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Descendants of William Carpenter of Providence (Pawtuxet section, now in Cranston), Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, now part of Providence County, RI

Notes

1459. Pamelia Carpenter A Twin

Number 639 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America, 1901.
Family in notes.

1460. Cornelia Carpenter A Twin

Number 640 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America, 1901.
Family in notes.

Augustus Burdick

Father is probably Alpheus Burdick.

1461. Peter Roe Carpenter

Number 641 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America, 1901.
Family on page 234. A farmer. He had a farm at Katonah. Yet notes say that
he died at the home of his grand daughter Mrs. William M. Smith.

1463. Cornelius Carpenter

Number 643 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America, 1901.
Family in notes.

1467. Ann Augusta Carpenter

Number 643d in the book, The Carpenter Family in America, 1901.
She married and had one son.

Job Carpenter

Number 295 in the Carpenter Family in America, 1901 book.
Family on page 167. He was married twice to sisters. He was a farmer at
Purchase.

Thomas Carpenter

Number 955 in the Carpenter Family in America book by Daniel H. Carpenter,
1901. Family on page 279.
He was a cartman in New York and later removed to North Street in Harrisions
where he was a farmer.

E-MAIL:
From: "Jack Schoedinger"
To: "John Carpenter"
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 3:43 PM
Subject: Jeremiah Carpenter-20812 descendants & a few ancestors

> Thomas Carpenter b. 1816
>
> CENSUS: 1880 US Federal Census for Westchester County, New York, lists
> Thomas as residing next store to his second cousin Francis in the town of
> Harris on North Street. Thomas was interviewed as head of household, with 9
> other white residents. He is 64 years of age, a framer by trade and was born
> in New York, as were his parents.His wife Jane was 64 years of age and was
> born in New York, as were her parents. She had 1 children William 37 years
> old residing in the home with his Wife Julia Kipp age 38, and their two
> daughters Gertrude age 14 and Edith age 7 years. They also have three
> employees living in the home, Florence 16 years old of New York; Samuel
> Furman age 45 a widowed farm worker of New York; and Gilbert Peterson age 20
> a farm worker of New Yorkservent who were all born in New York, Fredrick F.
> age 10; Mary L. age 9; Howard F. age 7; Ernest W. age 4; and Alice L. age
> 1. They also had two servants Carrie E Barton age 18 born in New york and
> Christopher McCormack of Ireland. (Family History Film 1254946; Page
> 386.3000; Enumeration District 104, Image 0013, Enumeration Date 11 June
> 1880.)

3127. Elizabeth Carpenter

Number 1605 in the Carpenter Family in America book by Daniel H. Carpenter,
1901. Family in notes only.

3128. Mary Carpenter

Number 1606 in the Carpenter Family in America book by Daniel H. Carpenter,
1901.

1473. Augustus Carpenter

Number 644b in the book, The Carpenter Family in America, 1901.
No family listed. Augustus married (per the above book) and had a family
but the name of his wife and children and their whereabouts are unknown.

William (Bill) E. Montgomery of Tallmadge, OH provided information on
this family line in a letter (& E-Mail) 3 Mar. 1999.

CENSUS: 1850 US Census lists Augustus as head of household in the Yorktown,
Westchester County, NY rolls. Submitter did not give roll, page or ID number.
CENSUS: 1860 US Census lists Augustus as head of household in the Yorktown,
Westchester County, NY rolls. Submitter did not give roll, page or ID number.
CENSUS: 1870 US Census lists Augustus as head of household in the Yorktown,
Westchester County, NY rolls. Submitter did not give roll, page or ID number.

DEATH: The obituary of August Carpenter is in the "Democratic Register"
dated Saturday August 17, 1901 on page 3, column 9. It reads, "August 14, Age
83 Village August Carpenter - August Carpenter died at Daughter's house,
Mrs. Joseph Sarles, on spring Street last Wednesday. 83 years, son of Daniel
Carpenter and was born in Yorktown."
The obituary was redone in the same "Democratic Register" dated August 31, 1901
on page 2, column 9. It reads, "August Carpenter died august 14, 83 years,
23 Day. Surviving three sons: William, Oscar, Edgar, Mrs. Seth Fisher, Mrs. D.
Ashland, Mrs. J. C. Sarles."
BURIAL: Also buried in the same plot is Job Sherwood. No known
relationship to Augustus Carpenter.

Subj: AUGUSTUS (AUGUST) CARPENTER
Date: 99-02-26 15:41:14 EST
From: WEJEM@aol.com To: JRCRIN001
Mr. Carpenter:
Thank you for the quick response and the data that you sent. I think that we
have a match except I have the mother of Augustus-26308 as Elizabeth or Betsey
(1850 &1860 federal census) rather than Sally Tompkins-26305. I wonder if
there were two wives or do I have the wrong Augustus?
Sincerely, Bill Montgomery.

3133. Delephine Carpenter

RESIDENCE: New York City in 1900.

3135. William Carpenter

RESIDENCE: He was residing in Brooklyn, NY in 1900.

3136. Oscar Carpenter

RESIDENCE: He was residing in Ossining, NY in 1900. He died age 77.

3137. Seeley Carpenter

DEATH: Died at age 27.

3138. Edward or Edgar Carpenter

RESIDENCE: He was residing in Ossining, NY in 1900.

3139. Agnes Carpenter

DEATH: She died at age 33.

1476. Isaac Webber Carpenter

Number 650 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
Family on page 234. He was a farmer at Harrisons.

3140. Ziba Carpenter

Number 1229 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901. No family listed.

3141. Sarah Carpenter

Number 1230 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901. No family listed.

3142. Hannah Carpenter

Number 1231 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901. No family listed.

1477. Jasper Carpenter

Number 645 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
Family on page 234. See notes in book.

3143. 1 Carpenter

Number 1226 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
No family listed. Name not known.

3145. Robert Carpenter

Number 1227 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
No family listed. Except that he had a son named Joseph in 1868.

1478. David Carpenter

Number 651 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
Family on page 235. He was a builder.

3146. Mary Carpenter

Number 1232 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901. No family listed.

3147. Mathilda Carpenter

Number 1233 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901. No family listed.

3148. Nathan Carpenter

Number 1234 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901. No family listed.

3149. Ziba Carpenter

Number 1235 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901. No family listed.

1485. Enoch F. Carpenter

Number 654 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
Family on page 235.   At least one son.
He was a resident of Southold and Greenport, LI, where he owned property.
In 1853 he was in partnership with Calvin Wells and bought a patent for
punching copper and other sheet metals.

GENFORUM Querry:
Harriett N. Carpenter, b. ca 1836, d/o Enoch and Mary C. Carpenter, m. 19 Nov
1850 at Greenport, NY, Elijah Pierson Raynor.
Where/when did Harriett die, and
where was she buried? What was the date/place of her
birth? Her parents were buried
in Sterling Cemetery, Greenport, L. I., NY.
Posted by Stuart Howell on 10/31/2000   showell@ttlc.net

E-MAIL: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 From: Stuart Howell
Thanks very much, John, for responding to my inquiry about Harriet
Carpenter. I have seen THE CARPENTER FAMILY IN AMERICA, by Daniel
Hoagland Carpenter.
I wondered if Warren Carpenter wasn't Enoch's brother, rather than son,
for he was b. 24 Apr 1822, just five years after Enoch's birth. David
Carppenter's will, dated 8 Nov 1858, proved 4 Sept 1860, gives to wife,
Betty $200 per year, to son, Warren his home, etc., to son, Enoch F. and
his wife, property in Greenport, etc. Perhaps, there was a Warren
Carpenter, brother to Enoch, and also, a Warren, son of Enoch.
The 1850 U. S. Census for Southold Town (Greenport) listed harriet N.
Carpenter as 14 years old, living in the household of Enoch Carpenter,
33, merchant. Also in the household were Mary C. Carpenter, 29;
Margaret E. Carpenter, 5; Dennis Pratt, 18, clerk; Thomas Fordham, 17,
sailmaker. There was no Warren Carpenter listed, so I suspect he was
Enoch's brother, not his son.
On 19 November 1850, Elijah Pierson Raynor (my great grandfather), 17,
married in Greenport by Rev. John Reid, Pastor of the Church in
Franklinville, L.I., Harriet N. Carpenter, 14, of Greenport. I have a
copy of the marriage certificate.
Elijah Pierson Raynor was listed in the Southold Town Census of 1850 as
17 years old, a carpenter, living in the household of Richard Benjamin,
30 yrs. old, in Greenport.
In 1857, Enoch Carpenter was fire chief in Greenport. According to THE
SOUTHSIDE SIGNAL, Babylon, NY, Saturday, November 3, 1883, p.2, Enoch F.
Carpenter died 12 September 1883 in Newport, Clay County, Texas, and is
buried in Sterling Cemetery, Greenport, L.I. I saw his and his wife,
Mary's gravestones several years ago - while trying to determine where
their daughter, Harriet N. (Carpenter) Raynor was buried. Enoch F.
Carpenter's wife, Mary E. Carpenter, died 24 June 1873 (RIVERHEAD WEEKLY
NEWS).
Elijah Pierson Raynor had seven sons, the oldest of whom, Franklin
Carpenter Raynor, was born 26 Sept 1856. Two months later, 14 Nov 1856,
Elijah Pierson Raynor married Harriett N. Goulder (or Golder) of
Greenport, b. 1839 in Newtown, L.I., d/o James and Mary Goulder.
What I am trying to determine is what happened to Elijah Pierson
Raynor's first wife, Harriet N. (Carpenter) Raynor? Did she perhaps die
in childbirth with the birth on 26 Sept 1856 of Elijah Raynor's oldest
son, Franklin Carpenter Raynor? If so, perhaps he married less than two
months later, Harriett Goulder, on 14 Nov 1856, so his infant son would
have a mother. The 1860 U. S. Census for Greenport lists Elijah Raynor
as 28 (or 27) years old, ship's carpenter. Also in the household were
Harriet Raynor, 24, Franklin Raynor, 4, and Charles Raynor, 2.
I have been trying for years to determine when and where Harriet
(Carpenter) Raynor died, and where she is buried. I do know from Elijah
Raynor's biography that he didn't reside continuously in Greenport. He
was there first as a carpenter's apprentice, then he spent three years
in New York City and a year in Connecticut before returning to
Greenport; he later, moved to Westhampton Beach, L.I., where he was
born. That's where I am, John, with this one. I shall be grateful to
you for any suggestions or information you can offer to help me
clear up this puzzle.
Thanks for your interest.
Stuart Howell.

E-MAIL reply to Stuart by John R. Carpenter.
Dear Stuart,
A couple of questions ...
Does the 1850 marriage certificate give the bride's full name or partial name?
Check the dates. Could the zero be a six?
Do you have a copy of the 1850 census? What is the occupation of Harriet N.?
What is her relationship to the head of the house listed as? She may have been
working or visiting there. Could she be a niece? Was Enoch Carpenter a
Godparent?
14 Nov 1856 Harriet N. Goulder - B. 1839 in 1856 per your note.
                             and B. 1836 per the 1860 Census.
19 Nov 1850 Harriet N.         - B. 1836 per the 1850 Census.
My guess with all of this is the two Harriett N.s are the same person.
The 14 Nov is the actual marriage date and the 19 Nov is the filing or
certified date.
14 Nov 1850 is a Thursday.
14 Nov 1856 is a Friday. Friday marriages were common for working people.
19 Nov 1856 is a Wednesday.
Franklin Carpenter RAYNOR b. 26 Sep 1856
Franklin           RAYNOR b.        1856 - Age 4 in the 1860 Census.
These two children raise the odds of both wives being the same person. That the
parents married after Franklin was born makes me think that Franklin was
adopted by Elijah Pierson Raynor.
This brings up the question of the name Carpenter as a middle name. Was he
sired by a Carpenter? But By which one? In 1856 Harriet was age 20. Was it
by Warren - the son or uncle or were they the same person? Note their death
dates.
INDIVIDUAL DATA                RIN:26443.
----------------------------------------------------.
Name:Warren CARPENTER        Sex:M   ID No:.
Birth:Abt    1836            Place:,Westchester,NY.
  Chr:                        Place:.
Marr:                       Spouse:.
Death:29 Dec 1886             Place:St. Paul,,MN.
Burial:                        Place:.
Father:Enoch F. CARPENTER-26439 Mother:Mary C.-26442.
Notes ------------------------------------------------.
!Number 1236 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
No family listed. Warren was a straw-goods merchant at 63 Broadway, resided in
Brooklyn 1854-57. He died suddenly at St. Paul, MN. See New York Times.
NOT LISTED IN THE 1850 US CENSUS!!! Was he the brother rather than the son or
did he die before 1850 or out of the house?
end notes.
INDIVIDUAL DATA                RIN:26440.
----------------------------------------------.
Name:Warren CARPENTER        Sex:M   ID No:.
Birth:24 Apr 1822              Place:,Westchester,NY.
  Chr:                         Place:.
Marr:Abt    1842/1852        Spouse:Elizabeth R.-26441.
Marr:                        Spouse:.
Marr:                        Spouse:.
Death: Abt Nov 1886           Place:.
Burial:                         Place:.
Father:David CARPENTER-26250   Mother:Betsy CARPENTER-26298.
Notes --------------------------------------------.
!Number 655 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
Family on page 235. He was a resident of Southold, and for many years the
sexton of the Presbyterian Church of that place.
WILL: Will dated 1882 in which he bequeathes his entire estate to his wife, he
having no children. The will was proved 29 Nov. 1886. See Riverhead Records
of Wills, Vol. 21, p. 158.
end notes.
I hope these questions help. I have sent a copy of this message to John L.
Carpenter who has a greater understanding of the Carpenters in Long Island that
I.
Let me know what you think.
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA

MORE: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 from Stuart Howell.
Thank you very much, John, for the studied analysis of my Harriet
Carpenter puzzle.
Harriet Carpenter's name on the marriage certificate is handwritten in
ink: Harriet N. Carpenter. The date of the marriage is also
handwritten on the certificate "fifty" followed immediately by the
words, "joined Elijah Raynor...", so the date could not be fifty-six.
The handwriting is identical to that of the signature of John Reid,
Pastor the Church in Frnaklinville, so it is quite evident that he wrote
out and signed the marriage certificate.
The 1850 Southold Town Census for Greenport lists the family of Enoch
Carpenter as I presented it, with no relationship given for the children
(Harriet and Margaret), and no occupation for Harriet.
For many years, I was convinced that - as you suggested - Harriet
Carpenter and Harriett Goulder were one and the same person. It seemed
almost too coincidental that the names of both wives were Harriett N.,
and that both marriages occurred in November, one in 1850 and the other
in 1856. I thought perhaps Rev. John Reid mistakenly listed Harriet's
last name on the marriage certificate as Carpenter as that was Elijah
Raynor's occupation. I further thought that the marriage of Harriett
Goulder and Elijah Raynor could have occurred in 1850, rather than 1856;
maybe, the 0 looked like a 6. I later changed my view, however, when I
found that Elijah Raynor's oldest child, Franklin had Carpenter as a
middle name, and that he was born September 26, 1856, two months before
Elijah's marriage to harriett Goulder. Also, there was a Harriet
Carpenter in Greenport in 1850 (age 14) and Elijah was in Greenport at
the same time as a carpenter's apprentice (age 17). They seem a little
young to have married, perhaps, but quite possible.
According to Elijah Raynor's biography (written and published while he
was still alive), following three years of apprenticeship in
shipbuilding in Greenport, Elijah Pierson Raynor worked for eight months
in Connecticut, and then for two years in New York City. He returned to
Greenport for three years, and then went back to Westhampton Beach.
I am very well acquainted with eastern Long Island, John; I was born and
grew up there (Westhampton Beach). I now reside in New Hampshire. I
have spent many hours researching this family in Greenport, as well as
elsewhere in Southold and Southampton Towns, on Long Island. I even
checked out deaths in New York City during the 1850-1856 time period,
thinking Harriet may have died there. I tried looking in the local
newspaper (THE TRAVELLER-WATCHMAN) of the time, but unfortunately, the
editions during those years were destroyed in a fire at the newspaper
office, and I wasn't able to locate copies at other locations - although
I perhaps should have tried further. I thought Harriet's death may have
been listed in the newspaper.
Until I can find evidence to the contrary, I am continuing to go under
the supposition that Harriet Carpenter of Greenport was indeed married
to Elijah Pierson Raynor in 1850, that she probably died in childbirth
in September 1856, and Elijah Raynor then married less than two months
later so his infant would have a mother. That's all speculation, of
course, but unless I find out what happened to Harriet Carpenter,
presumed daughter of Enoch and Mary Carpenter, I'll continue to hold to
that theory.
I shall review further all the information you sent me via email, John,
and respond within the next couple of days.
I truly appreciate all the time and effort you have expended on this
issue. Stuart.
MORE:
Hi, John -
Just a few more comments after studying the information you sent
yesterday:
I don't have a copy of the 1850 Census for Greenport (Southold Town),
but I've seen it and copied the entry for Enoch Carpenter's household:
       Enoch Carpenter, 33, merchant
       Mary C. Carpenter, 29
       Margaret E. Carpenter, 5
       Harriet N. Carpenter, 14
       Dennis Pratt, 18, clerk
       Thomas Fordham, 17, sailmaker
I presume the last two persons were boarders.
Harriett Goulder was born 1839, according to her tombstone inscription
(her husband was still living at the time (1904), so I would think that
an accurate date. I recognize that her birthdate would have been
different based on U. S. Census data: 1860 (b. 1836), 1865 Southold Town
Census (b. 1837), 1870 (b. 1836), 1880 (b. 1838). So, she evidently was
born sometime between 1836 and 1839. Her death certificate gave only
her date of death, not a birthdate or age.
Elijah Pierson Raynor's biography, which appeared in PORTRAIT AND
BIOGRAPHICAL RECORD, SUFFOLK COUNTY, 1896, stated that Elijah Raynor
married 14 November 1856, Harriet Goulder, resident of Greenport and
native of Newtown. At the time this book was published, Elijah was 63
years old, so I assume the information was accurate. There is no
mistake that the year of his marriage to Harriet Carpenter on the
marriage certificate was 1850; the eighteen hundred was printed and the
fifty was written in longhand, no neumerals, so the 50 could not have
been mistaken for 56.
If Warren Carpenter was the son of Enoch and Mary Carpenter, and he was
born in 1836, why wasn't he included in Enoch's household in the 1850
Census? I think Warren was Enoch's brother, not his son.
These are my additional comments, John. If you have any further
thoughts regarding this puzzle, please let me know.
Again, thank you very much for taking the time and effort to respond so
thoughtfully to my inquiry.
Stuart.

3150. Warren Carpenter

Number 1236 in the book, The Carpenter Family in America by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
No family listed. Warren was a straw-goods merchant at 63 Broadway, resided in
Brooklyn 1854-57. He died suddenly at St. Paul, MN. See New York Times.
NOT LISTED IN THE 1850 US CENSUS!!! Was he the brother rather than the son or
did he die before 1850 or out of the house?

3152. Margaret E. Carpenter

In the 1850 Census as a 5 year old.
Southold Town is now Greenport.