trade for with the Indians of the area.

(NOTE: See also: ANNALS of BATH COUNTY VIRGINIA, By OREN F. MORTON, B. Lit., Chapter XXV. The Families of Greater Bath, page 191. This gives a similar story and notice of another Joseph Carpenter who had been an indentured servant from England - not related to the first Joseph Carpenter.)

    Joseph was born about 1693 at Musketa Cove in New York Colony and died
before 1784 in Botetourt County, Virginia. He was a fourth generation
descendant of both the Providence, Rhode Island and the Rehoboth, Massachusetts
branches of the English Carpenter family in America. His line of descent was
Joseph (14) Carpenter,of Nathaniel (13), of Joseph (12), of William (11)
Carpenter of Providence, Rhode Island as per Raymond George Carpenter's updates
in The Carpenter and Related Family Historical Journal. Joseph (12) Carpenter
married Hannah (12) Carpenter, his second cousin. She was the daughter of
William (11) Carpenter of Rehoboth, Massachusetts who was a first cousin of
William 0 1) of Providence, Rhode Island.
   There were evidently four Carpenter settlements, all circa the early 1750's
and within thirty-five or so miles of each other. "Fort Carpenter", so-called,
was on the river. It was occupied by Joseph and his family- children, "mostly
grown and married before coming to Virginia". His wife, maiden name
undiscovered, was already deceased before the move to Virginia. Solomon
Carpenter had a homestead at Low Moor; Zophar Carpenter at Mallow and Nicholas
Carpenter at White Sulphur Springs.
   Solomon Carpenter was one of Joseph's older sons and Zophar Carpenter was
(page 36) Joseph's nephew (son of Joseph's brother, Robert). The relationship
of Nicholas Carpenter (if any) to the Jackson River Carpenters has not been
determined.
   Nicholas may have descended from German Carpenters (nee, Zimmerman) as did
another Nicholas and a Christopher Carpenter who settled in the northern part
of western Virginia at a little later date. More research is necessary to
identify Nicholas!
   Boutwell Dunlap, a genealogist of considerable note in the area of
Covington, said that Joseph (14) Carpenter had the following issues; Joseph,
Frances Elizabeth, Solomon, Hannah, William, Jeremiah, Thomas, Benjamin and
John in his writings in two books. He also thought that Joseph (14) had a
brother, Solomon, who came with him from New York to Virginia. Dunlap
speculated that Zophar might also be a son (14), but this was proven not to be
the case. Jeremiah and John may have been sons-in-law of Joseph (14); namely,
Jeremiah Seeley and John Mann. Jeremiah Seeley was almost assuredly the
"Jeremiah" who came to Virginia in 1748. William is not found in any original
source record such as court decisions, land transactions etc.
   Joseph (14) married Judith, the widow of John Scott, prior to 27 March 1752
when he was appointed guardian to her three young sons. Their names were John,
James and Benjamin. It is very likely that they were called "Carpenter" by name
and that some Carpenter lines are not Carpenter at all, but the descendants of
this John Scott!
Page 37: By 1752 several Carpenter families were pretty well established in the
vicinity of the Big Bend of the Jackson River from the present-day site of
Covington to White Sulphur Springs. Solomon (15) probably preceded his father,
Joseph (14), into the area by a couple of years- approximately 1744. Joseph
(14) arrived in 1746 as did his other children; Joseph (15), Thomas (15),
Nathaniel (15) and Frances Elizabeth (15)with her husband, John Mann. Hannah
(15) and her husband, Jeremiah Seeley, came in 1748. Nicholas (relationship
undetermined), his wife, Kate (maiden name unknown) and two young sons passed
through the Carpenter settlements seeking land for himself about 1748 also.
Zophar (15) Carpenter (nephew of Joseph (14) and his family (little has been
found on this group) were the last to relocate at Mallow in 1752.
   The Carpenters lived in relative peace on their farms until the middle of
September 1756. There were the usual activities in firming up their homesteads
such as construction, clearing land, cultivating and harvesting. Food supplies
were supplemented by hunting, fishing and trapping. Trade and occasional
contact with the (Page 38) Indians was common and uneventful. The Augusta Court
summoned Joseph (Jr.) (14) on August 21, 1755 for selling munitions to the
Indians and found him guilty, although his punishment is not made clear. "Fort
Carpenter" was moved to higher ground at least once during this time period
because of flooding and Joseph (14) married again.

(NOTE:
BOOK:  ANNALS of BATH COUNTY VIRGINIA, By OREN F. MORTON, B. Lit.,
Of the Indian raids into Bath, the earliest we can locate took place near the middle of September, 1756. Within or very near the present county limits, and mainly along Jackson's River, nine men, one woman, and three children were killed, and two men were wounded. Among the slain were Ensign Humphrey Madison, John Byrd, Nicholas Carpenter, James Mayse, and James Montgomery. Joseph Carpenter, David Galloway, and a Mrs. McConnell were captured, but got away. Mrs. Byrd, Mrs. George Kincaid, Mrs. Persinger, and 25 boys and girls were taken to the Indian towns in Ohio. Among the children were six Byrds, five Carpenters, and two Persingers.)

Page 43: There weren't many Indians in the area when Joseph (Sr.)(13) made the
first settlement west of the Cowpasture River in Virginia. They were woodland
Indians; Mingo and Delaware and other families of the Shawnee. The area that
Joseph chose on the big bend of the Jackson River was considered part of their
hunting grounds and the mineral spring some thirty-five miles away was almost a
holy place. They did frequent the region on occasion for therapy for a myriad
of infirmities and to hunt. No great note was made of the first few
frontiersmen and settlers but as the encroachment increased they became alarmed
and, agitated by both the British and the French, hostile. With the beginning
of the French and Indian War, forays into the border regions of Virginia
increased. Homesteads in the outlying regions were raided, cabins were burned,
occupants were killed and scalped or taken prisoner for adoption into the
tribe, ransom or later torture and death. The following is a traditional
account of the mid-September Indian attack at Fort Carpenter on the Jackson
River.
   The Carpenters had a fort or at least a very strong log house that was used
as a fort to protect them from the Indians when they first settled on the
Jackson River. It was about 16 by 20 feet and built something like a blockhouse
with a huge sleeping loft extending out over all four of the walls. Openings
were left in the chinks of the gable logs and holes drilled in the floors of
the overhang so the Carpenters could shoot out or down at Indians trying to
burn them out. There were two small windows or openings at either end of the
house that could be shuttered from the inside. A huge fireplace and chimney
made out of ledge stones and mortared with clay and wood ashes was directly
across from the front door. The rocks in the chimney were stepped off on one
side to make a ladder to the loft. The doorway was only five foot tall so that
anyone entering would have to duck their head. The door was oak, six inches
thick and could be heavily barred with a log from the inside. It was sturdy as
possible.
   Some fifty or so Shawnee attacked the Carpenter fort when the French and
Indian War started. The settlers had been warned of a possible Indian intrusion
into the area and had gathered at the Carpenter cabin for mutual defense. The
house had been moved to higher ground because of flooding, and there was a
natural (Page 44) drainage ditch of sorts around it that had been converted
into an earthworks during previous threats. Several "shebangs" had been set up
in the yard to accommodate all of the people who had rallied there. Less than a
dozen men manned the fortifications.
   There were about twenty-five women and children in the compound. Most of
the crops had been harvested and stored. Many of the more able men were out
hunting to add to the food stores for winter. There had been no sign of
Indians. Perhaps the defenders were too relaxed. Children were playing in the
fields. Nicholas (Carpenter - relationship unknown) and his two sons,
unapprised of the danger, arrived seeking someone to assist with his harvest.
   Indians usually attack at dawn. The night had passed uneventfully, and it
was late morning. The Shawnee had used the darkness to get in as close to the
cabin as they could and were lying in the surrounding forest waiting for the
most opportune time to attack. There was some confusion- not panic- as the
battle began. Some men met the charge at the dirt wall. Others herded everyone
into the fort. The Indians came in from all directions.
    The skirmish didn't last long. Those who weren't killed or captured in the
initial charge could only hold their position for a few hours. The stone
chimney was pulled down leaving a huge opening in the wall where the fireplace
had been. Nine men were killed, scalped and their bodies mutilated. Nicholas
Carpenter was among them- the only Carpenter man killed! Stephen Sewell, James
Mayse, James Montgomery, Nicholas Nutt, John Byrd, George Kincaid, a man named
Boyle and another named Fry were the other defenders killed. Everyone else,
including Joseph (14) Carpenter, was taken prisoner. Several children named
Byrd, five children called Carpenter and two Persinger children were among the
fifteen abducted by the Indians.
    The captives were linked chain gang fashioned by ropes in four groups and
forced marched the rest of that day toward the Great Kanawah that would take
them west to Ohio country. Joseph (14) Carpenter supposedly escaped the second
night that the group camped. He had hidden a small pen knife in his hair,
managed to free himself and slip away under the cover of darkness. Some will
say that he bargained for his release (he had been tried and convicted of
selling guns, powder and shot to some Indians about a year previously), but by
the time he got back to the scene of the slaughter and rounded up a posse of
men, including some sons, it was too late to pursue the rapidly moving red men.
They had more than a two day head start.
   A few of these captives were eventually repatriated during Colonel Boquet's
expedition into Ohio for that purpose in 1764. Jeremiah (16) and his brother
Solomon (16) Carpenter were among those so released. Most of them were never
heard of again, having been adopted into the tribes as sons and replacements
for fallen warriors as well as wives for the braves. Some may have been sold to
other Indians Page 45) and some were surely killed. For most, their fate
remains forever unknown!

MARRIAGE:  Third Marriage to Damis Smith?  See E-Mail forwarded below.
On Thu, 27 Aug 1998 John L. Carpenter writes:
John,  Every since I have been researching the Carpenter's it says that
his wife probably died before he came to Virginia, name unknown. Later word of
mouth history, kept saying that the name of Damis was associated with his
wife. But no one knew just how. They assumed it was a surname. And I also
thought that might be the case. I searched for Damis in all states, and found
none.  Then in  the Scotch-Irish Chronicles I found where my John Mann's son,
John Mann, Jr.  had married to Damis (_____) and she later married Joseph
Carpenter.
So there is the name of Damis that was connected with Joseph's unknown wife in
New York.  But since this Damis married John Carpenter in ?Virginia and not in
New York,  then he still must have a wife un-named who died in New York. Or
they married  in New York and removed to Va. after. ???
1   John Mann, Jr. b: 1725 in Ireland  d: 10 Oct 1774
+Damis Unknown  m: in Botetourt Co. Va.
The only question here is since John died in 1774, they must have
divorced.  Since he is not dead. His father John Mann, Sr. died 28 May 1749 do
not think  she would have waited 15 yrs. to remarry so it must be a marriage to
John  Mann, Jr.   20 Nov. 1764; John Mann, wife Damis, relinguished of dower.
Damis now married  to Joseph Carpenter.  John Mann, Sr. married Francis
Elizabeth Carpenter, his first cousin, their daughter, Elizabeth Mann,
married my Jeremiah Carpenter of Braxton Co. WV.
Until we can find something to change the Scotch-Irish Chronicles then we must
say Damis was the wife of Joseph Carenter, Sr. and fist wife of John Mann, Sr.
In the Early New York Marriages I found this Joseph Carpenter  &
Darkis Smith m: 27 May 1767 in New York, perhaps someone copied the dates
wrong. and it was 1764 or 63, just guessing. But some descendants have
suggested that Damis's maiden name was Smith.  But they never
showed any sources. The name could have been Darkis or Damis, you know
how it gets mis-typed, or was hard to read, and this is what they put down.
But this again is just a theory until I find some more information if ever.
Been looking for 30 years, but never had the net, and so much information
available before. Donna.

E-MAIL: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 From: "Paul & Lola Mowrey"
To: "John Carpenter"
Hey John,
   I have reviewed and corrected the offerings of virtually all of the better
known, present day
Carpenter researchers at their request; however, your text file on the
descendents of
Joseph Carpenter of the Jackson River is rather voluminious (767 pages with
index
according to my printer) so that I must decline an immediate overview at this
time.
Genealogy is but one of my sundry avocations. I skimmed it as soon as it was
printed and
promise to comment on it in the future as time and circumstances permit. The
mundane
tasks of everyday living are my present preoccupations. I am currently cutting
firewood for
the coming winiter. Being a die- hard conservative, I refuse to pay the
ridiculous prices for
gas and fuel oil that are anticipatied for the approaching year.
   I do not edit for Terry Lee Carpenter or Richard Llewellyn Carpenter. They
really don't
need it. Both are only interested in the truth- whatever that might be. Their
personalities are
quite different, but both are outstanding researchers and gentlemen in my
humble
estimation. I would like to think that I have contributed as much to their line
of thinking as
they have to mine. We differ but will alter our point of view upon the
presentation of original
source evidence to the contrary.
   Anyone would be well advised to pay attention to these two! They are not
infallible. Do yo
know anyone who is? I can personally assure you that when in doubt they check
it out by
returning to the original source rather than plagerized repetitions of old
erroneous
conclusions of people who make up the history of our Carpenter progenitors as
they
proceed to fit their preconceptions rather than pursue the quest for truth and
objectivity.
   I shall make some general observations that you should not percieve
adversely or
negatively. They are not tendered to be that way. One's "agenda" is of small
consequence
to me. If anything I say is helpful to you, I'm glad. If you choose to totally
disregard this
missive, so be it. Advice is always free.
   Your report has to be very confusing to most ordinary people who are
interested in
researching the Carpenters. The average person has difficulty in sorting things
out when
there are so many diverse choices. I can't really see how this could be
remedied
considering what you are attempting to accomplish but fell that you need to be
aware of the
obvious situation.
   Some of your major contributors are very prone to method error. I am not
questioning
their sincerity, effort or intentions, but if one commences with a flawed
premise, then
anything that follows is also flawed. To repeat a priven mistake numerous times
does not
make it a fact. To illustrate: If anyone can show me a middle name for Joseph
Carpenter of
the Jackson River, I will be very shocked, but appreciative. I have never found
any!
   Many of the sources quoted in your work are not very reliable. De Hass,
Sutton, House,
Bishop and others of their ilk are interesting and good for starting points,
but not very
factual. Does literary license permit excessive liberalism of fact and
repetition of proven
mistakes? I think not. These books aren't Bibles!
   Here are just a few of the things that we do not know. Someone has yet to
prove them.
We cannot prove that Joseph of the Jackson River is connected to the English
Carpenters
of New York. Neither can we prove many of his children as listed by Boutwell
Dunlap. We
have not proven that Solomon was a son of Joseph. He could have been a brother.
The
North Carolina Carpenters cannot be traced to Joseph. That hasn't been proven
despite
what you or I or anybody else thinks.With all due respect to Raymond George and
James
Ausie Carpenter, I am becoming more and more convinced that they have not
proven
lineage to Joseph Carpenter of the Jackson River! Anyone of us should be able
to write a
small book on just the things that we don't know or can't prove about this huge
and much
discussed extended family.
   We can prove Jeremiah Carpenter's parents (Chalkley's records). We can
prove that
Solomon was in what is now Hampshire County, West Virginia before Joseph (came
to the
Jackson River Solomon' marriage). We can prove Solomon's wife (will of William
Hughes).
We can prove the name of Jeremiah Carpenter's wife, Elizabeth Hamm (Alderson's
marriage
book/Virginia Archives). We can prove, without question, all of Jeremiah
Carpenter and
Elizabeth Hamm's children (Braxton County, West Virginia deed books). All of
the deeds
relating to the Partition of 1845 will hold up in any court of law. We can
prove that there was
one, and only one, Jeremiah Carpenter of the proper age and circumstance in
this period of
history to be our Jeremiah of Braxton County. Only he was captured by the
Shawnee,
remained a prisoner of them for several years and was later repatriated
(Colonel Henry
Bouguet's Papers, library, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan). Read
them for
yourself. They were returned from England in1956! Do not be misled.
   If there were more than one Jeremiah of the proper age and circumstance to
be our
Jeremiah of Braxton County, then why is the Jeremiah (and Solomon) who was
captured by
the Indains in mid-September of 1756 in the attack of so-called Fort Carpenter
and released
at Fort Pitt in 1764/65, ignored. Let's have some proof.
   Jeremiah said that he was 12 years old (born 1752 or 1753 at the latest,
depending on
the month and day of his birth). Did he lie? Half of the people who were taken
prisoner in
1756 (original list of casualties and captives, circa 1757) were released by
Bouquet's
expedition into Ohio. Is this mere coincidence? Are some Carpenter tree
climbers
experiencing denial symptoms? Sorry- I had to say that. Please forgive?
   I love oral tradition. My family has hundreds of stories handed down from
ancestors-
Mowrey, Carpenter and others. Most of these can be verified by fact; however,
some are so
ludicrous that they shouldn't be repeated! Virginia (Carpenter) Nine, a mutual
cousin of the
wife and me and a granddaughter of Squirrely Bill said it best, "Not all B.S.
degrees are
earned in college". She wasn't referring to Bachelors of Science. We all must
strive to
separate fact from fiction. Someone still has to prove to me that a William,
brother or
cousin of my Jeremiah, ever existed.
The German Carpenters (nee, Zimmerman) are giving me fits; however, Terry,
Dick, I and hopefully many others are working diligently to resolve these
problems. Hopefully, I can clarify or eliminate some of the other minor
discrepencies in your treatise at a future time.
Take care,     Paul.

E-MAIL: From: "Deb Wake"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Fw: Joseph Coles Carpenter Going from NY to VA
> ...
> Send her to:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~chalkley/  volume 1
> It would appear that her Carpenters were in Augusta Co VA for at least a while:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~chalkley/volume_1/or10_130.htm
> Court Order Book X
> pages 130-133 16 September 1766 through 23 March 1767
> lists Carpenter surveyors in Fort Defiance to Handley's Mill
> page 130:
> NOVEMBER 19, 1766.
> (339) Road to be viewed from Wm. Elliott's to McCutcheon's Mill, thence
> thro' Buffalo Gap.
> (340) Joseph Carpenter, Sr., and Wm. Whooley appointed road surveyors from
> Fort Defiance to Handley's Mill, with these workers and their tithables:
> Peter Wright, Solomon, Thomas, Nathaniel Carpenter, John Umphries, Thos.
> Carpenter, Zopher Carpenter, Ezekiel Johnston, Edward and John McMullin,
> James Williams, Joseph Leeper, John Fieler, William Christian and Peter
> Whooley, Wm. McMurry, Thos. Wright, Rob. Galesby, Pat. Corrigan and Joseph
> Carpenter, Jr.
> (340) Wm. Herbert, gent., qualified administrator of Robert Andrew. George
> Forbes, appraiser.
> (341) Hannah Hoffman, a witness about to remove out of Colony.
> (342) Hook vs. John Ritchie.--Defendant delivered up to Sheriff.
> Deb Wake
> Richmond, VA
> swake@earthlink.net
> researching Zimmerman/ Carpenter in Rockingham Co VA

http://genealogytrails.com/vir/alleghany/history.html
Alleghany County A Centennial History of Alleghany County, Virginia By Oren F. Morton, B., Lit. Dayton, Virginia, J. K. Reubush Company 1923 Transcribed by N. Piper and K. Torp for Genealogy Trails ...
When did the very earliest settlers come into the Alleghany area? It is possible to give a very close answer. Alexander Dunlap located near the site of Goshen about 1742. We are told he was the earliest settler on the Great Calfpasture, and that no one had yet located any father west. A few men had cabins on the Cowpasture in 1745. These settlers came in 1744, possibly in 1743. Joseph Carpenter came with Peter Wright from New York in the spring of 1746. We have no knowledge of any earlier permanent settlers on the lower course of Jackson's River. A number of homeseekers came in 1746, or very shortly afterward, and when the Indian war of 1754 broke out, there was quite a settlement on Jackson's River within the Alleghany area and on the lower course of Dunlap Creek. ...
The long survey of 782 acres taken by Joseph Carpenter began very near the railroad bridge at the south border of Covington, and extended down the river so as to include the ben beginning near the mouth of Potts Creek. The Carpenter holdings also took in the fine bottom on the south side of the railroad at Mallow Station. In 1764 the pioneer divided 464 acres equally between his sons, Joseph, Jr., and Solomon, each paying a consideration of ten pounds. But in 1773 Solomon sold 160 acres to his brother-in-law, John Mann, for 130 pounds. A year earlier this piece had been purchased at public sale by William Hughart for ninety pounds ($300). John Mann had already bought 230 in 1762 for seventy pounds. Jeremiah Seeley, another son-in-law, took a survey of 100 acres at the mouth of Dry Run in 1754. But Seeley left the neighborhood during the Indian war and the land was patented by Peter Wright. ...
The following particulars are from some of the early deeds recorded in Botetourt. Dennis Callaghan bought of Hugh McDonald and Mary, his wife, seventy acres on Ugly, surveyed 1773. Price, 100 pounds. Michael Cairns from Bedford bought of Jeremiah Seeley and Hannah, his wife, for 350 pounds, fourteen acres of the homestead adjoining Robert Shanklin, 1771. The high price is because of depreciated paper money. Jeremiah Carpenter of Greenbrier, for 300 pounds, bought of Moses Mann, son of John, deceased, and Fanny, wife of Moses, 160 acres, 1779. Thomas Carpenter bought of William P. Martin of Halifax county 115 acres on Potts Creek, 1787 for 100 pounds. In 1787 John Craig gave power of attorney to Moses Mann to sell his half interest in a place on Brush Creek, a branch of Dunlap. The other half interest belonged to Joseph Hunter, a tory. John Dickenson of Augusta bought of Jeremiah and Hannah Seeley, 1772, 200 acres on Falling Spring Run for 100 pounds. James Elliott bought of William Mann and Jean his wife, 1773, for fifty-five pounds, forty-nine acres on Jackson's River below the mouth of Back Creek. David Glassburn bought of Thomas Carpenter, 1784, fifty acres on Jackson's River for 100 pounds. William Griffith bought of James Milligan and Elizabeth his wife, 1776, for 103 pounds, forty-four acres on the Cowpasture, patented 1767. Aron Hughes bought of William Gillespie and Mary his wife, 1780, for 10,000 pounds (depreciated money), 320 acres on the Cowpasture. Andrew Kincade bought of William Hamilton of Grenbrier, 1780, for 400 pounds, 283 acres on Jackson's River. William Kincade bought of Andrew Kincade and Mary his wife, 1785, for 200 pounds, 110 acres of Jackson's River. William Larence bought of James Robison and Elizabeth his wife, 1775, ninety-five acres on west side Camp Mountain for ninety-five pounds. Michael Mallow bought of Zopher Carpenter and Mary his wife and David Glassburn and Elizabeth his wife, 1789, 130 acres on north side Jackson's River for 275 pounds. ...
We next mention the land patents in the Alleghany area granted prior to 1770. Names of patentee, position, acreage, and date of patent are given in consecutive order. Abercromby, Robert - East side Jackson's River at mouth Falling Spring - 320 - 1760. Armstrong, Archibald - Jackson's River - 254 - 1760 Armstrong, Robert - Jackson's River - 270 - 1760. Beard, James - NW side lower Pasture river - 24 - 1763. Carpenter, Joseph - Jackson's River - 782 - 1750. Carpenter, Zopher - NW side Jackson's River - 135 - 1763 ...
In 1762 the Carpenter brothers were credited four shillings (sixty-seven cents) a pound for their beaver skins. To make and nail 100 clapboards cost $1.46 in our money in 1767.
...
Chapter V TWENTY YEARS OF INDIAN TROUBLE ...
Carpenter's fort was probably no more than a fortified house. It stood on a low bluff near the mouth of Potts Creek. The abundance of arrowheads and the fine specimens of stone implements found in the vicinity indicate a flint quarry, or more probably an aboriginal village. But according to Hugh Paul Taylor, who should be excellent authority, another Carpenter's fort stood on the bottom at Low Moor that was afterward the Karnes place. At the McKinney farm on the Cowpasture is a remnant of a fortified stone(?) house. On the bluff above the mill of McAlllister and Bell at Coavington was a blockhouse, which is distinctly remembered by John W. Bell. ...
In its session of August 21, 1755, the Augusta court summoned Joseph Carpenter to answer the charge of selling ammunition to the Indians. He replied that he did not know the natives he thus supplied were hostile. Yet within one month, Captain John Dickinson had a "scrimmage" with nine Indians, killing one of them and losing one of his own force. This collision probably took place on the Greenbrier. If we follow the document known as the Preston Register- and its authority is very high-the most destructive raid upon Jackson's River occurred near the middle of September, 1756. On the 11th or 12th of that month, Ensign Madison was killed, probably near Fort Dinwiddie, which stood northwest of Warm Springs. Two days later, nine persons were killed. These were Nicholas Carpenter, Stephen Sewell, James Mayse, James Montgomery, Nicholas Nutt, John Byrd, George Kincaid, Mr. Boyle, and a man named Fry. Joseph Swope and a man named Wilson were wounded. The captives were Mrs. Byrd and six children, Mrs. Kincaid and three children, Mrs. Persinger and two children, and five children of Charles Boyle; also a young son of Swope, and two boys named Brown. Joseph Carpenter, David Calloway, and Mr. McConnell, and a Carpenter boy were captured, but escaped. ...
According to the narrative by Taylor, three men, named Pitman, Swope, and Pack, were trapping beaver on New River. Here they detected a war party of fifty Delawares. The band divided, about twenty proceeding in the direction of Jackson's River, the others toward Catawba Creek. To give warning to the settlements, Swope and Pack ran in the latter direction and Pitman in the former. The first band came down Dunlap Creek, crossed Jackson's River above Fort Young, and went on by night to Solomon Carpenters' place on the Low Moor bottom, the blockhouse being in charge of a man named Brown. The attack was made in the daytime. All the white people were in the fields except two of Brown's sons, young Jeremiah Carpenter, and a woman. The three boys were captured. Brown carried the news to Fort Young, but as only a few men were there, a messenger hurried to Fort Dinwiddie, where Captain Audley Paul was stationed. That officer gave pursuit with twenty men, and on Indian Creek in Monroe he met Pitman, who had been running all night, and now joined the pursuers. The band that committed the havoc on Jackson's River was not overtaken. The other band, however, was found encamped at the mouth of Indian Creek. Paul and his men waited until daybreak and then fired a volley, not knowing the Indians had three prisoners. The attack would have had better success but for the impetuosity of a soldier named John McCollum, afterward killed in the battle of Point Pleasant. He yelled out, "Take steady aim and send them to hell." The Indians were thus given notice, and though several were killed most of them got away. A captive taken on the Roanoke was rescued, as was also Catharine Gum, a servant to Captain Paul. After this disaster, a council of war was advised that forty men be stationed at Fort Breckenridge. ...
Chapter VI BEFORE 1822 ...
This region seems to have been nearly free from tory disturbances, such as took place on the South Branch to the northward or in Montgomery county to the southward. In fact, the only exception of which we have documentary knowledge is related by Colonel George Skillern, whose plantation was about two miles above Buchanan. In a letter to the governor of Virginia, dated June 26,1781, he states that about four years earlier, Captain Lapsley had taken Solomon Carpenter and Samuel Lyons as recruits, telling them they were to have three and one-half shilling a day as members of General Washington's bodyguard. On their arrival at army headquarters in New Jersey, the men found this representation untrue. They then deserted, came home, and hid in the mountains. At the date of the letter it was supposed there were forty to fifty of the refugees. Attempts to disperse them and capture their leader had failed. Carpenter and Lyons came to Skillern's house under a flag, offering to serve two years in the militia, subject to call, or to join George Rogers Clark for two years. Skillern recommends that the terms be accepted. Carpenter, a bold, daring, active man, had lived among the Indians, and intimated that if his proposition was not accepted he would go back to them. His comrades were active woodsmen, well armed with rifles, and might be a source of danger. The writer adds that there were parties of tories and deserters in the counties of Montgomery and Washington, and that they were probably in correspondence with one another. ...
Items from the order-books of Botetourt, in 1770-1780, are these: ...
Thomas Carpenter recommended as ensign, 1779.


Frances Elizabeth Dames

NAME: Possibly "Francis Elizabeth Dames" per the Carpenter and Related Family
Historical Journal, Vol. 5, Winter 1994, Number 8, page 519.
Per AF: "Elizabeth".


233. Thomas Carpenter

SEE NOTE BELOW.  The information in the next paragraph MIGHT indicate a mixing
of 2 Thomas Carpenters;
Thomas served in Captain William Preston's Company of Rangers in 1759 or
earlier during the French and Indian Wars.  He probably was living in Augusta
(Boteourt) County, VA in 1755 where his son was born.  There is a Land Bounty
in 1759 in Amherst County for what is believed to be for service in the French
and Indian War 1759 or earlier than 1756 in Botetourt (then Augusta) County.
In 1765, August 21, Thomas Carpenter bought land in Amherst County, Virginia.
In 1773 he sold property to Samuel Woods in Amherst County. Thomas carpenter to
James Carpenter and d. (G. p. 177) Amherst County.
He was a Patriot.  Thomas Carpenter signed the Pettition of Dissenters of
Albemarle, Rockingham and Amherst Counties, Virginia on Oct. 25, 1776.
To Thomas Carpenter for 136 pounds of bacon, pr. cert. if. on Januaray 12,
1781.  Militia on duty.  Five pounds 25 shillings teste William E. Sandidge,
clerk, with seal.
SEE: Deeds, Amherst County, VA, Courthouse; Judge Lyman Chalkey's records of
Augusta County, VA, Vol. 1,2,3, page 272; Kegley's Virginia Frontier;
letters--Hope Mathews and Richard Charles Carpenter.
NOTE: Terry Lee Carpenter, of San Antonio, TX (Carpenters of the South)
indicates that Sudna (Sudney) was definately NOT a daughter of this Thomas.
(The Thomas, the son of Joseph (b. 1693).
He also states very clearly that Kegley's Virginia Frontier does not
support this Thomas being born Long Island, NY.  Terry Lee Carpenter indicates
that alot of confusion has arisen due to James Ausie Carpenter's Carpenter &
Related Family Historical Journal speculations on the ancestry of this family
line.   Until further research clarifies this line, take this Thomas's
descendantcy as very tenative.
SPECULATION: Did this Thomas (b. abt. 1713) have a son, Thomas (b. abt.
1729)?  Book note below helps this speculation.  Listed as this pending
clairification.
BOOK: See page 37 (for notes) and page 39 (cited below) of the Mowrey 1997
book.  See book information below:
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH
ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH
CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
Page 39: Children of Thomas Carpenter (15), of Joseph (14), of Nathaniel (13).
Thomas was married, but his wife and children are presently undiscovered. It is
possible that some Carpenter lines that trace their ancestry directly to Joseph
may eventually discover that they must first go through a son of Thomas and
Thomas to arrive there. Thomas was one of the older sons and could have been
born as early as 1713. Where there are few records and children die before
parents, there is much  speculation as to the actual line of descent-
particularly, in some Carpenter families.
Letter dated 25 Jan. 1998:  "John, perhaps Benjamin, sons of Thomas, Joseph's
oldest son, also lived there for nearly thirty years before moving on to
Indiana."  (..." removed to Green county, Kentucky at an undetermined date.")
Per Paul T. Mowrey.


236. Hannah Carpenter

She and her husband moved to Virginia in 1748.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Carpenter"
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Joseph m. DAME & SCOTT
Chalkley's Chronicles does not state that
Jeremiah Seeley married Hannah Carpenter in 1746.
What it does state is "Jeremiah Seely married
the daughter of Joseph Carpenter, lately of the
Province of New York.  Joseph, in 1746, and after
above marriage, moved to Jackson's River, where
he and most of his children, then unmarried,
settled.  Jeremiah came in 1748" -- this is on
page 339 of Chalkley's Chronicles, which can be
read at
.
There is disagreement in the original documents
as to the names of the sons of John Scott.  On 29
Nov 1751, Joseph Carpenter was appointed guardian
of James, Benjamin, and John Scot, orphans of
John Scot [Vol. III, p. 24(405)], but on 21 Nov
1764 Joseph Carpenter was cited as guardian of
Joseph, James, and Jacob Scott, orphans of John
Scott [Vol. I, p. 116(162)].  The only one cited
in both is James Scot(t).
Terry Carpenter


Jeremiah Seely

Jeremiah is probably a descendant of Captain Robert Seeley of Mass. and of
Hunington, Long Island, New York.


238. Jeremiah Carpenter Dr.

Jeremiah was a doctor and a Patriot.  He moved to Augusta County, Virginia in
1748 then removed to Greenbrier County.  He was a private in Captain John
Lewis's  Company, Botetourt County Regiment.

SEE: The Carpenter Family News-Journal, Dec. 1972, page 130; 1779 Jeremiah
Carpenter from Moses Mann Deed Book, 2, pages 430 and 431, Botetourt County
Deeds and Index; letter 9 Oct. 1983 by Richard Charles Carpenter.

BOOK: See page 36-37 of the Mowrey 1997 book. See book information
below:  This Jeremiah is not listed as child in that record.
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.


240. Benjamin Carpenter

NOTE: SEE below for WARNING on linkage to the New England Carpenters.
FAMILIES SPLIT - See RIN 5457 and RIN 127830.
Children moved to 127830.

BOOK: UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
Page 35; "Researching the Virginia / West Virginia Carpenters is a frustrating
undertaking."  And Y-DNA research is reporting some are Group 2 and many are Group 7. See the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project.
http://carpentercousins.com/

Benjamin was married twice. Once in 1770 to Mary then to Sarah. Sarah was
the second.  AF lists Sarah with 8 children (b. 1770 to 1780).
AF lists Mary with 2 children (1776 & 1778).  Children are duplicative.
"The Carpenter and Related Family Historical Journal" Vol. 5, Winter
1994/1995, Number 8, page 535-536, Article by Frank Masterson Carpenter
(born 1931) were used to clarify which child went to which family.
WILL: Will of Benjamin Carpenter, 1825, did not contain names of several
children, who probably were died before 1825.
On March 1, 1779 Benjamin Carpenter bought 140 acres from Samuel Woods and his
wife Mary Woods.  Was his wife Mary a Woods?
He was a Patriot.  He was drafted in 1781 and served in Amherst County, VA
Militia at Yorktown surrender of Cornwallis.
SEE: Shenandoah Valley in the Revolution by Boutwell Dunlap which puts this
Benjamin and Thomas in this family.  See: Deeds, Amherst County, VA,
Courthouse, page 318, BKE 1778-1785, Benjamin Carpenter and Ux, Sarey, A.C. to
James Littrell L40 70 acres on branch of Short Creek and joining Littrill
lines: Chiswell Witt: Abner Witt, Charles Endes, John Witt, Jr., in March of
1789 Benjamin Carpenter owned property near branches of Thresher's Creek and
near land of John T. Wilsford.

BOOK: See page 36-37 of the Mowrey 1997 book. See book information
below:  This Benjamin is not listed as child in that record.
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH
ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH
CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.

WARNING:
E-MAIL: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 From: Alton Carpenter
To: John Carpenter Hi John:
I have unwittingly published what I now believe to be
erroneous information concerning the origins of my ancestor Benjamin
Carpenter, of Amherst Co., Va..   I used information which I have traced
back to Raymond Carpenter in an article which was published in the
Carpenter and Related Family Journal.  I have examined all of the
available evidence and am in agreement with Terry L. Carpenter that
there is more information to declaim than to support the premise that
Benjamin was a member of the Joseph Carpenter family from New York.
Also, I believe, based upon his will, that my Benjamin had only one
wife, Mary (?), as his will states.  The first wife, Sarah, attributed
to him by prior historians was in truth the wife of the Benjamin who
died in Ill..  Eaton and Enoch were full brothers to my Hensley Sr..
As far as I can determine, my Benjamin arrived in America from England
while he was in his teens, resided in Queen and King Co., Va., and later
moved to Amherst Co.   Recollections of near kin of Austin Carpenter
recorded by Elsie (Drummond) Carpenter and other descendants of James,
although anecdotal, are weighted heavier than the unsupported
connections to the N.Y. Carpenters.
As soon as I correct a few dates, I will put revised files on my web
sites. I wanted to let you know this as early as possible so you can
consider changes in Carpenters 2000 release.  Please accept my apology
for any inconvenience this may have caused.   Again, thanks for your
help and participation.
Best Regards,  Alton D. Carpenter
MARRIAGE: The above E-MAIL indicates two Benjamin Carpenter families merged
together.  When further information comes forth they will be split.
JRC 9/2000.FAMILIES SPLIT - See RIN 5457 and RIN 127830 - 4/2009 JRC


Mary

AFN T7KP-3H (Mary) and MTLD-JM (Mary CARPENTER) are the same person.


241. Nathaniel Carpenter

BOOK: See page 37 #6 (for notes) of the Mowrey 1997 book. See book information
below:
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH
ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH
CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.  Per the book on page 37:
Nathaniel was a tithable in Botetourt county, VA in 1770 and 1771 and died
circa 1779 when his estate was inventoried in Botetourt county.  His father,
Joseph, had a brother named Nathaniel who had a will dated 17 Nov. 1758, but
not proven until 8 Dec. 1785 in Newcastle, New York.  The Nathaniel in
Virginia appears to be a son.  No family known.

NOTE: Not everyone is happy with the above, believing that this Nathaniel was
the son of Nathaniel, not Joseph.  jrc 1/98.


Judith

MARRIAGE2:  Joseph (14) married Judith, the widow of John Scott, prior to 27 March 1752
when he was appointed guardian to her three young sons. Their names were John (John Scott, Jr),
James and Benjamin. It is very likely that they were called "Carpenter" by name
and that some Carpenter lines are not Carpenter at all, but the descendants of
this John Scott!

Listed as Judith Scott, a widow in the AF.  She had 3 children by John Scott
and they were raised by her second husband who became their legal guardian.
  I received this msg from  Gordon on the Judith (______)
>Scott that married to Joseph Carpenter. Many have speculated
>that John Scott's children went by the name of Carpenter. I
>think this might expell this idea, since he says he descends
>from John Scotts son. I have heard others state that
>Juidth's maiden name might be Smith. I have Smith's in my
>West Va. family names, so it might be possible.
>Thanks again for thinking of me.
>I have trouble keeping you and John Carpenter R. Carpenter
>apart. Only way I know is the email address.
>JRCRIN001@HOME.com (@cox.net now)
>Need some kind of nickname to keep you seperated. Ha Ha.
>Donna
>
>
>
>            Re: Judith Smith Scott
>       Date:
>            Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:16:05 -0500
>      From:
>            abonnet@clarityconnect.com
>        To:
>            dtivener
> References:
>            1
>I have Judith Scott Carpenter's maiden name as Smith -- but
>no parents
>listed for her.  This is not documented in primary sources,
>so I can't
>speak to its correctness.  I've certainly never found any
>information
>about her which ties her to any known Smith family.
>
>I descend from her child John Scott Jr. who m. Catherine
>Hamilton, who
>went to Greene Co., PA.  They had a son John III who m.
>Susannah
>Nyswanger.  From there, it goes to Elias Scott m. Harriet
>Kent --> Hiram
>Scott m. Mary Iams --> Thomas Iams Scott m. Nancy Elizabeth
>Donahoo -->
>Bertha Viola Scott m. Alfred Joseph Bonnet --> Gordon Paul
>Bonnet Sr. m.
>Marguerite Bridget Ayo --> Gordon Paul Bonnet Jr. (me) m.
>Anne Marie
>Wahler.
>
>Thanks for the information you sent.  I will check out the
>Chalkley
>source and see what I can find.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Gordon  abonnet@clarityconnect.com
Here's what I know about John Scott and Judith Smith:

They had children John (b. 1748 in Rockfish Gap, Augusta Co., VA, m.
Catherine Hamilton), James, Judith, Jacob, Joseph, David, Abraham.  I
have no information on the other children, but I know that John Jr.
relocated to Greene Co., PA, with his wife Catherine Hamilton, where he
had ten children:  George, Robert (m. Mary Roseberry), James (b. 1774,
m. Mary Sellers), William (b. 1778 m. Elizabeth Lippencott), Mary (m.
Thomas Courtwright), John (m. Susannah Nyswanger, my line), Peggy (m. a
Roberts), Thomas, Nancy, and Cassie (m. Robert Stockdale).

Mike Mann reasearch:
William lived at Fort Home on Jackson River, Falling Springs, Va. He served in
Militia at Battle of Point Pleasant.
William Mann built a log structure (house) in 1761 in Falling Spring area near
the
Jackson River. It is the oldest structure in Alleghany County and is owned by
Rodney
Kyle. Covington Va. by Vance High, pulb. 4 Jul. 1976,
A William Mann served as a sgt. in the war. Moses Mann claimed his 200 acres
and
aslo 50 acres  a Thomas Mann was entilted to, as a soldier during the French &
Indian War.  Moses then assigned these acres to William HAMILTON. Thomas acres
were
warrant #1175.  Botetourt Co. Va. Court 1780 No. 581 awarded John , son of
Thomas
Carpenter and heir and son of Solomon Carpenter [this is how it is worded],
deceased
[Solomon] 50 acres of land.  John proved thru discharge papers that Solomon
Carpenter had served as a soldier in CPT Dickenson's Company of Rangers
1758-59.


77. Robert Carpenter

Number 33 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.  A miller and farmer.  1722 found in North Castle.

WILL: Will dated May 17, 1751 and proved May 7, 1751 per records. The dates
probably reversed.  Will mentions wife Mercy (Mary perbelow), children Jacob,
Zophar, Zenas, Barsilla, Bethial, Josiah and Rufus Carpenter.
The will was witnessed by Thomas Wright, Anthony Woodhouse, and Deliverance
Brown. Per New York Wills, No. 17, p.300.  SEE WILL DATA BELOW.
!MARRIAGE: Per St. George's Church Record.

WILL:
Re: Fw: carpenters Date: 1/19/99 5:40:21 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: dpowers@cmc.net (dpowers) To: JRCRIN001
John:  I have typed the will in order that it reads better.
LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT OF ROBERT CARPENTER
In the name of God Amen the Twenty fifth Day of February in the year of our
Lord one Thousand Seven Hundred and fifty or fifty one, I Robert Carpenter of
North Castle  in ye County of Westchester in ye provence of New York, yeoman
being very sick and weak in body but of perfect mind and memory Thanks be given
unto God therefore calling unto mind the Mortality of my body and knowing
that it is appointed for all men once to Dye, To make and ordain this my last
Will and Testament that is to say principaly and first of all I give and
recommend ye Soul into the Hand of God that gave it and for my body I Recommend
it to the Earth to be buried in a Christian like and
decent manner at the discretion of my Executors.  Nothing doubting but at the
general Resurrection I shall receive the same again by the Mighty power of God
and as touching such
worldly Estate wherewith it hath pleased god to bless me in this life I give
and devise and dispose of the same in the following manner and form:
IMPRIMIS  it is my will and I do Order that in the first place all my debts and
Funeral expenses be paid.
Item:  I give and bequeath unto Mary my dearly beloved wife Twenty pounds a
year to be paid her yearly out of my estate as long as she Continues my widow
and all ye whole use of my Dwelling house and one third part of the orchard
whereon I now live during her widowhood as first said and my will is that my
Estate keep her a horse and
a cow during the whole time of being my widow and my will is that if my wife
marreys that She Shall Carry and have all ye goods and Chattels that She
brought with her own proper Estate forever and Likewise my will is that
She Shall receive them into her hands and Care immediately after my Death.
Item:  I give to my beloved son Jacob Carpenter five pounds Currency out of my
Estate and Division.
Item:  I give to my well beloved Daughter Mary Carpenter One feather bed VIS:
with  a striped Cotton tick and a bollster and two pillows and two blankets and
a green Rug  and six  Silver Tea Spoons and a Silver Tumbler all out of my
Estate before Division.
Item:  I order and my will is that as soon as my widdow marreys or moves off
from ye AforeSaid house and orchard that all my farm Lands, houses, and mill be
sold at public venue and all the moneys so sold for to be Equally divided
between all my  children VIS: Jacob Carpenter, Zopher Carpenter, Berzillia
Carpenter, Bethel Carpenter,
Zeno Carpenter, Jarias Carpenter, Ruphas Carpenter and my Daughter Mary
Carpenter that is to  Say they shall every one of them have an Equal share as
they come to ye age
of Twenty One years.
Item:  My will is and I do order all my moveable Estate to be Sold within Ten
Days after my burial at public Vendue and all of ye money or sums of money that
my said or moveables is so sold for to be Equally divided amoungst all of my
Children when to age as above said, but if Either of they Dye before they
arrive to age
as above said then the whole Estate to be divided amoung all the rest of my
Children that is alive at ye time.
Item:  My will is and I do order my Estate to bring up my two youngst Children
VIS: Ruphas and Mary until such time as they are fit to be put to Trades.
Item:  I constitute, make, and ordain my well beloved wife and my two sons,
VIS: Jacob Carpenter and Zopher my Executors to this my Last Will and testament
and I do hereby utterly disallow and revoke and Disanull all Veill and every
other former testaments, wills,  legacys and Executors by me in any ways before
named, willed and bequeathed, ratified deed, confirming this and no other to be
my Last will and Testament In wittness whereof I have here unto signed, sealed
published and pronounced and declared  and seal ye day and year above written
by ye said Robert Carpenter as  his last will and testament before us the
subscribers.
Robert Carpenter /signed/
(Witnesses) Deliverance Brown, Anthony Woodhouse, Thomas Wright


Elizabeth Carpenter A Twin

Number 41 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.


245. Zenas or Zeno Carpenter

Number 96 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.


247. Bethial or Bethuel Carpenter

Number 98 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
1751 - Bethuel Carpenter was a witness to the sale of the Red Springs farm,
1751-1759.  See page 59.


250. Jairas Carpenter

Number 99 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
Probably died young.


251. Mary Carpenter

Number 101 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
Probably died young.


Mary or Mercy

NAME: Mary per Vide New York Wills, No. 17, p.300.