John Mac Carpenter updated this family line via e-mail March 2004.
Number 721-5 in the Timothy Carpenter book. Male not female!
NAME: Alva or Alvah.John Mac Carpenter updated this family line via e-mail March 2004.
CENSUS: 1880 United States Census
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
Alva CARPENTER Self M Female W 51 NY Lumber Dealer CT NY
Mary R. CARPENTER Wife M Female W 55 NY Keeping House MA CT
Celia M. CARPENTER Dau S Female W 19 NY At School --- ---
Mary A. CLUNAS Other S Female W 22 CAN Domestic Servant NY ---
Frank SMITH Other S Male W 19 NY Laborer NY NY
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Source Information:
Census Place District 1, Avon, Livingston, New York
Family History Library Film 1254858
NA Film Number T9-0858
Page Number 10C
John Mac Carpenter updated this family line via e-mail March 2004.
NAME: Edwin Y is sometimes refered to as Hiram or Horace.
CENSUS:
1880 United States Census
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
Edwin Y. ROYCE Self M Male W 54 NY Land Agent MA NY
Susan B. ROYCE Wife M Female W 51 NY House Keeper CT NY
Frank B. ROYCE Son S Male W 25 IL Farm Work NY NY
Margareth ROYCE Dau S Female W 21 WI NY NY
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Source Information:
Census Place Monroe, Butler, Iowa
Family History Library Film 1254330
NA Film Number T9-0330
Page Number 207C
Number 722-5 in the Timothy Carpenter book.
CENSUS: United States Census
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
John CARPENTER Self M Male W 49 NY Farmer NY NY
Moicia A. CARPENTER Wife M Female W 39 NH Keeping House NH NH
Louisa CARPENTER Dau S Female W 14 WI NY NH
Robert CARPENTER Son S Male W 12 WI NY NH
Roxania CARPENTER Dau S Female W 11 WI NY NH
Thomas ELLIS Other S Male W 26 IL Works On Farm ENG IL
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Census Place Genoa, Vernon, Wisconsin
Family History Library Film 1255449
NA Film Number T9-1449
Page Number 265BPer John Mac Carpenter ...
"John married in 1861 in Chatauqua county, NY, and that he and his wife almost immediately left for Vernon county, WI. I even have a copy of their marriage license along with family sheets ..."E-MAIL: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 From: John Carpenter
Carl, my grandfather, Alva Francis Carpenter, was born
in Genoa, Vernon county WI in 1863. He had two
younger brothers, Robert and John, and three younger
sisters, Louisa (married Van Vleet and stayed in WI),
Mary Roxanna (married Lorenzo Dow Fox and went to MS),
and Agnes (married J. O. Ferguson).
My greatgrandparents came directly from Harmony,
Chatauqua county, NY. John was born at Cameron,
Steuben county NY in 1834.
Don't know if this is a help or not, but I believe
that some of John's siblings and first cousins also
went to WI about the time he did (1861)E-MAIL: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 From: "John Mac Carpenter"
Thanks, John, I'm descended from this Timothy's son John, thru his son Alva
Francis, then Alva, then my brother Alva Francis and me. Timothy's son
Alvah was another Alva Francis whose wife was named Roxana. According to
family tradition AF was a physician in NYC. My grandfather, Alva Francis,
had a sister named Roxana, and also named his older daughter Roxana. That
was my aunt Sana, whose only granddaughter is Roxanne. You never know how
much tradition to trust. There's nearly always some truth in it so you
can't disregard it, but it changes drastically thru the years. If you would
fax Charles addenda to me at 915-336-3928, I'll copy it and add it to the
copies I had made. Chad was very nice and gave me permission to distribute
it as long as I don't make money on it. Seems to be very interested in
continuing his grandfather's work.
Another family tradition is that our grandfather went to Mexico with his
daughter Sana in about 1909 to look for an uncle of his who was a merchant
on the Santa Fe/Chihuahua trail and was last heard from in a small town
north of ciudad Chihuahua....no tradition as to first name, but there are a
lot of Carpinteros and Carpinteiros in northern Chihuahua from ciudad
Chihuahua to Juarez. They lived in Mobile AL at the time and took the train
to CA and back spending time in NM and Chihuahua and he bought a ranch in NM
and moved his family there the following year.
John Mac Carpenter.MORE:
From: "John Carpenter"
To: "John R. Carpenter"
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Carpenter Y-DNA testing
> John, I sent the DNA sample in and got notice today that it had been
> received. My first cousin once removed, Ancel Carpenter in San Diego called
> and said he had talked to you on the phone..............I guess it's time
> that I finally give you some data on our branch.
> You're right that he and I are from the Timothy branch. The most recent
> ancestor of ours listed in Charles Lorain Carpenter's book on the
> Descendants of Timothy Carpenter was John Carpenter, 722-5, b. 1833,
> Cameron, Steuben county, NY, on page 99 of the book. From reading back we
> are descended from two of Timothy's sons, Isaac II and Josiah.
> In any case, the data sheets that I can't find in my ultra neat office, tell
> us that John married in 1861 in Chatauqua county, NY, and that he and his
> wife almost immediately left for Vernon county, WI. I even have a copy of
> their marriage license along with family sheets.......somewhere in this very
> room. His first son, Alva Francis, was named for his older brother, given
> as Alvah in Charles Lorain's book. Alva Francis, or Frank, was my
> grandfather. He was born in Vernon county, WI, in I think 1863, after John
> had completed his service in the Union army. Frank left home young, worked
> on the railroad, met William Cody, settled in AL, where he married my
> grandmother, Emily Virginia Wiggins of Monroe County, AL. They had 8
> children, all born in AL,
> Mary Roxanna, named for an aunt, Mrs Alva Francis Carpenter (according to
> tradition) who later married Lorenzo Dow Fox and ended up in Biloxi MS,
> married Joe Williams, a geologist from VA.
> Fidelia, who married first Lender Mobley (yes, a cousin of some sort to Mary
> Ann Mobley)
> Felicia May, who married Newton Jack (or Jackson) Edwards from SC
> Clarence Calloway, Ancel's grandfather, married Maud Davis.
> Alice Buna, married Walter Johnson
> Robert Clyde, married Edna ?, quarter mountain Crow
> Alva Carpenter, my father, married Ocie Velma McElhannon
> Ancel Carpenter, for whom Ancel the younger is named.
> All of them except Robert Clyde and Ancel had children and have descendants
> who I know today.
> Uncle Clarence probably has the largest number of descendants living since
> his son, Rayford, Ancel's father, married several times and had at least 11
> children, of whom Ancel is the second oldest.
> Frank and Emily Carpenter left Mobile AL in 1910 for the territory of NM.
> He owned and operated sawmills in AL and while he and his oldest daughter,
> Mary Roxana (Sana) were on a trip to Ciudad Chihuahua and to California in
> 1909 the land he had planned to harvest the timber from next, near
> Citronelle, AL, burned. He was supposedly in search of an uncle of his who
> was a storekeeper in a small town in Mexico a bit to the norht of Ciudad
> Chihuahua. I don't know which side of his family the uncle was on.......if
> he were a Carpenter, it would probably be Uriah, b.1842 at Cameron, Steuben
> county, NY, since the only other uncle was Alvah for whom he was named and
> according to family tradition, a medical doctor in NYC.
> I don't have the dates on these people, or rather can't find them. But Aunt
> Sana, the oldest, was about 20 when they moved to NM and she and Fidelia
> both had a couple of years in normal schools and taught school for a while.
> All of them married and lived in NM at least at first. Mary Roxana and Joe
> Williams wound up living in Palacios TX, on a small farm that Frank and
> Emily had built for retirement because they missed the coast. Fidelia lived
> near Anthony, NM, until she died young. Felicia and Newton lived on a farm
> near Anthony until they got too frail to stay there and they moved to
> Glenwood NM where their older son lived.
> Clarence Calloway ranched on part of Frank and Emily's ranch north west of
> Deming, sold that, moved to El Paso and then to AR, where I think he died.
> Except for Fidelia I knew him less than the others.
> Alice Buna and Walter Johnson lived on a farm north of Las Cruces NM, where
> I think a granddaughter still lives.
> Robert Clyde (Uncle Clyde) worked in dam construction all over the US
> including one in the early '60's built near Niagara Falls.
> Alva inherited the farmhouse his parents lived in near Anthony along with
> partt of the farm. My brother and I along with most of our first cousins,
> were born in that house, and I always reminded my cousins who remained in NM
> that the farm is on the east bank of the Rio Grande, therefore within the
> bounds of the Republic of Texas. He sold it when I was almost a year old
> and we moved to Texas. My brother and I both live in Ft Stockton TX where
> Daddy is buried.
> Ancel also moved to Texas about the same time Alva did, farmed there, then
> sold most of his property and moved back to the part of his parents' farm
> that he had inherited where he died in the 60's.
> All of them except for Alva are buried in the Masonic Cemetary on Compress
> RD in Las Cruces NM as are Frank and Emily.
> As far as dates are concerned, the only exact ones I can give are that Alva,
> my father, was born in AL on 8 June, 1900. He died on 4 July 1974 in Pecos
> county TX. He and Mama were married, I assume since they said they were, in
> the winter of 1934/35. I haven't managed to find a record of it, so if I
> ever apply to any ancestral organizations I'll have to rely on Mama's will
> and census reports.
> Ancel's father was born in AL, Rayford Calloway Carpenter in 1920.
> My brother, another Alva Francis (Frank) was born 13 June, 1936 and I was
> born 10 January, 1938. Both of us were born in Dona Ana county, NM, near
> Anthony.
> John, as soon as I find the sheets I'll mail them to you.
>
> I was first told that I'm descended in the male line from William of
> Providence, though his second son, Joseph,who was a founder of Glen Cove,
> NY, changing the name from Musketo Cove (obviously a real estate man), who
> married Hannah, daughter of William of Rehoboth.
> Today I found a web site, which I am attaching which gives Timothy of
> Pittstown, Renssalaer county NY as a male line descendant of William of
> Rehoboth. I'm hoping that there is hard data somewhere to tell me which is
> correct and that the DNA test will bear it out. Is the DNA exact enough to
> tell which William is the male line ancester since they were cousins of some
> sort?
>
> I apologize on the ragged information I'm giving you here. I'm not an
> expert genealogist by any means but am skilled enough to know that I should
> give you more.
> Any help you can give me and Ancel will be greatly appreciated and when and
> if I find the sheets around here I'll copy them and send them to you.
NAME: Moicia A. in 1880 US Census.
Not found in the 1880 census.
CENSUS: 1880 United States Census
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
Mary J. YOST Self M Female W 44 NY Keeping House NY NY
Hattie D. YOST Dau S Female W 21 NY At Home NY NY
Frana M. YOST Dau S Female W 19 NY At Home NY NY
Mary M. YOST Dau S Female W 11 NY At School NY NY
Nicholas YOST Son S Male W 10 NY At School NY NY
Harlo C. YOST Son S Male W 8 NY At School NY NY
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Source Information:
Census Place Dundee, Yates, New York
Family History Library Film 1254949
NA Film Number T9-0949
Page Number 527C
Not found in the 1880 US Census as Edwin Yost.
Not found in the 1880 US Census. I found one Charles b. abt 1867 but ... see below.
1880 United States Census
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
David YOST Self M Male W 54 SWI Laborer SWI SWI
Mary YOST Wife M Female W 49 SWI Keeping House SWI SWI
Jacob YOST Son S Male W 19 NY Works In Skin Mill SWI SWI
Charles YOST Son S Male W 13 NY Attend'G School SWI SWI
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Source Information:
Census Place Johnstown, Fulton, New York
Family History Library Film 1254834
NA Film Number T9-0834
Page Number 153B
Number 723-5 in the Timothy Carpenter book.
CENSUS: 1880 United States Census
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
Oliver P. BRINK Self M Male W 54 NY Laborer NY NY
Jane BRINK Wife M Female W 45 NY Keeping House NY NY
George A. BRINK Son S Male W 12 NY At Home NY NY
Henry PARKER Other S Male W 23 NY Laborer NY NY
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Source Information:
Census Place Eldred, Mckean, Pennsylvania
Family History Library Film 1255154
NA Film Number T9-1154
Page Number 266B
Number 725-5 in the Timothy Carpenter book.
One record gives the name as "Mariah", but the above will be used by the above
compiler (of T.C. book) until proven otherwise.CENSUS: 1880 United States Census
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
Uriah CARPENTER Self M Male W 39 NY Farmer NY NY
Francis CARPENTER Wife M Female W 37 NY Keeping House NY NY
Edwin CARPENTER Son S Male W 16 NY At Home NY NY
Charles CARPENTER Son S Male W 12 NY At Home NY NY
Nellie CARPENTER Dau S Female W 7 NY At Home NY NY
Deette CRAUSE Other S Female W 16 NY Servant NY NY
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Source Information:
Census Place Cameron, Steuben, New York
Family History Library Film 1254932
NA Film Number T9-0932
Page Number 465D
Number 501-5 in the Timothy Carpenter book.
Jesse was living in Cleveland,OH in 1906. He also purchased his mother's
plot the day she died.
Elsie died in her early thirties.
Number 502-5 in the Timothy Carpenter book.
Israel and his family are mentioned in various Harmony Twp. census records,
beginning in 1880. Daughter Leora reported her parents celebrated their golden
(50th) wedding anniversary in 1917. One record gave, in error, different death
dates than the correct ones given in this record.
Number 1002 in the Timothy Carpenter book.
Number 1003-6 in the Timothy Carpenter book.
Jonathan moved to Washington state in 1910. He and Alice had no children to
each other. She was the daughter of Robert and Anne (Hale) Lopus and was an
aunt to Jonathan by her previous marriage to Isaac. She ultimately left
Jonathan, but he reportedly took care of her in her latter days. Alice's first
husband, Isaac, was the son of Silas (152) and Lydia (Hoag) Carpenter.
Alice divorced Isaac when he returned to NY state from the west and
married his nephew, Jonathan.
Number 506-5 in the Timothy Carpenter book.
Isaac was a Civil War veteran. His daughter Anne gave the following account:
His parents died of malaria when he was about age 6. Various relatives took
the children and raised them. Isaac's uncle, William PIER, came from the east
and took Isaac to raise. He lived with his uncle till age 16 when he ran away
from home, joined the Union Army and was attached to Co. "H", 78th N.Y. Vol.
Inf., 3rd Brigade, 2nd Div., 12th Army Corps, which was later consolated into
the 20th Army Corps..
He fought in the second battle of Bull Run and at Chancellorsville, where he
was captured and held in Libby Prison two weeks. He either escaped or was
exchanged and subsequently fought in the battles of Lookout Mountain,
Missionary Ridge, Kenesaw Mountain, and Peach Tree Creek. At the latter, he
was wounded and hospitalized three months. He rejoined his outfit in October
1864, just before the "March to the Sea." At Savannah, GA, he received
seven (7) wounds and lost his right leg. He spent about a year in Central Park
Hospital, NY City, and was discharged from Co. "H", 102nd N.Y.
Volunteers, March 5, 1865.
Isaac is mentioned in the 1875 census of Harmony Twp. His daughter gave his
death date as 1912. The gravestone inscription reads: (1844-1914).
Alice was a daughter of Robert and Ann (Hale) Lopus.
Alice divorced Isaac when he returned to NY state from the west and
married his nephew, Jonathan.
Number 507 in the T.C. Carpenter Book. Page 6. Some records give the birth
places of his children as Gage, Erie, N.Y. and Wayne, Steuben, N.Y..
Died same date of spouse per the T.C. Carpenter Book. Page 6.
Some records give the birth places as Gage, Erie, N.Y. and Wayne,
Steuben, N.Y..
Some records give the birth places as Gage, Erie, N.Y. and Wayne,
Steuben, N.Y..
Some records give the birth places as Gage, Erie, N.Y. and Wayne,
Steuben, N.Y..
Some records give the birth places as Gage, Erie, N.Y. and Wayne,
Steuben, N.Y..Could Eina Pier be Emma Pier wife of William Byron Akers?
Went by Byron. He served in Company G, 6th Michigan Infantry. He enlisted
on 15 August 1861 out of Kalamzoo, MI at age 26. He was discharged in
Baltimore, Maryland on 10 October 1861 for disability. He is also shown as
being in the 8th Cavalry. He enlisted again as a sargent in Company G, 13th
Michigan Infantry on 5 December 1861 and was discharged again for disability on
16 September 1862.
Name hard to read in the 1870 Census of Allegan county, Cheshire Twp.
Known as "Little Kate" she died about age 3/12.